An update from http://nikonrumors.com/ looks like some real shots of the long rumored Evil mirrorless system! What do people on this forum think about the design and colors? Anybody considering buying this setup when it finally becomes available? I'd be interested in the weight as well as trying it to see just how good the image quality is. It must be super light I bet. The shot in the photo mentions the lens shown is likely a 18-5mm lens. Gotta love Nikon! :)
Nikon Evil Camera Update + Would You Buy One?(32 posts) (18 voices)
Considering that it still has a mirror box, I'm not sure how it would qualify as being EVIL...
I actually don't mind the idea of the mirror box, but I miss the viewfinder less than I thought I would when using the NEX. From the patent filings, I think I remember it having an electronic viewfinder instead of a mirror in front of the sensor, so it would still be EVIL. What I do miss with a mirrorless is phase-detected AF.
I would love an NEX-5-like Nikon mirrorless that would AF with f-mount lenses (at least AF-S but a built-in AF motor would be fantastic and worth spending more for the adapter).
It looks like a cheap toy.
I should mention one more thing. If it's got a smaller sensor than APS, I'll pass for sure.
Looks pretty fugly and quite big. No thanks.
I would like it ONLY if its a underwater camera. Which looking at the pictures and seals of this camera, It just seems like its a camera that can be put under water. I dont believe that this is a EVIL system but a whole camera that is released just for underwater like the Nikonos film camera. If the rumor is true, and this is the new EVIL system, i think nikon made a huge mistake of designing it so fugly.
WTF is it? I think I could melt a box of zip-lock bags that look better than that thing. I wouldn't buy that ugly thing no matter how good the photos it took would be.
It looks like a concept camera rather than a working model. The pic appears to be a showcase proposition rather than an answer to a photographer's wishes.
I don't like the small sensor of the other EVIL models. It is too limiting.
I wish to see a focusing capability built inside the camera body, which would allow the use of every type of Nikkor lens ever made to auto-focus (by setting the lens to infinity), alongside a 35mm FX sensor and e-viewfinder.
Nikon needs to provide an innovative edge, not to follow trends set by Canon, Sony, Olympus and Panasonic.
I kid above but after buying my parents an EP1 I'm really not all that convinced that it is really all that much better than my G11. The smaller sensor DOF is deep and the VR isn't any better than many P&S. Software has caught up with noise numbers so much that you really have to have a major improvement over a P&S to make a difference.
An evil model would be my second go-to camera and to spend the money it either A) Have to take current Nikon lenses or B) Unbelievable Low Light performance - better than the Sony. I could add C)If it had allot of Pancakes. It is a chunk of cash that could go into a lens upgrade for me. If it was like a Leica LX1 with interchangeable Prime lenses I would sell allot of stuff for that.
I think it will be a great option for those who are wanting something smaller than a D3100 but with better IQ. I see it going the path of Panasonic GF2 - more P&S set up than a DSLR step down - which is ok.
I don't like it- it looks unfinished and it probably is. I'll worry about it when it comes out.
I'm sort of in the camp of Nikon interchangeable lens + pocket + all weather [think rafting/fishing] cameras. I would like to whittle that down to 2 lines, but haven't had the will/desire to do that.
The Nikon in question doesn't look like either a weatherproof or pocket-able camera, and frankly, without meaning to ruffle feathers, Nikon hasn't had a lot of hits in the consumer line. Some of the Nikon consumer cameras I've bought out of loyalty to the brand have been less than stellar performers and were gifted to the children quite quickly.
We have a Canon SD 780 IS for pocket (a very nice and reliable model) and an elderly Weather proof Olympus which is coming upon its retirement this Xmas.
So the short answer for me, anyway, is I likely don't see any reason to to get the camera.
So... pretty much you guys want a small digital Nikonos?
That'd be really cool in my opinion.
Yes the image posted looks like a test prototype to gather public interest. It seems to be designed along the lines of the new colored Pentax K line :
Samsung seems to getting into this trendy market as well. I am like Nikos and Jonnyapple, I'd pass on a smaller sensor. The only thing that maks me curious is the overall weight of the camera, and I'd like to see the image quality. I'm 80% sure that I wouldn't buy one though.
I do not think I would.
Those are old "concepts". They are not production bound.
This thing goes beyond fugly, we need a new word for it.
Actually the sad part of the whole thing is, some "designer" actually a) thought this was good and b) got paid. I'll take $50 worth of whatever they were on.
I AM IN THE WRONG BUSINESS!!!
Yes whats wrong with just black or silver bodies only? Please ignore the idiots asking for rainbow cameras!
i would rather have this then a pink D7k.
Anybody considering buying this setup when it finally becomes available?
I tried the Sony NEX, but it felt so unbalanced with the 18-55mm that I passed. Takes nice images though, up to ISO 3200 and the bokeh is round and beautiful.
If I want to take photos, I´ll lug my DSLR kit around. Period.
Isn't that special D7k in pink can you imagine? Or how about a new D700x in these concept camera colors? I'm sure that would go over really well with Nikon shooters. I'll be really disappointed if DSLR bodies become some fashion show like some companies do with their new models. Nikon is too great to allow this to happen I think though :)D
Okay, I was going to post this in the Sony "transluscent mirror" (A77) thread, but it's actually off-topic. What's the deal with EVIL? What are the benefits? Why would anyone want one, other than in a point-and-shoot? But, in a pro camera? Why? Okay, so you get rid of the mirror box. So what? Any smaller form-factor than current DSLRs would be difficult to hold and shoot. I guess we would have slightly shorter lenses?
Also, the optical viewfinders on 35mm film SLRs are still vastly superior to the optical viewfinders on DSLRs (and why are DLSR viewfinders so crummy?). Why would anyone want an EVF (even a fancy OLED one) instead of an optical one? Why degrade a first-surface mirror's reflectivity even more by replacing it with a beam-splitter? To have continuous auto-focus in video mode? Serious filmmakers pull focus manually anyway. I just don't get it.
1. In-camera stabilization (can't a non-EVIL camera do that?)
2. Slightly shorter lenses.
3. Higher FPS.
1. Too small.
2. No optical viewfinder.
I just don't get it.
Being even more cynical...
I'll go with the market led theory of product trends... What I'm saying by this is that Nikon must come out with an EVIL line of cameras to keep up with the rest of the heavily marketing influenced world (C*non, S*ny, etc, etc.) we live in now.
Remember the profits from high margin cameras contribute to R&D and mitigate relatively low margin (as a %age) more expensive to make models. If they can push out a half decent small, EVIL camera that sells in huge numbers (not necessarily as 'pro' cameras) Nikon will have some happy business masters, that mainly care about stock prices/costs/overhead containment/bonus payments, etc...
I'd guess we will eventually see some bleed-over of technology in time (from EVIL to DSLR), but photographers who want D3 type cameras will not be the primary target for the EVIL, at least in version 1.
As you present the argument, studio460, I'm with you 100%.
But I think you present it from too narrow a point of view.
Consider an EVIL camera a new option, not a replacement for a SLR or a P&S.
Lenses also could be significantly smaller. Smaller than Leica rangefinder lenses if a crop sensor is used. As has been said on here before we never have (or will) see the true potential of a crop sensor when it comes to lens miniaturization because of design restrictions imposed by legacy flange depth. EVIL would not suffer this.
Me? I'm a black&white guy. I have little desire (at this point) to see the pie sliced ever thinner.
Just saw bjrichus' post. Valid point #2.
One thing I love my NEX for is that I can get lens movements with a homemade $10 bellows and my Nikon lenses because of the shorter flange-to-sensor depth. Sony got the third-party lens manual focus help right—it's like a view camera with a loupe brought up with one button press. Lensbaby sells a tilt-only solution for nikkor on NEX, but with a tilt/shift adapter done right I think there would be a market for landscape photographers. In that situation small is good.
Oh, and depending on the price and performance, the rumored e-mount Zeiss 24 f/1.7 coming out this year is going to make for an amazing little setup. But, like testing123 mentioned, for most DSLR users this would be a supplement and not a replacement. (I say that but two siblings and a high school buddy completely sold off their SLR gear and bought NEX-5 kits after seeing what mine could do in stills and video. Every one of them has loved the change.)
As to your question, studio, the ergonomics of this camera as a video camera are not ideal, but neither are SLRs.
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