Nikon at the PhotoPlus Expo 2017 press release


Nikon already released their official press release for the PhotoPlus Expo 2017 expo - this means no new products will be announced for the show (as I already reported last week).

Here is the full press release:

Nikon Shows The Latest Innovations In Digital Imaging At The PhotoPlus Expo 2017

Nikon Continues 100th Year Anniversary Celebration at Upcoming Tradeshow with Product Displays, Ambassador Presentations, Panel Discussion and More

NEW YORK, NY – Nikon will once again return to the PhotoPlus Expo in New York City, offering attendees a compelling booth experience while providing educational presentations from respected Nikon photographers and Ambassadors at the Nikon Theater. Show attendees will also be able to experience Nikon’s latest products and view a dedicated display marking Nikon’s 100th year anniversary.

Throughout the show Nikon will highlight its extensive product line, headlined by the recently announced full-frame Nikon D850 DSLR. Attendees will have the opportunity to get hands-on time with the camera as well as speak directly with Nikon product experts. A variety of NIKKOR lenses will also be on display, including the new ultra-wide zoom AF-P DX NIKKOR 10-20mm f/4.5-5.6G VR, the AF-S FISHEYE NIKKOR 8-15mm f/3.5-4.5E ED, the wide-angle AF-S NIKKOR 28mm f/1.4E ED and the compact telephoto AF-P NIKKOR 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6E ED VR. Also on display will be the popular AF-S DX Micro NIKKOR 40mm f/2.8G lenses, which is paired up with the AF-P DX NIKKOR 10-20mm f/4.5-5.6G VR lens as part of the new Landscape & Macro 2 Lens Kit. Show attendees will also be able to go hands-on with the Nikon D7500, Nikon D5600, COOLPIX W300 cameras and a variety of other Nikon imaging products.What’s more, to commemorate Nikon’s 100th anniversary, the Nikon booth will feature an exclusive collection of prized Nikon cameras spanning the last century.Throughout the show, the Nikon Theater will host a variety of live presentations, plus Nikon will be sponsoring educational class sessions taught by various Nikon Photographers and Ambassadors. The presentations held at the booth will cover various topics including landscape photography, filmmaking, night photography and more. A full schedule of Nikon presentations at the Nikon Theater can be found below. Additionally, all presentations on Thursday, October 26, and Friday, October 27, will be livestreamed. Interested individuals should visit nikonusa.com/live to tune in.

Geared toward photography students and educators attending the show, Nikon and PDNedu will co-sponsor a panel discussion titled, “Creating a Sustainable Career” on Thursday, October 26 on the showroom floor from 2:00-3:30 p.m. EDT. Nikon Ambassadors Dixie Dixon, Deanne Fitzmaurice and Matthew Jordan Smith will discuss how to pursue careers in digital and photo imaging, and best practices for advancing and developing within an everchanging industry. The panel will include a Q&A session moderated by PDN Editor-in-Chief Holly Hughes, followed by a networking reception at the conclusion of the discussion.

Nikon at PhotoPlus Expo 2017

Where:  Booth #519 at The Jacob K. Javits Convention Center - 11th Ave. (between 34th & 35th St)

When:  Thursday, October 26, 2017: 10:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. EDT
Friday, October 27, 2017: 10:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. EDT
Saturday, October 28, 2016: 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. EDT

Schedule of Presentations at the Nikon Theater:

THURSDAY, OCTOBER 26, 2017 (also livestreaming at nikonusa.com/live)

  • 10:15am – 10:45am: Doug Gordon – The Posing Project
  • 11:00am – 11:30am: Matthew Jordan Smith – Commercial Portrait Photography – It’s All In The Details
  • 11:45am – 12:15pm: Mandy Lea – Shedding Light on Landscapes: Doing What It Takes to Get the Shot
  • 12:30pm – 1:00pm: Joe McNally – The Power of Portable Lighting
  • 1:15pm – 1:45pm: Corey Rich – Shooting Powerful Video: A Filmmaker’s Personal Project
  • 2:00pm – 2:30pm: Tamara Lackey – Photographing the Style, Soul & Laughter of Children
  • 2:45pm – 3:15pm: Andrew Hancock – Editorial to Commercial: Versatile Storytelling in the World of Sports
  • 3:30pm – 4:00pm: Bambi Cantrell – The Language of Light and Shadows for Impact
  • 4:15pm – 4:45pm: Lucas Gilman – Extreme Landscapes: Discovering the Art of Time-Lapse Movies

FRIDAY, OCTOBER 27, 2017 (also livestreaming at nikonusa.com/live)

  • 10:15am – 10:45am: Doug Gordon – The Posing Project
  • 11:00am – 11:30am: Josh Cripps – Lenses of Landscape: Breaking the Rules
  • 11:45am – 12:15pm: Andrew Hancock – Editorial to Commercial: Versatile Storytelling in the World of Sports
  • 12:30pm – 1:00pm: Dixie Dixon – The Best Kept Secrets of a Fashion Photographer
  • 1:15pm – 1:45pm: Jerry Ghionis – Wedding and Fashion Photography: Extreme Versatility
  • 2:00pm – 2:30pm: Joe McNally – The Power of Portable Lighting
  • 2:45pm – 3:15pm: Mandy Lea – Shedding Light on Landscapes: Doing What It Takes to Get the Shot
  • 3:30pm – 4:00pm: Adam Woodworth – Alone in The Dark: Tales of A Night Photographer
  • 4:15pm – 4:45pm: Deanne Fitzmaurice – The Heart of The Story

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2017

  • 10:15am – 10:45am: Steve Simon – Master the Street and Raise Your Game
  • 11:00am – 11:30am: Adam Woodworth – Alone in The Dark: Tales of A Night Photographer
  • 11:45am – 12:15pm: Tamara Lackey – Photographing the Style, Soul & Laughter of Children
  • 12:30pm – 1:00pm: Jerry Ghionis – Wedding and Fashion Photography: Extreme Versatility
  • 1:15pm – 1:45pm: Corey Rich – Shooting Powerful Video: A Filmmaker’s Personal Project
  • 2:00pm – 2:30pm: Dixie Dixon – The Best Kept Secrets of a Fashion Photographer
  • 2:45pm – 3:15pm: Lucas Gilman -- Extreme Landscapes: Discovering the Art of Time-Lapse Movies
  • 3:30pm – 4:00pm: Josh Cripps – Lenses of Landscape: Breaking the Rules
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  • Clifford Martin

    Someone please ask Nikon why the MB-D18 grip hasn’t been available in the USA, while it has been available in other parts of the world.

    • first shipment was just received in the US, shipping should start in the next 2-3 days

    • Chris Phillips

      I think the only place that have them is UK

      • Tony

        It would be nice if the UK could have some cameras to go with the grips

        • peter w

          some right boots to go with the left ones, as they thought in the Krim (1850’s)

        • br0xibear

          Well done Nikon, make a very good camera, it gets reviewed better than any camera I can remember…and then make it almost impossible for anyone to buy, lol.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/31d909d618f1578217cf246ae4894f078d54461a11a8cafbb4e0ea013fe28afb.jpg

          • peter w

            that’s the wrong man… I want to be standing there. Well, one is enough.

            (I remember standing in a shop near Rotterdam next to two pallets of D3 camera’s)

      • ITN

        Well this is not correct, they were available in September already in other European countries.

  • Eric Calabros

    Can’t wait for 2018… to see Nikon stop using “100th anniversary” in their press releases.

    • PhilK

      You must be very easily annoyed. 😛

      It’s an impressive milestone that very, very few companies still active in the industry can claim. Zeiss of course was founded in the 1800s, but they no longer make general-purpose cameras. Leica was started only ~4 years before Nikon.

      To my knowledge, the only other currently operating Japanese camera company that comes close is Olympus. (founded in 1919 to make microscopes)

    • Vosi

      Next year it will be the 101 anniversary. Such a great opportunity to celebrate. There always a good reason for celebration at Nikon.

    • Gosh1

      WRT Nikon and Zeiss, Voigtländer is the oldest. The company originated in the mid 1770s and made the first optics to be made to mathematically calculated designs in the history of photography. This was after 1839.
      Today, the excellent Voigtländer lenses are made by Cosina

  • no rumors = no announcements

    • peter w

      I thought it would be the other way round… 😉
      A good thing you are so confident.

      • there is always room for a surprise 🙂

        • We love surprises.

          • My hope is for a prototype or something behind glass. I don’t think there will be anything else because they will need another press release.

  • Eric Calabros

    What you’re waiting for? You can buy A7r2 for $2400, right now!

    • He doesn’t like Sony’s lens selection… 🙂

      • Eric Calabros

        Why? Other than fast tele lenses, almost everything is available in the lineup, and they’re​ top quality glass.

        • I think he needs tele lenses.

          • Eric Calabros

            Those who need tele, usually shoot things that need high fps, big buffer, minimum black out, near perfect tracking..etc. things are only available in A9. Nikon is not going to release A9 rival anytime soon.

            • ITN

              Well not everybody shoots high fps. They may prefer their own timing of shots.

              A9 has only one native long tele and that’s neither fast enough nor long enough for many. I think mirrorless is ill suited for long tele action (no one makes fast long autofocus lenses for any mirrorless camera and the reason is likely that they can’t get the intial focus acquisition to work well).

              For long lens action, a DSLR is a perfect match.

        • Vince Vinnyp

          No tilt shift, no fisheye no wide fast prime for astro. Great for wedding and portrait. Room to improve for travel, events and macro. A fair way to go for others.

          • Laowa 12mm + Laowa TS adaptor would make for a 17 mm TS lens. If third party would be okay .

        • Todd Davis

          Lol every lens from Sony is like $1800+

          Sony is delusional and out of touch with reality

          People just look at body prices and then claim they are lower priced

          But fail to take into consideration that buying a simple 50 1.4 costs you $1800

          Sony bodies may be cheaper.., Sony systems sure as hell aren’t

      • Eric Calabros

        I think people are delusional about Nikon FF mirrorless. First, it’s going to be expensive, because Nikon is “restructuring” to high profit margin products. $2k FF ILC can’t be described as high profit these days. Second, its not going to replace their top dog DSLRs, unless they are confident that THEIR OWN mirrorless​ will outsell THEIR OWN DSLR. Which I think is very unlikely. Third, most of AF-S lenses won’t behave on mirrorless as good as they do with DSLR system, even with a perfect adapter. So for most of people who do serious shoots with serious glass, its better to stick to the Dinosaurs.

        • Vince Vinnyp

          I don’t think they need to think the first release will outsell their DSLR they need to think that in the medium to long term mirrorless will outsell DSLR.They are making money, they are cash rich they can be in it for the long term.

        • Piooof

          If we leave aside sports and wildlife professionals, I bet Nikon’s FF mirrorless will do just fine for most people doing serious shoots with serious glass.

        • RC Jenkins

          I don’t think these are necessarily true.

          It doesn’t have to be ‘expensive’: longer-term, mirrorless cameras (esp. w/new mount) actually have a higher margin than Nikon’s DSLRs because they have far fewer precision moving parts to produce, manufacture, and support. No multiple mirrors, no focusing screen, no dedicated AF module, no pentaprism, no AI tab, no aperture lever, no power aperture, no AF motor, no precise alignment of all of the above, no recalls on light leaks, etc.

          Nikon’s $2k DSLRs may have a thin margin, but all of these parts have a base overhead that eat heavily into that margin. They do have to add an EVF and OSPDAF (and perhaps IBIS); and they can charge extra (hundreds) for high-end adapters that include those above parts and offer a lower-cost adapter as well for people who don’t need to support all lenses.

          It also doesn’t have to aim for the “top dog” DSLRs like the D5, D500, & D850–I believe they should target more of the D7xxx / D6xx / D7xx / Df user (or even below). Moderate performance. The differentiators would be:
          -a thin profile. Take it more places.
          -EVF…or maybe a hybrid EVF-OVF a la Fuji
          -Video
          -IBIS
          -Better lens adaptation & manual focus assists

          …all for the same (or even fewer) moving parts than the D3xxx series.

          Nikon used to make rangefinders–this could be a continuation. The above are all complementary to Nikon’s DSLR lineup–not competitive. Nikon should also start with lenses that support the above. Nice 35-50mm primes. Pancakes. etc.

          AF-S lenses can perform decently, but they don’t need to target amazing AF anyway. Eg. my AF-S lenses work fine adapted on my Nikon 1. Canon, Sony, etc. have all had success adapting lenses–even from other manufacturers. Offer me some cool features in the adapters. Tilt-shift. Other manufacturers lenses. Universal-fit rear filters. AF for MF lenses. etc.

          Remember that Nikon doesn’t just aim for people ‘who do serious shoots with serious glass’. The bulk of their sales don’t target these people.

          The main thing I ask of Nikon in a mirrorless is do something different & useful that complements DSLRs–don’t try to replicate what I use my DSLRs for.

          • ITN

            The development cost for high tech sensors (with fast readout) and new AF technology is extremely high and this is reflected in the prices of the high performance mirrorless cameras. The lenses will be expensive as well because the motors have to be able to achieve focus with light loads possible for stepper motors. Development of a complete (50-70 lens) lineup will take decades and cost a great deal of money and again the customers have to pay for it, and wait for it. The idea that mirrorless will be cheaper for the customer is ridiculous. It won’t be. Mechanical parts have been designed and manufactured for centuries and this art is mastered by Nikon. The mirrorless art is largely in the sensor technology and processing of vast amounts of data quickly and the cost of its develoment is easily greater than improvement of DSLR technology. Furthermore in mirrorless there are many more manufacturers competing for the buyers’ money.

            The use of dedicated cameras is in the decline and this means the overall pie will become smaller and divided into smaller chunks. Nikon wants to make products for advanced amateurs and professionals and the prices will be higher than we are used to. They are talking about industrial lens technology and very high performance optics and without doubt they will be more expensive than current standards.

            • RC Jenkins

              With regards to the R&D costs, I explicitly said “longer term.” Did you miss that? Also, this research is already happening.

              With regard to the stepper motors (which isn’t necessary for mirrorless), this is also already happening: AF-P. Canon, Sony, even Nikon lenses mounted on mirrorless cameras without stepper motors autofocus just fine for the shooting scenarios I listed.

              Development of a “complete” 50-70 lineup doesn’t take decades; nor are 50-70 lenses necessary for the shooting scenarios I listed; nor is this “complete” lineup necessary at all. Try 3-5 mirrorless lenses to begin with. That are useful. Nikon already has hundreds of lenses that can be adapted well. I’d bet Nikon’s 50mm F/1.8 & 35mm F/1.8DX have been some of their best sellers.

              micro four thirds began just over 1 decade ago in 2008. Here are subsets of lenses:
              http://hazeghi.org/mft-lenses.html
              http://www.four-thirds.org/en/microft/lense.html

              Fuji X began 5 years ago. Here’s its ‘official’ lenses:
              http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/xf_lens/roadmap/
              They’re useful.

              Canon EF-M also began 5 years ago:
              https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/lenses-flashes/ef-m-lenses-for-eos-mirrorless-cameras

              Not every potential lens from 10mm-1000mm needs to be designed immediately. Because who has & uses all of them?

              For those shooting scenarios, people will likely want something like a 24mm (very wide), 35mm (wide), 50mm (normal), 100mm (portrait/reach), and an all-rounder 24-70 zoom. Most people won’t buy all of them.

              The “mastering of mechanical parts” construction doesn’t make it cheaper than not having the parts in the first place. Do you think the D750 or D800 or D600 recalls were cheap? What happened to Nikon’s “mastering there?”

            • ITN

              The mechanical assembly can be inexpensive because robots can do it (Canon is already doing this but companies are conservative and probably don’t want to lay off so many people so quickly so they keep people involved). And there is added value in the form of the optical viewfinder and the far superior dedicated PDAF (superior in action tracking with fast teles).

              The costs of high performance mirrorless shouldn’t be underestimated; as the sensor and EVF resolution increases and as there is demand for larger sensors the difficulty of achieving fast readouts is increasing (and the power consumption goes up with increasing update frequency and resolution of both the sensor and the EVF). A cross-type phase detect sensor at every pixel would mean a 45MP sensor needs to be natively a 180MP sensor. If it is to do 9fps like the present D850, you have to develop new electronics that can handle the data. And the users always pay for that new electronics (really: the cost of the development of the new manufacturing technology and the cost of the sensor design and manufacture itself, plus the cost of the processing circuitry to handle the 180MP sensor data at 30fps for AF tracking). The new functionality doesn’t come for free. The A9 is expensive despite not having moving parts and it’s not a high resolution model.

              The lenses *do* need to have stepper motors or equivalently precise other types of motors because the famous static-subject accuracy of mirrorless depends on the finalising step using the real image data (CDAF) instead of the phase-detection signal which is weak in many cases. Contrast detect AF is very slow and imprecise if the motor isn’t well equipped to do those small steps very quickly and very reproducibly. Fast primes with SWM autofocus extremely poorly on Nikon 1, try an f/1.4 or f/2 tele on a fast approaching subject (such as a runner or skater). Furthermore the range of focus errors the embedded phase-detect sensors of mirrorless cameras can measure is narrow. If the subject is out of range, the system hunts for focus or takes a contrast detect step to get a gradient. The contrast detect step requires a stepper motor to give an accurate gradient. This is why Canon EOS fast supertele primes have a hard time finding initial focus even on the A9. After the initial focus is achieved the PDAF on the sensor works reportedly fine. But there is a fundamental problem in achieving that initial focus hesitation-free using fast superteles. This is why no one makes such lenses for mirrorless: they can’t get it to work in a way that would satisfy someone spending 10k€ on a lens intended to photograph fast action. In the future such technology may be successfully developed, at a cost to users who have to pay for it and of course buy the new lenses.

              If longer term mean after 30 years the technology switch is paid for, then maybe that is so. But I will probably not be shooting then, and can enjoy the DSLR tech and lenses that exists today, without paying extra for an industry change that doesn’t benefit me.

            • RC Jenkins

              You seem to claiming that the cost of:
              -Designing
              -Building
              -Assembling into camera
              -Aligning
              -Repairing under warranty

              …for the parts:
              -Main mirror
              -AF mirror
              -Mirror swing assembly / actuator
              -Focusing Screen
              -Pentaprism
              -AF Module
              -AF Motor
              -Aperture lever & swing assembly / actuator

              …are negligible?

              So what makes a D3400 cost significantly less than a D7200?

              And you also seem to be unable to comprehend that “Action tracking with fast teles” is not necessary for all shooting scenarios–certainly not in what I listed above for a mirrorless camera. Why does Nikon need “fast tracking with fast teles” in their first mirrorless camera? DSLRs beat mirrorless for this use case today. Do you understand that not every camera has to be able to do every scenario (like sports or wildlife) the best? Did you not notice that I explicitly listed differentiators? Do you think a Nikon D5 or Canon M5 sells better?

              Also, why does Nikon need a very high resolution sensor in their first mirrorless camera? (They don’t)

              I’m well aware of CDAF vs. PDAF. How did my adapted F lenses work fine for my shooting scenarios on my Nikon 1? How do adapted Canon lenses (without the stepper motor) work fine on mirrorless cameras? Are they living in some other realm of reality? Why are you comparing (hypothetical comparison) the AF performance to a DSLR with its native lenses? Do you think, perhaps, a lens can work less than perfect and still draw camera sales?

              What do you think “moderate performance” means?

              You should really learn to understand established scope and if you want to attempt to debate topics logically and intelligently. Everything you rambled on about is out of the scope that I explicitly defined.

            • ITN

              This is a sub-thread in answer to animalsbybarry’s request for a Nikon FX mirrorless and supertelephoto lenses. That’s why I’m bringing those lenses and their autofocus up in this discussion, because those are the products he is looking for.

              Of course making and designing DSLRs costs money but the fact that the lower and intermediate level cameras cost so little suggests that the manufacturing is really not that expensive. The fact that the A9 costs 5000€+ suggests that the equipment and technology required to make that sensor cost an extremely large amount of money. No moving parts doesn’t mean “inexpensive”.

            • RC Jenkins

              Nope. This is a sub-thread in response to my post above, which is a response to Eric Calabros. The only comment from animalsbybarry was “No new products = no new FF mirrorless camera = sad.” Nothing about long lenses or anything there–that’s a different subthread.

              You responded to me in this context.

              I never said a mirrorless camera would be “inexpensive”. I never used that word. You put double quotes there, but can you point out where I said that instead of lying?

              You’re the only one who said “inexpensive”–you said:
              “The mechanical assembly can be inexpensive because robots can do it”
              Which, according to what you just said is just plain wrong. Stop contradicting yourself.

              What I said is that mirrorless cameras can command a higher margin longer term than DSLRs. You seem to struggle with this elementary concept. May I suggest improving your reading comprehension skills?

              Also, why are you comparing a Sony A9? Again, completely out of scope.

              But if you want to compare, a Sony A9 is $4500 vs. a Nikon D5 at $6500–these two cameras are meant to compete. Similarly, a Sony A7 is $1000 vs. a Nikon D610 at $1500. Even then, taking a step back, what does any of this have to do with longer-term margin? (nothing)

              As I said, learn scope (and reading skills, apparently).

            • ITN

              I didn’t use those quotation symbols to indicate a quotation from you but to indicate that it’s far from inexpensive. It’s something that I’d do in spoken language as well. You seem to make an effort to accuse me of something, from lying to having problems in reading comprehension every time you respond to me. I would appreciate the common courtesy of polite manners.

              In order to help someone to whom you respond, who then responded to someone else, it helps to understand the whole discussion tree and the context the original question is presented. Below animalsbybarry says “A7Rii does not effectively autofocus long lenses…..and the long lenses don’t exist” indicating what his need for Nikon mirrorless is. He wants a Nikon mirrorless for long lens photography.

            • RC Jenkins

              If you want to discuss manners, look no further than your first reply to me. What do you think “ridiculous” means?

              As I said–what you’re referring to is a completely separate subthread and has nothing to do with this subthread. Further, I controlled the scope in my response to exclude those use cases.

              Let me repeat again what I wrote. Can you explain how you got ‘fast autofocus tracking with fast tele lenses’ and ‘high resolution’ and ‘high performance’ from this….?

              “It also doesn’t have to aim for the “top dog” DSLRs like the D5, D500, & D850–I believe they should target more of the D7xxx / D6xx / D7xx / Df user (or even below). Moderate performance. The differentiators would be:
              -a thin profile. Take it more places.
              -EVF…or maybe a hybrid EVF-OVF a la Fuji
              -Video
              -IBIS
              -Better lens adaptation & manual focus assists”

              “Nikon used to make rangefinders–this could be a continuation. The above are all complementary to Nikon’s DSLR lineup–not competitive. Nikon should also start with lenses that support the above. Nice 35-50mm primes. Pancakes. etc.”

        • thundrrd

          In this case I have to agree with Eric, First off, I think when Nikon does roll out a mirrorless, it will be the same type of roll out we’ve seen in the past from other companies like Sony, Fuji, or worse.

          What I mean is they will not have a large lens choice just as other companies didn’t have a large lens choice. So if animalsbybarry is looking for something he cannot get from Sony, he will be waiting a long time to get it from Nikon – imho.

          That is just my guess. If I cared about a mirrorless camera, I would be looking at what is already out there. In my opinion Sony is doing great work on the mirrorless side as is Fuji.

          The only thing is, I am not ready to make the change. What I am waiting for is this rumor I keep hearing about Nikon making an update to the D810. When will we ever see evidence of that?

          • PhilK

            Pray tell, why do you not consider the D850 an “update to the D810”??

            I’d say the D850 is an outstanding update to the D810.

            Or are you referring to some firmware update to fix a bug or something?

            • thundrrd

              Sorry PhilK, I was trying to make a joke about the D850 just being a rumor because you cannot find it in any store right now.
              Yes, it was a bad joke 🙂

            • PhilK

              Hah, OK. I think that one needed a smiley or something to give a hint. 😉

          • outkasted

            At the end of the day whether its mirror less or DSLR we just wish to produce wonderful images no matter what the apparatus. Like #tiredofchasing

            • thundrrd

              I think we have the opportunity today to produce ‘Wonderful Images’ no matter what the apparatus – I would include Cellphones in that – but would say it depends a lot on the skill of the user using the apparatus.

        • I have no plans on buying Nikon or any other mirrorless anytime soon, unless they do something really exceptional…. so yes, it’s good for Nikon to get back into the mirrorless market, but I personally don’t care really.

    • animalsbybarry

      I have A7Rii and D810

      A7Rii does not effectively autofocus long lenses…..and the long lenses don’t exist

      I will be getting the latest greatest high resolution camera in time for upcoming spring photography season

      I will be choosing the best choice between A7Riii/A9, Nikon Mirrorless or D850

      The D850 is available and has lenses

      The other 2 have not yet been anounced and no good long lenses are available for Sony (would need new long lens)

      Current Sony A7Rii is good for short lenses

      P.S.

      I need to choose which of my snake paintings is best for a juried submission…what does everyone thing ???

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e58e8998a282e46bcd24df4cfa07672383aa1b9197ce736ed288b66bf889a65d.jpg

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e34beb3e781a2ff2f64813863ebcfe4857938a00ea8adb5217c0780764c31dcc.jpg

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a971693bfbd1e4e9c173fa1e6d754a55a84fe3a690263e9d7fe53d4e4ac3880e.jpg

      • MiK Images

        Look at Eric Calabros comment below.
        And imho if your issue is AF, I dont’t think that Nikon will make better PDAF (mirrorless AF) in the first iteration of their FF mirrorless. Sad.

        • Jon Godfrey

          If anyone can… oh no, wait sorry…. that’s wrong… 😉

      • Allan

        1st – bottom snake
        2nd – top
        3rd – middle

        Barry, what species are these snakes?

        Thanks for sharing.

        • animalsbybarry

          Thanx
          I labeled them

          • Allan

            I, obviously, have not had enough coffee and chocolate this morning. Where are the labels?

            • Allan

              I refreshed my screen. Got it.

            • animalsbybarry

              I edited the original comment
              Labels are now below each painting

            • Allan

              I have carpets in my house. Should I be worried? 🙂

      • John Mackay

        Barry, have you seen Matt Grangers videos on the d850 buffer? It looks super disappointing at only around 20 shots in 14 bit lossless compressed. What are your thoughts? Also, I like the cobra!

        • I am getting 48-50 shots consistently with “only XQD” and 13-16 with XQD-SD(UHS1) combo. But strangely the buffer reading shows only 12 frames of remaining buffer in any case.

          • John Mackay

            It’s odd, I can’t find any but Matt with the problem, but he has tried a couple of d850s. I don’t think he’s incompetent, but I don’t think you are lying or that Nikon would lie. The xqd he is using is a top end lexar so it’s not the card.

      • Green tree python is my fav

        • thundrrd

          Bump!

      • PhilK

        I like the “Carpet Python” one the best, personally. 🙂

      • My choice.

      • Garlik

        “Carpet Python” is the best for me.

      • Tony Beach

        The second one.

    • Claude Mayonnaise

      I get the feeling that a lot of people assume Nikon is going to come out with the best mirrorless in the world and don’t even stop to consider they might just not be a company who can.
      companies specialize in certain products. Currently, Nikon specializes in DSLR’s. Currently, there is no indication they can excel at a mirrorless and create a better product that is already available. There’s no shame in admitting that other companies excel at something.

      • Eric Calabros

        The funny thing is Nikon didn’t even mention the word “mirrorless” in their annual report and expect 2018 a worse year than 2017 which means even if they release one, they don’t expect it to shake the market. In fact they don’t see it as a big deal at all.

        • Claude Mayonnaise

          DSLR vs camera phone is the same thing as Mirrorless vs camera phone.

        • BVS

          It’s easier to beat expectations if they set the bar really low.

      • PhilK

        You seem to have a regressive point of view.

        If the only things that an organization could be good at were the things that it was already good at (eg, old existing things), then nothing new and improved would ever be created. 😛

        As Henry Ford once said: “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said ‘faster horses'”. 😉

        • Claude Mayonnaise

          I think you misunderstood what I said. I mentioned “currently” a few times. They don’t offer a mirrorless product now. Why?
          Maybe they feel it’s not good enough or maybe they have other reasons. There are some great products out there right now. If Nikon brings out a dud how will that look. It needs to be excellent and maybe there is something holding them back.

          • PhilK

            I quote:

            “…they might just not be a company who can.”

            “Currently, there is no indication they can excel at a mirrorless and create a better product that [sic] is already available”.

            Seems fairly obvious that you are attempting to claim that a company somehow has to be known to be good at some particular thing that is new for them before they have ever attempted to produce such a thing.

            Makes no sense whatsoever.

            I think you should wait until a company actually attempts to produce something before you proclaim them incapable of producing a competitive one.

            After all, Nikon in fact turned out to be a pioneer in professional digital photography after never having produced a professional digital camera before. And the Nikon D90 was the very first DSLR to include the ability to shoot video footage. There are many similar examples.

            I don’t think Nikon should be proclaimed “incapable” of producing a competitive item in a new category just because they decided for whatever reason not to be a first entrant in that category.

            • Claude Mayonnaise

              They did enter the mirrorless world. It failed. That is one indication. Now that being said, I shoot Nikon so I am certainly on their side. Deep down I think they will come through. Actually, the more I think about it, I do think they are capable, but I’m not so sure their management has made the right choices such as the nikon 1 release.

            • PhilK

              You have to define “fail” in this context.

              Nikon 1 was apparently specifically tailored to avoid cannibalizing Nikon’s existing DSLR business. Instead, Nikon apparently hoped to find a niche market that turned out to be more or less nonexistent. There was no obvious flaw in the technology itself – in fact it was industry-leading in various ways.

              It is not reasonable to compare this to other companies which have no significant DSLR business to protect (eg Fuji and Olympus, and to a large extent Sony as well), and thus have no qualms about putting as many high-end features into their MILC products as possible.

              Another possibility is that Nikon viewed CX – all or in part- as a technology development platform, and as such was not that worried about sales numbers anyway.

              If on the other hand Nikon had tried to compete head-to-head with some other MILC product line and failed miserably, that would be a different matter. But I don’t see evidence that was the case.

              Even if it were, it would likely be more a matter of marketing failures, not technical failures.

  • Michiel953

    Why?

  • Diogo Sousa

    @NikonRumors:disqus Any idea if there are going to be more cameras announced this year? In particual the D610 successor?

    • Thom Hogan

      My guess is no. Nikon was shooting for one more camera release this year, but it got postponed is what I hear.

    • No new DSLRs, I expect Coolpix and mirrorless next.

      • br0xibear

        “I expect Coolpix and mirrorless next”…Before the D5s ?

        • I don’t know – have not heard anything on the D5s. I know January is the regular time for a refresh but don’t be surprised if it doesn’t happen.

          • br0xibear

            I’m sure it’ll be at the Winter Olympics, 9th Feb 2018.

            • I really think there is not much Nikon can improve on the D5…. plus I don’t see many people upgrading from the D5 to the D5s

            • br0xibear

              Yeah, but the same could have been said about the D4 to D4s.

            • Yes, but Nikon was selling many more cameras back in the D4 days.

        • Sawyerspadre

          Just curious, what should the D5s do, that a D5 doesn’t do? Maybe the refresh should be a D5x, with the D850 sensor in the pro body. Might be too soon for that…

          • br0xibear

            Usually the “s” update is just a bit better in certain aspects like iso noise and AF speed, it’s rarely anything dramatic. (although the D3 to D3s did add video).
            I’m 100% sure it won’t have a D850 sensor, it might have the brighter D850 pentaprism. I think they’ll stick with offering a choice of dual CF or dual XQD.

          • Exactly, that’s why I think Nikon may skip the D5s. The D5 did not sell that great anyway, I just don’t think how they can justify the D5s.

  • WoodyM

    Not going this year but have been to the PDN the last couple of years. Saw Joe McNally speak.. wow.. he pulled most over to the Nikon booth and maybe converted some Canon people over to Nikon.

  • Sawyerspadre

    This is off topic, but what’s the deal with Nikon parts? It seemed like for a while, you could buy rubber grips and easy stuff on their USA website. Now, everything is either gone from the site, or “out of stock”.

    I wanted to buy grips for D700, D300s, can’t get them. Even the D750 grip is not shown. Bought a cheap D300s grip from Amazon, and you had to apply the 3M tape yourself. Big hassle.

    Message to Nikon:

    WTF Nikon, I would think you could do a nice business selling lots of parts to all of us old cavemen who still cling to their DSLRs. You are foregoing the revenue, and creating unhappy customers. If they can’t buy simple parts, do you think that increases or decreases the likelihood we will buy another Nikon?

    Also many accessories are backordered. You can’t buy an MH24 charger, which only fits like a dozen of their cameras.

    If someone could ask them this in NY this week, it would be interesting to hear their answer.

    • Semaphore

      Production diverted to building up inventory for for their mirrorless roll out.

    • ITN

      Send your camera to repair at authorized service; they will have the parts. Nikon don’t want people doing DIY repairs.

  • Matt Comerford

    *scrolls to comments to see if anyone has D850 shipping updates*

  • ITN

    I don’t think it is expensive to have the grip replaced. In the US service costs are much higher than in my country but the US customers get the camera for less money. You get what you pay for, in the end. Depending on country, you can pay more when you buy it and get good service at low prices or pay less for the camera itself and then have to pay a lot for service.

    The reason Nikon don’t want you to do your grip replacement at home is because cameras with built in flashes may have exposed leads with high voltage in them even when the camera is off. In general the reason is quality control of repair but in the case of the grip the reason is just electrical hazard. Of course a few models don’t have pop up flashes and in those cases it would be safe. But the service cost is such little money and they have the proper tools it doesn’t make much sense to do it yourself IMO. Your mileage may vary and one can certainly argue for and against parts availability for the public.

    • Sawyerspadre

      I have replaced the grips on a D300s and a D700. There is no circuitry exposed when take the grip off. You only remove one screw, up inside the battery compartment. Yes, if you start removing screws that are under the grip, you can create problems.

      Any reasonably handy person can replace a grip, using the Nikon part. All the 3M tape is already on it, and ready to go. The only tedious part, is ensuring that you have all the old glue off the body.

      It takes minutes, literally. Why would I want to send my camera away for days or weeks, and pay 5x what the grip should cost? Time without the body, risk of shipping damage, it makes no sense to me.

    • Sawyerspadre

      By the way, what country are you in?

  • Ric of The LBC

    that’s ok. LR 6 users would be SOL anyway.

  • Gosh1

    Where are the long overdue FL / E upgrades of the legendary 200mm f2 and 300mm f2.8 Nikkors ?
    These need be ready by 9 February 2018, Pyeongchang – Winter Olympics….

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