Nikon D810 replacement expected to be announced at the end of July


The Nikon D810 replacement is rumored to be announced in late July and start shipping in September - this is the information I have been receiving from several different sources. I still do not have an exact announcement date which means that a potential delay for August is still a possibility.

Here again are the rumored specifications:

  • The camera will be called D820 (D850 is still a possibility)
  • 45-46MP sensor
  • Improved low and high ISO
  • New and improved version of SnapBridge
  • No built-in GPS
  • Tiltable LCD screen
  • Memory card slots: one SD and one XQD
  • AF system from the D5

Nikon D820 mockup by broxibear

 

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  • If those specs are the “highlights”, and we end up getting better ISO at the expense of dynamic range and very little change in RAW noise… it may be time to ask the question… would I rather have two D810’s or one D820?

    • I don’t find anything tempting in the D820 looking at these specs. It doesn’t bring something new to the table – it’s basically more MP. I still see the output of the 36 MP sensor in the D810 with ISO 64 one of the best with medium format qualities.

      • Agreed… and there have been quite a few times when I wished I had two D810s with me, rather than the D810/D4s combo.

        • Allen_Wentz

          Why? Seriously. The issue is of interest to me.

      • HD10

        The D810 replacement being based on the D500-body with all its enhancements is what appeals to me. At the very worst, the sensor in the new body will perform at the same level as there D810 sensor but it will likely do a bit better. So I am looking forward to this.

        • That would be nice to see it in a D500 body. Nikon needs a uniform design language on their pro bodies where you can find the buttons on the same place. Canon is doing this already for a long time especially on the top plate – this means you can switch bodies (D500 for more speed or D820 for more resolution) and have identical usability followed by blind operation of your fingers.

          • HD10

            That was what I found very appealing with the D700-D300 combo. I hope to see the same again with the D500-D8xx replacement and hopefully, with a true D700-replacement as well (D500 body with new 24mp 4k-capable sensor with 9fps and good for near-200 frames buffer).

        • peter w

          It will not fit in the same body, FX needs a bigger mirror. But D500 specs are great off course.

          • Yeah bigger mirror but the mount size and flange distance is the same. I don’t see a problem in that. Look for example at the Nikon Df – it’s FX and small.

            Here is a camera size example:
            http://camerasize.com/compare/#648,495

            • IronHeadSlim

              I replied before reading yours and HD10’s posts.

              I agree!!!

          • HD10

            Of course a different mirror box and OVF will be needed. I speak of the D500 features and ergonomics.

            • peter w

              Ah, you do, do you?
              ;).

            • HD10

              Yes … and I have said these quite a few times already here at NR, the last one bring in an exchange with Thom Hogan.

          • IronHeadSlim

            The width for bigger mirror is there due to lens mount, it would just be taller due to prism height. Look at D750, the new camera should be close to use same battery grip as D500, I hope, like D700/D300.

            • peter w

              Something up there is taking space and weigth from DX to FX, based on D700/D300 like you say.
              (I would like a D820 which takes the present D800 / D810 grip, it was quite expensive 😉 ).

      • Shutterbug

        The specs are mostly predictable, I don’t think anyone was expecting a surprise. I think a lot of people will be buying it for the CAM20K AF alone.

      • Allen_Wentz

        It depends on what one is upgrading from.

      • Thom Hogan

        I’ll remind people that, on the specs, there wasn’t anything to make the D810 look like a D800 would want to upgrade. But in reality, the D810 is just a far better camera, with lots of small things that make it better in virtually all shooting circumstances.

        • What i wanted to say with this comment is for example it would be great to have IBIS on a such high resolution body. The Pentax K-1 does have it for a 36 MP sensor. Most prime lenses from Nikon don’t have VR, as well as Zeiss or Sigma primes. It would make the tool more flexible and IBIS could also compensate for video.

    • C-M

      There won’t be a D820 , the name will be D850
      Compare D7200 where Nikon said that a D7300 wouldn’t convay the improvements of the new camera= D7500

      • Brent Rawlings

        Yup, resetting the lineup to a 5 number.

  • Kob12

    I doubt that the D820 will match the focussing speed of the D5 due to the 45MP sensor readout speed constraints. Maybe same AF concepts as D5’s, but not speed.

    • IronHeadSlim

      How does the denser sensor hinder focussing speed?

      • Kob12

        If the main CPU does the AF calculations, then it will have less time available due to the need to off-load and process image data. If Nikon does manage to put a dedicated AF uC, and they have a separate AF CMOS sensor, then denser sensor will not hinder focussing speed.

        • Shutterbug

          The main EXPEED5 CPU does not do AF calculations on the CAM20K system, both the D5 and D500 have dedicated CPUs for AF. If the $1700 D500 has this, surely the $3500 D820/D850 will.

    • Bob Thane

      The AF sensor is different from the actual sensor – cameras of different resolutions can have the same resolution AF sensor.

    • peter w

      two independent systems.
      D820 could even focus faster than D5, since black-out time could be shorter (as was said to be the case with D3s and D3x).

  • David

    No GPS, would’ve bought it, otherwise can’t wait for the D810 to drop like a rock in price and pick one up, don’t want 46 mp anyway, 36 mp already too much. 🙂

    • I think the 36 MP of the D810 translates into finer detail resolution in the pictures even if you don’t see them at bigger screens with higher resolution you can see the difference in image quality if compared against a D610 or D750.

      Maybe this is the case because the Bayer Sensor creates less interpolation between those RGB pixels. So, the sensor is definitely an improvement in image quality if using it at ISO 64 and not High ISO. But you need high quality lenses as well for that.

      • RC Jenkins

        The D610 & D750 have a higher photosensitive area and QE than the D810 does.

        ISO 64 (which requires more light) is just to allow the D810 to catch up to where the D610 & D750 are at ISO 100.

  • Mehdi R

    And what will happen if Nikon announces D850 and D650 together 🙂

    • Allen_Wentz

      D1500? :~)

  • xb

    Too late … I bought a Phase One …

    • Hans J

      How is it? Which one?

      • T.I.M

        the Phase one

      • xb

        XF + 80mm + IQ280.

        The IQ280: It’s a CCD sensor. The colors are different, they look like analog, more natural. It’s a little computer, you can check if your are sharp, overexpose, etc …

        The XF: heavy and beautiful camera. The autofocus is good… for a medium format. Don’t expect too much. But he s accurate and there an assisting lamp to help ( like the d800).

        I’m really happy with the Phase but I keep my D800 for some specific tasks ( 24 PCE, low light, etc ).

        The only question that matter: will the camera will make me earn more €

        • Hans J

          Nice nice, sounds like a great set up!

  • T.I.M

    We are all very happy about the D820/850/900 announcement, but I would like that all of us observe one minute of silence for the people who bought/ordered a Nikon D7500
    :o(

    • BVS

      Why?

  • T.I.M
  • AnotherView


    45-46MP sensor
    Improved low and high ISO
    New and improved version of SnapBridge
    No built-in GPS
    Tiltable LCD screen
    Memory card slots: one SD and one XQD
    AF system from the D5

    Yawn.

    • Allen_Wentz

      Sounds pretty good to me on paper. No yawning here. Now we need to touch one.

    • D700s

      lol… I understand you probably don’t shoot much so coolpix is enough for you. I’ll take those upgrades right now. WooHoo! Bring it!

    • AnotherView

      Ok, for any “deprived” ;o) shooter who DOESN’T own a D810, then I’ll concede the D820 looks darned good. But for those of us that own the D810 and are not pros, I really don’t see the D820 being worth it, especially considering the price Nikon will want for it.

  • Aldo

    Finally the F350… I’ll wait for the F150 though… I don’t need to tow 13,000 pounds

    • T.I.M

      I did not get that one.

      • Allen_Wentz

        Pickup truck analogy. The F350 is a really heavy Ford pickup (like D820) but all he needs is basic half-ton F150 pickup (like D760).

        • T.I.M

          And I live in USA for 18 years….shame on me!

          • Allan

            If you lived in Texas, we would shoot you for not knowing this. 🙂

            • Allen_Wentz

              If he lived in Texas we would just shoot him, period. :~)

            • Allan

              LOL (good one)

            • T.I.M

              My wife is from Oklahoma, can I just go in jail instead been shot ?

            • T.I.M

              We do have plenty Ford pickup trucks in Florida (we also have many red necks)

          • Tom Bruno

            I thought you were on that island. Or is that your vacation getaway?

            • T.I.M

              That’s right, I forgot about the Kerguelen isalands, no, it was just a joke.
              :o)

  • John Viscovich

    doesn’t seem like a big update, cant see to justify upgrading from a D810.
    I hope these Rumour Specs are wrong.

    • Aldo

      What would justify an update?

      • John Viscovich

        When I Had my D700 they released the D800 , now that’s what I call a update. Maybe I was hoping for something just as big.

        • Allen_Wentz

          How about me upgrading my D3? Enough update? :~)

          • John Viscovich

            Yes absolutely, D820 you will love.

        • Aldo

          The d700 to d800 does seem like a bigger update… but that didn’t answer my question. I think you like many aren’t really sure what they want in an update at this point.

          • John Viscovich

            Yea you are probably correct, I couldn’t care less about video, I just take stills. I don’t want GPS or reverse parking.

        • Bob Thane

          I’d say it’ll be as big, but in a different way. The D700 to D800 was a big update due to megapixels, but you lost fps and AF was basically the same. Now we’ll get the first major update to the AF system since the D700/D3, plus some more megapixels and fps may at last start to approach D700 levels again. So instead of a big megapixel update with a breakeven on AF and a downside of fps, we get a big AF update with decent improvements everywhere else too.

          • John Viscovich

            Yea good point, I still use my D700 for sport

        • Nemanja Rakic

          Except d800 was not a replacement for d700, it was the d750. Its like saying the D5 is a replacement for D810 and you have obviously huge upgrades.

          I guess it all depends how long you had your d800/d810 too. Mine is 5 years old and just the af sensor from D5 and tilt screen are already a big step up. I wont complain about MP raise either. Thats already 3 major improvements right there. Couldnt care less for GPS.

          Dont know what people want more. This is not a phone where u pack in an amoled screen with higher resolution each year or new speakers etc.

      • Chris

        This is going to be a great camera. But it is just another camera that we are all used to. I think we needs something more inspiring as dual pixel raw that allows you to save a few slightly mistaken shots. Aside from that, Canon’s AF fine tune allows applying 2 values (wide and tele) to a zoom lens. Nikon is missing that handy function.

        Features like GPS and touch screen are quite handy. But I can do without them.

        Most of these features Nikon presented had not show its game plan for mirrorless and video on par with similarly priced bodies. I guess that’s the main reason I got put off 🙁

    • D700s

      Disagree. The tilt screen alone is a big deal. A few more MP, nothing wrong with that. You shouldn’t upgrade but I’m going to.

      • Fly Moon

        Same here

  • This sounds AWESOME.

  • Fly Moon

    I totally agree with you!

    I am happy with my new shiny D810 (got it last month), but I welcome the new features. Especially the tillable LCD screen and better ISO. Not so about not having a builtin GPS.

    • Konrad Dubach

      Yes, all those new tillable screens are a real progress. Now we can even grow potatoes on the screen while taking pictures. (sorry, had to write this). Great cameras, no question.

      • Andrew

        Totally unnecessary comment. But apparently ergonomics and functionality means nothing to you.

  • RA

    please don’t be shit, please don’t be shit, please don’t be shit

  • KellyVanRijn

    Yawn. Canon still beats it in the pixel count at 50MP, and Sony’s mirrorless crushes it at 20FPS. Nikon needs a game changer, not incremental baby steps. And the XQD card? Sony is now the only manufacturer that even still makes that. Nikon needs to be looking through the windscreen, not the mirror…

    • sickheadache

      The old 36mp Sony Sensor in the D810 can outshine that Canon Dusty Sensor in all departments. Troll elsewhere.

    • Fly Moon

      You must be kidding me!

      Why do I need 20 fps for landscape, wedding, studio photography?

      Now, 45mp is not enough anymore? There is more to sensors than just the pixel count!

      • Ben

        LANDSCAPE
        -Avalanches, and other quickly moving catastrophes.
        WEDDINGS
        -The bride or groom running quickly away from the altar.
        STUDIO
        -Models on Cocaine and Coffee

    • D700s

      LOL, spoken like a loyal canon shooter. You should buy that sony. It’s all the rage…lol

    • D700s

      I have a D5 and that’s more than enough FPS for me. The AF system out of the D5. Wow! I say this will be a major upgrade if you shoot photos. Can’t please everyone but they’ll please me with these specs.

    • m35g35

      Sony A9 is 20FPS on the electronic shutter. A whopping 5FPS for the mechanical shutter, which is overlooked. Lexar announced they are getting out of the business. They are looking to sell the assets. So, still have 2 manufacturers making XQD.

    • Sandy Bartlett

      Buffer clearing kind of ruins the whole A9 20 fps thing. From IR: “Unfortunately, even with one of the fastest UHS-II cards on the market (a Lexar Pro 2000x UHS-II SDXC card) installed in the one slot that supports UHS-II, clearing the buffer can take a long time, particularly with JPEG files. The worst-case buffer clearing time in our tests was a glacial 254 seconds or over 4.2 minutes after shooting a max-length burst of best quality JPEGs at 5 fps, which fell slightly to 236 seconds after shooting 364 JPEGs at 20 fps. Buffer clearing was faster when shooting RAW files, but could still take well over half a minute for long bursts. ”

      And the Nikon D5: “Buffer clearing was very fast given the burst speeds and buffer depths. When shooting best quality JPEGs, buffer clearing ranged from under one second (pretty much instantaneous) to 3 seconds after 200 frames. When shooting lossless compressed RAW or RAW+JPEG files, buffer clearing ranged from 5 to 8 seconds depending on the mode and file type in our tests.”

    • Allen_Wentz

      1) 46 MP vs. 50 MP count is less than meaningless. _Every_ other parameter matters more.

      2) The a9 has its own flaws. It is not like one can just cherry pick out a single feature like fps.

      3) XQD is superior tech and will always be available, just like Beta tape and floppy disks are still cheaply available. Who makes it is irrelevant.

      4) ALL of Nikon’s recent pro offerings have been industry leaders: D800, D5, D500. That IS “looking through the windscreen.”

  • D700s

    If it has the rumored specs I’ll buy immediately. The D810 has been wonderful camera but that new tilt screen is great! Love it on my D500. Could’ve used it today. Instead, I lay on the floor……

  • BVS

    It’ll be interesting to see what the max FPS is in DX mode. D810 can do 7fps in DX mode (with grip). If D850 (I like it better than D820) can do 8FPS+ then you’ve basically got a D500 built into your D850.

    • Allen_Wentz

      First we need to handle the new body. If it is just a slightly larger D500 body, sweet. If not, then I want to see the D5s or D5x.

      Your comment about “you’ve basically got a D500 built into your D850” is right on. Having an identical-cheese FX body as primary with the awesome D500 as secondary and high fps body is an exciting prospect to me; a goal of mine for more than a decade [gotta see the body tho].

      Each individual lens behaves differently on FX and on DX. A few characteristics are obvious, but there are a lot of specific individual-lens differentials. How a high-MP FX body and the 21 MP DX D500 treat each lens in one’s quiver will be of great interest. E.g. my guess is a 300mm lens pic through DX will be preferable to a cropped FX D850 pic through the same lens; however, that can only be determined empirically.

      The issue of a grip and possible grip-related performance changes are of interest. In my case I use RRS L-plates, so the issue of a grip is kind of a permanent grip vs. no-grip decision because changing out L-plates is a PITA and pricey.

  • sickheadache

    A tech question..because I do not know…I Use this combo…D810 and Sigma’s 50mm Art…But when I see the tech readout..it says my focal length is 53mm using the Sigma 50mm Art. Any Tech Geeks out there…know that a true 50mm is now 53mm? What gives? Thanks

    • James Michael

      Not a tech answer, but I think there is plenty of “rounding” going on in the lens game. I don’t think any 70-200mm is exactly 70 and 200. Plus, they measure the lenses at infinity and don’t account for focus breathing.

  • Ashok Vashisht

    Can we expect the successor to D750 thereafter ? Or in 2018 ?

    • Allen_Wentz

      IMO with crashing DSLR sales and some kind of mirrorless response we should _not_ be expecting all the existing product lines to just be upgraded the same old ways. Nikon _must_ rearrange product lines.

      Mt personal hope is that they lose the D6xx line, but I have no access to sales data.

  • Carleton Foxx

    Please god tell me that someone besides Lexar makes the XQD card, yes

    • Allen_Wentz

      It – does – NOT – matter !

      Heck one can still inexpensively buy floppy disks and Beta tape.

      • Nikon should just do double xqd and grow some balls.

      • Max

        Maybe nikon can buy lexar 🙂

    • Allen_Wentz

      Yup. Sony.

  • Shubhabrata Adhikary

    Will it have on IBIS like 6D MII ??

    • 6D Mk2 doesn’t have IBIS. It’s only anti-shake software for video.

  • teteouu

    Don’t forget a possible earthquake/tsunami that can delay for a long time …

    • Allen_Wentz

      Or the sky may fall chicken little…

    • Ric of The LBC

      or the Russians.

      DRINK!

  • Where is this 45-46 MP sensor coming from? I can’t find anything in the Sony catalog for Sensors if you look here at Sony Semiconductor:

    http://www.sony-semicon.co.jp/products_en/IS/sensor2/products/index.html

    • Eric Calabros

      Why should it be in Sony catalog?

      • Because a Canon fanboy said that the image quality is decreasing with the sensor from the Sony A9 and that Sony will trade-off read-out speed in favor of image quality in the future. I’ve heard that Nikon does customize their sensors but i am not sure.

        • RC Jenkins

          Why would they use the high-speed optimized, 24MP A9 sensor for the successor to the 36MP D810?

          Most people speculate they will use a larger cut of the D500’s sensor. 20MP DX at the same pixel density = 46MP FX.

    • Allen_Wentz

      Most folks expect it to be the D500 sensor scaled up to FX. The math works.

    • Max

      You think it might be under wraps?

  • 46MP is OK, but sadly I think it’ll mean that the video will be cropped. Again cropped is OK as long as they provide an apsc window so that we can at least use DX lenses to get wide. If there’s a 1.3 crop and no apsc mode there’ll be tears

    • Nikon video has always been crap. Start the flow of tears now.

      • DSP~

        Agree. Used my D750 and D600 long enough to know that video is unusable. I don’t know about the new 4k codec they implemented in the D5/D500 but with the heavy crop it would be unusable for me aswell…

      • I shoot 1080 with the d5300 & d5500. Some of the images I get with it are not at all crap. If only it had a decent codec it would be fabulous. And its usability is truly terrible. All of this is easily fixable. But I think I might start crying now just to avoid dissapointment

  • Photoman

    Looking forward to upgrade my 5 year old D800

  • sickheadache

    Well it will not be a 45mp camera. I predict a 46mp. lol

    • nwcs

      45.9 but people say 45. Just like the 20MP D500 which is 20.9. People round down and not up for this for some odd reason.

      • Allen_Wentz

        Not me. Engineering rounding is too ingrained in my being. 21 MP…

  • decentrist

    Everyone, start dumping your D810s, they’re horrible!

    • James Michael

      Looking to buy one on the cheap? I ain’t selling mine anytime soon.

      • decentrist

        they’ll be wave of them in the next 2-6 weeks

    • Tony

      The target audience is not just D810 users. There will be many D800 users (like me) who could not justify upgrading to a D810, but for whom the D820 is more likely to be a compelling upgrade (both because of the functional benefits and, in my case, because my D800 has endured 2 more years of sustained use).

      • decentrist

        Good for you, and even D700 upgraders, but the latest/greatest crowd will be dumping 810s en masse after the announcement. Some folks are going to be snagging 810s for a very good price.

        • Tony

          What I cannot tell you is the relative sizes of the “latest/greatest crowd” and the “upgrade when there is a good reason to do so crowd”. I belong to the latter group – perhaps I am outnumbered.

  • Would be good to see a double xqd slot instead of half assing it. If you’re going to fail might as well go all out lol RIP

    • Max

      Here we go again with the card slots. Nikon can’t have everyone happy

      • Mike A

        They will have no one happy with the the card slots

        • nwcs

          They would if they made it a modular component. Then you pre-order the configuration you need. Similar to the D5 arrangement.

          • Allen_Wentz

            Excellent idea. Then all the folks here who want SD could intentionally slow down their cameras and workflows so they can save a few bucks on cards.

            My guess is that the design engineering in smaller cameras like D8xx may not be as amenable to modules as the D5 is. Plus look what happened with D5: very quickly pros realized how superior XQD cards are, leading to fewer CF bodies.

            • Hans J

              It should be a modular component. I don’t want XQuitD cards.

          • James Michael

            Great idea. Then all of the spray and pray button mashers can waste their money on memory cards. While the people smart enough to press the shutter release only at the critical moments, can use the money they save to buy better lenses.

  • Allen_Wentz

    Thanks for that link.

  • James Michael

    Nikon is probably doing something wrong. Looking at the Lexar 2000x. On the D500 writing is at 163.4, but on the computer it is 267.187 with a Sandisk reader. Why is the reader so fast, but Nikon so slow? On the D7500 it only writes at 81.1. That is horrible.

    I don’t think the card is the problem, but the cameras.

    • Exactly what spy black is saying.

    • ITN

      Write speeds of SD cards are typically much slower in practicethan implied in the specification. Reading can be moderately fast.

      • Thom Hogan

        I’ve yet to see a Nikon camera achieve what a state-of-the-art SD card can achieve in writes. The D500 is the closest they’ve come, IMHO.

        • ITN

          Right, but are any non-Nikon cameras faster to write on SD than the D500?

          • Thom Hogan

            Yes, I think so. But I haven’t actually done something I could say was a true apples-to-apples comparison. That’s kind of difficult to do in a way that’s fair.

            The obvious candidates to test for this are the XT-2, EM-1II, GH5, and A9.

            • ITN

              According to cameramemoryspeed.com tests, D500 and E-M1 II are the fastest at equal speed (163MB/s); A9 is slightly slower (152); GH5 significantly slower (92) to write on SD UHS-II cards. X-T2 test is not published on their site.

    • Thom Hogan

      Hey, someone else finally noticed. That camera makers have been using lower speced parts in a number of the communication aspects for quite some time. It saves them money (both in the part and in the software development necessary to actually provide a benefit from the faster part).

      • Proto

        Yup, thats the real truth about slow performance

  • fränk

    me want 820 with 20mp FX and 4K no crop!

  • What did you do with your camera in that decade? Kept it carefully and waited for it to become a vintage item?

  • DSP~

    So speed is topping out at UHS-I specs again, I suppose?
    So much for redundancy. Either give us two fast card slots or just a single one. Limiting the cameras capabilities by using a slow second slot is just plain idiotic.

    • IronHeadSlim

      UHS-II.

      • DSP~

        So the actual write speed will be about 100-120MB/s, considering that the D500 tops out at about 136MB/s while only writing to one card.
        That would mean that the D820 will be able to shoot continuously with about 2.5-3 FPS while the buffer is full.
        Thats not that amazing to be honest.

        EDIT: With 2 XQD slots, the camera could archive over 5 FPS with the fastest cards… Just saying.

        • IronHeadSlim

          I agree, I was just making the point that D500 has UHS-II SD, so the D820 would also. I have a D500, if I want fast I just use the one XQD. Not optimal and I would rather double XQD but maybe there is a lot of folks that want an SD drive?!

          • DSP~

            +1
            Some will say that it won’t be necessary to have high frame rates and write speeds because the D820 is no sports camera.
            But why does Nikon give away so much potential by crippling the XQD slot with a slow SD slot?
            For wedding and event work, redundancy is key because its not about the money or the project, that may be lost when a card fails – but one of the most important moments in a life may be undocumented. And that is a risk I am not willing to take, so I always use both slots for saving the full size RAWs.
            Either go the slow way or go the fast way Nikon! Dual UHS-II or dual XQD / CFast / CF or whatever. But don’t make MY work so much more expensive and yet inconvenient by letting me buy an expensive and yet useless XQD card, even if i cannot use the full speed and potential.
            I will need to buy 4-6 XQD (each at least 80-110€) cards in addition to my SD cards (each 40-50€) if I want to buy the D820 and get no additional value. That’s crap!

            • Allen_Wentz

              It is _very_ important to have XQD in a high end camera.

              1) Even optimally implemented SD UHS-II is substantially slower than XQD in camera.

              2) SD UHS-II is substantially slower than XQD in post-processing workflow.

        • manattan

          The fps is not tied to the card write speed but is a function of the sensor offload ability. Camera makers often crippled what the sensor can do by including a crappy buffer or slow card write process, but technically that is not what is determining fps. For example the Nikon 1 and Sony a9 only use SD cards but both are capable of high fps, with the later having a large buffer to minimize the shooting impact.

          • DSP~

            I know that. That is why I mentioned the 160MB/s write speed of the D500 and not the 300MB/s write speed of that one Sony SD card.
            I know that no media is not slowing down the camera while filling the buffer. With my D750 I often run into the card slot / controller limit, giving me about 2-3 FPS to work with while capturing some action or an important sequence. That is an issue that a larger buffer can and will resolve most of the times, but – just some food for thought:

            When I can rely on the buffer being large enough not to run into the card / controller limit, why do I need the XQD speed in the first place?

            When I cannot rely on the buffer being large enough, why cripple the offload speed with a slow UHS-II slot?

            In no case (except single card shooting) you can use any benefits of the XQD card except the transfer speed to your PC. Isn’t that a waste of money?

  • TinusVerdino

    If it has the same pixels as the D500 DR will be worse than the D810

    • paige4o4

      D500 sensor could have been tuned for high ISO performance. It’s possible Nikon could simply tweak it for low ISO.

    • Bob Thane

      At equivalent print sizes, it should have more DR actually. From ISO 400 and onwards the D500 has more DR than the D810, and at ISO 100 the difference is about a third of an Ev.

      Looking at the 7DII vs 5DSR, the 5DSR has about two thirds of a stop more DR – so you can expect that by making a full frame D500 sensor you’d get a similar DR increase, thus putting it ahead of the D810.

    • HD10

      The DR of a DX D500 sensor scaled up to FX will be a bit better. It’s not difficult to see how the D500 DX sensor scaled up to an FX sensor will perform. Click on the link below to see how the D500 crop sensor will compare to a D810 cropped to 1.5 DX equivalent:

      http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D500,Nikon%20D810(DX)

      • TinusVerdino

        dr doesn’t scale

        • HD10

          You need to read more carefully what I wrote. Your original statement is wrong. Your reply is also wrong.

          • TinusVerdino

            You need to educate yourself.

            • HD10

              Res ipsa loquitor.

            • TinusVerdino

              Parotises Liquor

            • HD10

              In the anonymity of the Internet, it is easy and quite common to see people get nasty and be quite different than if one were talking to them face to face in person. So this is perhaps what you think I was doing.

              This is not what I did. What I did instead was to post a link to a site which shows that an FX sensor based on the current D500 DX sensor, will likely have better DR than the current sensor in the D810. Another way to say that is that on a per pixel level, the D500 sensor has better DR than the D810 sensor. This is why I asked you to more carefully read my reply.

              Reading your reply, I replied with a well known Latin Maxim which translates simply to “The thing speaks for itself” which is another way of saying “when the new sensor is released, we will know the DR of the new sensor vs the DR of the D810 sensor.”

              This is a forum where intelligent discourse is carried on and this is what I did. Your reply making use of words that seems likely intended as a
              verbal abuse does not affect me but rather, reflects more of you. I believe that you can do better than this.

            • TinusVerdino

              It’s what you make out of it. It still doesn’t scale. At base ISO (is wat DXO uses to grade DR) it still will have less dr.

            • Fernando Gimenez

              In nikon d800 you lose one stop of dynamic range +- in dx mode. If you gain it going through fx the new sensor should have a low light iso +- of 5100 (6.5dr) pretty much the same as d750 if it’s based on an scaled version of d500. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/901bd533a05235c8c362429bc592be5b2d44240ed33fefe9907b512354f2f3e8.png

            • HD10

              In trying to understand the likely performance of a new FX sensor that is based on a 20.9mp D500 DX sensor but which has been scaled up in size to FX, I looked at the performance of these existing FX sensor and how these perform at DX or 1.5x crop. I then compare these with the performance of the DX sensor of the D500. Here is a link to the PDR of the D800E, D810, D750 at DX against the DX D500:

              http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D500,Nikon%20D750(DX),Nikon%20D800E(DX),Nikon%20D810(DX)

              I should add this point. The D500 20.9mp sensor seems to have been optimized to meet several needs, one of which is a faster throughput that also enables higher fps. As high fps is not a priority in a D8xx replacement, I believe that Nikon can optimize the sensor performance of the new FX sensor for the D8xx replacement for better DR/SNR/Tonality and Color at its chosen ISO settings. The end result may be that the new FX sensor will perform a smidgen better than the current D800E / D810 / D750 sensor at the chosen ISO setting and this will not necessarily follow the trend shown in the linked graph.

              The D810 sensor seems to have been optimized to perform best at Base ISO even if this be at the expense of lower performance at higher ISO compared to the D800E. If Nikon repeats this again in the D8xx replacement which is what I expect, the new FX sensor at DX will likely have a different performance curve from the DX D500 sensor even if it was based from such but upsized to FX.

              On another point, though it is widely believed that the 20.9mp D500 DX sensor will be used as the basis for a new 4K-video capable 46-47mp FX sensor, I think it is still possible that Nikon may use the 24.2mp D7200 DX sensor of the D7200 as the basis for a 4K-video 54mp FX sensor for use in a D8xx replacement. In such a case, the DX performance of this new FX sensor will likely parallel and be closer to the performance of the D7200 sensor as the latter is well optimized to perform at Base ISO.

              If all the above proves too long and involves much speculation, we could perhaps just await what Nikon will announce by July 25. Then we need to wait a bit more until the the test results of how the sensor in the new D8xx replacement performs becomes available. By then, we would know precisely how the new FX sensor compares against all the FX sensors from Nikon.

  • So nothing new here then …………….

  • JXVo

    The D5 AF system and tilt LCD will be great but I would also like to see backlit buttons like the D500 …and the AF ‘toggle’ at the back. Building in some form of Wifi via Snapbridge is also useful but remains to be seen how practical it will be with those large files.

    36MP is enough for me. I have a bunch of recent model pro lenses and quite honestly they won’t give much better results with more pixels on the sensor.

    After all that I will probably keep my D800 and D810 combo and go for a D500. The higher frame rate and better AF over the current D8x0 pair will help more at lower cost for those BIF shots

    • Sawyerspadre

      If they leave out the backlit buttons, it will be interesting to see the Nikon marketing minions explain why the D500 needed backlit buttons but the new D8x0 does not. I would bet on it having the backlit buttons.

      • JXVo

        Let’s hope so.
        Some touch screen capability would be great too. I’d love to be able to make menu selections on the LCD by touch instead of inching around sequentially with the cursor pad

  • Sawyerspadre

    I am amazed at the number of comments about nothing, in terms of real information.

    We could be just as surprised by the camera as we were about D500, which I think we all agree was a nice surprise.

    XQD is a good, but not very widely used format. SD is a nice safe 2nd option.
    45mp is enough, as evidenced by the 36 of the D810. It’s what you do with your pixels.
    Yes, it will inherit features from D500

    Relax, take a breath, make some photos, the world is not ending…

    • Hans J

      Seems like this comment was about nothing also…

      • Sawyerspadre

        You could say that.

        Nothing in any of these comments will change a camera that is a month away.

        • Allen_Wentz

          These comments may not change any camera but they certainly do change my level of informedness. I learn from you guys all the time.

    • Andrew

      You have missed the whole purpose of this blog. It is a community where people share their views, clarify their thinking, enjoy each others company, and try to influence the decision makers. In Nikon’s case, I really do not think they enjoy getting input from their users as I have the distinct feeling that thy are confident about the direction they want to take their company and especially their products. I think it is a cultural issue that is steeped in tradition.

      Why not include the mode dial (U1 and U2) on their pro models? And why not give us a version of the smaller body D7000 series cameras which is smaller and lighter with all of the high end features that they can stuff into it without any compromise and price it higher? I think their top managers are not in tune with the cultural changes that is happening in the modern world. I bet those guys have never blogged 😉

    • Bart Ney

      I could be surprised only because of mirrorless D820 or eventually live view AF on the Canon level.

  • Senor Magnifico

    No built-in GPS – BIG FAIL
    Tiltable LCD screen – OK
    XQD ?? – FAIL

    • Antonio

      It’s amazing how fast time goes by!
      A lot of people praising the new D500/D5 AF and wishing the successor of D810 adopts it and at the end nobody realized that these cameras use an “old, crap AF technology”.
      Good and useful remark that can prevent a lot of people to be mistaken and only realize it after spending their hard earned money to get just crap. 🙂

      • Ric of The LBC

        everything is a fail to him

      • Senor Magnifico

        Read with understanding – AF in live view mode

        • Antonio

          As long as you mixed LCD screen and live view AF in the same sentence you should have been more specific if you wanted to consider just AF performance in live view because when you refer to AF technology in D500/D5 you’re including not only contrast autofocus in live view but also extending your criticism to the new Multi-CAM 20K module responsible for normal AF when working with the camera through the viewfinder.

          If you wanted to offer a positive tone you could have asked Nikon to implement Nikon 1 AF technology to the new camera to update and optimize its live view AF.

      • Senor Magnifico

        Live view AF in D500/D5 totally sucks. It is an old and outdated technology comparing to Canon (not mentioning mirror-less cameras like: Fuji, Panasonic, Olympus, Sony)

        • Antonio

          Strange events seem to go on here as 4 days ago you already answered me and I commented back again but both posts vanished.

          Nikon already uses live view PDAF in the Nikon 1 system and it seems to work well, so it is not due to technologic reasons that they don’t apply it in DSLRs so far and when it comes to mirror-less cameras you’ve to compare the AF of the cameras you indicate to the one used in the above system and that they will certainly apply (in present or modified version) to the possible future larger sensor mirror-less cameras.

    • Allen_Wentz

      XQD is the best card format available. Calling it a fail makes no sense.

      And calling D500/D5 AF crap makes you just a lame troll, to be ignored.

    • Mike A

      I’m sure he’s discussing Nikon’s continued use of poorly performing Contrast Based AF for Live View vs everybody using some other form of superior performing tech for AF in Live View in 2017! This is a HUGE FAIL

      Nikon will also not give us full sensor 4K read-out. This will also be a HUGE FAIL.

      This Sensor Better Rock or Nikon is in Deep DooDoo because the Sony A7RIII WILL ROCK and it’s lenses are growing quickly

  • Mike

    I’m more than fine with 36mp, and if I needed 45-50mp, I would rather just get a MF mirrorless.

  • Wade Marks

    It’s obvious from the number of comments that this camera will have high interest in it.

  • I kind of like what Canon did – split their 5D into two products – a high res 50MP version for landscape and product photography and a 30MP for action/wedding shooters. What do you guys think about Nikon doing that with the D8XX series? Then Nikon could satisfy all their customers in the $3K price range.

    • Allen_Wentz

      Yes that has been discussed here before, h and x versions like with the D2 back in 2003. A D5x like the D3x is also a very real (very pricey) possibility.

      Nikon does need to be rearranging product lineups as DSLR sales shrink and Nikon produces whatever its response to mirrorless turns out to be.

  • Andrew

    The reason your camera is worth so little is because Nikon has incorporated a lot of advanced features into their newer cameras. And besides, after eating good food at an exclusive restaurant, it makes no sense to complain that the food is gone.

    The people who bought the D300 are not collectors, they are prosumers and professionals. After using your pro camera extensively for ten years, you are supposed to donate it and not squeeze every ounce of juice out of it 😉

  • Daniel Han

    AF system from the D5 and XQD are 2 greatly welcomed features that I will love to see! Especially XQD. I am personally satisfied with the AF system of my D810, I don’t do any high speed stuffs that require fast AF.

  • Michiel953

    With the D5 AF, more Mp and better low and high ISO the D820 will be an even better general purpose camera than the 810.

    Who would have thought that possible, only six years ago.

    I think it’s groundbreaking evolutionary and balanced development, and Nikon excels at it.

  • teteouu

    Will we get a “BatteryGate” like with the D500 using EN-EL15 V01 instead of V20 ??? T___T

    • Allen_Wentz

      Just use new batteries and new cards with each expensive new camera. Modern tech deserves it.

  • johann jensson

    XQD, really? That would be a dealbreaker. I was so glad i finally got to leave behind CF and the D750 gave me 2x SD – a blissful feature… SD is the perfect size and in the past 15 years of semipro and pro work i’ve never had one single problem with them. They’re affordable and ubiquitous.

    XQD? GTFO.

    • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

      Agree although would like to have one SD/XC and one XQD slot mirroring the one I had on my D500

    • Allen_Wentz

      Affordable if you buy small slow cards and want slow in-camera performance and slow workflow.

      128 GB SD UHS-II is ~$250 while faster 128 GD XQD is ~$150 the last time I checked.

      XQD is far superior to SD. Time to move forward, and especially if one intends to move around large 46 MP captures.

      • johann jensson

        You are right of course, but for people on a very tight budget SD cards are perfect. You can buy many of them and have redundancy, without getting indebting yourself.

        And i never had any speed problems with SD, even with my D800. Maybe XQD will get more important when we cross the 50Mpx mark, but until then there is no need.

    • Mike A

      Some people just like to live in the past…

  • Ken Huffman

    Any rumors on frames per sec? Seems pointless to improve auto focus and leave the camera at 5 frames per sec.

    • Andrew

      What? Frames per second have nothing to do with autofocus if you are talking about low light shooting. Improving the autofocus prevents the camera from focus hunt in low light situations which would otherwise cause you to miss your shots.

      Higher frames per second is primarily beneficial for sports photography. But the higher megapixel count (going from 36 MP to 46 MP) impacts the EXPEED 5 image processor’s ability to process each image more rapidly and thus prevents Nikon from increasing the frames per second by much.

      The EXPEED 5 processor is about 30% faster than the EXPEED 4 whereas 46 MP puts about 28% more load on the image processor. And beside, the image processing engine (hardware) is performing more tasks (algorithm) on newer features like the Auto Picture Control that are tasking the EXPEED 5 processor more heavily.

      Think about the D500, Nikon had to lower the MP count to approximately 21 MP in order to boost frame rate 😉

      • Ken Huffman

        Superior autofocus will help lock on a bird in flight. Faster frames per sec will help catch the bird or anything else in motion at that special time that changes a photo from good to special. Like having a fish supended in mid air between the beak of a great blue heron.

      • Allen_Wentz

        I find that the D500 body and excellent new AF provide new benefits to higher frame rate. Higher frames per second is NOT “beneficial just for sports photography.”

        Even with the D3 and before that the D2x I very seldom used the Ch high frame rate setting; 3 fps was about the fastest I used. However, the combination of all the D500 features: _fast_ AF, AF modes, joystick, viewfinder, fat buffer and high frame rate all work together to make for a new (for me) way to capture images.

        Anything that moves can be looked at differently with the new competence of these new tools. Certainly most critter pix benefit from having higher frame rates available. Kids, dogs, bears, birds – – everything but stupid cat pictures. The concurrent use of a combination of all the tools
        – AF mode
        – easy toggling among multiple focus points
        – fast, reliable AF even in low light
        – auto ISO
        make for new capture competence.

        Those who derogatorily use the term “spray and pray” are probably just ignorant of exactly how these tools work.

    • saywhatuwill

      I made this comment to another person but it’ll apply here too: Whatever the frame rate is it won’t be fast enough for some and the complaints will come in and then the ubiquitous “deal breaker” comment.

      • Ken Huffman

        I love the d810 just like I love the d500. Most of my photography is wildlife and I take many flying bird shots. If Nikon would just boost the frame count to ten frames per sec and change nothing else I will buy the new d820. Improving the autofocus system in the new d820 and not improving the frame count seems absolutely ridiculous to me. My d810 doesn’t need a better autofocus system for what I use it for and for that matter it probably doesn’t need better autofocus system for what most people use it for.

        • saywhatuwill

          Unfortunately the D820 will have the increase in megapixel count that will bog down the Expeed processor. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the frame rate stayed the same.

        • Allen_Wentz

          It is very unlikely that we will see anything like 10 fps from a 46 MP full-pro-DSLR body under $4k.

    • Ken Huffman

      I was afraid of that. I figured something would have leaked out if the frame rate was going to be increased. That’s a shame for Nikon sales because I believe the new d820 would have appealed to more and various types of photographers by making that one change. Actually with an increase in frames per sec the d820 could cover the types of photography I currently use two camera for.

    • Allen_Wentz

      With 46 MP captures, anything above 5 fps will be a bonus.

      • Ken Huffman

        Yeah it would be a nice bonus. I don’t have much hope it will happen though. I’ve often thought if Nikon would take all the good things from the D5, d500, and d810 and put them in one camera they would be producing the perfect camera. Bet they would sell the heck out of them too. Oh well, I’m happy with my d500 and d810. Doesn’t look like I’ll have any reason to purchase a new camera for a while. Certainly not just for more Megapixels.

      • JXVo

        Considering the additional processing power needed for the rumored 45-46 Mp I agree with Allen, unlikely to be faster than current D810 at 5fps for full-frame pics.

        I mostly use my D810 and D800 for wildlife/birding and bought them when I could wait no longer for the D300 replacement and changed to FX. They are great for this, the high resolution and good ISO makes agressive cropping and fast shutterspeeds possible but when using these cameras to shoot wildlife in action (e.g. BIF) the AF and frame rate become limiting when compared to D4/D500/D750

        Personally I am hoping that the D820/850 will have a higher frame rate (I’d want 8fps at least) and I would happily sacrifice the 46 MP and stay at 36Mp to get it. This will complement the rumored D5 AF system nicely…….but I don’t think it will happen.

        The D8x0 series is made for high res, not speed. The D5/500 are the speed offerings and both are spectacular. I suspect Nikon will stick to this delineation of products

  • kbb

    And still with the idiot built-in flash. I know it works and many say they actually use it, but it’s embarrassing, design-wise.

    • Tony

      Is this confirmed or just conjecture? I can see no mention of a built-in flash in the rumored specifications.

    • Antonio

      Why do you say “it’s embarrassing, design-wise”?
      The above image is probably “adapted” from a D810 picture and not a “leak” of the mew model.
      Built-in flash is not idiot and can be useful in certain situations when you don’t have another flash with you or as CLS commander and design-wise the only benefit I see from it’s removal is if that means clearing room to allow PC-E lenses to work better.

    • JXVo

      Embarrassing? You serious or just taking the pi$$?

      Built-in flash is extremely useful. I often use it for a little bit of fill and also to remotely trigger my two CLS flashes.

      I’d regard it a downgrade if it wasn’t there.

      • Allen_Wentz

        Interesting. I disagree. IMO built-in flash
        A) degrades the weather-proofedness of the body and B)

        • JXVo

          Weatherproofing I’ll concede but since I’m not a working pro and I live in an arid country it doesn’t affect me much.

          It still shouldn’t be embarrassing……….

          Really? Its more important to look ‘pro’ than to get the pics?

          D8x0 is meant to be versatile. I’d wager more are sold to enthusiasts than working pros and they want it to do everything

  • Rod P

    Sounds like this will be just another incremental release, probably good for everybody, but very unlikely to set the world on fire. I would like to think Nikon has the imagination to do something a bit more once in a while. I would definitely think twice if they did release something with very good video as well as stills, and maybe even switch back to Nikon from current Sony set up

    • Andrew

      The D500 set the world ablaze a year ago (take a look at the features list!). With the D7500, Nikon released the new Auto Picture Control (Tone Curve) for more perfect exposures including skin tones. Nikon needs to migrate those advanced technologies to the D800 series. Plus the new higher 46 MP count is quite welcome. In engineering, companies come out with major advancements about every 6 or more years, and not every year. But Nikon has been on a more rapid trajectory.

      With regards to video, Nikon has been making steady progress. They were the first to introduce Hi definition 1080p videos at 60 frames per second (fps) up from 30 fps. This was great for watching sports footage on your TV without the blur.

      • Rod P

        OK I will need OLED swivel touchscreen, in built wi-fi, in built stabilization, silent shooting, 4k @120p with LOG, *full* sensor phase detect or dual pixel type AF for stills & video

        • Andrew

          OK, you want a mirrorless camera. Nikon released its first mirrorless camera in 2011 and is no doubt actively developing its technology.

          The Nikon 1 J5 introduced in April 2015 has a Hybrid Autofocus System with 20 fps (frames per second) full-time AF. It also has 4K video. And you get Wi-Fi. Nikon also developed a Dual Detect Optical VR image stabilization technology for the P900 83x Optical zoom camera.

          So even as we speak the pieces are being put into place. Stay tuned…

          Ref: https://www.dpreview.com/articles/5577838490/nikon-1-j5-what-you-need-to-know?slide=7

          • Rod P

            Some of those features should be in a pro level camera, that’s my point. They are not. Both Canon & Nikon guilty of stratifying features in cameras, they almost never cross over

            • Andrew

              You are missing the point. These technologies need to be scaled and that requires serious research and development investments. To push 120 fps video capability requires a more advanced image processor. The new EXPEED 5 image processor improved on the performance of the EXPEED 4 by only 30% because it is not easy to significantly advance the technology of these processors. Adding OLED no doubt increases the cost and consumer purchasing power is not that strong in the current global economy.

              So no one is guilty of anything. The recent advancements in the D500 shows a deep commitment to pushing the boundaries of performance and expanded feature set and yet more is always desired by consumers. Unfortunately consumers cannot afford to buy cameras every two years like they do smartphones. And so the revenue flow is constrained which impedes the companies effort to accelerate the development pace. The current camera technologies are sufficient to meet the needs of most consumers and professionals. And there is a big difference between needs and desires!

          • They haven’t announced any Nikon 1 products in years, not sure how they are “actively” developing their mirrorless tech.

            • Andrew

              The same can be said about the D500, they also had not announced it for years… surprise, surprise 😉

            • well, I don’t think Nikon was “actively developing” the D500 for 8 years

            • Andrew

              Agreed. But, the D500 benefited from a technological milestone reached by Nikon and so it was time to incorporate those advances into the new camera for a worthy replacement to the D300s. The Nikon 1 J5 mirrorless camera is still being “actively” sold by Nikon and as noted, it was released in 2015, only 2 years ago. As you are aware, when Nikon discontinues a product they do so with aplomb, a fire sale! The CoolPix A sold for $1,100 and was summarily dispatched for only $399. This is their way of saying good riddance, no more updates 😉

              Moving from the mirrorless 1-inch image sensors to an APS-C or Full-frame sensor sized body is – I would guess not a trivial matter. Taking aim at Sony’s successful foray into the mirrorless market will require a strong product, but Nikon already has the core pieces in place. So a development cycle of 2 to 3 years for a major new product launch is quite reasonable. Mirrorless is too important of a product category for Nikon to ignore and there is absolutely no justifiable reason for them to do so. I would be surprised if Nikon does not announce their new mirrorless cameras by April 2018.

            • I agree, it is very important for Nikon how they will approach the mirrorless market. Let’s wait and see.

            • Allen_Wentz

              Actually, I disagree. After using D100 and D2x then D3, I followed the DX line closely, looking for a pro-level DX body that felt right to me. No DX body came even close to making the grade.

              However when I tested the D500 at a road show I immediately preordered, even though I had originally intended to wait and also see the next D8xx body before buying a new body. The things I feel in the D500 feel evolved from the D2x beginnings much more than from D100/200/300 or D7xxx.

              So yes, I do think Nikon was slowly a-building on the D500 for 6-8 years. What “actively developing” means is I guess a matter of semantics.

  • mariusvr

    hopefully they will have their video finally sorted and have full frame readout. i mist say the a9 is looking very appealing and only my nikon glass is holding me back from switching

  • Can’t wait to see the actual specs. Any rumor as to what frame rate (FPS) it might have?

    • saywhatuwill

      Whatever the frame rate is it won’t be fast enough for some and the complaints will come in and then the ubiquitous “deal killer” comment.

      • Anything higher than the 4-5fps tjat the 800 has would be good. I saw somewhere that the 820 was rumored to be 7-8 cos. I was just curious to see if anyone here had seen anything similar or any FPS listing for it anywhere else.

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