Nikon D850 presentation slides (part 1)


I just received this set of Nikon D850 presentation slides that leaked in China earlier today. I did not see any major surprises from I have been already reporting for months. Here are the first set of slides:

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  • silmasan

    YASSSSSSS

  • Ed Hassell

    Fantastic!!!!!

  • Nice to see ISO 64.
    Look at that big beautiful viewfinder, it’s the size of Texas 😉

    • Eric Calabros

      We expected less, but nothing to whine here

      • Sonyshooter

        Native!
        Extended down to ISO 32.

        • Brent Rawlings

          I’ve always wondered if there are any drawbacks to using the Lo-1,-2,-3 settings other than having to keep the shutter speed up or using a tripod to reduce camera shake? If not, why not post the ISO range without the Lo-1, etc values?

          • Thom Hogan

            Yes, there is a drawback, as I outline in my books: basically you need to be using ETTR very carefully. The LO ISOs are exposed exactly the same as the base ISO. The base ISO protects highlights slightly, particularly because the highlight data goes a bit non-linear on those sensors.

            • Brent Rawlings

              Thanks for your replies.

          • akkual

            I am not an expert, but this is my “best guess” based on the little I know about image sensors.

            In digital sensors, you have wells (pixels) that capture photons and translate that to electrical voltage/charge. Voltage is very small, so there is an amplifier for each well to increase the voltage, which is then translated by the CPU to a light value of a pixel on your memory card.

            When you change the ISO value, you are actually controlling how much amplification is used.

            At low ISO value, the amplification is small, meaning that more photons must hit the well (pixel) for it to produce visible pixel on the memory card. But your amplification is small, so you get the best presentation of the reality from the sensors (less noise). Also, the amplification circuit has more room to work, so you get higher dynamic range before the amplification starts to clip out your darks or highlights.

            At high ISO value, the amplification is ramped up and less photons need to hit the well to produce visible image and you can take photos in darker environment. On downside, you start to get noise, as you have less information (less photons) you are amplifying and lose dynamic range as the amplification circuit has less room to work with.

            On the base ISO in theroy, the amplification is at its “smallest” possible value, giving you the best possible quality (noise & dynamic range). That is why there is this base ISO and then possible Lo1,2..s.

            I have two guesses on how to implement one:
            1) The base ISO is not (for some reason) the lowest possible amplification, but the “best quality” amplification. Lo1,2,3 settings then will lower the amplification, but it will produce somewhat worse quality (I’d assume mostly visible on color depth).

            2) The Lo1,2,3 modes are made with software (as are Hi1,2,3s). Either by fiddling the amplification or by fiddling the values read from the sensor. My guesses for Lo1,2,3s are that either they somehow limit the time photons are collected to the wells, effectively creating a software controlled ND-filters, OR, they actually use the base ISO and manipulate the read values to correspond lower ISOs, effectively do automated -1EV etc postprocessing to your image.

            Either way (or any other way), in theory some quality is lost when using Lo1,2,3s vs. the base ISO. In practice with modern sensors, the difference will be mostly neglicable, but you might end up blowing your highlights or darks more easily on Lo1,2,3s than on base ISO (have less DR that is) and maybe some loss on color rendering. But I might be completely wrong here, as I have never been implementing a DSLR. All I know is a little bit of semiconductor technology.

            • Joaquim Gonsalves

              Thank you so much for the info buddy.:) Crazy what those tiny things can do in a matter of nanoseconds!

        • sickheadache

          The D810 can do the same.

    • Young

      That sensor slide says no low-pass filter, same Expeed5 Processor as D5, and 64-25600 ISO with Lo1(32) & Hi2(108400).

    • geofflivingston

      The D810 offers ISO 64.

    • sickheadache

      It can go to 32 iso.

  • Carlos Enrique Milano

    Don’t speak freaking Chinese

  • Lost Traveler Nick

    that’s all greek to me

    • Alexandros Logaras

      Haha I’m Greek and we say “it all seems Chinese to me”

      • 24×36

        Heh where’s that “laughing so hard I’m crying” emoji when you need it?

  • NikonFanboy

    super…exciting

  • silmasan

    OK since it’s a new grip, I was thinking that maybe, just maybe… they’d include RF trigger in it… but so far it looks like just another battery grip. :-/

    • Alexander Gray

      You’ll get a Bluetooth remote.

      • soo

        For the cost of one they better include one

  • Eric Calabros

    So as I predicted the bigger OVF housing was just made so for a bigger prism. But its cool to see Nikon bragging about that with comparing it with a Canon body

    • Yes, no EVF or hybrid VF, just like I reported earlier.

      • sickheadache

        Another failure of that Angry large dude Photographer..Who insisted it was going to be a hybrid…Let me rubbed that in..Lol

        • he is a clueless troll, watch him today repeat the slides I posted here as his own info coming from a “trusted source”… such a BS

          • sickheadache

            Lol

          • SGG

            agree – he repeats the info as it is coming from his own trusted sources… btw, Peter – you have enough new info to update the D850 specs page

            • I will update the specs – still working on the translation.

    • silmasan

      Yeah their flagship no less!
      1D X series .76x
      5D series .71x
      built-in flash not missed

      • sickheadache

        Never ever, ever never would I use camera flash..Pussies only use flash on a camera…Lol

        • Yeah, especially when your radio trigger goes bust and you use good old optical CLS..

          • sickheadache

            I Dont use any flash in my photography… Natural Shade. Never ever. Excellent Sigma Art Primes help also…

            • ZoetMB

              There are times flash is needed. I shoot a lot of music shows and sometimes when it’s a small venue or bar, there’s almost no lighting on the stage. I was at a show like that last night. Even at max extended ISO setting on my D810, I couldn’t really get anything. At 2.8, the exposure was 1/25th of a second and it looked like complete crap anyway. Not that the venue would have let me shoot with flash anyway, but you get the idea.

          • Hoang Nguyen

            Have yet to have a trigger go bad, but that’s also why we have backups right? 😛 I tape my on camera flash down with gaffer’s tape, so I am very glad that they got rid of it.

            • Of course, optical CLS WAS my backup 😉 I did have issue with triggers once.

        • ZoetMB

          Not as a flash, but it was useful as a trigger to other flashes.

  • Mike A

    .75X Magnification! Impressive

    • silmasan

      About the same as F6 I think? Yep that one’s .74x

    • Bryan Szucs

      I’m horrible at this, other than a better number, can you explain what a difference this magnification would be versus the current one in the D810 or D5?

      • silmasan

        Well your subject will just look a bit bigger to your eye which is always nice.

      • Michiel953

        Look at the slide. D810 is 0.70, so it’s an almost 10% bigger viewfinder.
        That might be a problem if you small eyes though.

        • Fiatlux

          Bigger magnification can come at the expense of eye relief (and conversely: the famous F3 HP had lower magnification).
          But let’s not complain about that promising camera yet, I’m sure we’ll do as soon as the price is announced 😉

          • Michiel953

            I don’t wear glasses but am slightly nearsighted (- .75 or so). I adjust the diopter and it all works fine.

        • nwcs

          The problem will likely be for people who must wear glasses. Unless there’s decent eye relief.

          • akkual

            Umm.. as someone who wears glasses, bigger viewfinder is always better. They allow much more freedom on how you look into the viewfinder, where as small one requires you to be in exact angle to get any decent info out. And getting to that exact angle may require you to jam glasses into your eyeball.

            • nwcs

              Well, I wear glasses too 🙂 The bigger the viewfinder the more you can’t see all at once and have to move yourself around to see the corners and the shooting info at the bottom. But eye relief is a big factor in that as well. The D750 was much nicer than the D800 in that department.

            • akkual

              I prefer my old D700 vf and D800/D810 vf any day over my D750. It’s actually one of the main reasons I kinda regret getting D750.

        • Most probably larger AF spread too as a result.

      • JXVo

        Nicer to look through. Easier to compose with. Easier to use in crop mode. Easier to discern focus when focussing manually. All good.

    • VanHoff

      ♥♥♥

  • 153point AF from the D5 right?

  • Allan

    Caucasians in Chinese slides.

    Hmm.

    • Lost Traveler Nick

      Because you’d expect different photos for each country?

      • El Aura

        It would be what is called attention to detail.

        • Lost Traveler Nick

          Since when? Historically the manuals etc had nothing but Japanese models. All the Japanese companies did that.

          • El Aura

            I meant that if they had customised these images to be different in different regions around the world, this customisation work could be labelled as ‘attention to detail’.

  • Eric Calabros

    Tell me that bug picture is not about focus stacking.. can’t handle that much excitement

    • Definitely looks like it…

    • Tung Cheung

      It has auto focus stacking from the point of focus to infinity

      • Eric Calabros

        Thank you brother

        • Tung Cheung

          Oh shot, correction, stacking is done by other software not by the camera!

          • Eric Calabros

            Not a problem for me. Please check that slide about on-sensor filter thing

          • I will start collecting your translations and will do another post. Thanks!

          • akkual

            So the camera does the focus adjusting automatically? That is nice addition.

  • mark meerdam

    45,7MP, 9fps, 51 buffer, touch menu operation, no dual pixel ?

  • Touchscreen that works with menus…

  • Chris Phillips

    Is that 9 the FPS? IF It is it will be Awesome

    • Eric Calabros

      7 fps, 9 with grip.. they finally gave us a reason to buy their overpriced grips 🙂

      • Chris Phillips

        I dont see a 7 in there how do you guys know its seven without the bloody grip???

  • Allan

    So, is the grip a new one?

    • Bryan Szucs

      Looks like it

    • JXVo

      Yes. MB-D18

    • sickheadache

      Yes ..the old ones will not fit..Plus the new grip has a toggle button..

  • Ben Brayev

    so it will be 7fps without grip, 9fps with grip and will have a 51 14bit raw buffer?

    • Michał Piotr Stankiewicz

      Looks like it.

    • Seb

      I seem to understand 9fps with the EN-EL18a in the grip, ala D700

  • br0xibear

    Give me a minute, lol…

    45.57 MP
    9 frames per sec high speed continuous (when used with MB-D18 battery pack)

    ISO64 – 25600
    153 AF points
    0.75x optical viewfinder

    • NikonFanboy

      buffer 51? for 14bit raw?

    • Chris Phillips

      I dont see a 7 in there how do you guys know its seven without the bloody grip??

      • mark meerdam

        last slide says at the top 9 …chinese stuff …7

        • Chris Phillips

          Thanks I missed that….

    • br0xibear

      Can’t tell anything from the images of the actual body, no shots of the prism to see what that button/port/lever thing is.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/26e9f7b1220785d607cbf5fa8565fd072b231c44e1ecbd0d96612697794a3577.jpg

      • thanks for the picture 🙂

    • silmasan

      So… No CFexpress yet.. lol 😀 I guess we won’t be seeing that in a Nikon anytime soon!

      • br0xibear

        I don’t know, D5s is a few months away…maybe it’ll come with an option like the D5 did with XQD or CF modules ?
        I’m sure there will be CFExpress cards at CES.

        • silmasan

          I would guess…
          D5S in 2018 dual XQD and no more CF option.
          D6 in 2020 dual CFexpress with only one slot being able to take XQD (if that) loolll at capped speed, though honestly they would have to have raw video capability to take advantage of the new bandwidth.
          Oh, And Hans J here will be screaming ‘I told you so’…
          -_-

  • Is slide one the price top right? 4575 what, dollars?

    • Tung Cheung

      Megapixel

      • Nice one.

        • Someone

          Really, 45.75 Mpix

          • sickheadache

            It is 46mp..No matter how much spin..Let’s round up..Lol

    • Don’t say that. You almost gave me a heart attack.

      • silmasan

        Nah its Pound sterling!

  • Tung Cheung

    It said it has no sound electronic shutter and auto focus stacking

    • silmasan

      Auto focus stacking? Really? That’s nice!

      • Tung Cheung

        Oh shot, correction, stacking is done by other software not by the camera

        • silmasan

          … you mean like with tethering (e.g. CamRanger)?

          No prob though.. I’ll just wait for the final translation patiently now 🙂

          • Tung Cheung

            It doesn’t said tethering, maybe save in card, do the stacking in Photoshop

            • silmasan

              OK, the important thing is that the shooting part is automated in-camera.

  • Justin

    Can we get a translation please?

    • Eric Calabros

      We’re getting that.. with a kitten-drinking-milk rate

  • NikonFanboy

    Admin,

    announcement coming tuesday 15th august?

    • I heard August 16th, not sure yet.

      • NikonFanboy

        wow super thanks

      • NikonFanboy

        looks like shipping is mid sept start…Otherwise how can they have so many events going through the features of the camera. It doesnt make sense…I am really looking forward for it…

      • Davo

        Wow..thats soon. Guess there’s very little time for a new video teaser.

  • stenrasmussen

    Looks like built in stacking feature!
    (Bad translation from the bug slide):
    “The focus movement function makes it easy to get deep synthetic * image material. The camera automatically shoots and moves the focus position from the starting point to the infinity. • The maximum number of sheets: about 300 sheets • The focus step can be selected from 10 levels. The release interval can be set between 0 and 30 seconds. Can be about 5 towers sub-second speed for cliff beat
    * Suitable for shooting jewelery, specimens and landscapes
    * Need to be synthesized by other company software”

    • Wow – awesome for my game which is Landscapes

      • Chris Phillips

        F…ing sick I am Soooooold so heavily I am selling my right ballegg to buy it …LoL

    • JXVo

      Ok, sounds like it will facilitate focus stacking by automatically advancing focus by a selectable amount for up to 300 sequential frames….subsequent processing by 3rd party software….nice!

    • paige4o4

      This is a game changer for product photography. The only other cameras that do this are PhaseOne XF and Olympus OMD cameras.

  • mark meerdam

    Are there more slides coming? i’m curious about what they’ll say about video?

    • yes, uploading now….

      • Justin

        Thanks Peter <3

      • mark meerdam

        awesome!!!! thanks!!

  • RIT

    Google translate indicates the bug shot is about focus stacking for landscapes and small objects. Game changer if it works!

    • Justin

      100% I’d make the jump to Full Frame if this works well

      • Eric Calabros

        Says it needs Nikon software, but we don’t care, do we? 🙂

        • Justin

          Hopefully it will be than snapbridge though 🙂

          • Eric Calabros

            Stacking 300 images by camera is unrealistic expectation

            • RIT

              Yep, would be nice though. Mind you my D800e processes files quicker than my old Windoze machine! If detailed focus info is embedded into EXIF data that’l help everyone. But yes, this function may well be disabled by Snapbridge!!

    • RIT

      Touch sensitive LCD with pinch control.

      • RIT

        Silent shutter mode at 45MP

        • Eric Calabros

          Hope its 14bit, not 12 like A9

          • RIT

            14bit is mentioned.

            • Eric Calabros

              In electronic shutter mode I mean

    • paige4o4

      YES! Nikon, you did it. I was going to jump ship but not anymore. Focus stacking is a huge deal for me.

  • BlackRipleyDog

    What, no Trans-Warp Beaming. Great sadness.

  • Michiel953

    0.75 is a big viewfinder, right? That’s a good thing.

  • Chris Phillips

    51 frames raw until buffer clearing???

  • Price price price – where’s the frickin price lol?????

  • John Viscovich

    Fuck yea , This is gonna be a great camera!

  • John Alexander

    drip
    drip
    drip

    • sandy

      They are not dripping, these are leaks, I expect Japan is not to happy about this one with official materials.

  • VCL van der Drift

    This will be the moment the internet breaks

    • I hope not… there is a little bit of smoke coming out of the server but I think we will be fine.

  • animalsbybarry

    Focus stacking seems to be a nice unexpected feature

    I was hoping for better than 7/9 fps rate

  • 24×36

    6th slide…are they doing AA filter and non-AA filter versions again?

    • Reggie

      I took it as just the explaining why they don’t have it.

      • 24×36

        Gotcha.

    • Po-Jui Chiu

      Only one version: No AA filter

  • Nicolas Gervic

    More importantly….Price!!!??

    • sickheadache

      3600..Or near there.

  • Oat

    Nikon, mean and median stacking too … please please!!

  • Gautam Barik

    Wow. Focus stacking in camera. Does that mean it will be bracketting focus?

    • Actually it’s just what you call bracketing, stacking is done using external software (see a few comments down for translation).

      • Gautam Barik

        Thanks

  • Ferdinand

    Quite photography fix focus at 6fps
    9fps with grip
    51 buffer
    sound like the “Real” next D700 for me.
    talking with the bank now.

  • Po-Jui Chiu

    Electronic shutter in LV, 6fps (AF/AE locked)

    • Po-Jui Chiu

      Yes

  • nwcs

    Pretty cool. I’m interested to see what this will be when announced. Maybe still a surprise or three left? I’m deciding between this and a D500. Not sure which will sway me more yet.

    • You have to ask Thom about the surprises. I do not expect any.

      • nwcs

        Lol, he keeps mentioning surprises. I’m sure the focus stacking is one of them. Maybe there will be more? Hope so. I love surprises.

        • That’s the problem with those kind of statements – you can always find something and say “this is the surprise I was talking about”.
          We are not even sure the focus stacking is built-in. I am waiting on the transaltion.

          • I find it hard to believe Nikon could perform in camera stacking on par with Helicon. But, in camera stepping would be handy. Some high end jewelry I photograph (+$25,000) requires 10-20 shots to full encompass all the DOF at optimal aperture sharpness. Instead of doing minute focus rings turns and guessing, the automated process could be handy. Also, for static landscapes ( ie slot canyons )

            • Allan

              “Some high end jewelry I photograph … ”

              Free advice: don’t show those photos to your wife or girlfriend.

          • Allan

            “That’s the problem with those kind of statements – you can always find something and say “this is the surprise I was talking about”.”

            I think it would be out of character for Thom to say surprises, if there are no surprises he is aware of. He knows something(s), but isn’t at liberty to say. He said, if I remember correctly, that some people will be surprised (not everybody).

            • Well, I guess we see this differently, let’s agree to disagree. I have my reasons to say what I said based on previous history on what Thom has reported over the years. He has the best analysis of the industry – no doubts there, but I don’t recall when was the last time he reported a “valid” rumor and I say this with the most respect for the guy. It’s just a fact in my books and I have been tracking rumors on a daily basis for over 10 years.

            • Allan

              Ok.

            • Dibyendu Majumdar

              You are spot on Peter. I don’t think he knows, but it is good business to pretend to know since he wants to be seen as the Nikon expert.

            • Thom is a Nikon expert, I don’t think anyone is questioning that. I am certainly not questioning that.

          • Dibyendu Majumdar

            I think it is a good tactic to say I know something and never say what you know. I guess no one will ever know whether you really know or are pretending to know.

            People who really know tend to be silent though.

            • Exactly my point.

        • There is the one surprise on prism housing.

      • El Aura

        Note that Tom’s talk of surprises often came up when the EVF was mentioned, in particular after the first images indicated a larger viewfinder hump. I’d say the larger viewfinder magnification might very well be one of those surprises. I definitely hadn’t heard anything about it until today.

        • I don’t see this as a big surprise.

          • Thom Hogan

            I did.

            • not a big deal, you could have easily told us about it

            • It is, it’s the biggest viewfinder NIkon’d made in DSLR, nearly matching Canon’s 1-series, renowed for an excellent OVF.

            • El Aura

              Exactly, the majority (D600, D610, D750, D800, D810, D3, D3s, D3x) of the Nikon’s FF DSLRs had a magnification of 0.7x. Only the last two flagships (D4, D4s, D5) and strangely enough the D700 had moved beyond that to 0.72x.

              The move to 0.75x (which beats the non-flagship Canon DSLRs) with the D850 follows the move by the D500 which is has the highest magnification OVF of any APS-C DSLR. This can be seen as Nikon doubling down on being very good in regard to technical specs.

            • 24×36

              In the D700’s case, the viewfinder was still smaller, since it had less than 100% coverage (i.e., higher magnification of a smaller imaging area).

            • El Aura

              Ah yes, I forgot about that. That somewhat explains its deviation from all other Nikon FF DSLRs at this time.

            • Thom Hogan

              No, I couldn’t.

          • El Aura

            I don’t think Thom called them “big” surprises. Just ‘surprises’.

            • Thom Hogan

              That is correct. Focus Bracketing was one of them. The change in the viewfinder was another. The electronic shutter was another. I actually thought that the frame rate was going to be a negative surprise for everyone, as a lot of folk seemed to be thinking it was 8 fps+. But I guess I was wrong on that one.

              There are still a couple of other things that haven’t been mentioned (as I write this) in the D850 specs.

            • we are all ears… again….

            • So you knew pretty much all details that came out today and I did not report before, in addition you know even more details that were not part of slides today?

            • Thom Hogan

              Yes. But most of the things that haven’t been disclosed yet are minor things that probably won’t get mentioned by most coverage.

            • sickheadache

              Below 4 grand.

            • NotPartisan

              Thom, can you tell us what the new port/lever piece is directly above the diopter adjustment knob on side of viewfinder?

            • Good question.

            • br0xibear

              Since it’s “minor”… what is that button/port thing above the diopter knob on the prism ?

            • Very good question! I want to know too.

      • sandy

        The live view electronic shutter is a bit of a surprise.

        • That’s my point – anything can be a surprise now, this is why I suggested to Thom to either tell us or don’t mention it at all because now I think he did not have really any additional information.

          • Allan

            “That’s my point – anything can be a surprise now, this is why I suggested to Thom to either tell us or don’t mention it at all because now I think he did not have really any additional information.”

            I don’t agree with the content and tone of your comment.

            Thom’s contributions to this forum are unique.

            • I never questioned his contributions to the community and I said this with a great respect for Thom. I just don’t like this “I know a secret and I am not telling” business and I am being honest about it.

            • Allan

              ” … now I think he did not have really any additional information.”

              This is disrespectful.

              As the administrator, I think you should have kept this comment to yourself.

            • I said “I think”, just my opinion. I don’t see it being disrespectful at all. If Thom thinks this is disrespectful, I will publicly apologize.

            • Allan

              Thanks. I appreciate your responses.

          • BG

            Thom protecting his sources seems to be of no value to you? I don’t understand the hostility.

            • Thom used to post rumored specs for years in the past without worrying about protecting the source.

            • thundrrd

              “He has the best analysis of the industry – no doubts there, but I don’t recall when was the last time he reported a “valid” rumor and I say this with the most respect for the guy.”

              OK, so I guess now you can remember when he reported a ‘valid’ rumor? Ahhh … let it go Peter, I have great respect for your site and I know you have a bug for how Thom is doing this, but really … let it go.

            • BG

              Maybe in those cases he knew he wouldn’t compromise his sources? I can’t speak for him, but he explained the hows and whys at some point on his website…

    • JXVo

      Yeah I’m still weighing up this against D500 for a dedicated long lens body. The D500 has higher fps at lower cost without expensive accessories (and similar pixel pitch) but its a 1 trick pony compared to the additional features and versatility of this D850…..we’ll see.

      • nwcs

        My “delimma” is that I enjoy telephoto the most which speaks to the D500 but I also do enough at the shorter end that I am tempted. And, yes, I’m also tempted by new and cool. I have no problem with that. Although I REALLY wish Nikon would announce a D500s that gives us some of the D850 goodness and some other things. That would cinch it for me.

    • sickheadache

      It has to do with ….Only the Shadow Knows!

      • nwcs

        And the shadow ain’t talkin

  • Clifford Martin

    I wish the buffer was larger than 51 shots (assuming 14bit lossless compressed and fast XQD card). But makes sense if using same buffer RAM as D5 that twice the megapixels equals half the number of images.

    Wonder if new grip can take same battery as D5?

    Still nothing on US pricing?

    • silmasan

      The slides say EN-EL18a so yes

    • Allen_Wentz

      Certainly 51 frames seems reasonable for such a high frame rate with large image file sizes. I will be curious to see exactly how the buffer tests out in operation with the slower SD card out of the camera; how the buffer performs with XQD after filling. Also what buffer performance is at the alleged 6 fps silent-shutter mode.

    • John Mackay

      D5 buffer size is over 200 shots, around 250 or so. I am a bit disappointed at 51 shots, but if that is at 9fps and it clears fast then it’s ok.

      • sandy

        six second burst @ 46mp 14 bit. Not to shabby. Wonder if that will jump substantially @ 12 bit. Lets hope buffer clearing similar to D5.

        • John Mackay

          5.6 seconds, but I had hoped for at least 80 shots at 10fps, to be more in line with the d500. It seems they are saving money on the RAM which is a shame. It is fine, but not great.

  • RC Jenkins

    Here’s what I got from Google Translate:

    ::45.75MP FX sensor
    ::7 FPS; 6FPS with AF (no grip)
    ::9FPS, when using the MB-D18a battery grip
    ::51-image buffer (14-bit raw)
    ::3.2″, 2.36-million-dot rear touchscreen. Improved gestures
    ::4K video
    ::ISO 64-25600 (native)
    ::No low-pass filter
    ::153 point AF system, with 30% wider coverage than the D5
    ::0.75x magnification optical viewfinder–largest ever on FX
    ::all AF points AF in -3EV; center point -4
    ::Auto-focus-bracket mode–the camera can take up to 300 pictures, varying focus between from close-infinity. User can choose 10 levels of focus steps. Roughly 5 FPS, can be software stacked.
    ::Fully-silent electronic shutter mode in live view. No mechanical movement. Can also shoot up to 30FPS for an 8MP image using the electronic shutter.

    • El Aura

      30% wider AF coverage than the D5? That would be massive. Are you sure it is not 30% wider than the D810?

      • RC Jenkins

        You are correct. Corrected

      • Even that would be crazy good.

        • El Aura

          I think the actual number is a 30% larger area (as in the area covered is 130% of the area covered in the D810). That would mean 14% wider and 14% taller (if the increases in width and height were equally distributed, if I had to guess, I’d say the increase in width was a bit more than the increase in height).

  • Keith Walls

    I don’t get the drip, drip, drip of information. Just have a press conference in Toyko, spill the beans, and announce shipping to commence later, even if that means Christmas.

    • El Aura

      And I don’t get why so many people so often assume that everything is controlled by higher powers (here: Nikon’s central command). 99% of what you see happening are things just happening without any central control. But the human mind cannot accept this, because it would mean things are happening without a good purpose. And the mind is wired to assume purpose, which might have made sense when humans lived in relatively small groups and had very little contacts with humans outside of their group.

    • this is a leak, not an official release

      • Keith Walls

        I realize that. But the whole scenario of pre-announcing on their 100th anniversary, and then waiting for the information to leak out slowly seems strange to me. If they had just done what they did for the D5/D500 release, get it all out in the open, it would have generated a whole lot more worldwide buzz than what is going on now- almost daily leaks.

        • Oh, I agree – but they create more buzz that way.

          • Keith Walls

            And more eyes on “Nikonrumors” 😉

            • that’s always good 🙂

    • Even these slides are not official.

  • Maurício Costa

    TRANSLATION (with the Google Translator for Mobile app):

    – 45,75 Mp;
    – Up to 9 fps when coupled with MB-18 battery grip (buffer for up to 51 RAW 14bit);
    – Up to 7 fps without battery grip;
    – 8K Timelapse;
    – 4k Video;
    – Base ISO of 64 and up to 25600 – Lo1 = 32 / Hi 2 = 108400
    – Better, bigger optical Viewfinder with 0,75x magnification (Maybe they are saving the Hybrid technology for the D900);
    – Same AF System as the D5 with 153 Af points and a -4EV sensitive middle crosshair sensor;
    – Better, tiltable 3.2″ Touch Screen with 2.359 million pixels
    – Auto photo-stacking for macros! (though there is some note about having to use third party software);
    – No anti-aliasing filter;
    – Something to do with 180.000 RGB? Colours?
    – Now about the Electronic Shutter… a bit crazy:
    -6 fps silent shooting for sports (I imagined it is a limit they got without rolling shutter effect);
    [- It seems that when in this mode, AE and AF must be fixed;
    -30 fps when in DX mode (but with 8Mp?)
    [- It seems in this mode Normal AF(Continuous?) and fixed AE;

    • El Aura

      180’000 RGB refers to the number of (colour) pixels of the metering sensor (light meter).

    • thundrrd

      If I am understanding the auto photo-stacking, it is doing what you would have to do manually in the past of trying to figure out where to focus each shoot, it now does it automatically (of course, you will have to wait for the camera to see how well it does the stacking) and to me, this is a big step I think … if it works well.

      You have always had to use software when you did photo-stacking to process all the photos you took, but if this works how I hope it will, then the camera will do the work of getting you the photos to stack in your software.

  • John Mackay

    is that 9fps in full frame? d810 is 7fps but only with a 1.5x

    • Thom Hogan

      Yes.

  • akkual

    I was thinking about buying D810 as it price will probably drop a little, especially on 2nd hand market. But dang! x0.75 viewfinder! I am sold, even if this costs me 2k more! Gonna get this instead (unless it has a crappier sensor, which I doubt).

  • John Mackay

    Am I right in saying a 51 shot buffer at 9fps (more when shooting at 7 obviously) and no mention of a BSI sensor?

    • RC Jenkins

      This almost certainly confirms that this is using the same sensor fabrication as the D500, just cut larger.

      This could conceivably have roughly 2 stops improvement in DR at each respective base ISO over the D500.

      • John Mackay

        Comparing pixel to pixel colour and noise on the d810 and d500 are almost the same, same DR too until iso 400 when the d500 takes the lead. The D500 goes from 13.2 stop DR at iso 100 to 14 stops pixel to pixel vs whole picture. The D810 goes from 13.6 to 14.7. I would guess a 1 stop gain in DR over the D500, and up to half a stop over the d810 at base, more over iso 400.

        • RC Jenkins

          No.

          There is no such thing as “pixel-to-pixel” noise. By definition, noise requires multiple pixels, and DR requires an area. So you have to average across the total area.

          Purely as an example, if the D500 & D810 have the same DR at a given ISO (say 100), then the D500 has a better sensor than the D810…

          …per area. But you’re not done, because they have different surface areas.

          When you extend the D500’s sensor to an FX size, it instantly gains just over a 1 stop advantage in DR.

          If you then additionally lower the base ISO by another 2/3 of a stop, you’ve usually gained almost 2/3 stop DR at base ISO.

          • John Mackay

            No.

            Paragraph 1. Noise does not require multiple pixels, if you wanted to deal with noise from just a single pixel you would then measure frequency, not ratio compared to other pixels. You do the same thing with measuring light intensity from stars when you drop below 1 photon received per unit of time. In short, if you take 100 one pixel photos, how many of those photos are noise and how many show the right colour is your noise ratio. The point of pixel to pixel is to take out scale factors like number of pixels in the sensor, making a fairer comparison to the d810. If the d810 performs the same on a per pixel basis then scaled to the same size the d500 will do better as it has a higher pixel density. That is all I am getting at.

            Par 2. Duh, I have said as much in my reply before.

            Par 3. same thing again…

            Par 4. I am really not sure about that, DXO does not support that from what I can see, apsc cameras are very close or even above their full frame brothers. I don’t see a trend for this one stop gain.

            Par 5. I see the 14 stops to 14.7 stops DR gain from the new low iso (it then would match the d810), and a small gain in DR due to a higher quality sensor, to around 15-15.2 stops at base. All else aside you are talking about going from 14.7 stops DR to 16 stops DR on the d850 when the d500 doesn’t even have the best dynamic range of Nikons apsc sensors (14.6 stops on the d7200). I think that fact alone should tell you something is probably off.

            • RC Jenkins

              If you think a single pixel can measure noise or frequency, you don’t understand what noise is or how pixels work. Pixels today are unable to measure frequency.

              You didn’t say that here.

              For “Par 4,” I am sure about that. That’s how this works. If you want to compare like-for-like, compare a D7000 & D800.

              Par 5: Again, you should understand what a stop is and how DR is measured. I am correct in this.

            • John Mackay

              Noise is, in very short, the ratio of useful to useless data as far as I know. It is a common technique to image average to reduce noise in photos, it works because the same pixel won’t be noisy in every shot. You don’t measure a single pixel for how noisy it is, because that would take ages (you would have to take 20 million shots compared to just one to get the same number of data points), but the point is you could in theory using that method.

              I did not say pixels could measure frequency. I said you measure the frequency of the pixel, ie how frequently the pixel was noisy compared to how often it was not. I did detail the method.

              I did state that the d500 performs as well or better per pixel than the d810, and I said that I expect that the D850 would perform better than the d810, what more do you want? I think it is pretty implicit.

              Par 4, 14.4 stops to 13.9, 0.5 stop DR advantage… well short of a full stop. In fact the d810, with a 2/3rd stop iso advantage and 4 years newer is only 0.8 stops better. I still see no trend of over a 1 stop gain in DR when going up in sensor size. I think you are confusing DR with noise in this regard.

              Par 5, I know what a stop is, and how DR is measured. The d810 goes from 14.7 to 14.3 stops DR between iso 64 and 100. But you are claiming another 1 and a third stops beyond either the d810 or your thinking that the d500 would gain 2/3rd of a stop from the lower iso. That brings the d850 to have way way better dynamic range than any other full frame camera ever made without any advance in sensor technology, just an upscale of not even the best in dynamic range tech. Are you really really sure?

            • RC Jenkins

              No. That’s not what noise is. But even if it was, please explain how you compare ‘useful’ vs. ‘useless’ data for a single pixel…?

              Even your description of noise reduction is limited–and not quite true. There are many noise reduction techniques that are completely different than one another.

              Noise is an inherent property of light as it travels through space-time. There is no such thing in our universe as ‘no noise’.

            • John Mackay

              Pictures at high iso often have red dots, that is one type of noise (it takes many forms but that is the most obvious). When playing sound through speakers, the little crackles that are not in the file you are playing, that is noise. Noise is data that is not meant to be there, but is as a result of the increased amplification. Noise increases with increased amplification of a signal.

              There are obviously many different noise reduction techniques, not for one moment did I suggest image averaging is the only one. Yes, it is a limited description, it is not complex process, I would damn well hope you would know what it is so why go through an in depth description?

              And, no it isn’t, noise is not a property of light. Noise is a property of a signal. It is the part of a signal that is not intended. If you turn up your speakers and hear a crackle, that is because there is noise in the signal, the crackle is not intended. The crackle is not in your mp3 file. Good speakers crackle less. Volume on your speaker = iso, cracles in the sound = dots in the photo.

              Are you under the impression that by increasing the iso on your camera you tap into the inherent noise in all light and that is what the camera shows you? That by increasing the iso on your camera you tap into the red and white dottiness of the universe? Bizarre.

              Don’t get so hung up on the pixel and noise thing, it was a technical asside, I am just showing you that you can measure noise in a one pixel camera if you really want to. The topic is dynamic range, I have pointed to DXO and common sense to say, do not expect 2 stops more dynamic range than the d500. Expect one stop more.

            • RC Jenkins

              If you think that high ISO is a cause of noise, you don’t understand noise.

              Most shot noise comes from a lack of light, not high ISO. In fact, for the same amount of light, high ISO often has less noise.

              Most electronic noise comes from electronic heat (high shutter speeds).

              Photons don’t travel exactly uniformly in every direction at every moment in time. They are discreet and random. Most shot noise is caused by this non-uniform photon density.

              Noise is in the signal as well as the amplification. But you obviously don’t understand this basic sentence:
              “Noise is an inherent property of light as it travels through space-time. ”

              What do you think a signal is?

              Please learn these basics before you attempt to write a long paragraph exposing just how confused and ignorant you are on this topic.

            • John Mackay

              Yes, shot noise is caused by lack of light, that is after all basically its definition. If there is very little light, photons don’t arrive evenly from every point, if there are a lot of photons, shot noise becomes basically 0. It does not account for noise in bright blue sky, which is increased dramatically by using a high iso. It does account for much of the noise in shadows. If there is noise in the sky, blame the sensor. The fact that sensors have been getting less noisy over time is not as a result of light scattering and being transmitted more evenly, but better sensor design.

              “inherent property of light”, what are you talking about? What does that mean to a physicist? Frequency? Yes! Wavelength? Yes! Energy? Yes! Velocity? Yes! Polarisation? Yup! Quantised? Yes! How it moves, diffraction, stuff like that? Indeed. Noise! What? What the hell is the noise of a photon? Never heard of it. Please tell. Please link a reputable source talking about noise as a “property of light” with no mention of photography. If you want to say photons have wave particle duality say that not some faux science junk.

              Noise is not a property of light, it is simply not picked up perfectly evenly. A camera can accurately record this.

              I don’t like defining words very much because if you are going to do that it has to be absolutely correct. I will say that in this case when I use the word signal I mean something along the lines: “The intensity and colour of light the pixel tells the camera is has recorded”. Arguably too broad and covers too much, but I cant think of a better single word replacement.

            • RC Jenkins

              We’re in luck. I am a Physicist.

              You’re presumably not.

              And if you notice, I didn’t say an inherent property of light . There was more to the phrase.

            • John Mackay

              I asked for a link to a good source. I still haven’t been given one. The bulk of my DR claims have been based on DXO measurements which I have detailed and can be easily checked. I have then given reasons for my conclusions. Scientists publish papers in pier reviewed journals, at the end of them are a bunch of references. If you are a physicist you seem to be a terrible one, no sources, no references even when asked. You haven’t once addressed the independent data I have referenced and disputed my interpretation. Pathetic. You call yourself a scientist but have shown no regard for the scientific method.

              Pray tell how “as it travels through space-time” fundamentally changes my query, and also, when light does not travel through space time? I don’t think it is possible for a photon to not travel through space time during every moment of its existence as a photon, but if it can stay still please tell me how, with a reference. Please remember to also provide a reference for “Noise is an inherent property of light as it travels through space-time” without reference to photography. Thanks.

            • RC Jenkins

              As I mentioned above, you have poor reading skills. I never said noise is a property of light, genius.

              What I said was:
              “Noise is an inherent property of light AS IT TRAVELS THROUGH SPACE-TIME. ”

              I added the caps so that maybe this time you’ll be able to see it.

              The transmission of light through space-time is what causes an observance of it to have noise. It’s sort of like measuring aerodynamics–this is a useless measure if an object (or fluid) is not moving.

              And a source?

              Here:
              https://www.dpreview.com/articles/8189925268/what-s-that-noise-shedding-some-light-on-the-sources-of-noise

              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9e075c40aace65484b89fca2b69708c6f8acb43491753923be53b5f6fc4df42a.png

              Stay in school, fool.

            • RC Jenkins
            • John Mackay

              If you are talking about light, it is moving, as I basically said, it is impossible for light not to move. To add “AS IT TRAVELS THROUGH SPACE-TIME” is always redundant and makes you look stupid. You may as well say “for an object THAT EXISTS IN THE UNIVERSE”. As I said, you have claimed it is an inherent property of light, I asked for a source not related to photography to show that it is a recognised term in the science community. I got a DP review article. Something about not being able to read… If you can only find a physics paper or article talking about photons “moving though space time” and noise then that’s fine, just find me the article that has “noise”, “property” and “light” or “photon” all bound up without a camera in sight. Please don’t tell me you call yourself a physicist because you read a dp review article.

              How to measure randomness of rain to the same accuracy as a test using four points while only using a single point? Gee, I don’t know, repeat the experiment another 3 times giving 4 sets of data, the same as if you did it once with 4 test tubes? Repeating experiments? Science? Crazy! Also the same thing I said ages ago about repeating the test over and over to measure noise from a single pixel.

              Also, again, no source behind your apsc to full frame = one stop gain in DR claim, despite the fact that I pointed out top apsc cameras have almost the same dynamic range as full frame. And nothing to counter my point that a 2/3rd drop in base iso to iso 64 in the d810 only provided a 0.4 stop gain in DR. Maths is not ok here, it has to be an evidenced example, preferably on Nikon cameras.

              I graduated just fine, maybe you should go back.

            • RC Jenkins

              I am accredited by actual universities that I spent years of my life attending and researching in person.

              We’ll have a conversation when you’re accredited in this subject and when you learn how to read. It’s clear that you’re not accredited, that you have trouble reading and comprehending, and that you’re learning as we go.

            • John Mackay

              To have to point out to you that you can just repeat the experiment 4 times to get the same effect, which you said was an impossible problem, is sad. Your total lack of sources or evidence is sad. The DP review article showed that shot noise was a thing, nothing else. I have a degree in environmental science, not physics, but it is very clear you do not have a degree relevant to sensor design either so you are just as uneducated on the subject as I am. You also clearly didn’t go to a debating club as you would then know how laughable an argument from authority is. Very sad that you have to cling to that when you claim to by a scientist!

              How about this, if DXO mark tests the D850 and rates it to have 15.7 stops of dynamic range or more, I am an idiot and you are amazing. If it has less than 15.7 stops of dynamic range I am super smart and you are an idiot. That is only a 1.7 stop gain over the d500, and you said it should gain 2 stops, so I think I am being very generous to you. Sadly I don’t know you in person or we could put money on it.

            • RC Jenkins

              I never said anything of the sort regarding ‘repeating the experiment 4 times.’ You seem to be an expert at attributing the voices in your mind to me.

              As I said, you’re a waste of time. Go read a book this weekend.

              If you can.

            • John Mackay

              “Or measuring the randomness of raindrops falling onto the surface of a sheet of paper. If the rain isn’t moving or you don’t have a 2-dimensional surface, how to you measure the randomness?

              (You can’t).”

              you don’t need a 2d surface, just need a point. How often does the point come into contact with rain? problem solved. Rekt haha xD

            • RC Jenkins

              Hey genius: where/when do the raindrops come from, and how do you measure the ‘point’…?

              Because if you have only a point in your system, then the raindrops are already in the point.

              And “how often” means time.

              If time is standing still and there is no space, then there is no randomness.

              You should have learned about “time” and “space” in your supposed environmental science studies. Or when you were 5.

              yes, you did wreck yourself. better check yourself.

            • John Mackay

              Hey genius, when people, including scientists describe things happening, like say rain falling, they assume that time does pass unless stated otherwise. I never said that time didn’t pass. And when talking about analogies to cameras, time always has to pass. There is no camera with a 0 second exposure time setting. The closest thing would be long exposure noise reduction which is just used to cancel out noise generated purely by the sensor. Why would you even mention that time passes? The raindrops analogy is taken from the DP review article in which 4 test tubes fill up over time. Why you keep thinking time passing is optional I do not know. Do you forget that it does that?

              As for occurrence of raindrops, most people know where raindrops fall from, the sky, try a book, one might tell you that. But do you even need to know? Would your 2d grid differentiate between rain and a sprinkler pointed up? Again, in relation to cameras, light is coming from the lens, but sensors do not record the direction of the light source anyway. As for when, have a point recorder in the rain, it makes a beep every time every time a rain drop hits it. Count the beeps, divide by time if you want frequency, multiply by rain drop size for volume. Basically a Geiger counter. You don’t need resolution, you don’t need to measure multiple points at once to measure noise. No “2-dimensional surface” required. The same applies to my 1 pixel camera, take 100 shots, line em up brightest to darkest, those that differ significantly from the average can be regarded as noise. Noise measured on a single pixel. Oh, and to cancel out the noise, average the value of the pixel.

      • Thom Hogan

        No, it would be one stop, basically.

        • RC Jenkins

          No, that’s assuming the same base ISO. And yes, if they have the same base ISO, then we’ll see a natural 1 stop improvement (or just over) based purely on sensor size.

          But based on this leak, we know the base ISOs are different. This will sport a lower base ISO (64), just like the D810 used in order to gain high DR performance at base ISO. This will give it up to 2/3 additional stops (in theory). Maybe not quite that high in practice, but it’s conceivable to say we’d see something like 1.5.

          Of course, as you said, that’s based on how they tune… 🙂

  • JJ168

    Anyone know what is the “4500” in the 2nd slide? It is between the 153AF point and the 0.75 magnification.

    Thanks

    • Alex

      “over 4500 ten thousand” pixels so 45 megapixels

      • JJ168

        Thank you.

  • sickheadache

    Wow…32 iso…Wow…I use 64 iso on D810…Wow..Impressive

    • John Mackay

      thats extended, base is 64

      • sickheadache

        It is 50 iso..Bet.

        • John Mackay

          I would bet you any money it is iso 64 base. Unless these slides are fakes :p

          • the slides are 100% real

          • sickheadache

            It was discussed, by Tony Northrop and Matt Granger and others that Nikon’s 64 iso is really 50 iso.

            • RC Jenkins

              The actual measurements show otherwise.

              ISO 64 has 2/3 stop increased DR over ISO 100.

              ISO 50 would have to have 1 stop.

            • John Mackay

              Yes and no. Yes, if iso were measured to the proper amount. No, not as measured by Nikons standards. As you first talked about it in comparison to the D810 and it is a Nikon camera it only makes sense to say the base iso is 64 or the same.

      • Coffee

        Since there are no standard for iso, 64 or even 32 could just be the base iso (100) for all we know.

        • John Mackay

          There is a standard, you just don’t have to be very close to it. If they did that though they could probably get sued for false advertising.

    • Fly Moon

      Still the same, 64!

      • sickheadache

        50 iso

        • Fly Moon

          Are you sure? One of the slides says, 64-25600.

          • sickheadache

            Sure.

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