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Nikon D700 & D300s are now officially discontinued

Nikon D700 and D300s are now officially listed as discontinued on Nikon's website.

The surprise here is the phase out of the D300s, because I have not received any reliable information about a potential replacement.

I believe the D700 will be available for sale for at least few more months after the D800 announcement.

Update: I was told that the Nikon D700 is no longer on display at the Nikon flagship store in Ginza.

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  • http://deanpeters.net drpeters

    Oh yay! Hopefully the D400 will come sooner than anticipated!

    • Rex

      Doubtful. The D7000 fills the gap quite nicely.

      • http://www.jbcmedia.co.uk/ John

        No it doesn’t.

        • http://haroldellis4444@gmail.com Harold Ellis

          D700s is coming. what i told ya?

          • Not Surprised

            You mean D700X for “extremely large number of useless pixels.”

            Or possibly a D700V for “video-added-only, suckers.”

            • http://haroldellis4444@gmail.com Harold Ellis

              trust me, D800 with its 36Mpix will at low ISOs deliver only goods. In controlled environment they will be good pixels.
              D700s will replace D700. More Mpix as sports-oriented D4 and better low light capabilities

        • paul

          +1

        • Graham

          +1

          Comparison of D300s versus D7000:
          Larger buffer, completely magnesium body, stronger glass on LCD (no silly plastic cover!), TIFF output, 51 sensors with 15 cross versus 39 with 9 cross, 45ms versus 53 ms shutter lag, exposure compensation up to 1 stop versus 1/2, 9 frame exposure bracketing versus 3, 10 pin connect and PC port, larger body which appeals to many pro (size and weight in hand). All around more pro!

          Amazing how well the D300s competes with the D7000 given its age!!!

          So not, the D7000 does not fill the gap nicely. Given the amount of times this has been explained, I am surprised people are still making such a comment!!!

          • Nicole

            Agree. D7000 lacks incredibly when it comes to low light sports/action photography! Not to mention that it lacks the more professional build that I want while underneath Friday night lights. We get all kinds of weather. I really think the D7000 is the D90 replacement and there is certainly a good market for the professional build/options of a DX cropped frame DSLR.

            I’ve been sticking $ back for a few years to make the jump to the D300s replacement, but my D90 died b4 the D400 came out. I tried the D7k, but was so disappointed that I returned it and am sitting on a credit. If I wanted or had $1100 to throw out there I’d spend it on glass, so I’ll wait. (But hopefully not long, b/c I feel like I’m missing an arm, lol.)

      • Andrew

        Not really, when most pros seeking a cropped sensor body want much high than 6 fps and much better noise reduction. Albeit, the d7000 has great noise reduction, there is much room for improvement past 2500 iso.

        • kyoshinikon

          I shoot fine up to ISO4000… The D300s was no better than the D90 in this area… However the Buffer and Fps are wanted as is the pc sync and 10pin (and more pro video features) other than that the D7000 is a really good camera with pro level features…

          • Steve

            I think it would be helpful to look at D300s sales before and since the release of the D7000. It may have been dropped simply because Nikon has sold its stock and sales volume doesn’t warrant a production run.

      • http://slrlounge.com Matthew Saville

        Really, the D7000 fills the gap quite nicely? I have just one question, to which only a truly honest answer will suffice: Are you saying this based on the spec sheet you read online, or have you actually shot with BOTH the D7000 and the D300s, in demanding fast-paced conditions?

        Plain and simple, for me: The D7000 DOES NOT replace the D300s. Not at all. Maybe it looks like it does on paper, but it really doesn’t when I’m out shooting…

        Just personal experience, of course.
        =Matt=

        • Anand

          I agree with Matt here.

          I was going to get a second body to go along with my D300s to be the D7000.

          I rented it…went on an actual shoot…and realized, that it was not made for me. It doesn’t have the buttons that the D300s has that allows you to shoot rather than worry about which menu I need to go into to change things. Lot more buttons…means shooting without taking your eye off the viewfinder.

        • Kon_head

          I dont have a definitive ans to ‘D7000 fills the gap’. I shoot both, and I shoot wildlife. I can’t say the D7000 is equal/worse/better than the D300s, but, my real world experience is, I keep on reaching for the D7000 rather than the D300s. The IQ of the D7000 is just more pleasing. :-)

        • http://galleries.jmphoto.us Jelani Newton

          I agreed, the D7000 would suffice is you were shooting a stationary object, but it just doesn’t “react” as fast as the D300/s. The iq maybe better than the D300/s but who cares if you fail to even get the shot because the moment is gone…

          • Calibrator

            “I agreed, the D7000 would suffice is you were shooting a stationary object”

            BS

            • http://AdairCreativeGroup.com Ron Adair

              “BS”

              BS

        • Richard

          Agreed!

          The D7k is a decent camera in its own right, but is plainly not the equal of or replacement for the D300s.

          When shooting the D7k I have to be very conscious of just what I expect to encounter to stay away from buffer overrun when shooting RAW. It has come out with the release of the 95 MB/s cards that the D7k does not benefit a great deal from these as the write speed of the camera appears to be slower than that. Nikon cheaped out on the buffer and not just on the size of it.

          Noise above ISO 3,200 could definitely stand some improvement and the button/controls are also not in the same category. And quick before I forget, the auto-bracketing when used for HDR is intentionally crippled by Nikon.

          I am not running the D7k into the ground. I like mine and bought it because of the sensor, but it is no D300s.

      • ImageX

        The D7000 has higher quality output over the D300S but it’s not even close to the build and usability of the pro level D300S. One would be sadly mistaken if they think otherwise. A D400 will be like a D300S with a D7000 sensor… but better. In otherwords, a much much better camera than the D7000 which replaces the D90 ONLY.

        • JED

          Or a D300s with the NEX 7 sensor… I hope, but not holding my breath…

        • http://AdairCreativeGroup.com Ron Adair

          +1

        • RondoX

          AGREED! I don’t know where people get of thinking the D7000 replaces the D300 line…

          I’ve shot with a D200 and a D300 for the last 8 years.
          I wouldn’t downgrade to a D7000 based on ergonomics alone!

          The D7000 replaced the D90.
          Nikon simply couldn’t replace the D90 with a D100.
          We already got one of ‘em.

    • http://None Bob

      If, as I fear, the discontinuation of the D300s means that Nikon intent to only making F-format cameras with a truly full-quality Pro-build in future, I will be very disappointed. The future of all imaging is on-line and HQ prints will soon become a minority sport. In retrospect it is hard to defend the demise of Kodak. D-format is and should remain more than adequate for my future needs. I have a substantial investment in D-format Nikon glass and will feel badly let down if there is no longer a Nikon Pro-quality body to match it. Nikon please give me a D400 and make it the best and fastest, D-format, camera-RAW machine, on the market.
      Bob (in the UK)

      • ano

        no

      • mikils

        It may be possible that the future for imaging will be on line, but I’d say people will still ask for picture taken with wide angle lens; therefore D format is not all we shall need in the future.

  • hojni

    These cameras are still listed as available on Nikon’s US site. Your screen capture is from the Japanese site. I believe these cameras were discontinued months ago in Japan due to the new battery terminal rules.

    • benS

      You may have a point there. But if that is the case why is the D3s not on the discontinued list. Is it using a compliant battery or am I missing something.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

      No, I check this website almost daily and two days ago the D700 and D300s were not listed as discontinued.

      • D3x

        D3x is showing discontinued in Jessops UK.

      • broxibear

        The D700 has been officially discontinued in the UK as of 25th of Jan 2012, just got that confirmed by one of the Nikon Pro Dealers.
        They also said they were expecting some announcements in the coming weeks about the replacement.

        • Richard

          The more I think about it, the more I wonder if the timing of the official announcement was timed to coincide with the last batch coming off the production line.

          Everyone is anticipating that there will be one last run of D3s bodies which, of course, raises the now old question of whether there will be a D700s using D3s technology when the D3s finishes production.

          • broxibear

            Hi Richard,
            I think the D3s, D3x and D700 production came to a stop some time ago. What you’re seeing in stock at the moment is the last ones which were back ordered.
            Nikon are done with the D3 series and D700 cameras, I know some people really wanted the D3s sensor in a D700 body but I don’t see it happening, those sensors aren’t capable of producing the type of video Nikon have decided to go with.

            • Richard

              Hi broxibear,

              There certainly will be some disappointed people if there is not one last run of D3s bodies.

              Yes, I know that video will be a requirement for any sort of D700 replacement, but, I think, such a body incorporating the D3s technology with video capability would be well received in the market and Nikon would be able to distinguish it from such a body with a D4 sensor in it even if that were a “better” way from a production standpoint. I guess the alternative is that Nikon could uses the sensors that do not quite measure up to the minimum standard for a D4, but are still not bad/defective. It would allow them to generate revenue with those sensors and fill a demand.

              Who knows? We will see, perhaps sometime soon.

              Cheers

      • broxibear

        Nikon D300s D700 Digital SLRs Still In Production ?…
        “Many reports on the internet have reported that the Nikon D300s and D700 have been discontinued due to a law in Japan, however Nikon UK has confirmed that the law does not addect the production and shipment of the products for sale outside of Japan. Here’s Nikon’s response to our question about the cameras:
        “The D300S and D700 have been discontinued in Japan as they no longer comply with Japan’s revised Electrical Appliance and Material Safety law (enacted on November 20, 2008 and revised in November of 2011). This law does not affect the production and shipment of the products for sale outside of Japan.””
        http://www.ephotozine.com/article/nikon-d300s-d700-digital-slrs-still-in-production-18346

        • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

          I call this BS, what do you expect them to say, they still have inventory to sell. Remember the many interviews before the Nikon 1 was announced?

          • Richard

            I certainly hope that the D300s and D700 are not still in production as that would mean that the introduction of their replacements is much further off than we have hoped. If the replacements are not already in production to build inventory for the introduction you have to wonder if there are problems in addition to the tsunami and floods that have caused the delay in beginning production.

  • KsOfW

    Huh. Would like to have seen the D700 stick around until a FF high ISO/ high f/sec replacement was announced. Wonder what will happen with the D3s in terms of availability and price.

  • http://Www.shortfingerphoto.com Nubz

    Strange, was the D3s discontinued yet? I see that they are finally available everywhere now. I thought the D700 was discontinued long ago. No rumors on the D300s replacement yet either. I think I will probably get the D3s in the end but will wait to see what the D800 has to offer.

    • http://photography.erfon.com erfon

      i asked nikon about this at CES (i’m press). they told me the d3s was definitely discontinued but they would keep selling them until their “significant stock” has depleted.

      • Ken Elliott

        > “they would keep selling them until their “significant stock” has depleted.”

        I look forward the them going on sale.

  • http://mike.heller.ca/blog Mike

    I sure hope the D800 is announced in a couple of weeks, I’m ready for a new body.

    • http://www.russbarnes.co.uk RussB

      That 7th Feb date had better not be another Coolpix announcement – there doesn’t seem to be much rhetoric on here about that date and I’m getting worried it’s just another non-event coming up after all. The lead up to the D4 was loaded with all sorts of stuff – we’re meant to be less than 2 weeks to go and no new images or data to report for the D800?????????

      • WoutK89

        No new news is good news. It means the previous rumors are still true. Some people are so hard to please.

      • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

        I think the Coolpix cameras will be announced on a separate event/date.

  • http://brother7.net/ brother7

    I have a question re: anti-aliasing filters…

    If there are 2 versions of the D800, one with AA filter and one without, which would you buy?

    If you choose the one without (which will be more expensive), at what price differential would you say “this is too expensive. Just gimme one with the AA filter”?

    • Emerald

      I have a question too (perhaps it’s answered somewhere on NR already, so sorry it is): what does the AA filter do? I fell asleep three times before the end of the first para on Wikipedia…

      • http://ckbren.com CKbren

        The AA filter removes moire. Usually found in areas with tight lines or patterns. Like a suit or a striped shirt. The downside is that it smooths over a lot of micro-detail.

        I could be wrong but i believe that as the resolution of a camera increases the need for an AA filter gets less and less as the patterns and lines are able to be resolved fully. (The new phase one backs have no moire to be found and dont have an AA filter).

        • St.
          • shadowfoto

            well, 24mp of NEX-7 would transform to 48mp FX (just glue two sensors together), and 36mp is 2*18mp which is in canon’s recent cameras that just doesn’t have problems with moire.

            • WoutK89

              you’re wrong. 24MP DX is x2.25 for FF, so you get a 54MP sensor. Also, your comparison to Canon doesnt make sense. The 18MP cameras still have an aa-filter, so of course there should be no moire.

          • LGO

            Thanks for the link. Glad to know that the new version of the Lightroom has a tool that may help address this problem.

            The 16mp sensor on the NEX-5N should help give an indication as to how the rumored FX-upscaled 36mp sensor of the D800 will perform. With a weak AA filter, I am able to get more details with the NEX-5N than with my D7000 using the same Nikkor lens. I expect that Nikon can equal or surpass Sony in this regard so even with an AA filter on the 36mp sensor, the D800 should still be very good in acuity.

            The D800 without the AA filter will likely be useful for certain specialized application where moire will be less of a problem, e.g., nature landscape photography. Having a lower pixel density than the NEX-7, moire will likely not occur as frequently as the NEX-7 and with new version of the Lightroom and possibly Photoshop having a moire filter, could now be addressed if needed.

            To maximize the D800 without an AA filter though, I suspect that nothing but the best lenses would be needed. I would also pay close attention on the effects of shooting wide-open with such lenses on a D800 without the AA filter.

          • photdog

            It was said, that a 36MP D800 rather aims for studio applications, where of course textile structures appear pretty often. At the same time some more detail, which can be achieved without AA could be of advantage in the competition with MF otherwise being used in studios.
            Given the considerable mark up for the non AA version of the D800 and LR revealing new methods to correct moiré, could it be that this D800 version has some accordingly algorithms already build in the cam?

            • St.

              Integrated algorithms against Moire would be awesome. But I guess we’ll see soon. If there are such, they will be announced bold and underlined.

      • Captain Howdy

        About AA filters and such…take a quick look at this – moire and aliasing is a huge issue when using the 5DMii for video.

        http://www.mosaicengineering.com/products/vaf-5d2/vaf-5d2-main.html

        The new gen of HDSLR’s have taken away a lot of it.

    • http://ckbren.com CKbren

      If i were in the market, I would go for the one without the AA filter. Id pay about $500 more for it. Otherwise I might as well send the cheaper version off to a specialist to have it removed for about the same price.

      • http://www.jpgmag.com/people/markwjr Mark

        I agree. And the AA filter-less D800 MUST have ZERO signs of moiré OR aliasing if their video feature is going to work whatsoever. You may be able to take moiré out of photos, but I don’t think you can in videos. And, with Nikon clearly trying to rival the 5DIII with video (night-time, high-speed video shot with motorbikes), the AA filter-less version must be something not to be trifled with.

        Mark

      • LeGO

        Just removing the AA filter will not work unless an adjustment is also made on the optics to sensor distance is made. The conversion process is not as easy as simply removing the AA filter.

        • http://www.novumlucis.com Dr SCSI

          @LeGo, I have heard that the conversion process involves removing the AA filter and then adding back a sheet of high quality optical glass over the sensor.

          • LeGO

            Adding another glass could present its own problems but that could still be another way. Different shops have different techniques.

        • Anonee

          You were LGO, now LeGO. Have fun :)

    • http://www.inmagine.ca inmagine

      when it costs more than the price to remove the aa filter… there are lots of 3rd party companies that will do it for you for a few hundred dollars. You can have the aa filter removed from pretty much any camera.

  • http://www.MartinWongPhotography.com Martin

    Sooooon……..

  • norman

    Shoo-be-doo-be-doo-wop.

  • Peter

    Eh, D700 discontinued?! From what we know – or think to know – the D800′s specs don’t look like it’s the D700′s successor. (I don’t get Nikon’s name policy btw…)

    From what I got, the D800 will replace D3x (489574895 megapixel sensor etc) and a – not yet rumored let alone announced – replacement for D700 AND another for D300s…. eeeh?!

    • sade

      That’s exactly my point.
      Hopefully nikon introduces two mid-level FF. One which hi-res sensor and the other with D3s sensor and the same focusing system as D4.

    • Ken Elliott

      The D800 replaces the Canon 5D MkII, not the D700. The D800 is a small-body pro studio/landscape camera, and there is no such camera in the current Nikon line up. It fills a gap that Canon had almost to themselves.

      I have a difficult time believing that Nikon would dump the D700 unless they have a replacement in the pipeline. I’d think they would use the D4 sensor as a way to make use of an existing sensor, but that might mean a 3-6 month delay to allow the spike in D4 sales to settle. But if they felt the D700 cost them too many D3 sales, they might choose to use the D3s sensor. I’d love to hear the debate at Nikon HQ. We might see a single body replace both the D300 and D700.

      • WoutK89

        The delay is to produce significant enough sensors to supply the D4 sales, not because they would be the same camera (take ‘same’ with a pinch of salt). They will first produce the flagship camera to after allow lower end sales to profit of existing technology. They would indeed shoot themselves in the foot if they release them together and create a sensor shortage.

  • Funduro

    How will I break the news to my beloved D300s ? Maybe I’ll tell her while cleaning her sensor.

    • Jim

      Wouldn’t that be like breaking up with someone.. while they’re at the dentist?

      • Twoomy

        LOL!

      • Rob

        I was thinking more like while getting a colonoscopy based on the level of vulnerability.

  • sictransit

    Could there be a D400 launched with a D800? The semi-pro category all in one release?

    • http://www.jpgmag.com/people/markwjr Mark

      95%, no.

      Mark

  • dymz

    Shows how smart Nikon is. Idiots they are to discontinue the D700.

    Don’t know why they don’t keep on producing it at a lower price point as photographers would buy it. It could be a cheap entry level FF camera.

    • WoutK89

      it takes space in their factories that they , in my eyes, most likely assigned after the disasters to work for the newer cams. All D700 we see now are probably still leftover stock.

      • JED

        Exactly. It would have made little sense to rebuild the assembly lines for the old cameras that are about to be replaced.

    • http://www.unknownframes.com Unknown Frames

      the D700 is no entry level camera and based on your logic the D40 should of been kept in production for people in a real tight economic situation. (Not to mention the waste of resource that would be)

    • Mike

      The D700 already IS a cheap entry level full-frame camera…

  • benS

    OMG ! 3 cameras discontinued ? Are there 2 new DSLRS going to be announced ?

    I guess Nikon is releasing all those products that have been delayed due to the earthquake and floods.

    Go NIKON !

    • benS

      oops , i meant 2 cameras discontinued

  • http://www.1984studios.com Mat

    OH SNAP! That would be awesome! But Im pretty sure the D7000 was the replacement. :(

    • Andrew Gregg

      I do not believe the d7000 could be considered the d300s successor. I do not believe Nikon would reduce the fps of its flagship cropped body buy such a significant level. I believe Nikon will a sony a77 competitor, with similar specs to the d4 (excluding high iso range) but in a crop sensor body.

      • Andrew

        *will release

    • Don

      Some of you kill me. Some of you look only at the mps. It’s not opinion, it’s just the facts. The D7000 was not the D300s replacement. Look at the tiny byffer and you will know that is true. The D7000 replaced the D90, pure and simple. The D800 is the replacement for the D700. Accept it and move on. Where do you get such crazy logic?

      • Roberto

        36 Mpix replace 12 Mpix?

        • http://www.novumlucis.com Dr SCSI

          @Roberto, “36 Mpix replace 12 Mpix?”…. why not?
          How about two versions of the D800, one with 36 Mpix, one with 16-21 Mpix? 36Mpix, sans AA filter. 16-21 Mpix, retains AA filter. Done. What about all of the previous conflicting reports about the Mpix the D800 would have? Could it be that there is more than one truth?

          • WoutK89

            that is just a case of wishful thinking

  • http://facebook.com/bybrianh Brian

    Here’s a really crazy thought: Maybe the D400 will be the next entry level FX? If they put that much tech into the D7000 I really wonder what they will do with the D400. Maybe in the end, the D400 will be the D700′s replacement.

    Who knows?

    • Twoomy

      We’ll all know in less than two weeks… hopefully!

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/markdstump/ Mark Stump

    Yes Yes Yes!

  • bibo

    Does anyone think that D400 could be FF at around 2000$? There is around 1000$ difference between upper end DX and the D700.
    If D400 is DX then what would be the D7100 (should be available by end of 2012)?
    Nikon decided to differentiate between D3 series and D800 but with D7000 and D300s the gap is very narrow.
    It makes sense to have 3 series of DX cameras D3100/D5100/D7000 and another 3 for FF: D400/D800/D4

    • WoutK89

      that means the D7000 was a bridge camera, to put already some of the D300s features in a reasonably priced DX to make the D7100 THE D300s’ successor.

    • Carsten

      Why is everyone so keen on a cheap FX camera? If a D700/800 is too expensive, go with DX.

      It is so ridiculous to fight about $1000 for a camera body when you set this into relation with the glass you will need for it.

      Hope there will be a D400 in the next months, ideally with the AF-system of the D4 and an Expeed 3 for faster frame-rates. Really like how the D300s handle, don’t care much about MPs

      • WoutK89

        But if you look at the marketing side of it all, if you leave a gap in prices in your line up, people will not buy far below their budget, and above their budget is not an option as well. So filling this gap would (or could) create more sales.

        • http://www.novumlucis.com Dr SCSI

          @WoutK89, as far as filling price gaps in the product lineup go, Nikon does this very nicely with Kit lens options.
          @Carsten +100, many DX owners (obviously not all) think FX will give them the Holy Grail, but they can’t even explain exposure, aperature, FOV, DoF, FEC, and tons of other stuff. I find it funny how they DEMAND lower priced FX cameras to fit their budget, but yet they can’t afford the glass required to take advantage of the FX sensor. Interesting enough, you don’t see the hoards of FX owners demanding lower priced medium format systems like the Pentax 645D or the Hasselblad H4D series; although I definitely wouldn’t mind a digital medium format system for under $10K with lens.

          • WoutK89

            for all I know kit lens options are usually done by the stores themselves, not by Nikon. Unless you speak of the lower entry level cameras (18-55, 55-200 or 55-300) and the D7000 with 18-105VR

          • WoutK89

            Regarding your FX story, isnt it a me too kind of thing? You look better carrying an FX camera. I dont need FX, most I do is tele work. So the extra free reach is welcome.

            • http://Www.novumlucis.com Dr SCSI

              @woutk89, you are right, there is a lot to be said for keeping up with the Jones’. As for kit lens, at the time I bought my D300 several years ago, there were two kit options available and if my memory serves me correctly Nikon did have a D700 kit with the 24-120 f4 when it (the lens) came out. But as you pointed out, normally the FX pro stuff doesn’t come in a kit with lens. +1 on the benefits of cropped sensor for telephoto work. What do you think of the Nikon 1 with a FT1 lens adapter and a FX lens like the 400 f/2.8?? I have this lens for birdy work, and I have been intrigued by that combo. But I suspect I will be better served with 36MP D800; what do you think?

            • Richard

              @Dr SCSI

              Take a look at this article about the 400mm f2.8 on the V1 (with 2x TC and adapter) resulting in an effective focal length of 2160mm!

              http://nikonrumors.com/2012/01/17/some-nikon-v1-ft-1-tc-2-0x-400mm-f2-8-fun-2160mm.aspx/comment-page-1/

              There was an earlier article about a Celestron telescope adapted for an effective focal length of 5400mm.

              Somewhere or other I think I saw a posting about a 600mm f4 with a TC and adapter on the V1.

              It could be very interesting.

              Have fun!

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilovewalkman/ Abhinav

    Even D90 is discontinued in Japan ,but its still available in India with nikon warranty :P

  • Thai Tom

    D800 & D400 will be announced at the same time…..yayyyy

  • Mark

    Good! I wanna FUCKING BUY ONE for less than the Skiddly billions they’re selling for now! BE the $1800 dollars used NOW!

  • MWAC

    Can I get a price drop on a D700 now???

  • http://slrlounge.com Matthew Saville

    I just took my D700 in for a shutter replacement (160,000 clicks) and apparently D700 parts are on backorder but expected soon.

    Hopefully used D700′s will get cheaper and cheaper!

    =Matt=

    • http://www.querdenker-gigapixel.de/eng/index.htm Daniel Richter

      only 160,000 clicks oO

      my good old D300 has it’s shutter replaced by around 350,000… I know it was built only for 150,000 but it lasts more than double the amount

      • WoutK89

        it is not built for, but has been tested to last on average 150000 clicks

  • http://slrlounge.com Matthew Saville

    BTW, it seems like TONS of people are subscribing to the belief that the D400 will also be FX. I just don’t see that happening. Yeah, the D7000 is great and yeah, it encroaches on the D300s’ market a LITTLE. But Nikon still isn’t going to leave that camera class completely out in the cold. The Canon 7D is too good of a “crop-sensor flagship” for Nikon to convince themselves that the D7000 is good enough. Heck, even the Canon 60D has a couple of things that are better than the D7000.

    So no, I don’t think this is the generation for a $2K FX body. And yes, I do think the D400 is going to be DX; either with the D7000′s sensor or with Sony’s new 24 MP DX sensor.

    Just guessing, though. That’s what this website is for, right?
    =Matt=

    • http://www.jpgmag.com/people/markwjr Mark

      I absolutely agree that the D400 will not be FX. I honestly can’t see Nikon introducing a consumer FX until they can put the D3 sensor in it. And I do think they will do so. I just can’t see Nikon putting a top-end sensor in a consumer body for no reason. Why would they do that, and take money from their top dogs? So, until the D3 sensor is “old technology”, I can’t see this happening. Especially when they just announced the D4, and will announce the D800 shortly. They will reap the benefits from them, then when they feel they have sufficiently got enough money from the line, release a consumer FX. With the D3 sensor.

      The D4 will be a DX, if for no other reason, because the D7k simply isn’t worthy of the DX flagship name. If they’re going to introduce a flagship, it will be a successor to a previous flagship, or a new line. They won’t make an existing line INTO a flagship line. That’s just how these things work.

      You don’t have to worry about MPs, and ISOs, and FPSs. You just have to focus on logic. And the logic states that the D400 will be a DX camera. If it weren’t, the D300s would have been discontinued waay before now. And, I honestly hope it is DX. As much as I love my D300s, it’s due for a successor. Everyone knows it, and everyone wants it. And everyone wants it to be DX, besides the people who want FX just to have FX, and have no idea how to fully utilize it, and probably don’t want to shell out the cash for it. I honestly believe there is a void between DX and FX for a reason. And I can’t see that going away any time soon.

      Mark

      • John Richardson

        +1

      • WoutK89

        when the D3 sensor is old technology? It is old technology already. And your logic about old being cheaper doesnt make sense, because to keep an outdated sensor in produdtion will cost more than to ‘cripple’ a current one in performance by software and surrounding hardware.

      • http://dundermifflin.com dwight shrute

        The D4 will be DX? The D4 has already been announced and it is FX.

      • http://www.bythom.com Thom Hogan

        I actually received a reasonably credible “D400 will be FX” tip quite some time ago. Problem is, I couldn’t verify the tipster or his assertions. I also don’t believe that Nikon would do that for reasons I’ll get to in a moment.

        Strategically, Nikon could go either way. Either you build something that’s pro-level (especially buffer) that’s DX, or you start rounding out the FX line as being a full prosumer-to-pro line. The introduction of the Nikon 1 doesn’t really give us any help in deciphering where Nikon is going at the top end, unfortunately, but they do now have three formats: CX, DX, and FX. Even with those three formats there are still gaps and problems, so eventually they’ll have to fill those in. The question is whether now is the time that we see some significant shifting happening because of the three formats.

        The problem I see, however, is not strategic, it’s financial. The only way a D400 is FX at anything close to the D300s price is if Nikon has an inexpensive sensor choice. I see none available, with the only one that might come close being the D3/D700 sensor.

        I published an article about how Nikon prices last year. It’s almost on a perfect curve. What’s now currently missing is anything between US$1200 and US$5400 on that curve. If you assume that a D800 is US$3000-3600, then what’s missing is something that’s US$1800-2200. At anything under US$2000, a D400 almost has to be DX. Even at US$2200, Nikon would be giving up their usual product margin to produce an FX body. (Before anyone jumps in and tells me that the D700 hit that level, yes, it did, but I also fail to see how Amazon made any money at that price. As far as I know, Nikon never dropped their price to dealers enough to justify some of the low prices we saw. Moreover, Nikon wouldn’t START a product cycle with compromised product margins.)

        • http://www.1984studios.com Mat

          I think its funny everyone talks about gaps, Nikon goes for years without filling them. We all know this with their lens line. As much as I want a D400, its a ways off from an announcement. Only because the D7000.

  • http://www.jpgmag.com/people/markwjr Mark

    Hmm..I’m having a bit of trouble deciding what Nikon will do with their naming system shortly. They’ve used ALOT of the numbers.

    Dx (1-4) used for their flagship. No competition there, just keep going up.
    Dxxx for their prosumer FX
    Dxx AND Dxxxx for both their entry-level and mid-DX.

    So, The D300s will go to the D400. But, that’s encroaching on the D700, which is already used. The D700 is going into a D800, which is fine, but encroaching on the Dxxxx line (by amount of numbers, not ACTUAL number used). The D5100 really is at the top of it’s peak now. It can BARELY go any higher, to a D6000, but that’s SEVERELY encroaching on the D7000 name. So, they can really only add to the hundreds. (D5200, etc). But, that doesn’t really seem impressive, and kind of implies a minor upgrade to a degree. The same is for the D3000 line. D4000 is top, then it’s encroaching on the D5000.

    So, we’ve had:
    D1, 2, 3, 4, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100, 200, 300, (400), 700, (800), 3000, 3100, 5000, 5100, 7000.

    Each with spin-offs. (striked are discontinued.)

    So, the line we’re working with are the D4, D3100, D5100, D7000, D800, and D400. With all the other numbers used, I don’t really see where they can go after too much longer..Ideas?

    Mark

    • St.

      They can simply go with:
      FX1
      FX10
      FX100
      DX1
      DX10
      DX100
      DX1000
      as 1 will be the pro and adding a zero will be class down.
      They can add CX for the new upcoming Nikon 1 cameras
      CX1
      CX10
      CX100, etc.

      • St.

        sorry for the doubling – my browser froze and then didn’t show my post – so I thought it wasn’t saved.
        Admin, you can delete one of those if you want.

    • St.

      They could use FX, DX and CX and numbers – 1 for the pro, and adding a zero will be step down, e.g.:
      FX1, FX10, FX100…
      DX1, DX10, DX100, DX1000…
      CX1, CX10, CX100…

      and then just replacing 1 with the next number

    • PeterO

      Sure – they could start using additional letters like the old FM’s, so the flagships would become DA1, the Dxxx series becomes the DB1 etc.

      • PeterO

        Hey St. I like your idea about model numbers

        • St.

          @ PeterO:
          Thanks!
          I think those letters are already reserved for Nikon and they also represent what size sensor it is inside. So no confusing anymore.
          Plus, they have plenty of space until they reach the “9″ – somewhere 20 years ahead…

          • PeterO

            I nominate St. as Nikon’s next VP of numeration :-)

    • WoutK89

      I dont get your post much. They still have a lot of numbers open! D400, D500, D600 and D800, D900, which have been so far on a 4 year cycle or so. which means at least 8 more years of numbers.
      Then why does a 100 increase mean a slight improvement? The D5000 went to the D5100 (12MP to 16MP, improvement to the screen and so on). Same goes for the D3100 (10MP OLD sensor to 14MP newly developed sensor, the other differences I dont know by heart). And for customers it doesnt matter what number there is (D3200 or D4000 for instance), as long as it shows it is newer = higher number, they will buy it. Seriously, if they keep using the 100 increments, they have at least 8 more years till they reach 4000 and 6000, and the D7000 will have become D7400/D7500 at best. You worry too much.

      • wublili

        100 increament in D5100 and D3100 doesn’t means small update. It just is the new way of naming the lower end cameras. Nikon had to change the naming policy since they simply ran out of numbers (40,50,60,70,80 and 90 are used already). The next alternative would have been using something like D61 and D91.

        With the new naming policy the lower end cameras has very clear classification for years to come. Nikon doesn’t need to worry about it anymore.

        The next lower end cameras will be 7100, 5200 and 3200
        After that comes 7200, 5300 and 3300
        and so on…

        so we will see 7900 in year 2028 if they keep their 2 year cycle for 7 series (previously 70, 80 and 90).

        Note that there is still room for 9 series to come (D9000 and so on) if necessary. 4000, 6000 and 8000 will not be likely to be used to make things more clear (until somewhere around 2030). 1000 could be reserved for some dirty cheap (almost point and shoot) DX camera. (that’s why they put current low end model to 3 series instead of 1 series).

        • WoutK89

          I didnt say a 100 increment means small update, Mark implied this. I said exactly the same as you did, Mark is worrying about something that is no worry for a lot of years to come.

          And you are correct, they leave the space below 3000 series in case they decide to produce an even lower end series to what already exists.

          • PeterO

            Personally, from a marketing point of view, I find the numeration becoming very cumbersome. Clarity is very important when trying to differentiate products. As well, it seems that we have entered the “X” generation of naming products. Of course all of this debating is just for fun until the models actually come out. Bring it on Nikon.

            • wublili

              I find the current naming very logical now that we got rid of double digit series which was previously misplaced in between pro and semi-pro products.

              Now we got more like what it should be.

              Although, in future there will be problem with the semi-pro products, aka the triple digit cameras. I wonder how will Nikon fix that problem. I very much doubt that they would start using 810 and so on..

              Possible next generation of pro bodies in 4 years will bring changes to the naming again. What they will be is of course unknown… Many things can happen during that time.

          • wublili

            Yeah, I pretty much replied to wrong post. :) But anyways, it was just follow up to the already discussed thing.

  • DX2FX

    Don’t understand the hurry to list them discontinued while their replacement models are not even announced, let alone available.

    • Doug

      Which proves that the time is coming

  • Jon Porter

    The introduction of the D400, or whatever Nikon’s next $1,800 camera is called, is going to be interesting. It will enter the market squeezed in between the cost of used and new D700 bodies. Assuming clean D700s can be picked up for around $1,500 following availability of the D800 and the resulting flow of D700s into the used market, plus price reductions on the remaining stock of new D700s, and some percentage of DX users will forgo the D400 and move to FX. At any rate, the D400 will show how much life is left in the high-end DX market.

    • Tom

      I don’t think there is much life left in the “high end” DX market. With the new sensors coming out, it seems like they are possibly (unlikely, but possible) position to use some of the less sensitive FX chips (say some of the 12.1MP) in a lower trim than D800.

      If the D800 is in fact 3X.X MP, it’s rather over kill. I could see them slipping a low range FX to kill off the “high end” DX. They’d make up for it in lens sales I would think.

  • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

    Update: I was told that the Nikon D700 is no longer on display at the Nikon flagship store in Ginza.

    • studio460

      Interesting. Since the D800 wouldn’t generally be considered a D700 replacement, doesn’t this make you think that there’s a D700 replacement (moderate pixel-count; good sensitivity) nearing that we simply haven’t heard about?

      • NoFunBen

        there is not d300s replacement yet and it has been a year (a bad year) but this would suggest nikon may wait some time before rolling out a replacement for any segment.
        also staggering your new FX cameras make since, if we get 3 new FX cameras now and we have to wait 3 years before we get 3 more new ones we may have been better off with one new one each year so we dont wait so long between new models.

      • http://www.inmagine.ca inmagine

        I doubt they will bring out a lower pixel count d700 replacement… the d700 was not good for nikon for the same reasons we all loved it… it ate up d3 sales. I don’t think they expected it to take up so much market share, and the Dx line is where the highest profits are. That is why the new D800 line is being differentiated from the D4… they do not want that to happen again!

        • WoutK89

          haha, high profits on the D’x’ series, don’t think so. And your D700 eats D3 sales should have meant no one wanted a D3s (it is just a slightly improved D700 right? :P ).

        • JorPet

          The D700 was a boon for Nikon and they know it better than anyone else. A lot of people who are not pro’s who wanted to go to FX, but wouldn’t pay the price for a D3 (describes me exactly) bought D700′s. Then, instead of buying a couple of DX lenses in the $5-700 range we went out out bought the f2.8 zooms at a combined price of over $6,000. Cha-ching, Nikon scores big.

          For every body Nikon can get out there, they sell and average of 3-5 lenses. The more FX bodies they could get out there the more FX glass they could sell. I think they thought out that strategy pretty well.

      • http://www.amanochocolate.com Art

        Yea. Nikon will start their double-o series (as opposed to the double-u series). The D800 will be a brand new camera with its unique target market. The real replacement for the d700 is going to be the first with the new naming convention and will be called the D-007

  • Doug

    I gonna remember the D700 for the rest of my life, i had to sell mine because i had no money left about a year ago, now this time im back and prepared to get the new d800, i just wish that sometime in the future i can buy an old but still functional d700 just to keep for me as a good old times treasure, REST IN PEACE D700.

  • http://www.camerasandcuisines.com Brian

    The D700 will never be ‘discontinued’. It’s going to be a cult classic for a long time to come!

    • vinman

      I agree. I find it a little odd from a marketing standpoint that a camera that’s already prone to sell-outs would be publicly outed as “discontinued” before the replacement is even announced – much less the reality that it won’t be available in the short term after announcement and who knows how long term during an Olympics year (not that the D800 will be a hot sport shooter body). Plus, even a $3000(usd) D800 leaves an ever growing gap between DX and FX bodies when tech trends dictate the reverse should be occurring. It leaves me wondering if there will be a $1500-2000 FX body release soon. I would have thought Nikon would’ve given us an updated D700 (D700s?) in that range with the specs rumored for the D800. Hopefully they’ll put us out of our misery very soon so we can start the unpleasant budgeting process!!

      • http://www.amanochocolate.com Art

        Nikon could be running low on stock due to the problems at Sendei. It may not have made sense to do another run with the D800 right around the corner.

        • WoutK89

          +1, and also, this discontinuation is so far Japan only…

  • st22

    I don’t think that Nikon is going to get rid of their pro-sumer DX camera. Some people want that crop factor without lowering their pixel count in crop mode. Also, I own both the d300s and the d7000, while the d7000 does produce some amazing pictures, it does not have the buffer and more importantly the same body build as the d300s. Performance wise they are very very close. Still, there needs to be a replacement…..this is my thought….D4 D800 D700s D400, etc…. d700s would add video and raise pixel count to 16-24…better ISO performance…that would be my dream camera for weddings…I love my D3s and can’t wait for my D4.

  • Steve Starr

    Odd they haven’t listed the D3s or the D3x as discontinued with the D4 already announced?

    Seems the D700 would stay off the discontinued list since no replacement has been yet announced for it unlike the D4.

  • jdsl
  • http://joelc.com.au Joel C

    It has beginned.

  • http://kinimatosfaira.blogspot.com Chrisss

    I am | still waiting for that D400 !!!!

  • Tamerlane

    Remember, the batteries of D700 doesn’t fulfill the new requirements of japanese standards. Is very logical that japan Nikon website shows it as “discontinued”.

  • http://www.pjskyman.fr PJ Skyman

    Hey, wake up ! D300s and D700 are now discontinued… ON THE JAPAN WEBSITE, because of a recent law ! For the rest of the world, these two products are always available (at least Nikon US, Nikon FR).

    • WoutK89

      +1, even the D90 is still not listed as discontinued on this website:

      http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/discontinue/index.htm

    • Chris P

      If the D700 has been discontinued then it becomes even clearer that Nikon think that they did lose a lot of D3 sales by introducing it. I think that is completely wrong, I would never have moved to FX if the D3 was the only camera available, I would have stayed with a DX D300. Now they think, and in this they are absolutely correct, that unless they discontinue the D700 a lot of photographers are going to buy that at £1,800 in preference to a 35Mp video centric D800 at £3,000.

      • WoutK89

        Wrong, the D700 was so far only discontinued in Japan. So your story has no ground for the rest of the world. This reaction has been brought sooooo many times, it is getting boring. Summarized – people need D3, will buy D3, not going for D700 anyway…

  • Martin

    In Germany, the D700 is available only in 5 of 38 online stores that list the camera.

    But, the D7000 is available only at 1 of 35. So maybe this shortage is rather caused by the flooding than a possible replacement…

    • WoutK89

      +1 on the flood, a few stores in Holland have that as reason

  • Anonymous Maximus

    I t H a s B e g u n !

    For D800, D800E & possibly D400.

  • Anonymous Maximus

    Only 12 Days Left for the D800 & D800E.

    Can we have a countdown on NR please.

  • Gareth

    Yesterday one of the UKs largest on line retailers, Warehouse Express, stopped listing the D700 & D3s.
    My D700 is due in at my local independant dealer this week :-)

  • peterw

    lets say a thank you to these two great camera’s.
    I have both, and they fullfil more than 100% of my needs…
    hopefully years to come… :)

    however, even more improved low light characteristics is always welcome…

  • neversink

    Nikon D7000 debate. Ridiculous.

    I shoot on assignment all the time. I use three cameras most of the time: D3s, D700 and D7000. Kept the D7000 as back up but find I have been using it more and more. The D7000 is superb. It is the best DX camera out there today. How do I know??? My clients love my D7000 shots as much as the love my photos from the D3s and D700. In fact, they can’t even tell the difference. I don’t even understand this debate. The D7000 is a different animal than the D300. The number of 0′s means nothing….. Ciao….

    • http://richardcromptonphotography.com RichM0nster

      Totally agree, D7000 is an awesome camera. The only downsides for me are so easily got around, they aren’t really a problem at all. a) can’t use my MC-36 remote cord b) no plug in flash sync in case of total wireless flash sync failure (only happened once, but once is enough!)

      • neversink

        I bought D7000 as a fun camera, like people buy P&S models. this is a camera I always take on personal adventures like hikes. (I use a Canon S90 for my P&S with a housing for water sports for fun also, but have actually sold some pics from the S90,,, =Go figure!!!!!)

        The more I shot with the D7000 and compared some of the images to the FX, the more amazed I became and realized I could shoot with the “sweet spot” of many of my fx lenses with the D7000, particularly my teles (I don’t see any reason to use fx wide angle lenses on a DX) I now use the D7000, along with my other more expensive bodies, on every shoot.

    • MJr

      Comment above. Pure ignorance.

      Yes it produces fantastic images, but so does a NEX5n with Leica M adapter. Is it really so difficult to look a little beyond your own needs?

      • neversink

        That’s right. I’m ignorant and so are my clients who love my images on the D7000. But that is ok . Ignorance is bliss, and I am very blissful.

        And yes, I can take great images with any camera, even a homemade pinhole.. I just like to use the tools that I enjoy.

        So call me what you will… but just don’t go home and look in the mirror!!! :–}

  • Moe Jacknally

    My biggest worry: I hope that the D800 will have a shutter release button.

    • http://vandaelefotografie.be glenn

      I hope so too. . .
      Otherwise the button will be stuck in the the camera forever !

      • MJr

        ( haha i get it )

  • http://www.pixerela.com Omar

    :-( I really don’t like the specs on the D700, I rather spend the extra bucks for the D4

  • http://richardcromptonphotography.com RichM0nster

    Haven’t read the whole thread, but surely in Japan they have to list them as Discontinued as they breach the battery regulations of that country? Has the D90 vanished too?

  • RobertKrasser

    Hopefully there will be a D400FX, D500FX or D600FX. Since ages customers asking for a 1500€ FX Camera with video. So the lineup proposed by bibo sounds logic

    DX: D3100/D5100/D7000 maybee there will be a Pro D9000 as a D300s replaxement
    FX: D400/D800/D4 later D4s or h and D4x

    Up to now nikon is not logic at all why there is a D300 (3 digits) DX and D700 Also (3 digits) FX so there is 2 more space with DX (D400 D500 and D600) and 2 more for FX (D800 and D900)

    Conclusion: I think Canon do the better way they add jus a “Mark” so the Camera becomes a “Trademark” and you can say: I have a 5D Mark Mark 4 everybody knows what it is and where it stands in the lineup.

    Also unlogic with Nikon:

    Nikon D4 (one digit) Pro
    Nikon D90 (two digits) Amamteur
    Nikon D700 (thre digits) Semi Pro
    Nikon D7000 (four digits) low end and semi pro

    One day I will write a Book with the title “If I where Nikon…..”

    • WoutK89

      D300 is for legacy reasons (D200 type body and successor –> D300)
      Place the D700 (higher number) in the line-up and it is clear they are a different sort of camera.

      Regarding your “Canon do the better way”, for me a 7D would mean full frame or something similar (APS-H), as it is in the ‘x’D series.

      Actually the Nikon line-up is very clear still. The D3x00 series is lowest, D4 is highest:

      D4 (D3X)
      D700 (D800)
      D300s
      D7000
      D5100
      D3100

      From high to low is a clear image what goes where, and which is better than the other if the amount of digits is similar. For years Nikon didnt have problems as well having the D40(x)/D60 and D80/D90 below the D200/D300(s). People just know and can tell by looks and specs what should be better (also price is a good indication).

      It started with the D1 and D100 (which was similar to the F series, Fx and Fxxx). Only later technology advanced that they could make smaller bodies so they just added what seemed logical at that time. And I cant blame them, right now all is falling perfectly in place and they have over 8 years left open in numbering.

      If you were Nikon, you would probably have not done a better job, hindsight is always much easier.

      • RobertKrasser

        WoutK89 you are right, now the “new” Nikon lineup is quite logic to me as well. But what I want to ask you what do you think will the D400 be FX od DX? the D500 FX or DX? and the D600 Fy or DX. will there be ever a lower cost FX than the D700? sort of a prosumer FX? Again If I where Nikon I would release a D600 FX / 16mpx, 5FPr, ISO 205000, Video, and my dream is with the IPTC like the D4, and this for lets say 1800€, this will me the mega seller.

        Robert

        • WoutK89

          All we can do now is wait. If the D400 is FX, then we should see a D9000 or D7100 fill the prosumer DX gap.

  • http://www.photobubble.ro Catalin

    in romania, the D700 is still sold, but i heard the stocks are very very low and the D300s hasn’t been available for some time now.

  • http://ronscubadiver.wordpress.com Ron Scubadiver

    The rumor mill doth swirl. Somehow, I really don’t see much demand for a DX body that costs over $2000. I believe any D300s replacement will be more along the lines of an upgraded D7000. Meanwhile it seems odd that the two bodies are listed as discontinued before their replacements are released.

  • Psycho McCrazy

    Nikon-Image DOT com is the Japanese language website. The D700 and the D300s have been discontinued due to the new battery regulations.

    http://www.nikon-image.com/support/whatsnew/2011/wnew111108.htm

    the above link is to a press release stating the Japanese Market shipment discontinuation of the D700 and D300s (amongst some other stuff). Maybe the inventory is now also depleted (has been for some time in a local store here in Hamamatsu, Japan).

  • NikoRR

    Just to add few bit to the mixture of D800 speculations…

    One of the biggest UK photographic retailer has dropped D700 from their website. Couldn’t find WEX Photographic in the list today morning, as it was in the list last week.

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/210/d700.png/

    Surely, it is coming soon…

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