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Nikon D800 vs. D700 specs comparison

Here is a quick comparison between the Nikon D800 and Nikon D700 based on the specifications listed on Nikon's website.

I was told that the D700 will go down in price in the next few days - in France for example, the price is expected to drop from the current EUR 2,100 to EUR 1,800. I have no confirmation about US prices yet.

Model Nikon D800 Nikon D700
Effective Pixels 36.3 million 12.1 million
Sensor Size 35.9mm x 24mm 36.0mm x 23.9mm
File Format Still Images JPEG: JPEG-Baseline Compliant with fine (approx 1:4), Normal (approx 1:8) or Basic (approx 1:16) Compression
NEF (RAW): lossless compressed 12 or 14 bit, lossless compressed, compressed or uncompressed
TIFF (RGB)
JPEG: JPEG-Baseline-Compliant; can be selected from Size Priority and Optimal Quality
Compressed 12/14-bit NEF (RAW, Compressed): approx. 45-60 percent
Compressed 12/14-bit NEF (RAW, Lossless Compressed): approx. 60-80 percent
JPEG: JPEG-Baseline Compliant; can be selected from Size Priority and Optimal Quality
TIFF (RGB)
Uncompressed 12/14-bit NEF (RAW)
Picture Control Landscape
Monochrome
Neutral
Portrait
Standard
User-customizable Settings
Vivid
Monochrome
Neutral
Nine User-customizable Settings
Standard
Vivid
Storage Media CompactFlash© (CF) (Type I, compliant with UDMA)
SD
SDHC
SDXC
CompactFlash© (CF) (Type I, compliant with UDMA)
Card Slot 1 CompactFlash© (CF) card and 1 Secure Digital (SD) card 1 CompactFlash© (CF) card
Viewfinder Frame Coverage FX (36x24): 100% Horizontal and 100% Vertical Approx.
1.2x (30x20): 97% Horizontal and 97% Vertical Approx.
DX (24x16): 97% Horizontal and 97% Vertical Approx.
5:4 (30x24): 97% Horizontal and 97% Vertical Approx.
95 % Approx.
Viewfinder Magnification 0.70x Approx. 0.72x Approx.
Interchangeable Focusing Screens -- --
Lens Compatibility at a Glance*** AF-S or AF lenses fully compatible
Metering with AI lenses
AF-S or AF lenses fully compatible
Metering with AI lenses
Fastest Shutter Speed 1/8000 sec. 1/8000 sec.
Slowest Shutter Speed 30 sec. 30 sec.
Top Continuous Shooting Speed at full resolution 4 frames per second 5 frames per second
Scene Modes -- --
Exposure Compensation ±5 EV in increments of 1/3, 1/2 or 1 EV ±5 EV in increments of 1/3, 1/2 or 1 EV in increments of 1/3
1/2
1
Exposure Bracketing 2 to 9 frames in steps of 1/3, 1/2, 2/3 or 1 EV 2 to 9 frames in steps of 1/3, 1/2, 2/3 or 1 EV
Mirror Lock Up Yes Yes
ISO Sensitivity ISO 100 - 6400
Lo-1 (ISO 50)
Hi-1 (ISO 12,800)
Hi-2 (ISO 25,600)
ISO 200 - 6400
Lo-1 (ISO 100)
Hi-1 (ISO 12,800)
Hi-2 (ISO 25,600)
Dynamic AF Mode Number of AF points: 9, 21, 51 and 51 (3D-tracking) Number of AF points: 9, 21, 51 and 51 (3D-tracking)
Auto-area AF Mode Yes Yes
Focus Modes Auto AF-S/AF-C selection (AF-A)
Continuous-servo (AF-C)
Face-Priority AF available in Live View only and D-Movie only
Full-time Servo (AF-A) available in Live View only
Manual (M) with electronic rangefinder
Normal area
Single-servo AF (AF-S)
Wide area
Auto
Continuous-servo (C)
Manual
Manual (M) with electronic rangefinder
Single-servo AF (S)
Maximum Autofocus Areas/Points 51 51
Built-in Flash Yes Yes
Flash Bracketing 2 to 9 frames in steps of 1/3, 1/2, 2/3, or 1 EV 2 to 9 frames in steps of 1/3, 1/2, 2/3 or 1 EV
Top FP High Speed Sync Up to 1/8000 Up to 1/8000
Flash Sync Modes Front-curtain sync (normal)
Rear-curtain sync
Red-eye reduction
Red-eye reduction with slow sync
Slow sync
Front-curtain sync (normal)
Rear-curtain sync
Red-eye reduction
Red-eye reduction with slow sync
Slow sync
Flash Compensation -3 to +1 EV in increments of 1/3, 1/2 or 1 EV -3 to +1 EV in increments of 1/3 or 1/2 EV
Nikon Creative Lighting System (CLS) CLS Supported Built-in flash Commander Mode
CLS Supported
White Balance Auto (2 types)
Choose color temperature (2500K–10000K)
Cloudy
Direct Sunlight
Flash
Fluorescent (7 types)
Incandescent
Preset manual (up to 4 values can be stored)
Shade
Auto (2 types)
Auto (TTL white balance with 2,016-pixel RGB sensor)
Cloudy
Direct Sunlight
Fine Tune by Kelvin color temperature setting (2,500 K to 10,000K)
Flash
Fluorescent (7 types)
Incandescent
Preset manual (up to 5 values can be stored)
Seven manual modes with fine-tuning
Shade
White Balance Bracketing 2 to 9 exposures in increments of 1, 2 or 3 EV 2 to 9 exposures
Live View Shooting Photography Live View Mode
Movie Live View Mode
Handheld mode
Tripod mode
Movie HD 1,920x1,080 / 30 fps
HD 1,920x1,080 / 24 fps
HD 1,280x720 / 30 fps
HD 1,280x720 / 24 fps
HD 1,280x720 / 60 fps
--
Movie Audio Built-in microphone, monaural
External stereo microphone (optional)
--
Monitor Size 3.2 in. diagonal 3.0 in. diagonal
Monitor Resolution 921,000 Dots 921,000 Dots
Monitor Type Wide Viewing Angle TFT-LCD Super Density
Wide Viewing Angle TFT-LCD
Playback Functions Auto Image Rotation
Full-Frame and Thumbnail (4, 9, or 72 images or calendar)
Histogram Display
Image Comment
Movie Playback
Movie Slideshow
Playback with Zoom
Slideshow
Highlights
Auto Image Rotation
Full Frame
Highlight Point Display
Histogram Display
Slideshow
Thumbnail (4 or 9 segments)
Zoom
In-Camera Image Editing Color Outline
Color Sketch
D-Lighting
Distortion Control
Edit Movie
Filter Effects
Fisheye
Image Overlay
Miniature Effect
Monochrome
NEF (RAW) Processing
Perspective Control
Quick Retouch
Red-eye Correction
Resize
Selective Color
Side-by-Side Comparison
Straighten
Trim
Color Balance
Color Balance
D-Lighting
Filter Effects
Image Overlay
Monochrome
Red-eye Correction
Trim
GPS GP-1 GPS unit GP-1 GPS unit
Battery / Batteries EN-EL15 Lithium-ion Battery EN-EL3e Lithium-ion Battery
Battery Life (shots per charge) 900 Battery Life (shots per charge) (CIPA) 1,000 shots (CIPA)
AC Adapter EH-5b AC Adapter
Requires EP-5B Power Supply Connector
EH-5a AC Adapter
Approx. Dimensions Width 5.7 in. (144.78mm)
Height 4.8 in. (121.92mm)
Depth 3.2 in. (81.28mm)
Width 5.8 in. (147mm)
Height 4.8 in. (123mm)
Depth 3.0 in. (77mm)
Approx. Weight 31.7 oz. (900g)camera body only 35 oz. (995g)camera body only
 Price $2,999.95 $2,699.95

 

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  • Bip

    These two cannot be directly compared even though the D800 replaces the D700.

    • i.am.one

      +1

      The D800 seems to be the combination of D3X and D700 (24mp plus 12mp you get 36mp, lol).

      • dimalozz

        D800 is a ‘doublesensor’ D7000 )))))
        You see: D800 is much more close to D7000 than to D700.

        • Martinrock

          Incomparable with the D7000 exept for video….in DX crop mode.

    • Nikon Shooter

      I agree. The Nikon’s new oddly-shaped red swoosh makes these two cameras impossible to compare.

      • http://www.kirkvagg.com/blog Kirk Vagg Photog

        I also agree- BUT I noticed it says that it’s *CLS Supported* ….. No mention of commander ??? Can anyone clarify this? Admin ? I huge percentage of my lighting work is using the pop up commander. Anyone else know about this?

        • http://www.kirkvagg.com/blog Kirk Vagg Photog

          Hmm, come to think of it… there would be no other way of supporting CLS in camera…

          Please ignore the above comment. My bad.

          Still, I wonder why they haven’t specified Commander Mode..

          • http://kvaz.com.ua Kvaz

            D800 have Commander mode! 200% truth! saw by myself!

        • http://Www.kirkvagg.com/blog Kirk Vagg Photog

          Ok, I’ve just noticed that the D4 also has “CLS Support” but obviously has no pop up flash. So does this mean that my suspicions are correct? That Nikon is not including the Commander Mode in the D800 pop up flash?

          Admin?
          What’s the go?

          • Ebzzt

            They do include the commander mode. It is explained in the digitutor. Not sure why they didn’t state it explicitly in the spec.

            • btdown

              Wow….more I read, the more I see this isn’t the next camera for me. Thanks for the good discussion everyone.

          • http://Www.kirkvagg.com/blog Kirk Vagg Photog

            @Ebzzt Great! Thanks for the info.

    • yo

      sure they can because that’s what he just did.

    • http://www.jpgmag.com/people/markwjr Mark

      It’s been said by multiple Nikon reps, in separate videos, that the D800 stands alongside the D700, implying that it’s not the D700s replacement.

      Mark

      • Discontinued

        Yes, as much as the D300S stood alongside the D300 for a little while. Any rep would say that until the D700 is sold out worldwide. I am pretty confident this dinosaur is no longer in production.

        • Roger

          +1

        • http://AdairCreativeGroup.com Ron Adair

          You may well be right, Discontinued, but from everything I have seen/heard there is no indication from Nikon that this is the case — in fact we’ve heard just the opposite. I think it’s interesting that so many people are complaining that ‘This is the replacement for the D700?!?!?”, but it’s only the internetz who have pushed this ‘fact’, and NOT Nikon themselves. Only they know their plans, and those plans may well include a D700 successor.

          Time will tell, I suppose.

    • Roger

      “These two cannot be directly compared even though the D800 replaces the D700.”

      Agreed – D700 does not compare to D800. New camera is in the league of it’s own!

    • komal

      D800 does not replace D700. It is targeting MF digital cameras, Most people are comparing it with D700 and cribbing that fps is low and low light is not enough etc…just check out what MF digital cameras are offering….1fps and iso up to 800….
      This is digital close to 35mm film equivalent when it comes to prints !!

      • bert

        My D700 already surpasses film. Don’t need a D800 for that. Maybe some negative films allow a little more detail, but 1: Try to get that into a digital file, or even worse: on paper. 2: The dark-area grain is so much nicer with a D700. 3: I have way more control while making pics compared to the film era. Most shots I make now were basically impossible with film. In theory film might be delivering a nice picture, in RL it simply doesn’t. The only area film wins, is with 6×6 or 4×5″ sheets, making postprocessing even more annoying anno 2012.

      • RC

        You’re still talking about film? As far as I’m concerned, film died when I got my 1.5 MP Sony D770.

    • Orilla

      I have found some interessting post on Amazon.de:

      Der Nachfolger der legendären Nikon D700. Mit 36 Megapixeln, Full-HD Videos und Batteriegriff.

      That means that the D800 replace the D700!

      • jorg

        sagt wer?
        says who?

        • Orilla

          Steht so auf Amazon.de als Beschreibung.

          This is the description from Amazon.de.

    • Eric

      From my perspective this really is (for the first time) two cameras in one, and I believe it should be considered as such. The first camera looks like it blows away the D3X and even betters some of the MF cameras. The second camera operates in DX mode has better ISO performance than the D700, has almost 50% more pixels than a D700, shoots 6 FPS (with proper batteries) has a better movie mode than the D700, better ergonimics improved AF, improved metering etc. … If you’re shooting sports, switch to DX mode. Yes, the crop facture kills those ultrawide shots, but most of my sports shots are telephoto anyway. For many it could be argued that the D800 in DX mode is a better camera than the D700. If we were to take the specs of the D800 in DX mode and say that these were the D800 specs period, many would feel that this was a reasonable upgrade. But we get so much more. Too many pixels? I don’t think so, pixels are easy to throw away, but much harder to create. This camera at this price point is amazing.

      • RC

        On what grounds do you judge the D800 better than the D700 for high-ISO images?

  • Erick Calderòn

    I am still trying to buy a D700 but can’t find it at any of the local stores I get my equipment from. Even online stores are backordered.

    • http://micahmedia.com Micah

      …there hasn’t been any new stock in a while. When Nikon needed to replace my camera, they had no truly new stock to do so. Even parts have been scant. They only chance of finding a new one is luck or NOS.

      • BornOptimist

        I just checked one store in Norway, and they have 15 available now. Yesterday they had 23, so 8 sold since yesterday.

    • Nikon Shooter

      The price for the used ones is plummeting by the hour though. Will be under $2k by the end of this month.

      • Rob

        They’ve been under 2k used for over a year. If you paid more than that, you got ripped off.

        • Worminator

          Yep but they’ve hovered at a constant value close to 2k for 2-3 years now.

          Which made me realize that if I had bought a D700 used 3 months after launch, and sold it 3 months before the D800 was announced, I could have got to use a D700 practically for free for almost 4 years…

          • Rob

            Because of the change in the value of the dollar, it wouldn’t even be close to free. That $2100 4 years ago would be worth over $3000 in almost any decent investment. Over $4000 if you had just bought gold and sat on it.

    • mark

      why would u want a d700 when this camera is so much better for virtually the same price

      • Steve

        Mark, the D800 may look better in some situation, but worth in other, such as in low light situation! Nikon is saying the D800 target is at landscape, studio and wedding, where you can have as much light as you want.

        In sport photography, the 4 fps will kill anyone.

        In music concert, where you do not have control of light, my guess is that it won’t be so magical.

        • Nikon Shooter

          “Nikon is saying the D800 target is at landscape, studio and wedding, where you can have as much light as you want.”

          I’d bet a D800 that you’ve never shot even one wedding professionally, because otherwise you’d know better than to say something like this.

          “In sport photography, the 4 fps will kill anyone.”

          Right, and there was never any sports coverage for decades until the high frame-rate SLRs came about.

          Do all you noobs even realize that sports photographers used to do magic with just a couple of frames per second, ISO 1600 film and manual focus lenses?! Learn how to take good pictures instead of complaining about the shortcomings of this new amazing technology that you are lucky enough to have access to. Or just shoot video, grab frames from it and call it photography. Is 30fps fast enough for you or do you think you might still miss something?

          • ADfGDg

            LOL noobs sounds like boobs

          • Andi

            +1

          • Mark L

            @ Nikon Shooter

            Hey mate, why are you so aggressive? Each and every post of yours contains insults and worthless babbling.

        • http://alexandnatalie.com Alex Nelson

          +1000 people need to stop with the “wedding photographers don’t have low light concerns” garbage. I shoot about 20 weddings a year and regularly hover around ISO 4000 during dimly lit churches. The D800 sample images I’ve seen at ISO 25,600 look cleaner than my own D700 images at ISO 6400.

          • http://www.tracymaisch.com Nikon Lady

            Agreed. Very, very likely I will be told by church officials that I may not use flash during a ceremony. Not to mention the reception in the ballroom. High ISO capability is huge for me.

      • Dragos

        I am thinking also of how the lenses resolve on a very high resolution camera like the D800. Especially third-party lenses, some of which are very nice and either unavailable from Nikon or much cheaper. The latest two examples (Tamron 24-70/F2.8 and Tokina 70-200/F4) look good on paper and will hopefully complement very well a D700.

        On the D700 they’re fine, not so sure though on the D800. People will be forced to stick to the highest quality (and most expensive) nikkors, I’m afraid.

        • Andi

          If you want to get the most out of a lens, you need sensor that clearly outperforms it.

          (and vice versa, of course)

        • Sahaja

          In the old days did people with cheap lenses meed to shoot Tri-X instead of Plus-X to hide the deficiency of their lenses?

      • Bob

        I am thinking also of how the lenses resolve on a very high resolution camera like the D800. Especially third-party lenses, some of which are very nice and either unavailable from Nikon or much cheaper. The latest two examples (Tamron 24-70/F2.8 and Tokina 70-200/F4) look good on paper and will hopefully complement very well a D700.

        On the D700 they’re fine, not so sure though on the D800. People will be forced to stick to the highest quality (and most expensive) nikkors, I’m afraid.

      • btdown

        When you put the specs side by side, it no longer looks so (additionally) wonderful. I’m glad there are sites like this to assist with purchasing decisions.

    • http://digitalimageryphotos.com david nix

      I will have a used D700 with 12,500 actuations for sale in 2 weeks; camera is in Ex+++ condition.

    • levi

      i will be selling my D700 as soon as my D800 gets in

  • http://micahmedia.com Micah

    Top frame rate for the D700 is 8fps at full res, with the MB-D10 + AAs or EN-EL4.

    Suggestion: reformat both to make them easier to compare, otherwise, this is info it’s just as easy to find elsewhere.

    • LOL

      As you can see it’s just plainly D700 & D800 compared. It doesn’t say that D700 +MB-D10 versus D800.
      Think before you post

      • http://StevenGeorges.com Steven Georges

        Micah clearly stated WITH the MB-D10. He (she?) was just pointing out what the chart left out. Even with the MB-D12, the D800’s fps will NOT increase without going into crop mode.
        Why such an important point was left out I have no idea.

        • ArthurNava

          What dimension are the files in crop mode for the D800 as compared to the D700 in pixels?

          • ArthurNava

            I meant to say as compared to the D700 full size image in pixels.

            • Michal

              About 15 MP

        • Bob

          Would you not typically need those high FPS in sports/birding, meaning you’d need more reach anyway? If that’s so, then going into crop mode and having 6 FPS seems quite logical, and the resulting resolution would still be better than on the D3s/700, with the added bonus of using the sweet spot of the lenses? Agreed, it’s not 8FPS, but not too far from that already…

          • http://micahmedia.com Micah

            I have both the D700 and the D7000 and the reach difference is not as significant to me as the difference in FPS and AF speed. The 2 extra FPS does really mean the difference between getting the shot and not.

            The extra frame added by the D3 and again by the D4 is all very useable.

            And it is absolutely worth noting the max possible frame rate. There is no accessory with which you can gain double the frame rate at full frame with the D800. That doesn’t make the camera unusable (far from it!), but it is a practical limitation that is non-trivial.

  • dimalozz

    It’s better to delete the points with the same specs.
    Write only differences.

    • http://micahmedia.com Micah

      …or perhaps color code them?

      • dimalozz

        Yes! May be!

        • http://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/sets/ Jan F. Rasmussen

          I agree very much, it is confusing to have to read the same text twice trying to spot small differences

  • nir.exe

    almost the same camera :)

    • Nikonsniper

      Yep, funny how a lot of people were on about the D800 shooting 4fs, and the D700 shots only 5fs. waaaaaaa people.

      • Stephen White

        As others have pointed out there were apparently ways to get the D700 up to 8fps, but I agree with your general sentiment. What’s more, the DX crop on the D800 will shoot a higher resolution than the D700 at 5fps without the battery pack, and 6fps with. Hardly a deal breaker to me.

      • Dan Watson

        With a brand new processor, you would expect improvement. Imagine if 4 years from now your brand new computer with 6000×4000 pixel (more than almost everyone would ever need) resolution opened this website slower than your 1080p (plenty good) machine. Not only that, the D800 probably won’t be much better in low light, and I am really struggling to figure out how I would run my typical 2000-4000 shots per wedding at full resolution raw files (75mB I heard) with the SD serving as backup to the CF (how just about every event photographer would run). That would be 300GB of CF cards and 300GB of SD cards. This is a horrible day for those who wanted an upgraded D700 and an awesome day for everyone who wanted but could not afford a D3x

        • http://modifiedphoto.wordpress.com Jason

          2000-4000 shots per wedding? Lemme guess, you keep about 5% of those? (Gees, 4000 shots would be 111 rolls of 36 exposure film!)

          • Rob

            He just holds the shutter down for the duration of the wedding and hopes for the best.

            • MichalK

              I’m a wedding photographer and also do on average 3000 shots. Here in Australia, weddings are 12+ hours. 3000 shots are just right…

            • Cool WHip

              LOL, I think the saying “It’s not the camera – it’s the photographer that takes great pictures.” died a long time ago. Just let’er rip! hahahaha

            • bert

              If you work like that, Just get a Nikon V1. That one automatically pics the best of the shots for you and deletes the others!

            • Eugene Rodgers

              I generally shoot 1200-1500 shots for entire wedding package. I give them around 400 of my best/favorite pics. Any more than that and they get confused.

          • Monkey Nigh Mow

            That’s your problem bro. You’re still thinking in terms of FILM!

            ;)

            • http://www.modifiedphotographics.com Jason

              LOL, but what’s the point in having to sort through 2000-4000 shots if you only plan on actually using 100-200 of them? Sure, you can’t sell what you don’t shoot, but I’ve done a handful of weddings and never even broke 500 shots from start to finish. (Of course I deleted some of the “junk” as I go also.)

              Either way, why make it harder on yourself? Heck, if I showed a client a more than 500 images of their wedding, they would feel overwhelmed deciding which were their favorites.

        • http://darkwatersphoto.com,dnawylie.com DougWylie

          +1,000,000

          The frame rate and pixel size are my biggest complaints and reasons for not getting this camera. It should not be called the D800 as it implies a replacement of the D700 which it obviously doesn’t. So we gain 1fps with the grip (for $616!!! ) and have to shoot DX for 2 more fps??? Major disappointment for sport shooters using the D700.

          • http://www.modifiedphotographics.com Jason

            Actually, the D800 DX mode is a blessing in disguise. For sports shooters, you get a little extra tele reach for free. Plus you get more FPS. And on top of that, your file sizes are more manageable, yet more resolution than a D700 with similar ISO performance.

        • Fool

          “the D800 probably won’t be much better in low light” thus from my unfounded guess I’m going to diss the D800 for being bad in low light.

          Also, I’d like to make several other assumptions, then treat them as truth and as evidence why D800 sux.

          • Monkey Nigh Mow

            Also I can’t afford one, so therefore it sucks. ;)

        • Ebzzt

          75 MB is for uncompressed 14 bit NEF.
          Lossless compressed 14 bit NEF is about 41 MB according to the table in this page :
          http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/features04.htm

        • Wade Spam

          2000-4000 shots? so if you do weddings everyday, you will be at the shutter count limit in 67 days.. or just over a year if you shoot weddings weekly..

          • Eric

            Nobody does weddings everyday. A lot of wedding photogs average to 20-30 weddings a year, just because not so many people get married in winter.
            Anyway, in case you shoot one wedding a week, you surely get enough money to upgrade your body every year.
            Finally, wedding photogs always bring 2 bodies. So that’s about 1500 pix/(body.week).

        • http://www.tony-smith-photography.com Tony

          “This is a horrible day for those who wanted an upgraded D700 and an awesome day for everyone who wanted but could not afford a D3x”

          Absolutely bang on the money there. Best comment I have heard regarding this camera since it’s announcement. Sums it up in a nutshell.

          • http://micahmedia.com Micah

            …actually, it didn’t dawn on me until just now: D3s will be the upgrade for the D700 shooter as soon as the D4 models are shipping with regularity. They’ll probably be selling for at the same price or less than the D800.

            So in a convoluted way, Nikon has given us all what we wanted. If you’re saavy enough to look for it.

        • http://alexandnatalie.com Alex Nelson

          Agreed typical 8 hour wedding with my wife and I shooting, we average about 2500 images total. That gets culled down to 500-700. Certainly not spray and pray, but sometimes when things move so quickly there isn’t time to chimp and verify that you are tack sharp so you are better off just taking 2 shots instead of 1.

          I’m also concerned about file size, but compressed 12-bit NEF is only 29MB. NEF lossless compressed 14-bit only gets you up to 41.3MB. You need to go to uncompressed 14-bit NEF to reac 74.4MB and I see no reason to use uncompressed.

      • http://johnsmith-johnsimages.blogspot.com/ John Smith

        Good point. Even if both cameras shot at 1 fps, I wouldn’t care. I shot with a double stroke Leica M3 and got the results that I wanted, even on the street and during events. The rest of the performance of both cameras impresses me.

  • http://grandejr.com stephen grande jr

    I’m still waiting for the price drop

    • http://www.dimalozz.ho.ua dimalozz

      I’m still waiting for ..Megapixels drop… hope for D700s with D4/D3s sensor announcement…

      • JV

        +1

      • Eric

        +1

  • http://blog.dafyddowen.com Daf

    CLS – even though it doesn’t mention it above – I assume that the D800 pop-up flash can be used as commander … ?

    For me – I just want to see High ISO like for like comparison, and if it’s good enough – out comes the Credit card. Got to be better than my D200 anyway ;)

  • D700

    When will the D900 come out? I want 38MP and 1080p60 :)

    • AM

      In about four years from now. So STFU for the time being.

    • Highly visible man

      I assume you meant 50mp for D900?

      • BartyL

        We are going in up by a factor of 3 each time – this has been a long-standing tradition ever since the D700 to D800 tansition (remember that?). Therefore the D900 will have 108MP.

        • Bondi Beach

          And 2 fps :-) Just as well the landscape isn’t moving too fast – unless you shoot glaciers!

  • texajoe

    A price drop would defanently make me buy another D700!

  • Bonetti

    Some Spec are Wrong

    Top Continuous Shooting Speed at full resolution(D700) : 5 (it is Actually 8FPS)

    the D700 does not have a 2,016-pixel RGB sensor it is 1,005-Pixel RGB sensor

    • http://www.robertbromfield.com Robert Bromfield

      Untrue, it’s 5 fps without battery grip and 8 fps with the grip.
      Obviously the comparison is between the bare cameras.

      • not true

        That’s actually not true either. There is a work around to make the bare D700 shoot 8 fps.

        • Paul

          Sorry, but that’s only partially true… You loose the ability to AUTOFOCUS between shots if you use the “work around” to achieve 8fps without the battery grip and EN-EL4 battery.

          As for the original statement: “Top Continuous Shooting Speed at full resolution(D700) : 5 (it is Actually 8FPS)”, i find it to be accurate. It specifies MAXIMUM FPS achieved by camera.

          So if the photographer needs to use 8fps for whatever purpose, he just buys the grip and the battery and that will give him the ability to shoot FX 8fps, as opposed to a maximum of 4fps in FX for the D800… I’m not saying I need / use 8fps, i’m just saying Bonetti is correct in his statement…

          • Monkey Nigh Mow

            LIES!

            Sorry didn’t read, just wanted to get in on the action.

  • http://www.truphotos.com gnohz

    It’s not stated, but I was wondering if the D800 has built-in flash commander mode.

    • http://www.lightshootedit.com scott detweiler

      Yes, D800 has commander on internal flash.

    • Up $#!t’s creek!

      seems like it doesnt. on nikon website d700 specifically says commander mode and supports cls, d800 only says supports cls

      • Ebzzt

        Actually it does have commander mode. It is explained in D800 digitutor.

        • Up $#!t’s creek!

          thanks….. painful vid, but its there

  • http://none rttew

    who cares? the d700 can’t be bought at bandh, adorama, etc.

  • http://www.alldigi.com/ Geoff

    I still love my D700.

  • Dave

    Wouldn’t a more realistic comparison be the D800 vs the D3X?

    • Brian

      +1

      • bobby

        D800 clearly owns both. So either is a valid comparison.

    • http://StevenGeorges.com Steven Georges

      Good point.
      But I don’t understand why a third column including the D4 could not have been added.

  • JACK LARSON

    Dan Watson’s last sentence sums it up. Makes me totally happy with my D700 for the time being.

  • DrPete

    So unless I’m shooting 24×36″ posters or movies, the D700 is just fine. Not much of a leap considering the wait. Things might get interesting when the 5D Mark III hits the market.

    • Discontinued

      ? ? ?
      Unless I’m shooting either stills or movies I’m just fine without a camera, be it without Nikon or Canon. What exactly is your point?

    • twoomy

      Not much of a leap? Har har. I print large and the D800 will be the best thing since twinkees were invented. Much more resolution, apparently slightly better ISO than the D700, decent movie mode, and lighter than the D700. All at a very reasonable price. That’s a pretty big leap in my book.

      The high resolution will disappoint and confuse some though, so I’d bet we see a true D700 successor a year from now (with a D4 sensor). That would follow the original D3/D700 pattern.

    • Ebzzt

      Aside from the sensor, there are other improvement like improved AF, new metering sensor, 2 axis virtual horizon, 100% viewfinder, quiet mode, extra memory card, new auto iso mode, bracketing button, new live view implementation, larger lcd, usb 3.0 and video.

      I say it is quite a leap (without even considering the new sensor).

    • EGGzz

      Most of us here own NIKON lenses so Canon could release a 8000 MP camera and we still wouldn’t care !! Canons plastic-shite sux !! I use it full-time everyday.

      At home I prefer NIKON anytime

    • Roy

      Is it possible that Canon has discovered AF? If we preferred a D700 over a 5DII, what in the world could Canon do to attract us?

  • Ad Onair

    Anyone want to guess the spec of D900?

    Let me take a crack at it:

    60mp – 24 mp more than D800 (up from 36mp for D800, D700 is 12mp)
    3fps – 1fps slower than D800 (down from 4 fps for D800, D700 is 5fps)

    • EGGzz

      You have too much time on your hands.

      Go out and shoot some pictures….

  • T.I.M

    It’s surprizing that the D800 is 100g lighter than the D700, 36MP pictures files are much heavier compared to a 12MP picture file !
    :o

    • The engineer

      @T.I.M.

      It is elementary my dear Invisible man. Nikon engineers have
      devised a system of internal bladders that fill with lighter than
      air gasses as the cf or sd card fills with the heavier picture files.

      When you perform the memory card format function with the
      Nikon D800 the camera ‘passes out’ the gasses, or to use a term
      of the streets, the camera farts. We recommend that you only
      perform this function when you are alone or amongst very close friends.

      • PeterO

        Damn, you engineers know all the good stuff. Now I understand why my memory cards always felt heavier after a full day of shooting – particularly raw files.

      • The Scientist

        @T.I.M. & The engineer

        Don’t believe him T.I.M. “Photo Farts” was a beta solution. Fortunately the bright boys at Nikon realized that the weight of the images would remain the same. Ya see, although there are more pixels in a D800 image, they D700 pixels are bigger, so the images weigh the same. It was important for Nikon to eliminate the farting problem because they wanted to be able to claim that the camera was “low noise”.

        • The Janitor

          @ T.I.M. & The engineer & The Scientist

          All I know is engineers and scientists don’t know how to flush!

  • http://jessenash.com Jesse Nash

    I wonder if Nikon will sell more D700’s than D800’s in the first six months of the release. The pixel density should be on that list. Four years later, they release a upgraded model that’s slower and with lower IQ, from a marketing perspective it seems to me they should have given it a new name, the D800 is not an upgrade to the D700, it’s a completely new model.

    • Anonymous

      “Four years later, they release a upgraded model that’s slower and with lower IQ…”

      What makes you say that the IQ for the D800 is lower than the D700. From every example I have seen, it appears to be better. Also, has a better AF and that is from the blog of the one the guys who shot with it. You are just a moron or perhaps just a case of sour grapes.

      • http://jessenash.com Jesse Nash

        Does anyone else notice how easy it is to inadvertently provoke people on this site? Anyhow, I moronically wrote iq while thinking about iso. I’m not sure there’s much of a definitive comparison where the D800 would come out on top for that. Again, I’m just saying it’s a new model… not an upgrade.

      • bobby

        Where are you guys getting this lower ISO from? It clearly states on the spec sheet its the same! By your fantasy logic it could also be better.

        • Steve

          Bobby, read this article:

          http://photofocus.com/

          Physics are physics. If you cram three times the pixels onto a sensor that is the same size as you used when your camera had 1/3 the pixels, something’s got to give. Yes the camera companies have come up with some neat tricks to make each pixel gather more light than it would have in the old days, but three times the pixels???

          • Anonymous

            It is absolutely bullshit to state that just lower size pixels will lead to higher noise for the same ISO. Have you compared the noise levels of D1 with D300 at the same ISO? I believe that they had the same size sensor, one 2.6 MP (11.8 microns) the other 12.3MP (5.49 micron pixel pitch ). The pixels in D1 were larger than those in D300. Did you get better noise performance with the D1?

            The improvement in noise reduction technology plays a crucial role. Also, for the same printed or viewed image size, the D800 image maybe a tad bit cleaner than the D700 image, given both are shot identically.

            • Steve Hammond

              Let’s hope you are right. But those words did not come from me, but from a professional photographer that has a better name to protect than me!

            • Anders Graverholt

              Great analogy! My thoughts exactly.

              Besides, great high ISO isn’t just about noise; I find the lack of DR to be the prime factor when not choosing to use ISO 6400 on my D700.

              It will be interesting to see how broad a DR we can expect from ISO 3200 and up out of the D800.

          • Monkey Nigh Mow

            Never heard of pixel-binning? LOL

            From what I’ve seen the D800 looks pretty darned good in low light. Especially after resizing.

    • EGGzz

      CONGRATULATIONS !!!

      You are poster numbber 200.000 to post that conclusion.

      I think we got it now…… But congrats anyway…

      And Im sure to find more Einsteins like yourself when scrolling further down

  • Up $#!t’s creek!

    seriously? no commander mode? would it have really killed them to include that in the firmware? nice way to get people to buy another sb

    • Ebzzt

      Calm mate, there is commander mode, watch the digitutor.

  • http://www.jurnalfotografie.ro Robert

    In Germany NIKON D700 dropped down at 1728E at SATURN shops…

    But in term of comparation ISO 3200 on D700 is much better than D800.

    U can aquire clean shots on D700 with ISO 1250 . In D800 is not possible,

    Allways D700 can be remain a backup solution!

    • Ben

      Please point me where you are seeing the comparison of D700 to 800 at high ISO for noise ratios. I have been looking but I have yet to see this anywhere. From the high ISO shot I have seen from the D800 it looked to me to be pretty clean up into 3200.

      • Steve

        Ben,

        Physics is physics, not matter what. the sensor on the D800 is 3 times more pixels into the same size sensor. Noise due to pixels proximity will be an issue somehow.

        • bobby

          Your suggesting that in 3 years they have done nothing to improve how light is processed.

          • Steve

            I’m just suggesting that physics is physics and if you put the pixels nearer to each other, your likely to have them add noise to the pictures. 3 years is not the end of the world in physics!

            • http://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/sets/ Jan F. Rasmussen

              That is so very true – all else being equal which naturally they are NOT 3 years later…

        • twoomy

          There’s always somebody who pulls out the tired “physics” card. There’s more to noise than just pixel density. Why is ISO1600 from a D7000 much better than ISO1600 from a lower-res D100 from eight years ago? Technology improves over the years.

          • Steve

            That is probably true, but until I see reel field tests of the D800 vs D800 ISO comparison, I’ll keep my money in my pocket.

            Nikon is clearly using the same technology in the D4 and the D800, except for the sensor. The D4 is targeted as behind a very very good performer at low ISO with a sensor half the size of the D800. So if my calculation is right, the D800 will offer less performance at low ISO than the D4, and probably the D700 too.

            • Anonymous

              D4 will be the king of low noise, no doubt about that. However, your assumption that the noise levels of D800 will be more than D700 is wrong. Don’t make those assumptions till you have done more research.

            • Steve Hammond

              @ Anonymous

              I will be able to do more research on this only once the D800 will be released in the wild and will see real tests from users that are independent in their opinions. This will have to wait for a few more months. But I’m not the only one a bit confuse about this…

              MichalK here is the only one that tested the D800 and D4 and is comforting me that I may be wrong. Let,s hope I am.

              But again, I do not need 36 MP for what I do, so, I would have preferred a D4 size sensor in a D700 body.

            • TheInconvenientRuth

              So are you going to tell off the D4 for breaking your laws of physics? It as 4mp more than the D3s and according to Nikon ‘at least’ one stop more DR and one stop better high ISO performance.

              How are you going to convince the D4 that it is doing something impossible? :)

        • Bernardl

          Then how to you explain that a Nikon J1 has the same DR as a FF Canon 1Ds?

          Technology has been proven time an again to have a large impact on complex system behavior that basic physics laws.

          Cheers,
          Bernard

        • Russ

          If all things were equal I would agree with you. And though physics hasn’t changed, I’m sure Intel and IBM (etc) would back me up in saying the there have been quite a few breakthroughs / process refinements in silicon transistor technology in the past 4-5 years, which shares most of the same manufacturing processes as CMOS sensors.

        • Astrophotographer

          I’d like to clarify the physics. This is a bit dense of an article:
          http://www.clarkvision.com/articles/digital.photons.and.qe/
          But the summary is the two Canon cameras tested (10d and 1D Mark II) were about 26%-38% in quantum efficiency, i.e. capturing photons. So if one could get 75% you’re at 2-3X better ISO. But there is a limit and I think Nikon is at the wall now.

          There is noise inherent in a signal. And you need a significant amount of photos capture to separate signal from noise. Or, yes there is a physical limit

          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/sets/ Jan F. Rasmussen

            I do not think anyone doubts, that there IS a physical limit, but most here (including me) have no idea if we are close to it or far away from it ;-)

  • Larry C

    There were 85 D700 listed on ebay yesterday. There’s 103 listed today. You can almost hear the prices falling.

    • FX DX

      I see 4 D700 listed on my local Craigslist (Chicago). I will be selling my D700 at some point but not before I get my D800.

  • pabs

    Does anybody know why Nikon limits its exposure bracketing to 1 EV as opposed to 2 EV? They seem to acknowledge the interest in HDR imaging. Having a 2 EV bracket step would be so much easier for HDR and a means to limit the number of 1EV shots needed. Since the total EV range is =/- 5 then shooting a -2, 0 +2 bracket would be doable. I already ordered the D800 but really was hoping for this seemingly easy tweak.

    • Dave

      Good point. Nikon overlooks some obviously useful tweaks like this that would really make photographer’s lives easier. For instance, why are the limits on the auto iso fixed at full stops? Why can’t I specify a max auto iso at 1250 or 2000 instead of ONLY 400/800/1600/3200 etc? There are a dozen little tweaks like that which would be an easy firmware update. C’mon, Nikon.

    • Luis

      I have been whining about this for years. Here is a site that summarized exposure bracketing for a bunch of cameras:

      http://hdr-photography.com/aeb.html

      As you can see there are Nikon cameras that will do up to a 2 EV exposure bracket step. Why Nikon does 2 on some bodies and only 1 on others I really don’t understand. Why not just allow the steps to be 1/3, 1/2, 2/3, 1, 2, 3 ?

  • D700 Whinger

    I like my D700. D800 has too much IQ for me. D700 is fine.
    I like my D700. D800 has better ISO performance than my D700. So what.
    I like my D700. D800 has got the most advance video functions seen on any DSLR but I don’t use it.

    Shut up. I like to live in the past and 12MP is enough for me. I still play cassette tapes at home and use 15 inch monitor at home. They are enough for me.

    Wait…what year is this?

    • Rob

      You should go read the forums on that site that reviews dp stuff. It’s sad listening to the D3x owners trying to explain how they don’t regret recently buying an inferior camera for $5000 more than the D800 costs. Human beings are naturally very defensive and will try to justify anything to avoid being wrong/regretting bad decisions.

      • Ebzzt

        Well according to the lens compatibility list in Nikon website there is still no tilting/shfting with PC(-E) lenses. So I guess, D3X is not completely obsolete yet although used price will fall for sure.

        • Luis

          All the chart says:

          http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/compatibility02.htm

          is that certain features won’t work when tilting or shifting, which is how it is on the D700.

          AF (it’s a MF lens) won’t work – ever.

          Electronic rangefinder won’t work when shifted or tilted but will work when not.

          Auto Exposure modes won’t work when shifted or tilted but will work when not. I’m not 100% sure that is accurate, though.

          3D Metering won’t work when shifted or tilted but will work when not.

          Spot Metering won’t work when shifted or tilted but will work when not.

          All in all, pretty much how they work on a D700.

  • UncleDusty

    Now, I have to drop another $250 on an SU-800? My D7000 has flash command mode. Come on now!

  • Ben

    I don’t understand all the bitching… The Nikon D800 is a great camera. It has the same ISO range as the D700 and perhaps with less noise. Time will tell. It shoots a whopping 1 frame a second slower then the D700. It is not designed to be a sports or photo journalist camera. If that is what you want go get a D4 or D3s. What it is made for is fantastic portrait and landscape pictures with an amazing video ability. If you need to shoot more then 4fps shoot a video. To me I think this fills a the slot between the D7000, D700 and the D4 perfectly. If it doesn’t fit your needs then that doesn’t make it a bad camera it just makes it not the right camera for you. Personally I never shoot in burst mode I compose and shoot. I still may take 750 shots in a session but I don’t just fire bursts. I don’t shoot sports and I am not a photo journalist… As such this is a perfect camera for me. They are not trying to make a camera that works for everyone. or maybe they are but the tech is not there yet. If they increased the ISO and matched the frame rate….. Wouldn’t it cost more then a D4…. So….. I don’t understand what people expected..

    • fifi

      Ben, I totally agree with you. But some people have a bit unrealistic expectations. I would like a car with performance of Ferrari 599, comfort of Audi A8 and economy of Toyota Prius Hybrid……. Let’s get real!

  • FX DX

    To my eyes D700 looks better than D800, but I think I will get used to it.

  • Steve

    The D800 is impressive on paper, but with a sensor bigger than even the D4, my best guess is that the low light ISO quality will be better on the D700 than the D800 at same setting. The D800 looks more like a high light shooting device than it will be is low light such as music concert or theatre play.

    • bobby

      If the d700 wasnt using 3+ year old tech I’d agree with you

      • Steve

        Even with 3+ years of technology in the, physics is physics!

        • kevin

          physics is physics and lets use physics to prove D800 has similar ISO compare to D700 even tho D800 got 3 times MP.

          The D800 uses a new designed senor. This new designed senor is similar to the one sony developed last year. This new sensor detects light much better than the older d700 senor.

          You are right about the density senor detects the light. However, thats not everything to a senor. future more, This is the reason company design new and better sensors.

          The higher ISO , the more sensor has to detects the light at the same amount of time. increase sensitivity would also increase noise due to increase detection of ****un-wanted signal****.

          new sensors could process these un-wanted signal better.

          • Steve Hammond

            Probably true. But I’ll wait for a side by side comparison between D700 and D800 before making my mind on this new toy.

            Probably my problem is that I do not print that much, and a 16 MP sensor would have proved enough for me. Hence my scepticism comments on ISO performance…

            Let’s hope I’m proved wrong!

            • kevin

              i agree. I don’t need 36mp either. Im looking at the full size 36MP picture on my Imac screen, they are wwwaaaayyy too big!!!!!!! This camera is not designed for me, and the D4 costs twice as much :( I dont want a DX d7000 either.
              I guess d800 is my only choice since all my nikon lens wont allow me to switch to canon. Im still happy about d800 tho.

        • no physics

          this comment is so ignorant. physics is not a big player here at this level.

    • Anonymous

      @ Steve Hammond

      Why do you keep on flooding this forum with your lame hypotheses and unfounded statements? Just wait until we can see a proper comparison between images taken with the D800 and D700!

      • Steve

        @ Anounymous

        First I’m not flooding, I am participating in a conversation based on what I read elsewhere too (read along).

        My statements are probably unfounded, and until we can have unbiased tests we won’t know. But stating things in a conversation that may or not be true is part of the game.

        And last, at least, I do not bash on other people comments anonymously as you do. So thanks for keeping respect to those you have an identity.

  • Brian

    What a missed opportunity not giving this camera the iPod/pad WT5 support.

    Maybe it’s due to power requirements, but what studio/landscaper wouldn’t want to be able to control/interact with this camera with the phone in their pocket?!

  • AXV

    Interesting stuff:

    If the sensor sizes are accurate the D800 sensor is 861.6 square mm, vs 860.4 square mm on the D700.

    Viewfinder magnification is 2.77% smaller in the D800, but now you can see 100%

    Is the flash a commander too? It doesn’t mention that…

  • tomtoms

    My theory is they D400 will have an FX sensor, and may be more of a D700 replacement.

    • Doug

      dream on.

    • http://www.bcwilson.com Brandon

      I just don’t see the evidence for a D400. I really don’t think this one is going to happen.

    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/sets/ Jan F. Rasmussen

      I hope not… I want a better DX than D7000, so I seriously hope D400 is it…

      • anon

        See i used to think that there would always be a place in the pro market at least for some sort of pro/semi-pro DX camera, because nature photogs like the crop factor for getting closer to animals while keeping higher pixel density. Achieving this with FF camera before either took you to 5Mpx(d3) or had sub par ISO performance (d3x)… However with the release of this camera which has 15MPx in crop mode, ISO on par with the 12MPx full frame of the d3/700 generation, and 6 frames per second in crop (Yes i know less than the D700/d3), I see no need for a DX Pro body. The d800 makes a pro DX futile. The only thing a dedicated DX body would give is higher frame rate, but I would bet in future models we’ll still see frame rate improvements even with higher mpx. Use of new QXD cards, maybe?

        • steve

          You have to consider that a DX lens, even a good one, have less glass quality than any equivalent FX lenses. So your argument is a bit flawed.

          • Sebastian

            No.
            you scale down the lens (i.e., focal length and image circle), and the aberrations scale down, too.
            Physics is physics.

            • steve

              @ Sebastian

              What you are saying here is that a DX lens that sells for say $1000 has equivalent glass than an equal range zoom in FX format that sells for $2000.

              I just can’t believe that!

              And FX lenses have larger filter size than any DX lens, so there should be a bit more lights coming to the sensor, that is physics too.

            • anon

              @Steve

              How is my argument flawed?… yes… a DX lens isn’t as good as an FX PRO lens. I didn’t say it was…. My point was with this FX camera, you can still use DX lenses (if you have them) at a reasonable, actually, quite high resolution and can still crop an FX telephoto lens for wildlife to a DX size and still have some good detail all while getting great ISO performance. In additional to all that you can still make great use of the 14-24 as a 14-24 with 36 Mpx. I didn’t say anything about preferring DX over FX nor was anything in my post about quality of DX lenses vs FX lenses.

              So since my argument is flawed, what would be the point of a PRO DX body at this point, aside from maybe faster frame rate, which I already pointed out?

          • Steve

            @ anon

            Probably flawed was not the correct word to use, but I just wanted to point out that DX lenses will have their caveats. Sorry if I frustrated you, was not my intention at all…

            In fact, I have a few DX lenses and I’m seriously thinking that the 15mpx with d800 crop factor could offer me a good alternative to my current D90 if it performs better in low light than D700.

    • twoomy

      I don’t know what the model numbers will be, but it makes sense for Nikon to release a flagship DX model (D400) with the same/similar 24mp NEX-7/A77 sensor that Sony uses. I’m rather surprised that there’s no sign of it.

      But it also seems that Nikon will release a true D700 replacement (D4-sensor in a smaller body), but if history indicates pattern (D3->D700), you won’t see your D710 (or whatever they call it) for another year.

  • Jack

    The wait is finally over! I’m buying F6 :D

  • jodjac

    Is there someplace that one can go to download the users manual for the D800? I need some light reading material before I set off for bed.

  • http://ronscubadiver.wordpress.com Ron Scubadiver

    If you are looking for a D400, you are out of luck. It will probably be a D8000.

  • D400

    When is the Nikon D400 launching, Nikonrumors?

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

      You will see a post here once I get reliable information.

      • Steve Hammond

        Don’t you have anything yet?

        Any guess at Nikon releasing an FX body with the same sensor of the D4, like they did for the D700/D3s?

  • MichalK

    My Impressions…

    I am a NPS member and just returned from a session where I was able to test out the D800, in comparison with to my D700. I also tested out the D4 few weeks ago…

    I am a wedding photographer so I was looking/testing the features that I consider important.

    First ISO (as most of my images are 2000 plus):
    D800 is better then D700 (slightly) despite some other opinions like Cliff’s etc… The main difference is how it retains detail… Noise, of course you have noise but the images at 3200 as well as 6400 had better detail, sharpness and contrast and dynamic range then the ones from D700 at those setting. So in my opinion, the D800 is about half a step better in ISO then D700
    D4 – 6400 ISO is good 12800 is usable…

    Sharpness:
    No brainer, the image on D800 are surgical… But so are the once from my D3s, D3, D700… I believe sharpness is in the glass. Very few people here will be printing extra large prints to actually see the difference.

    Focusing:
    Faster then my D3s or D700! Accuracy? Hard to tell until I take it to a dim reception hall but where I was it focused spot on every time…

    Shutter:
    Quite and sounds bit more solid to the D700

    Ergonomics:
    D800 feels bit better in my hands. The new grip (as well as the one on the D4) fits my hand better, it feels like you have a bit more space for your fingers… The button layout is insignificant…

    So from my perspective, I ordered both the D4 and D800 – but the D4 will be used 80-90% at the time… I will only use D800 for portraits of the couple & detail shots to take the advantage of MP when cropping.

    However to be honest, Unless you NEED video mode or you are printing A1+ size prints, the D700 does the pretty much same job! And I am keeping and will continue shooting my D700.
    There is a reason after all why they priced that at $3000… Anything higher then that, and the sales would suffer because people know the difference for “common” user is close to none…
    So if you don’t get your hands on a D800 straight away, don’t feel like you are missing out.

    Thanks

    • Steve

      @MichalK

      Lucky you!

      Based on your experience with D700. how are you expecting the D800 to perform in low light such as music shows for example?

      • MichalK

        @ Steve

        If you are using zooms (2.8f) it will perform 99% of the time the same.

        I would envision however that if you put 85mm 1.4G in it, increase the stutter speed a stop or so and then crop the image lets say 50%, you would get better results as you would have sharper image due to faster shutter speed and better glass… without any loss in resolution for output final image.

        I was stress this! To take an advantage of the D800, you NEED good glass… Maybe that is another “pricing strategy” from Nikon, to suck people i buying “cheap” D800 and kinda forcing them to buy expensive glass.. IMO

        MK

        • Steve Hammond

          @ MichalK

          You are making me change my mind a bit there… If true, that is impressive more than I was thinking of… Would you recommend the D800 or the D800E? That is something that really puzzle me, really! I do not see why Nikon has decided to make two model with such non-obvious differences…

          I am in a situation where I could buy a used D700 and upgrade my DX lenses as I go, or buying a D800 and use it with all my lenses, still upgrading to better lenses as I go. I have the 70-200 f2.8 with the 1.4x and 2.0x plus the 50mm f1.8 that can be used in FX mode no problem.

          Even with the crop sensor in DX mode, my 2 f2.8 DX lenses could give good results. Anyway, I’ll probably keep my D90 for a while too.

          • Anonymous

            Steve,
            If you can afford it, go for the D800. If you want to save the $1000 or so and put it towards good glass, then get the D700. D700 + good glass will be better than D800+so so glass, everything else given the same. D700 is a mighty fine camera, it was that a week ago and still will remain in the near future. However, MichaelK’s explanation on how you can use D800’s enormous number of pixels to your advantage should nudge you towards D800, if you absolutely wanted a tie-breaker.

            Good luck and enjoy whatever you decide to buy.

            • Steve Hammond

              I’m in anyway, heading towards upgrading my DX lenses to FX lenses and probably go with Nikkor lenses, not trying to save 10 bucks on Sigma or Tamron lenses. They are probably good too, but I saw that in Lightroom and Photoshop, the lens profile are more difficult to find.

              Anyway, D800 will be available in quantity in only 6 months or so, I have time to think about it.

          • MichalK

            @ Hector

            Thank you.

            @ Steve

            D800 or D800E.

            I tested out the D800 – there was no D800E available.

            Despite overall public opinion, I believe that D800 is a camera “focused” on fashion(studio) and product photography. Thats why the comments like slow frame rate etc etc are just stupid.

            Now D800E is even more “specialised” camera. I can not honestly imagine a situation (in my line of work or general use or even semi-pro use) where the D800E would benefit. And if you consider the risk of moire… I think D800E is purely for landscape photographers…

            IMO Nikon is trying to get involved in “fashion” industry a bit as this is dominated by Canon (well Hasselblad) but I’m comparing Nikon to Canon as these two are in direct competition. The option of D800E is only a natural variance to promote “even more” resolution and sharpness…

            Steve, if you do not have D700 yet… Buy D800, however be prepared to invest in some primes…

            • Steve Hammond

              @ MichalK

              Thanks for the advise and comments. I will certainly consider the D800, in fact I am, otherwise I would not read all those pre-reviews and specs on the Internet.

              In terms of lenses, probably my next buy will be the 24-70mm f2.8, to replace my Sigma 18-50 f2.8. I will probably look at primes, such as a macro one (possibly the 105mm f2.8) and eventually the 85mm f1.4. I saw a few pictures with the last one, this is impressive.

              But since I’m not a professional, I have to space out my buy of gears, they do not pay for themselves!

      • Martin Rock

        With my D700, I always used primes lens like AF-S NIKKOR 50mm and 80mm f/1.4G. I also use a Zoom 70-200mm f/2.8G VR II that allows me a certain amount of leeway. You must use the best lenses available to take advantage of the 36 million pixels of d800. Good luck !

    • HectorMA

      These are the most informative comments on this whole thread. Thanks Michal for calling it just as you experienced it. I will hold on to my D700 because at 20×30″ prints I am just fine at this point. The glass is really the MOST important key all things being equal. I will complete my “Nikon Lens Trinity” and be happy with that for the next couple/three years.

      Best wishes to all and by the way, physics are physics!

    • http://www.davegosine.com Dave

      I do agree with you HectorMA, this is the most informative comments on this thread.

      Also as MichalK points out, good glass is the key. Just invest in the glass and once you have the FX lens you are happy with, upgrade the body if you don’t already have a FX Body.

      So I used to look funny with a D40 and a 14-24mm f/2.8 lens attached, but when i upgraded to the D700 i did not have to change all my lenses.

  • csharp

    Admin – I second that question, when is the D400 announcement expected to be announced!

    • frAnk

      You didn’t get their memo?

  • Joaquim Prado

    they should replace the D700 with another camera and rate at USD 2k !

    • Steve Hammond

      +1, I personally don’t need 36 MP, a D700s with the D4 sensor would be more than enough for my need. At 2K, it is sold :)

      • MichalK

        Steve

        D700 with D4 sensor would be a dream come true for me as well… But I doubt Nikon will do the same “mistake” again. Although it was a calculated mistake to attract the masses and swing sales toward the Nikon brand.

        However if you are or will be waiting for some d700 body with d4 sensor in some other variation in near future, I am very doubtful that will ever happened…

        • dogiii

          +1. wish it happened but unlikely in the near future or at all. the d4 is too expensive for me and i can get a good deal on the d3s so saving up for that atm. thanks for a very informative write up btw.

        • Steve Hammond

          @ MichalK

          I am, too, probably sure it won’t happen.

          I’d like to read more about your thought of what you call “the same mistake”.

        • Tom

          Indeed, looking at the D800 price point it’s hard to imagine Nikon squeezing D4 sensor into something at below $3k. But perhaps they will see that there is a market for and profit to make with such a camera. I would buy D4 sensor at a D800 price. Judging from D800 lag and mirror-up times and low-light ability of AF I think that there is a chance…

          • fifi

            Wouldn’t we all like to have a car with performance of Ferrari 599, comfort of a Bently, economy of Toyota Prius hybrid, oh, and of course with price tag of Fiat Punto?????

  • shm

    What I did like about the D700 and still like is the fast shutter lag of just 45ms. That and the FullFrame has help me to take some wonderful photos and still is. I also like the 8Fps I get when I have a battery pack. I have some fast kids I photograph ;-).

    I will wait to make up my mind. If the D800 has a similar or better shutter lag then the D700 and the ISO performance is on par with the D700, then it is a done deal.

    • Luis

      I think I read that the shutter lag was only 120ms.

  • Claude

    Thanks steve for the information, it is anyway better to wait for the first test in field but i share the common opinion hard to compare the two. I may switcht to D3S since D4 is not reachable.

  • ArthurNava

    As far as I’ve seen, the ISO 6400 shots from the D800 look really good. I would like to see a direct comparison between D700 and D800 ISO, but there’s no doubt in my mind that the D800 is on par or slightly better quality. In any case this confirms it, my next camera is definitely going to be the D800. I do a lot of product photography and rent a Phase One System sometimes for the added pixel dimension of the files, and reproducing large prints. The 36 MP’s for me are definitely welcome. Let’s hope for an improvement in dynamic range, although I know this camera will never equal a medium format cam in that department. In any case mainly I’m going to the D800 because of the built in flash.

  • Nathan

    It’s really too bad you can’t officially change the focusing screen in both cameras.

  • per

    Comparing DxO Mark scores for the D7000 and D700, the D700 has about one stop better high iso performance – corresponding to the difference in sensor size. With the D7000 having the same pixel density as the D800, and given one more year of sensor development, it is to be expected that the D800 will have slightly better high iso performance than the D700.

    • Martin Rock

      Yes, I agree.

  • Dweeb

    GPS should read “NO — expensive bulky optional unit and cables required” on both cameras.

  • Tom

    OK, so when is the D4 sensor in D800 body coming?
    Judging from the lag and mirror-blackout times on D800 it mechanical guts are capable of more than 4fps (not that it’s the most important thing to have xxxfps in a camera, just saying). We know that the AF is capable of it, too. So why not make something a little bit faster, both fps and iso? Could you comment on that, Nikon. Not necessarily now, we can wait until that pile of after-the-flood-refurbished-D700’s is gone at a discount ;)

  • dj

    same camera, ones got 36 trillion pixels, other 12mpx..stick to d700

  • Hordy

    I think that a lot of people here are lost because the D800 IS NOT the “new” D700 that’s simple as that. The D800 is a D3X with vid.

  • Andreas Malek

    Hopefully used price for D700 will drop too…

  • Martin Rock

    I have a D7000 and I had a D700 (sold in October :)) The D7000 is excellent but I didn’t get the image quality and the subtle and fine grain of the Nikon D700 and particularly to ISO 1600-3200. According to Low light samples I’ve seen of the D800, it surpasses the D700 in all cases. I’m preparing to sell my D7000 because I preordered the d800 which is actually a combination (to a lesser extent) of the D7000 (DX crop mode DX lens), D700 and D3X. I imagine he will score more than 85% on site DPreviews.

  • Allen

    hm, did i miss this: 36mp is not even 70% image increase comparing to 12mp. and 16mp over 12mp means only 10% increase. “1 x 1.5 m” poster viewed from the distance of one meter is no problem for a 12mp sensor if the photographer behind it knows the ropes. in right hands no camera is obsolete:)

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