The upcoming Nikon compact cameras will have a 2,350k dots optional OLED EVF


I already mentioned that the upcoming Nikon compact cameras with fixed lens and 1" sensor will have an optional EVF that will attach to the hot shoe. I received some more details on the EVF: it will be a 2,350k dots OLED EVF. For comparison, two of the best EVF I've seen so far are 4.4MP (Leica SL) and 3.68MP (Leica Q).

Picture: adjustable EVF Nikon patent from 2011.

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  • Wally Brooks

    evf and flash with CLS????

    • Pete

      Mandatory for me to buy one. CLS, evf and concurrent flash hot shoe are the three things missing from the V3 that stopped me going with one. Here’s hoping.

  • Jimmy

    Of course, they’re gonna use the same EFV matrix with a 2,359k dot resolution as for the Nikon 1 DF-N1000 optional EVF for Nikon 1 V3. Maybe even the same product itself …

  • hje

    I personally dislike to have to choose between EVF and external flash.

    • Plug

      They will probably want you to use the LD-1000 for flash, which attaches beneath the camera.

    • Allen_Wentz

      Agreed. I never understood why they did not just combine EVF and flash unit, or make an EVF with pass-through hot shoe.

  • Slowly getting to the release date, but so far sadly not too exciting news…

  • whisky

    i wonder if Nikon USA will force bundle EVF models like they did with the V3?

  • Eric Calabros

    Are you sure that’s 4.4 millions of “pixels” and not “dots”?

    • Patrick O’Connor

      It’s the same thing as there is one dot for the “i” in pixel. 4.4 million pixels = 4.4 million i’s = 4.4 million dots. 🙂

    • I thought dots=pixels.

      • Aldo

        I think he may be pointing out that in a display you have dots… as each dot may display/represent one or more or less ‘pixels’ of information.

        • Allen_Wentz

          No, there are not dots in a display. There are pixels. See above.

      • Captain Megaton

        Only for camera sensors – and since the D300 came out camera LCDs/EVFs. For most screens, a pixel is a group of typically three “dots” that make up a color cell.

      • Allen_Wentz

        Actually no, pixels usually are not dots. I say usually because there is a lot of confusing usage. A pixel is the smallest electronic display unit of an image, but then the various colors (R,G,B) going into an individual pixel are often called dots (go figure). Others in that biz can no doubt give a more comprehensive answer.

        However when we take our images to hard copy output the difference does become very important, as hard copy print devices actually do produce _dots_ which are very definitely not equal to pixels. So we measure our electronic images in pixels and ppi while our printer output is in dpi.

        • J.Coi

          You are correct. Spatial unit of most image sensor is one-color “dot” (not RGB or RGGB unit). So, for camera LCD, we count single-color “dot” (not RGB pixel) for spec.

  • TylerChappell

    To simplify for all those that wonder:
    ~2359k dots = 1024×768 or XGA resolution, 3 dots/pixel (1024x768x3)
    ~1229 dots = 640×480 or VGA resolution, 4 dots/pixel (640x480x4)
    ~931k dots = 640×480 or VGA resolution, 3 dots/pixel (640x480x3)
    ~460k dots = 480×320 or HVGA resolution, 3 dots/pixel (480x320x3)
    ~230k dots = 320×240 or QVGA resolution, 3 dots/pixel (320x240x3)
    ~115k dots = 240×160 or HQVGA resolution, 3 dots/pixel (240x160x3)

    • nwcs

      Reminds me of the CGA and EGA resolutions. But those acronyms are so 30 years ago.

      • Patrick O’Connor

        HEY! I loved my CGA and EGA monitors…until VGA came out! 🙂

        • Spy Black

          I need an EGA monitor for my Commodore 128. Yes, I still have mine. Have a bunch of MIDI files I need to transfer over to PC. I should peruse ebay I suppose. I wonder if my 1541s will still run however.

    • Captain Megaton

      The marketing decision to obscure the actual resolution with “dot count” still manages to annoy. If smartphones still use effective RGB resolutions even when oddball pixel groupings are used, why can’t cameras?

      • PhilK

        Ask the hard drive and flash storage product manufacturers, which continue to measure storage capacity in Gigabytes (power of 10) instead of Gibibytes (power of 2, the latter of which which is used for all other measures of computer memory/storage capacity), because it makes their product’s storage capacities look bigger.

        This kind of marketing mumbo-jumbo for mass-market products is unlikely to stop any time soon I’m afraid. Especially when self-interested industries are free to adopt such de-facto measurement standards absent any sort of regulatory requirements.

        • SimenO

          Microsoft should stop using the mumbo-jumbo GibiBytes, and start using the SI standard. We don’t need another imperical unit system with a jungle of conversion factors to mess up the logical SI system.

          So should it be for pixels too. It should not be conversion factors from LCD pixels to VF pixels to camera sensor pixels to AMOLED pixels. They should all settle on one standard.

          • silmasan

            “Hard drive and flash storage product manufacturers”.

            Microsoft stays with base-2 count when displaying storage capacity in Windows (Explorer, Disk Management etc) to this date.

            It’s Apple that went to the dark side and displayed storage capacity in base-10.

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    • nhz

      yes, will take a while before we see FullHD EVF and even that is beginning to sound outdated already, with 4K everywhere and 8K just around the corner 😉

      1024×768 is the display resolution I used nearly 30 years ago …

  • doge

    I bet this is where the rumors of the Samsung/Nikon merger originated. I believe Samsung is the largest manufacturer of OLEDs. They are probably supplying Nikon with these EVFs.

    • Samsung could still be providing parts for Nikon, but the rumor that was reported few months was fake/fabricated.

      • PhilK

        Samsung’s sheer size in the electronics industry right now make it extremely unlikely that *any* significantly sized global manufacturer that builds products out of electronic components will not buy *some* sort of Samsung components somewhere along the line. And don’t forget that Samsung almost certainly is one of Nikon Precision’s very biggest customers (alongside Intel) for their high-end silicon chip patterning equipment too.

    • HotDuckZ

      Nikon was a great LED screen maker but no one knew about it.

    • preston

      But the EVF for the V3 had the same specs as this one is reported to have, and the V3 far pre-dates the Samsung/Nikon merger rumor.

  • yepits me

    Samsung Display, the world’s largest OLED display maker was spun off from Samsung Electronics…….

  • Max

    a bit off-topic, but have anyone noticed the Canon G5 X uses a Sony sensor?

  • Captain Megaton

    Sigma zoom looks like a 50-135/2.8 (same outline as the Tokina). The other is apparently 100 mm F1.8, presumably m43/X-mount.

    Tamron are two (more) from the recent SP series 35 and 45. 25 and 85 would seem good guesses!

    • SimenO

      As noted above, its not 2,x Mp, but 0,78 Mp.

  • Allen_Wentz

    If Nikon has any sense they are going full-speed ahead investigating applying the usage of such 2350k-dot EVF technology in virtual reality headsets. And tying that VR research in to usage of video capture from Nikon cameras…

    Unfortunately history suggests that Thom Hogan is probably correct when he says Nikon is more likely looking backward than forward.

  • PhilK

    I’m hoping this is all a prelude to offering EVF for some of their DSLR products at some point. They could really upset the apple-cart by combining the best of both traditional SLR as well as mirrorless tech in a new product range, taking the wind out of the sails of their competitors that incessantly preach the mirrorless gospel.

    • nzswedespeed

      I am surprised Nikon haven’t done this. They have awesome af in the Nikon 1 series. It would be awesome as a more video orientated model, and with the f-mount they have nothing too lose

      • PhilK

        Well Nikon is pretty conservative in a lot of ways, and I think they tread very lightly on a critical product line like DSLRs until they know they can do something with lasting value.

        There are still a lot of people using 10-20 year old Nikon SLRs, whereas most of these ‘flash in the pan’ mirrorless products with trendy but anemic short-lived tech like low-res EVFs and crappy contrast AF, are likely thrown into the dustbin of history within a few years of their introduction and forgotten.

        A lot of people criticized the Nikon1 series for not being a big seller and being a bit overpriced, but Nikon may have gotten as much or more benefit from that product line for it’s R&D lessons and contribution to future product design, than its direct contribution to their immediate profit.

        • nzswedespeed

          Good points. I definitely agree that the experience gained and r & d Nikon invested in a smaller format, will help towards putting this in a larger format system. However I still don’t think Nikon would have a huge amount to lose. Put a similar evf that’s in the new Leica, and they could any of then current sensors that have pdaf. I reckon the apsc line will go this way due to the decreased costs of an evf vs mirror/pentaprism – also I always found my crop Nikons viewfinder too small – with an evf you can have a decent size also. My dream Nikon, that new Sony 42mp ff sensor with the best evf Nikon can get there hands on! Dreams are free

    • wapiti

      Ha! We are at the point of choosing between seeing what you’re creating to the viewfinder and using flash. Some harbinger……

      • PhilK

        As we can see in this discussion, some people have no problem composing photos using the screen on the back of a camera. I don’t happen to be one of those people..

  • Spy Black

    External EVFs need to be outlawed.

    • PhilK

      I understand your point, but I think Nikon is hedging their bets because they have absolutely no idea what people actually want or will buy. 😉

      Or maybe they want to use the same EVF on multiple products.

      I like the popup EVF idea that some of the Sony mirrorless products have. But the miniaturization tech necessary to produce something like that may be beyond Nikon at the moment – Sony is very very good at such things.

      • Spy Black

        The Panasonic GM5 has an internal EVF, and it’s essentially the size of the Nikon J4, and it’s a 4/3rds camera!,570

        Granted, it’s a low mag eyepiece, but it’s there. You only really need an EVF when you’re in bright sun and can’t see the screen. I may just jump on the GM5, as it’s going pretty cheap right now.

        My only concern is how good the AF is on the GM5. The AF on my RX100 III royally sucks, I now use a J4, even though it’s sensor royally blows. The J4 is fast to start, focus, and shoot. Not having an EVF has been murder at times however.

        • PhilK

          I disagree about when an EVF is necessary. I cannot shoot a camera using the rear screen. Can. Not. Do. It’s bad enough I have to put up with that on my smartphones. So it either has to have a good OVF or EVF.

          I haven’t done much actual shooting with modern EVF-equipped cameras but the A7RII I played around with for a while recently still drove me nuts with the “swimming” in the viewfinder and this was apparent right away. Despite all the other practical benefits of a good EVF.

          • Spy Black

            Well I suppose I should’ve said that’s one time I really need it. Regardless, the point is there’s no excuse for not having an EVF built-into even the most compact of cameras.

        • jojo

          Just look at how compact and well integrated the EVF was on the Nikon V1 – Nikon can do it if they choose to. But for some reason they chose the big, sticky-out approach for the V3 add-on VF, And now this “Lego-look” (hopefully just a patent sketch rather than a near depiction!).

          If you want me to buy a serious camera, Nikon, give me a serious VF.

          • Eric Bowles

            I have two Nikon V1 cameras. The EVF can be a little glitchy. I prefer the idea of a removable EVF. That said – I love having an EVF and believe it is the future of digital photography. In the future, I think of it as a heads up display or Google glass for your camera. It is the interface for lots of potential functionality.

        • nhz

          Agree that in general you don’t need a high res EVF, people have been using 200-300K EVF’s for many years both in still and video cameras for composing and taking the shot. Great for bright light but also for those over 45 or so with presbyopia. It works fine assuming the EVF has decent contrast and the action isn’t too fast.

          But when you cannot trust the AF of the camera it becomes a different story, because those low res EVF’s don’t allow judging focus (recent ones are better but still need a magnified view to check). Also with expensive cameras people are probably expecting nowadays that they can judge color and general rendering of the scene in the EVF …

          • Spy Black

            Well actually I was referring to the eyepiece magnification, not the resolution. I don’t think you could ever have enough resolution in an EVF, but you also need to be able to see it, and that’s where the eyepiece magnification comes in. It’s rather low in the GM5.

  • The bubble will burst after we read what the price is going to be.., (I hope I’m wrong)…
    But, at one point, EGA displays were near the $1k mark…

  • bgbs

    Someone help me out here, is 2,350k dots EVF, awesome or bad?

    • Eric Calabros


    • SimenO

      Its approximately 1 colour dot in the view finder for every 10 colour dots on a 24 Mp imaging sensor. If this was a DLSR that OVF would be much better for judging sharpness and focus. An external OVF may not have the same focus as the camera so that is mostly for judging composition on long distances. On short distances external OVF have a notable parallax difference from the camera image.

      • AlphaTed

        I think these OVFs are TTL, similar to LiveView, so no parallax.

    • CarlosMP

      For what its worth the $3000 Sony A7R II has around the same number of dots OLED EVF.

  • SimenO

    Why does all camera makers cheat with using “dots” in stead of pixels? Pixels consist of usually 3 “dots” on screens so this 2350k dots translate to a 1024*768 pixel resolution. Less then 1 Mp. They even fooled Nikonrumors with the Leica VF resolution, (witch is about 1,47 and 1,23 Mp). That is a tiny fraction of the image sensor resolution. Don’t fool yourself thinking you can judge focus or sharpness with an EVF without magnifying a lot.

  • Nikita

    ugh, optional EVF. It’ll be too much money and thus a deal breaker for me; come on Nikon, you really don’t know what to do below the DSLR level do you.

  • Anthony Papagallo

    ah, the the 1″ sensor, the AMC Pacer of sensors.

    • MonkeySpanner

      I love/hate the 1″ sensor. I love it for the compact lenses that still have massive reach. But I hate it because the IQ is fairly low with not great dof control.

  • Wally Brooks

    Will we be giving up flash for EVF? If you look at the Panny LX 100, New PenF, New Canon 1 inch offering giving up flash for evf is a 782 lightyear step to the rear.

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