Nikon Belgium event on October 2nd, 2017


Nikon Belgium will have an event on October 2nd, 2017 - they recently sent out emails with the above banner and no text. The 100th anniversary and D850 logos are both on the banner.

Just a reminder that similar events will take place in Germany and The Netherlands in the last week of September. There is a very good chance that the Nikon D850 camera will be officially announced by then.

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  • Max

    It’s called a “Save the date”. Just saying.

  • Wilson

    Do we expect there to be any unveiling on Sept 22 or 23 or this is the big one? They’re dragging out the hype as long as they can which I am very okay with if they roll out a 45mp 10fps beast

    • Reckon the unveiling will be in the second half of September and the events here in Europe will be the first local appearances.

  • ToastyFlake

    February 10th? Did I miss it?

    • Scott M.

      Metric version

      • ToastyFlake

        That fancy Euro math is hard to comprehend. And what time is “12 Hoo”?

        • Scott M.

          You should see how they do temperatures. Add 32 and then…something?

          • ckuklbac

            Multiply by 9/5 (1.8) and then add 32!

          • MB

            No, that is how bigger is the IQ of average human being compared to Trump… and then some …

            • Ed Hassell

              Actually, Trump is amazing: His ascendancy to president proves the existence of a populace with an IQ equal to the square root of negative one! A populace of which he is a member.

            • Mr_Miyagi

              Yes, and those who voted for Felonia von Pantsuit imagined she would be elected president. So sad.

            • Lladnar

              The populace doesn’t get to vote for real, the electoral college does, or the Russians, or Borat. I don’t know, one of those.

            • Allan

              lol

            • Andrew

              You just insulted 50% of the American people. At least we know who you voted for.

            • Ed Hassell

              Actually, you don’t know for whom I voted. My opinion of his competition isn’t much higher. And, I most certainly did not insult 50% of the American people — just the core group who actually believe in him and voted for him — a number significantly smaller than half the population. Then there are those duped by him (whom I forgive, hoping they’ve learned a lesson) and those who plot to use him to advance their own agendas (who are probably equally deplorable).

              I detest politics and I detest politicians. I’d set term limits: twice in any one elected office and five elections total with losing counting against the five. All candidates required to get 5% of registered voters to petition them to run and all elections publically funded with no outside money allowed in any local election.

              Regardless, this is all way off topic and probably shouldn’t be discussed here at all — back to Nikon. I can hardly wait for more details on the D850. That is an order of magnitude more important than politics.

            • Thom Hogan

              232m eligible voters. 63m voted for Trump. Unless I’m really bad at math, that isn’t 50%.

            • Tony Beach

              If Trump gets his way, then the number of eligible voters will drop to where his avid supporters represent a solid majority — it’s called voter suppression, part of the Republican playbook.

            • Jim

              I come here to get away from Trump news… 😛

            • El Aura

              I’m wondering, opinion polls about such things as presidential elections presumably also ask about the intention to vote and then only count the people that say they intend to vote (or at least say they might be voting). Since opinion polls predicted the popular vote pretty well, this otherwise would mean that in fact close to 50% of the population said they would vote for Trump.

            • Eric Calabros

              Whatever percentage, any analysis about population IQ based on their political decisions is stupid. Unless its intended to trigger opponents or making fun.

            • El Aura

              Talking about other people’s intelligence is rarely fruitful. But one can talk about responsibility when referring to voting decisions.

            • Eric Calabros

              in politics everyone is supposed to be only responsible for his own interests, and people build the structure of their interest system on theoretical foundations that one can’t simply invalidate with some cost-benefit calculations. Humans are complicated.

            • Thom Hogan

              Let’s not invent facts and then distort them.

              The final poll projections the night before the election worked out to Clinton +4% with a polling error assumption of 1.1% [Princeton Election Consortium]. The final popular vote margin was Clinton by 2.1%.

              There are all kinds of explanations that have been suggested for the final electoral college result. Things from people deciding they didn’t need to vote because the election was already decided to some very keen targeting of a few select districts/regions where there wasn’t a strong preference and election day presence that flipped a few key electoral votes from where they were expected.

              But more to the point, US Presidential elections almost always break down to a choice of two things: (1) more of the same; (2) change. Post election analysis showed that a lot of the Trump voting, by whatever logic, was triggered by the thought that people didn’t want #1 but #2. In other words, Clinton was perceived as four more years of Obama. Indeed, she ran the late stages of her campaign that way.

              The real weakness of the US election process is the primary elections. Basically, less than 30% of American registered voters pick who the registered voters can actually vote for. Actually, it works out to about 14% of voters picked an individual candidate this time around. And of that, just a bit over half were for Clinton, for instance (haven’t done the math for Trump). So say 8% of the registered voters put Clinton on the final ballot when all was said and done.

            • El Aura

              All that is totally beside my question, which was simply whether opinion polls that report voting intentions tend to be based only on people that actually do vote or whether they also tend to also include a sizeable portion of those that don’t end up voting (but still voice their opinion when polled). This is a totally generic question that can be applied to any country, any type of election.

              I’ll give an example, before the Brexit vote in the UK, a couple was split on the issue and decided that if both didn’t vote, it wouldn’t affect the overall result and thus they didn’t need to bother voting. The point being that people that are not voting might quite often still have an opinion. You might say they, literally, don’t count. But their opinion still matters, at least to some degree, in their social circle.

              I am not contesting that elections can often be influenced heavily by relatively small groups of voters. And that the voting system plays a major role on this issue. But we cannot claim that non-voters don’t matter, that their opinions are irrelevant. A person might not have voted, but he or she often will still have some kind of opinion on the question at hand. To give another example, If various elements of the news media position themselves into clear camps, how many viewer, readers or listeners each camp has matters economically to the media companies regardless of whether the individual person has actually voted or not.

            • Thom Hogan

              Most US Presidential polling these days attempts to ascertain likelihood to vote. This is, of course, a difficult thing to figure out, as people will lie about past record (e.g. whether they voted in past elections) and can change their mind about upcoming ones. Plus you have new voters that have no track record nor any strong ability to predict what they’ll actually do.

              We have one poll (Rasmussen) that weekly updates current opinions based on likelihood to vote. Current number is 42% of likely voters approve of Trump’s job performance to date, and that has trended downward since the inauguration. More interesting is the divergence of “strongly agree” (27%) with “strongly disagree” (47%) in that survey.

              But–and here’s the real trouble with polling now–most of these polls are done via telephone. As phones went more mobile and things like caller ID and call blocking got more prevalent, it’s now much more difficult to generate a sample that’s got solid correlation to the full population. I don’t answer such phone calls, for example, and should one actually get through, I’ll not answer their question and hang up.

            • Tony Beach

              Well, going OT here some more, Trump’s supporters are not necessarily lacking in intelligence, but many are clearly lacking in scruples, although I would say those that think Trump does have scruples are clearly lacking in intelligence. As to the percentage that fall into that latter category, his approval ratings sum that up pretty well for me.

              As for who I voted for, you can only surmise who I didn’t vote for from what I just wrote.

            • Andrew

              Seeing that we are on a photography blog, I must assume you are talking about Image Quality 😉

          • Ric of The LBC

            but zero is cold for both measurments

            • Nyarlathotep

              One is a lot colder than the other @ 0. Useless fact: Both scales are the same at -40 degrees.

            • Allan

              Zero fahrenheit is not cold for a Canadian.

            • Ric of The LBC

              True. It is for my Southern Californian blood.

            • Allan

              I thought you were a Canuck. I guessed wrong.

            • Ric of The LBC

              Well, both my grandfathers were Canuckian. They emigrated to The LBC in the late 20s. My father in law is still a Canadian citizen even though he’s been here for 60 years but still owns property in PEI

              What ya think aboot that?

            • Allan

              Do you own a beaver hat?

            • Ric of The LBC

              no, but I do play hockey.

              Roller but it’s still hockey. GKG!

            • Allan

              I detect a Canadian flavour to your humour. Your relatives did a good job!

            • Ric of The LBC

              I see what you did there. Flavor, humor.

              Soory aboot that. Just colour me bad. 🙂

            • Allan

              lol

            • +1 spelling

            • Lladnar

              Randy or Tori?

            • You’ve got me there. Too subtle?

          • Tony Beach

            No, that’s how Americans do temperatures when they are seeing it displayed by practically the entire rest of the world and need to convert it to Fahrenheit. Celsius at least is based on two easily recognized metrics — fresh water freezing and water boiling at sea level — something we are all familiar with; whereas Fahrenheit is based on what?

        • Derek Sizeland

          European dates are Day / Month / Year. More logical than some other parts of the world
          I presume the time is 12 Midday Western European Time.

          • Scott M.

            Buzzkill

          • Ric of The LBC

            yet the best is Year/Month/Day.

            • stormwatch

              In which dimension?

            • Ric of The LBC
            • Allan

              Too funny!

            • stormwatch

              People hoping for the useful Wi-Fi connection on the new Nikon, but deep inside they know that Nikon is just a 3rd league player nowadays, and soon in the 4th league.

            • My camera is better then yours as the company is biggerest bestest brilliant in the whole wide world, its brilliant. Yes, so bigger and better then your company. Your camera company is old and isn’t very good and old and like not good any more, sad….
              Trump troll.

            • Ric of The LBC

              Are you clinging to your DSLR?

            • MAXIMUS

              plastic flanges much? 12bit sony colors you say? 5fps mech shutter A9?
              you’ll have to pry my DSLR’s from my dead cold hands!!!

            • Mr_Miyagi

              No, you don’t have it right yet. It’s: My camera is yuuuge. Make Nikon Great Again. Fake news about the D850. So sad.

            • stormwatch

              Actually, you from Trumplandia now have a much bigger problems to worry, D850 is the least of concerns.

            • Nimloth

              YMD is preferable for archival purposes because the dates are self sorting; each preceding number being a step lower in the hierarchy. That is not the case for the DMY nor (*shudder*) the MDY formats.

              For verbal communication, however, the DMY makes more sense, as you’re more likely to be concerned with the day (e.g. “which day is it?”) than the month or year.

              An alternative is the DTG (day time group) format:
              DD hhmm T MMM YY (or YYYY). Very handy when messages are transmitted/received between several entities. E.g: “I need a verification of your message sent 08 1535Z” (this month and year being implicit, hence of low interest).

          • nwcs

            More logical is always what you’re used to 🙂

          • and as the european system has been around longer than some such as the US 🙂 🙂 🙂

          • stormwatch

            Yes, way more logical than writing months, then days and then years. And btw it’s CET – Central European Time.

        • Ed Hassell

          12H00, 12H01, 12H03 … The digits following the H are minutes. So, 12 noon, local time.

          • ToastyFlake

            That makes me want a HoHo.

          • stormwatch

            It’s the french standardized way of writing.

        • stormwatch

          You know, USA is not the whole world.

          • Allan

            I didn’t get that memo.

          • ToastyFlake

            ಠ_ಠ

        • C’mon, you know we do jokes about your US system, right? ;))))

          • ToastyFlake

            Right now, we’ve got a lot better material to be the butt of the world’s jokes than our date formatting system 🙁

        • Thinkpad_T60

          It’s obviously the mid half of the day.

    • Jim

      They’re using the “everybody else in the world” format..

    • what are you on about, CORRECTLY it is 02 Sept 2017 as per the UK

      • ToastyFlake

        Y’all do a lot of things differently in Kentucky.

    • Randolf Sack

      I’ve never understood why the US reverses the day and month in d/m/y? I’m not even going to touch the inability to grasp the metric system and the weird interpretation of what is a gallon.

      • Allan

        I think we can thank the British for the gallon. “The gallon originated as the base of systems for measuring wine, and beer in England.” (Wikipedia)

        • But our gallon is bigger than a US one. Unlike everything else.

          • Allan

            Your pound is still worth more than our dollar … for now. 🙂

            • Tue but possibly not for much longer. When Brexit is finally real, who knows?

        • Randolf Sack

          It’s not the gallon per se I have issue with, it’s the US interpretation where they make the Gallon approx 3.8 Litres where the original British is approx 4.5. Just can’t accept someone else setting a standard.

          • Seb

            As he said, it originated as the base of systems for measuring wine and beer.
            The obvious conclusion is that they drink more in the UK than in the US.
            Or the other way around if you measure in gallons.
            Does my explanation make sense? I don’t think so.

            • But a litre is even bigger than a UK pint so the Germans drink more beer than us.

          • Andrew

            Too many things are different. The US versus the UK, one of these two nations drive on the wrong side of the road.

            The light switch is down in the UK and up in the US for ON. And the voltage system and plugs are different.

            It seems as if the US made things different (established different standards) deliberately to create a competitive advantage for their industries against the Europeans in order to protect their companies.

      • Ric of The LBC

        except when referencing Independence Day

      • Prasad Palaniyandi

        USA didn’t want any trace of British.. They did exactly opposite to British – voltage to 110, on/off switch, driving on right side, measurement system including English …

        • Ric of The LBC

          Common people, separated by a common language.

        • Adam Fo

          US distance measurements are based on British Imperial.

      • Lladnar

        “Grasping” the metric system? It’s for use in labs, not real life. We use it in labs here just fine. It didn’t catch on because it has no practical basis in day to day living. For example, in Celsius you can easily feel the difference in a half a degree. Have a problem grasping both systems?

        • Metric is great for SCUBA. 10 metres of water gives one atmosphere pressure. Makes deco calculations simple.

          • Lladnar

            Yes, because in general the world has accepted Base 10 as the core for math since most people need a simple frame of reference by which to perform computations. “Hey look, I have 10 fingers and 10 toes (hopefully)! I get it now!” And therein lies the irony of how other areas of the world perceive the “stupid Americans” who can’t grasp a simple change to make things more “intelligently efficient”. There are cases where octal, hexadecimal, and of course binary are much better applied bases for counting, but no, metric is the holy grail not to be questioned…

            • Surely 12 inches to a foot, 3 feet in a yard, 22 yards in a chain, 10 chains to a furlong is so much better? A furlong by a chain is an acre. What could be simpler? Don’t get me on to rods, pecks, bushels, etc.

            • Ric of The LBC

              Nautical miles, knots, fathoms, leagues.

            • When I was studying Atomic Physics we used Angstroms, Barns, Outhouses and Sheds.

              A barn (symbol: b) is a unit of area equal to 10−28 m2 (100 fm2). Originally used to express the cross sectional area of a nucleus. Related units are the outhouse (1 μb, or 10−34 m2) and the shed (10−24 b (1 yb), or 10−52m2.

            • Lladnar

              But what if the outhouse is a two seater?

            • Nuclear fusion

            • Lladnar

              *throws in popcorn*

            • BTW a chain is the length of a cricket pitch (the distance between to the two sets of stumps). There, you made me mention a game I have no interest in.

              Let’s get back to something more interesting. When can I have my D850?

            • Ric of The LBC

              in a metric month.

              or so…..

            • What’s that? 10 days with 36.5 months in a year? That would be good. Or 36.5 days (10 months in a year)? I can wait that long …

            • Allan

              Good one.

            • Lladnar

              *crickets*

            • ??

            • Lladnar

              literary device in answer to your question

            • Ric of The LBC

              better than snoring.

            • Allan

              I think I’m getting a sick headache.

            • Lladnar

              well it’s about t.i.m.e for one

            • sickheadache

              My Attorney will contact u very soon.

            • I used to have a cat with 6 toes on each paw. Base 12 (feet and inches) makes sense.

        • Ric of The LBC

          what is a 2×4 in metric? Size of a sheet of Drywall?

          Distance between bases? Length of a football field? Height of a basketball rim? Width and Ht. of a hockey goal?

          Why isn’t time metric?

      • Mr_Miyagi

        Perhaps you might ask why it isn’t year/month/day with year before month before day.

        • Allan

          Actually, Ric of the LBC noted this.
          If I was still working in Canada, I would write today’s date as 2017-08-08. I have my cameras and folders on my computer set up like this.

          • Ric of The LBC

            That is how we name files in the office.

            ex: B13105.01 PRP 2017.05.16.pdf

            Project# Filetype Date. PRP=Proposal.

          • But which 08 is which?

          • Seb

            Well, perhaps today wasn’t the best example 🙂

      • Andrew

        It involves Math, and that is one too many things to learn 😉
        Too many kids are struggling with reading and now you want to add more complexity…

  • Eric Calabros

    Dear Nikon, just look at AMD marketing for their Threadripper CPUs.. slow and stepped release, keeping the hype high without making unrealistic expectations, giving major specs in scheduled dates without revealing all the details. Not the best we’ve seen but way better than your endless-wait-in-the-dark method.

    • fanboy fagz

      I like AMD. my 2 computers are amd based.

      • Coffee

        I like intel, usually runs cooler, but cost more. 🙁

        I also prefer NVIDIA for the same reason, again cost more. 🙁

        You might not get value sometimes, but then if I only looked at value, I would never upgrade.

        • Ric of The LBC

          Yea, NVIDIA for sure. AMD does not work so great with Autodesk products.

        • fanboy fagz

          I couldnt give a rats ass.

  • nwcs

    And so it begins. I expect we will start seeing more spec leaks in a month.

  • Scott M.

    I am okay with waiting a bit in order to save up for this one.

  • Ric of The LBC

    SMOKE! Lots of SMOKE!!!!

    • sickheadache

      And Mirrors…Or Less.

    • Mr_Miyagi

      Let’s hope the color of the smoke that’s released is white, not black.

  • eric

    I’ll be on an actual date that evening so will probably miss it. Enjoy though.

    • j j

      Maybe your date would enjoy sitting there mashing the “refresh” button on the web browser.

      • Allan

        lol

  • Apparently, they are in NO HURRY to announce, and I bet, ship…

    • animalsbybarry

      I want to see all 3 cameras and then choose
      The third one being the new Nikon FF mirrorless

      I will not buy the D850 as soon as it comes out…. I will wait to compare it to the other 2 cameras

      While I would rather get a D850 than anything currently available I will probably preffer a mirrorless high res

      Nikon still has the lenses and Sony does not…. so if both Sony and Nikon produce a FF 60+ mp mirrorless camera if comparable quality I would be more likely to choose the Nikon

      • If Sony is first to market with the super high MP body, I’ll buy it. But do note, I’ll mount it to my Nikon glass in manual operation with a Novaflex G to E adapter. Basically I’m using the Sony as a DB in Manual mode. AF is not an issue with what I’ll be shooting. I have a 3 week trip to some exotic islands in middle October. I’d prefer to have the new camera option by then.

        • Coffee

          If you are lucky, you might get it for the trip, assuming you get on a priority list. To be safe, I would have a 2nd choice ready to buy… or I would be calling a Nikon Rep/Ambassador. Might want to tell them you also want to provide a youtube review to sweeten the deal.

        • Thom Hogan

          I have problems with that sort of naive thought. What most of us have discovered is that the Sony sensor/UVIR filtration optical path isn’t exactly great for DSLR-type lenses. If nothing else, the corners go all wonky due to telecentricity issues.

          If you’re going to buy a high megapixel count body, use the lenses that were designed for it if you want to get the benefit of all those megapixels.

          • I’ve seen spectacular results with the Canon 11-24mm on the A7R2. I know some adapters do not have the correct flange distance. Ultimately, I’ll be shooting both brands – 2 systems. I failed to mention this way up thread stream. In the short term, I hope to pick up the latest high MP camera, from either camp, and use my 14-24mm on it. If it’s Sony, I will start to add some fantastic native glass, like the Loxia 21mm.

      • The lack of lenses and their overpricing has certainly held me back from investing in more Sony kit. I have had Sony mirrorless as a second camera to my D800 for sometime but not made much use of it. I’m still unimpressed by the lens options so I have been looking again at converters for my Nikkors but I’m not convinced by any of those I have come across.

        • animalsbybarry

          The three choices
          Sony…excellent sensors mirrorless cameras but lens selection sucks
          Nikon … good cameras , sensors and lenses but no mirrorless camera
          Canon…. goood cameras and lenses but thier sensors suck and no good mirrorless

          All 3 are lacking in some very important camera system elements
          Whoever fills in the missing elements first will have a big advantage

          So I hope Nikon will will have a top notch FF mirrorless before I have to choose between the D850 or A7Riii/A9

          • I will definitely replace my D800 with the D850. If Nikon come up with a decent mirrorless then I’ll replace my Sony with it, too. I’ll certainly wait and see what they have to offer before I consider any more Sony gear.

    • Shutterbug

      I don’t think anyone is goingto be buying the D850 just for it’s resolution – 46MP was surpassed long ago and 42MP has been available for years. It will be the combination of features, AF, DR, speed, etc. that make it a unique camera in today’s market. If all you want is MP, the D850 probably isn’t for you – or buy a 5DSR and live with the laundry list of compromises.

      If you need it for a trip though, no doubt it’s frustrating to wait – we’re all in the same boat.

      • El Aura

        And resolution is part of that combination of features. Somebody to whom resolution is important is very unlikely buying the 5Ds over the D850 be for 50 vs 46 MP difference.

    • TwoStrayCats

      Sometimes not being in a hurry is okay – if you’re getting something right before you place it on the shelves.

    • Thom Hogan

      I love this. You’re comparing an as yet nonexistent camera with one that isn’t even yet reasonably rumored. May I suggest that there will be something even better than isn’t even in the rumor mill yet? ;~)

      The next Sony will be the A7 Mark III. The next Nikon will be the D850. They are not cameras marketed at the same target.

      • I understand the A7 Mark III has traditionally been first, followed by the “R” version. But, I do think there is a strong possibility of Sony releasing the A9R before.

        “May I suggest that there will be something even better than isn’t even in the rumor mill yet? ;~)” – I admit, I’ve lost a TON of confidence in Nikon’s R & D and future.

        I budget for a pro camera upgrade every 3 years, with a potential of 2-3 pro lens upgrades. It’s not like I have to scrap for the $ to pay these upgrades. Business is good, budgeting forecasts, ie trying to predict whats next is far from perfect. But, we all know what is coming down the pipe in the future with cameras. More DR, more MP, better AF, etc… The question is when.

        I do wonder, when will the next “big” sensor technology take place. A major step like when we went from film to CCD sensors. CCD to CMOS. Is the next big technology curved with near 90% fill rate. Or a future foveon. I really do wonder whats next…

      • tom

        the longer nikon waits to release d850, the shorter the time it is between the release of d850 and the a7riii/a9r, or even Nikon mirrorless. and that makes it more tempting to just wait a little longer for a7riii/a9r, in addition to giving Nikon at least 6 months after release to fix the bugs. been waiting for d850 for a long time and slowly losing interest. and all the talks about Nikon’s poor support and a company with poor leadership don’t help building confidence in investing in a DSLR system.

  • Tadao_Isogai

    Perhaps wise to keep in mind Nikon announced the release of the SP in September 1957, sixty years prior to next month. From Nikon’s imaging web site: “In September 1957, a[] [SP] announcement meeting was held in Chicago first, and then in New York and Tokyo simultaneously in the same month.”

  • br0xibear

    Yahoo Japan published an article about Nikon today, and mentioned the D850, DL range and mirrorless. It’s in Japanese and Google Translate has real difficulties with it, so here’s the link for any Japanese speakers out there who want to translate…

    https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20170808-00010001-newswitch-ind

    • Coffee

      Yeah, used Chrome to translate. Nothing new related to D850. Kazuo Ushida comes across as sexist (against women at least), “It’s easy for women to use single lens reflex”, but it sounds like they want to make a different mirrorless camera.

      The articles at the bottom are more interesting:

      【Related article】
      How far will Mirror-less get into SLRs? Overcome weak points with advanced technology

      Why are light and dark in digital camera sales, BIC camera and Yodobashi

      After five years, Condeji broke 10 million single lens reflex two years later

      The day when the term “digital camera” disappears from Sony

      Nikon, poor camera business “Domestic factories are not closed” (executives of the company)

      • Hans Bull

        Sexist? Stop whining

    • Nakayamahanzaemon

      It’s kind of a summary article that Nikkan Kogyo Shimbun has written so far about Nikon. No new information is there in my opinion.

  • animalsbybarry

    From what I have seen so far the D850 is a camera I will want
    But I expect I will want the new Nikon mirrorless even more…and I do not want to buy both

    I have heard comments that worry the new mirrorless will severely cut into DSLR sales therefore Nikon should be reluctant to do it… I do not share that view because if people buy the Nikon mirrorless and not the Nikon DSLR they are still buying Nikon

    And trying to get people to buy the possibly more expensive and not as good DSLR by withholding the better and less expensive mirrorless is not a policy I would agree with

    So bring on the new Nikon FF mirrorless….I am ready for it !!!

    • geofflivingston

      I am buying mirrorless next.

      • animalsbybarry

        Nikon’s failure to build a FF mirrorless in a timely manor ( AKA Nikon’s insistence in relying on DSLR sales) may prove to be thier undoing

        In many important markets Nikon has already slipped to third place behind Sony…and Canon has been gaining market share big time

        • “In many important markets”? No, only in one, and for a short period of time. Let’s not make up stats here unless you have the data to back it up. At the current rate I will take years for Sony to get to the #2 spot – Thom recently posted some numbers here.

          • Thom Hogan

            Yeah, let’s be clear. Latest numbers show Nikon still well ahead of Sony in ILC, though I suppose Sony is higher in mirrorless (given Nikon’s almost lack of participation now). Nikon is still bigger than Sony in compacts, too, though both are way down from their highs.

    • RC Jenkins

      I want both. But only if the mirrorless model is differentiated and fills the gaps that the D850 and other mirrorless models from other manufacturers don’t provide.

      To me, this presumably means optional silent shutter, thin body, new mount, a good mount adapter, OSPDAF, improved size/quality mirrorless lenses, improved video, ibis, decent battery life, competitive price.

      Sounds like a lot, but it’s actually not too bad. If Nikon simply puts out a DSLR with no mirror and and EVF, I think they’re on the wrong path and their market share will continue to suffer.

      Timing-wise, I’m perfectly happy with 2018. But please release a better system than Canon, ideally before Canon.

      • animalsbybarry

        I would be fine with F mount or E mount and a functional adapter

        • RC Jenkins

          Some people would be fine with an F-mount; but I wouldn’t be.

          Not using the F-mount will allow Nikon a lot more flexibility & creativity.

          For example, imagine an F-mount adapter that allows all lenses to suddenly become tilt-shift lenses. Or even things like use of Canon L EF lenses on a Nikon body.

          At the same time, the camera body can be thinner than current DSLRs (which are about as thin as they can get).

          And at the same time, Nikon can produce faster glass, with a larger image circle to improve IBIS and wide-angle corner performance.

          The E-mount has its own shortcomings, and Nikon should exploit these by going with a larger throat diameter.

          There are a lot of benefits to Nikon using a new mount. With a new mount, they open up possibilities for future benefits; but without it, I think they’ll face even tougher challenges in the mirrorless world.

          Nikon needs a future-proof mirrorless mount; and unfortunately, F-mount doesn’t cut it.

      • Thom Hogan

        Given what I currently know, The D850 and Nikon’s next mirrorless camera are completely different beasts. Very, very different beasts. And the D850 is going to surprise a few with a couple of specs that aren’t yet known.

        • Please Thom, don’t repeat that sort of “(whatever Nikon camera) is going to surprise a few with a couple of specs that aren’t yet known.” comment.

          Don’t be cruel. Don’t be a sadist.

          I know you aren’t…

          • +1

          • Allan

            Stay tuned!

        • We are all ears Thom….

        • br0xibear

          “Given what I currently know, The D850 and Nikon’s next mirrorless camera
          are completely different beasts. Very, very different beasts.”

          Hmmm, the D850 is the high MP D810 replacement made for enthusiasts and professionals…which means the mirrorless will be lower MP and made for the mass market, as in the D3000 range ?

          “the D850 is going to surprise a few with a couple of specs that aren’t yet known.”…good surprise or bad surprise ? lol

          • RC Jenkins

            I hope not. Mirrorless & D850 can be completely different beasts without the mirrorless camera being a D3000…

            I’d personally like to see the mirrorless camera cover the D750-ish range (but obviously better in the areas I listed). Or a rangefinder-styled camera like Fuji’s X-Pro2.

            I’d consider both of these to be a far cry from a D850 but still enthusiast/pro level.

            • br0xibear

              Sorry, what I meant was the mirrorless to be targated at the D3000 end of the market.
              No one mirrorless is going to cover it all, so I’m assuming their will be more than one body…but which one will be announced first, maybe more than one at the same time…I don’t know.
              Everyone has their heart set on a particular type of mirrorless…not everyone is going to be happy.

          • I am sorry but this doesn’t tell us anything. Yes, an apple is different than an orange – I can say this about many thing without saying anything.

            • br0xibear

              Does Google Translate work on Thoms’ comments ? Lol

            • everybody wants a piece of the rumor pie – that’s the translation, we talk about that already

          • Allan

            I’m guessing good surprises. Why mess with the D8xx line, a money-maker?

  • Jim Soroka

    Nikon failed to deliver in July. This drawn out marketing effort may have tipped their hand.
    One big camera manufacturing company recently announced a 7th “PhotoKina” like weekend announcement…almost a full month before Nikon decided to grace us with their gift to photography.

    • D700s

      You sound bitter Jim. Have a Snickers.

      • Jim Soroka

        I do…don’t I. Don’t mean to.

        Maybe I need 2 snickers…with a chaser. ha

    • nwcs

      Well, Fuji will put out what exactly? The X-E3 will not be a big seller for them though the users of the X-E series are very devoted to it. None of the X-E models have sold well. I had two of them and they are good but I realized I dislike that form factor.

      The 80mm macro is long expected and delayed. It’s very welcome but probably not going to sell as much as people expect. Basically Fuji’s announcement won’t have much impact on Nikon’s announcement. There’s room for both. 🙂

    • Nakayamahanzaemon

      Nikon didn’t promise to deliver anything in July. So it’s no problem.

      BTW, I kind of think that Nikon deliberately avoided to release a product in July due to marketing concerns. People are away in July or August for summer holidays in major countries, which is why Nikon tends to announce in September or at least after mid-August. As far as I know, Nikon hasn’t announced any cameras in July or until mid-August in the last few years.

      I think that the demand for cameras is the largest just after the release. The development announcement in July is like: We will prepare a product for you after summer, so have a good holiday until then.

      • RC Jenkins

        Sorry, but don’t buy it.

        Do you remember the D810? When was it announced and released?

        Nikon missed the date for the D850. They haven’t been moving with a sense of urgency. Nikon is unfortunately too slow and calculated, and their market share suffers because of this culture of conservatism.

        I’d guess their existential crisis earlier this year contributed.

        The D850 sounds like it will be a brilliant camera–it arguably may be one of the best DSLR’s ever created for most scenarios. But Nikon’s timing here is a big fail AFAIK.

        Sort of reminds me of the Gran Turismo vs Forza crisis in the video game world.

        • Nakayamahanzaemon

          The D810 was announced in June, and released in July 2014.

          • RC Jenkins

            Yup. Exactly my point.

            Certainly not a poor time to release a camera. It gives Nikon time in the summer, astro time with brilliant marketing opportunities, and time (months) to prove reliability before the holiday season, where Nikon can offer additional incentives to really boost sales.

            Nikon is losing the opportunity to prove this camera’s capabilities by releasing so late in the year.

            An early-mid August (ie. “now”) release was perfect for Nikon.

            • Nakayamahanzaemon

              I’m not following your point. What I said can prove my point. If Nikon announces a product in June, you can pre-order it at least until early July and get it in late July if everything goes well. Everything can be done just before August. If you take summer vacation in July, that’s too bad. Even Canon tends to avoid the announcement from July to mid-August.

            • RC Jenkins

              You said that July is not a good time to release any cameras.

              The D810 disproves that.

            • sandy

              This is the same time frame Nikon announces and releases their cameras in the second half of the year.

            • RC Jenkins

              Nikon announces and releases cameras throughout the year, when they’re good and ready, sometimes instead of when they should.

            • sandy

              No, I am generally correct. They pretty consistently announce at certain times of the year. Are their anomalies? Sure, but generally for regular announcement / releases you can generally count on when they are.

            • RC Jenkins

              Do you know what you’re arguing here…?

            • sandy

              Hence the word “Certain”. And “this is the time” meaning now. Late winter announcement, spring release, late summer announcement, fall release.
              These announcements generally coincide with shows or events.

            • RC Jenkins

              Scroll up, and read the context of this conversation, and look up the actual dates. This is a waste of my time.

      • Thom Hogan

        I don’t think Nikon withheld the D850 due to marketing concerns. This is a company that has launched significant cameras in July and December previously. They seem to release when something is ready, regardless of whether that’s a great date or not.

        I do think they schedule dates specifically. If you look at their tendencies, the Jan-Mar and July-August timeframes seem to be their primary targets. But they obviously are driven by sensor testing and availability, and that has distorted a lot of their expected timing over the years.

    • geofflivingston

      Their marketing is piss poor. With strong rivals that are better at marketing, Nikon has lost and will continue to lose marketshare so long as they rely on past DSLR strength.

  • sickheadache

    I got my invitation…Can’t wait for Nikon to explain Crapbridge in person..

  • Ed Hassell

    Actually, I’m being snide and elitist; but, isn’t it fun insulting someone that damnable with something so obviously beyond their comprehension?

    And just to keep it on topic, I’m definitely planning to purchase the new D850, relegating my ancient D800E to backup duties.

    • MB

      You are and it isn’t, but who am I to judge…

    • Black Spy

      I’m going to replace my faithful old D800E with the D850 too, and give it a quiet retirement :-).

  • Vince

    No big deal as far as I am concerned. I would love to see 46MP, and improved low and high ISO, the D5 AF system. 8 to 10fps or more would be nice to have, but not critical for what I shoot, don’t shoot sports or BIF. I don’t care about 4k video or 8k time-lapse video, as I have had the D800 for almost 5 years and have never shot one video to this day. Yeah, there are lots of good things about it, but I will not be in a rush to buy one. I will most likely wait for the D810 prices to drop and pick up that instead to replace my D800. Maybe Nikon will update the DF and leave it as a stills only camera.

  • I hope it’s going to have the WR-R10 built in or is the bulge on top a connector for it. Surely we won’t have to use an adapter a single with the D500 and D5

    • Maybe the bulge could cover a U.FL socket for an external antennae. What about using the new N16F1 Bluetooth remote control?

    • Ric of The LBC

      and we are off……..

    • Coffee

      Maybe the bulge is a bigger heat sink for the 4k video…

  • Fernando Costa

    I m having this terrible thought, buying a complete set of Fuji xt2 with the same amount of money of a d850 and keep my old blind d800 for landscape any opinions!?
    I need a second body I sold my d300s

    • If you keep your D800, buy a D500. Then later, replace your D800 with a cheap D810.

      • Fernando Costa

        Fuji its smaller lighter silent, and performs very well.
        With d850 money I can by a d500 and a d810 it can be well though 🙂

    • Davo

      What will you be shooting with the XT2 kit?

      • Fernando Costa

        Mostly I shoot for institutional photography, team buildings.
        weddings, magazine, all kind of job that I can do.
        I need a camera that can focos my d800 miss the focus to many times.

        • Coffee

          I cannot see the need of a D850 for that kind of photos. XT2 would be cheaper even if you buy a few lenses as well…

          • Fernando Costa

            No video for now. The grip could be later 300 shoots for batary could be annoying.
            2 types of lenses its not the best yes. The weight and the silent is what makes me think of it
            I don’t really crop heavily to straighten mostly

        • Davo

          Doesn’t seem like you’re focal length limited so IMO two cameras of the same sensor size and mount makes more sense. If you’re invested in F-mount lenses, I’d say a D750 and future D850. Buy a D750 for now. Then upgrade D800 to D850 later.

          • Fernando Costa

            I don’t have dx lens, and yes I have many f mouth lenses many are heavily used I’m getting to the point that I have to replace many things, i have 5000€ to replace material, it’s not that mush

            • Davo

              Reading the other replies u made, it sounds like you actually have an AF issue with your particular unit, rather than the AF specs not meeting your needs. If that is the case I’d probably replace your D800 as soon as you can get a good deal on a D810 or D750 if the MP is adequate for u. I can’t imagine shooting professionally and not having confidence in the AF.
              I know some pros who use a pair/trio of D750’s but I’ll leave advice on this camera from users who have used it at length.

              But having said all that, it appears the D850 would likely address all your needs in one camera. I’m particularly looking forward to how they improve silent shooting, which is one thing I think DSLRs can definitely improve on.
              Good luck with your decision.
              Cheers

          • Fernando Costa

            Just seeing a d750 body for 1700€ In online store -23% tax it about 1300€ Cheap camera, does the af performs well?

            • Davo

              Sounds like a good deal but Nikon pricing is a little inconsistent worldwide so I’ll leave the research to you for your part of the world. But look out for D810 deals in the upcoming months given the impending D850.

    • Rich

      I’d stick with SLRs. I’m not saying the XT-2 isn’t good enough but there’s a perception pro-photographers carry substantial cameras. Plus, the D810 is amazing so the D850 should be something else

    • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

      D7200 is a good camera or the newer D7500 for DX reach or as Rich suggested the excellent D810 if you want another FF camera (same’ish controls as the D800)

      • Fernando Costa

        I must stick with pro body’s as I give them heavie usage.
        My d800 as more then 400k shoots
        And d850 seems very robust, more then d800.
        The longest focal I use is 70-200 and and don’t need for more like Davo said I don’t need dx
        If go for Fuji xt2 is only for the weight and silent operation in some assignments would be fantastic
        Thanks for the opinion.

        • Lladnar

          The D850 is sizing up to be exactly what you want except for maybe price. The D500 fits you there. You’ll have to get used to the 1.5x zoom factor of a DX body for your lenses but to me that’s a plus especially if you have the D800 to cover wide landscape type shooting. I have a mixed bag of DX and FX lenses, they all work great on my DX bodies.

        • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

          IF you need it asap would buy a D810 (some good UK rebates at moment and possibly in your location Fernando). The D850 may come out this year or may be a long lead time + may be quite expensive, e.g., $4200 USD

    • nwcs

      As someone who had Nikon’s for years and Fuji for years (and an X-T2 since it first shipped) I think I’m in a good position to state my opinion. The XT-2 is a great camera and will perform brilliantly. For the type of photography you do it will be fine. That said I can tell you a few other things:

      Fuji bases some of their ergonomics and controls on how Canon does it. You’ll be frustrated with relearning muscle memory from how the lens connects to flash controls. The ergonomics of Fuji is adequate but inferior to Nikon. Fuji lenses are smaller and excellent as whole but AF performance will be frustrating at times. Moving subjects are OK but not great and their PDAF is vertical only and not cross-type.

      It’s a big investment to switch systems. Not just financial but mental. And some people make the switch and like the change for changes sake but never really adapt to the new system very well. Given your old D300s is so old you can easily get the performance you need at a lower price point with even a D7100.

      My recommendation: stick with Nikon as that’s what you are used to and you’re used to a Nikon DX. You can find bargains even with a D7200 (maybe consider a D5500?) and you won’t need to learn anything new. But also rent a Fuji camera. Hold it, use it. See if you really like it. You may decide this is where you need to be.

      • Fernando Costa

        Thanks that’s a very useful info. Didn’t use my d300s for long time so sold it and didn’t replace it I work with only d800 I know it’s a risk but I trust Nikon a lot
        Maybe d750 as i can find one for about 1300€ and it’s a very good camera
        I like Fuji and I m very curious about it, I didn’t know about the only vertical DPAF and not being Cross-type, I m traumatized about an ugly AF performance of the d800 so I really need something that don’t disappoint me

        • nwcs

          The Fuji AF isn’t bad now but it isn’t as good as a dslr overall. But it depends on what you do. It may be perfect for your needs. However there are less expensive Nikon options available with fewer learning curves.

        • Thom Hogan

          I keep reading this statement you’re making and cringing. One of two things: (1) your D800 autofocus is broken; or (2) you’re not understanding something about it. In general, D800 autofocus is not a problem.

          The D800 is notorious for one thing: broken frame. In a D800 with a broken frame, the autofocus sensors at the bottom of the camera are not kept in a fixed position and contribute to very inconsistent autofocus performance. Unfortunately, this is not a defect that can be repaired (Nikon will claim that the camera is unrepairable). Many of us believe it’s a design and manufacturing flaw (combined) that leads to this problem. That Nikon changed the frame design in the D810 at the very point where it was breaking in the D800 is a telling thing.

          But, that said, not a lot of D800’s have broken frames. There’s also the issue of left/right side alignment in the focus sensors that was a problem for about a third of the first six month’s builds of D800, too, which I’ve never found Nikon to be able to completely remove with servicing.

          I’m with the others. A D500 would serve you well. Maybe even a D7200 or D7500.

          • Fernando Costa

            Thanks Thom I do believe my d800 have a problem in AF because its not consistent and time to time changes, I call it nervous or jumpy AF.
            She as been in Nikon to repair the first time Nikon claimed that the camera was good to goo with no problem, and the second the mirror box was broken and they changed it the camera worked fine for long time but now it’s AF is inconsistent again.
            I do be leave I have a defective camera overal 🙁
            I live with it for 4 years, my d300s was better much better.
            Never heard of the “broken frame” problem. Going to check it.

  • Coffee

    Just had a though, I really hope Nikon is not waiting for the eclipse to release the specs of the D850. That would be annoying as hell, but good marketing gimmick. The only issue would be pissing everyone who might have bought one to take a photo of the eclipse.

  • NikonFanboy

    Nikon https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/300f8bc920cbfc35d20efcba84ef042c46c9e0824f2577d02b92b9fe68b707d1.png

    Nikon just posted it on fb. May be it will be released before end of august?

    • NikonFanboy

      Hi Peter(ADmin),

      Looks like nikon might announce D850 before 31st august?

      • Could be, but this “coming soon” banner was available from day 1.

  • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

    Looking good for D850

  • Sorry,bit slow on that. Not one for “reality” celebrities.

    • Lladnar

      Hollywood producer’s spoiled brat actor kids, but not reality show ones (yet). I tried to get Randy to go out for late night scrapple after we attended his movie premiere 11 years ago, he lacked the gumption.

      • So you associate with these spoiled brat actor kids?

  • PhilK

    Looking at some of the sub-threads here (Politics and Trump and the metric system etc etc), I hereby dedicate this topic to “T.I.M.”, who was temporarily banned for “off-topic” posts. 😛

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