The Nikon D5 is rumored to have a native high ISO of 102,400 and 4k video

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The Nikon D5 DSLR camera is rumored to have a native high ISO of 102,400. The current D4s can go up to ISO 25,600 (expandable till ISO 409,600). Here is an updated list of rumored D5 specs:

  • New 20MP FX sensor
  • 4k video
  • 173 autofocus points (update: new focusing module with larger coverage)
  • Native high ISO of 102,400
  • 15 fps
  • Body design similar to the D4s
  • Announcement expected in late 2015 or in early 2016.

Regarding the Nikon D5 processor and 4k video: for the past few years the Nikon Expeed image processor was based on the Fujitsu Milbeaut ISP. On March 1st 2015, Fujitsu transferred its System LSI business to Socionext Inc. Shortly after the transfer, Socionext announced a new MN2WS03101A chip with 4k video capabilities:

Socionext-MN2WS03101A-4k-chip-for-Nikon-D5

Socionext is a new company established by the consolidation of the system LSI businesses of Fujitsu Limited and Panasonic Corporation. It has a track record of development and delivery of products for various video applications. Socionext is now sampling 4K HEVC real-time encoder MB86M31. Together with MN2WS03101A, the company will support total video solution for a wide range of applications.

It's a stretch, but this could be the processor Nikon will use for the new D5. I am not very familiar with the semiconductor industry, so feel free to chime in if you have any comment or inside information.

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  • Felix_C

    Finally a camera worthy of an upgrade.

    • Spy Black

      It’ll probably be 4K10…

      • Eric Calabros

        Well its already 5.5k15

        • BLight

          Depending on the buffer….

        • Eno

          Actually 6K at 15fps (6K is about 19+ Mp).

    • akkual

      The chip is up to 4K 60p.

      • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

        Hope Nikon uses it and tries to get as must as out of its is possible without any issues, e.g., overheating and allows the user to toggle the fps in video, e.g., 15/24/30/60 fps. Be good if they could put in a feature to grab stills from 4k Video 2 like the Panasonic G7.

        • akkual

          Buy RED EPIC Dragon. It produces magnificent frames in its videos that you can use as RAW stills. Beats many older DSLRs actually.

          • true

            nobody buys red, lol. ppl rent it

          • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

            Good point; although I can buy a Panasonic G7 for £599 to grab 8mp stills from Video.

          • Does it have auto focus?

            • Yes for both electronic and screw focus lenses.

  • Rafa R

    D5 already? all I wished for was a D4x , 36mp camera with a pro rugged body and everlasting shutter but I guess we cant have it all.. (I used to have a D3x and I loved it for years)

    • neonspark

      it is more than due.

    • At this point, the Sony AiiR seems to hit all those needs pretty well.

      • Eric Calabros

        Yea, being ok with 11 bit raw you shouldnt have more needs in photography

        • Mr. Mamiya

          Except it’s not “11 bit”.

          • Katsu Nakamura

            11+7 – so fractionally improved over 11bit but way short of 14 bit as Sony advertises and Nikon DELIVERS.

            Sony 11+7 lossy compression frequently has as little as 10% of the discrete color values as a Nikon 14 bit file of the same composition.

            • Mr. Mamiya

              You now have some sample shots to demonstrate the issue on your website, Max?

            • Not sure what 11+7 means in this context, but it seems the Sony A7rII beats the Nikons on almost everything, albeit not noticeably (e.g. they’re in practice the same). Sony’s rate of innovation has been breathtaking, and it seems they’ve caught up with, and slightly surpassed, Nikon on the technical side of things already. If they keep their pace up Nikon and Canon will be left behind in the dust. At the moment Nikon and Canon do of course still have features that are significant to professionals that will keep many, probably most, in their camp for now. But the Sony A7rII is selling like hotcakes and I suspect it will end up being extremely successful. If I were to buy a new camera today I’d probably go with the Sony, even though I’ve only ever used Nikons thus far.

              That 5-axis stabilization is friggin’ awesome. It dramatically improves the sharpness of shots taken hand-held, at it’ll let you use shutter speeds of up to around 1/4th of a second in a normally lit room while still giving you acceptable sharpness for most things you’d need to shoot in those circumstances.

              Reference: http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-A7R-II-versus-Nikon-D4-versus-Nikon-D810___1035_767_963

            • Andrew Houghton

              Actually you are missing the point. If you look up how NICAM works, you will see why 14bit isn’t relevant, if you first process out what isn’t physically possible. RAW just leaves a huge amount of the grid empty, that isn’t physically possible. Look up colour space, and calculate the space around he edges, 14 bit can map it all, but you can never produce it. 11 bits is enough to map the entire colour space in greater detail/hues, as long as you weight both the camera and the software you use to reproduce it. And to do that you have a driver with a colour space that matches the camera, and that takes up about 2 bytes of your image file.
              Once per frame.!
              http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/color-spaces.htm

      • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

        Its a good way they did the A7 E mount family and then now iterating the models with updated specs – although still prefer Nikon Dslr’s for their great features, good battery life and still prefer to use OVF for photography.

      • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

        Its a good way they did the A7 E mount family and then now iterating the models with updated specs – although still prefer Nikon Dslr’s for their great features, good battery life and still prefer to use OVF for photography.

      • harvey

        and the A7Rii is pro rugged how? I can almost drive nails with my Nikon bodies … or beat on a A7.

        • An A7Rii can be put in some kind of bulletproof enclosure and still be smaller and lighter than a D810. But there’s no way for your D810 to slim down if you don’t need to drive nails with it.

          • kris Williams

            Yeah baby. There’s a reason why all the pros use sony. No, wait…

            • Ah you snookered me. We should all use Canon.

            • Kris Williams

              I just threw up a little bit in my mouth

    • sperdynamite

      D810, battery grip. Problem solved.

      • true

        this, pretty much

      • kbb

        The Nikon battery grip MB-D12(for the D800 series) is pathetically flexible when attached to the camera. It ADDS movement on tripod shots. Great for handheld shooting, but not a solution for lockdown shots, and not closely comparable to a real pro body, imo.

        • Jacobus DeWet

          i have the battery grip on my D810 that I used on my D800e as well and it fits perfectly snug with no movement. yes it will never be a D4s, but mine fits with no movement.

          • neversink

            Yes, It will never be a D4s, but a D4x would be just like the D800 series…

        • T.I.M

          @kgb
          maybe you bought an aftermarket grip.
          I have the Nikon brand one and it fit perfectly to the camera.

        • sperdynamite

          Yeah, and the grip can’t come off so this must be an insurmountable problem for you.

        • JTK3

          I shoot a D810 with the MB-D12 and the EN-EL18a battery. The grip is no more susceptible to coming loose than the MB-D10 on my D300S. A quick twist before a shooting session to make sure it’s tight and no worries – it is in no way, shape or form “pathetically flexible” when attached to the camera when tightened appropriately. IF you actually shoot a D810 with an MB-D12 and it’s loose, you haven’t snugged it down properly.

          I shoot both the 400/2.8 VR and 600/4 VR for surf photos with the MB-D12 equipped D810 for the 7fps in DX mode. On big lenses the lens foot mates to the tripod and the MB-D12 doesn’t touch it, let alone add movement on tripod shots. I also shoot the 14-24 and 24-70 zooms for landscape with an L bracket on the D810 – there’s no movement because i make sure the grip is snug before shooting.

        • Michal Zdunek

          maybe you have a cheap knock off, or something else is faulty with it… I have the MB-D12 on my D800E and use it handheld and for lockdown timelapse shooting… no movement what so ever… it’s snug and has no play at all.

        • ITN

          I haven’t noticed any flex in the D800/D810+MB-D12 interface. But if I mount the camera (not lens) on tripod I normally take off the grip and use a custom L bracket for the body. The are of course L brackets for the gripped body as well but I felt it is not necessary and would potentially add some flex visible in macro applications (but I haven’t noticed this actually happening).

        • ninpou_kobanashi

          I agree the older grips from Nikon were bad, but I have found the MB-D12 to be much better.

      • Rafa R

        People that haven’t had any experience with pro top of the line bodies like D3 line or D4, think a battery grip it´s all whats different from a pro body, is NOT.

        • sperdynamite

          People that think owning a D4 makes them a ‘pro’ demand high megapixel sensors in ‘pro’ bodies, and think that a button layout, slightly more battery life and magnesium is all that’s holding them back.

          • Rafa R

            considering your belligerent and non contributing comment, obviously you are not a pro, nobody ever said that you need a D4 to be a good or professional photographer, you may do great photos even with a D200 or D3000 who knows and who cares, the topic here is that you think that a battery grip and a D810 would be the same as a D4x, well I disagree, surely there are some of us that don’t think the D810 is a great camera body because we KNOW otherwise (particularly if you own or have owned a D3 or D4 line body) , and when you are a pro , and have no problem acquiring a D4x if there was one, thats when you post it on Nikon Rumors, thats what forums are for, particularly technical forums, who knows maybe Nikon is listening…

            • sperdynamite

              I’ve done extensive work with the D3-D4, hot shot. Also Hasselblad digital and film cameras, plus large format in the good ol’ days. I’ve been a professional since I graduated college some years ago. Just like I didn’t need my 4×5 to be my F5, I don’t need my D810 to be a D4. The D810 was never meant to be a machine gun like the D4 is. I can’t fathom why you would bother trying to take advantage of 36mp in a body that is meant for speed and handholding. You don’t need a D4 is the studio and you don’t need one for landscapes. I do know some photographers who’s identity is so wrapped up in the idea of people perceiving them as ‘pros’ that they can’t handle using a camera that a wealthy amateur might have, but these people are just insecure. If you’re so obsessed with solid cameras don’t even try medium format digital. I’m sure you’d absolutely have a heart attack when you see that you can’t drag the camera by it’s strap behind you while firing at 10fps in a torrential downpour. (all of which you pretty much CAN do with an D810 now that I think of it…)

            • Rafa R

              then again your ignorance shines, the D4 is not SOLELY a machine gun, only YOU think it is, the D3x of which you obviously have no knowledge never was a machine gun either, it was the highest megapixel camera ever made for many years, and Nikon made a great body for that sensor, so again I disagree, the D4 is NOT a body that was meant for speed and handholding like you mention, the D3, or D3s weren’t either, Nikon wisely thought about using their pro body with their highest megapixel sensor available in those days (D3x), why cant Nikon do the same today? I cant fathom why you would bother so stubbornly to deny what Nikon has done in the past? but then again… when I read that you pass judgment on people (photographers) that want a D4x because it simply would be best for a 36mp sensor, as insecure individuals, well thats your problem, and only your problem.

            • sperdynamite

              Uhhh highest resolution sensor ever??? It was barely higher than Canon’s prosumer offerings, and have you not heard of medium format??? Of course if you were stupid enough to BUY a D3x ( a poor seller throughout it’s run because smart people who wanted better quality than Canon or Nikon at the time went medium format) then I can see how you would have trouble seeing through this problem of yours. Good luck out there, because you’re not getting a D4x ever, and you’re not getting a D5x either. Either I’m right and it’s unnecessary, or you’re right and Nikon AND Canon are just befuddling you out of pure spite.

            • Rafa R

              just to inform you… the D3x with its 24.5 mp still has more megapixels than any Canon camera to date, (the 5Ds and 5Dsr aren’t released yet) so… the only one talking about prosumer cameras (I guess you have those frequently in your mind) is you… do research, don’t just talk the talk.

            • sperdynamite

              I never said that it wasn’t a higher mp count. So I’m not sure why you feel the need to point that out, but on the subject, if you feel like there is a practical difference between 21mp and 24.5, then I don’t know what to tell you. The 5DII at that time was even better in low light than the D3x and could do video. Which is why it failed.

            • Rafa R

              you finally touched something interesting, but first things first, I mentioned the higher mp count cause you clearly questioned it, but well… On to other things, nowadays I agree there is no practical difference between 21mp and 24.5mp but when I bought my D3x Canon wasn’t even close to 21mp, so after many years of the Nikon 12 megapixel barrier, as a photographer that wont go to medium format (I have my reasons, I shoot fashion and fashion advertising, and my style is fast, and in my country a DSLR is sufficient for most publications) , back to topic, when the D3x came out after many years of the 12mp barrier, when most of my colleagues and competition turned to Canon, I stayed with Nikon and finally the D3x came out, not only did it made me cope with my competition but it gave me an advantage with a considerable amount of more resolution than Canon and I could still shoot fast and use my fast Nikon lenses, (I don’t care for video) neither my competition in those days, but the point that you touched that I want to mention, is where you think the D3x was a fail… I partially don´t think so, even though I am aware that many photographers may agree, and perhaps even Nikon themselves may consider the D3x a failure, in sales maybe. The camera still is used as a reference to review lenses by DxO mark, the camera still has great and competitive dynamic range, sure it has terrible low light capabilities, but at the time Nikon users needed high resolution specially the ones like me in advertising, the lack of low light capabilities was not an issue for me, I am well trained in using Fuji Velvia (ISO 50) and Provia (ISO 100) so that wasn’t an issue, I invested 8,000 USD for that camera, and the time it lasted with me (about 8 years), I just recently sold it.. it worked and produced many jobs, so in my own business perspective it did not fail, it worked and kept me a float during hard times vs the competition. But I have to agree that the so called failure to sell well, was surely due to it´s high price, I do think Nikon over priced it, today still it would be extremely expensive to pay 8 grand for a DSLR, so that I do care to mention, if Nikon made a D4x (which I don’t think it will by now) it shouldn’t cost more than a D4s in my opinion, Maybe perhaps in the future Nikon may consider making a D5x, I can only hope that Nikon learned it´s lesson, they should not over price that much a camera, and for the time it came out certainly it was a lot. I don’t regret having bought one to this day anyways, I sold it for 33% for what it cost me, so I only invested on it $ 5,333 USD and sold it for $ $ 2,666.00 , in business terms it worked for me, and I reiterate I don´t need medium format in my business environment, I am very happy with Nikon and I currently use a D4 (for certain types of jobs, but I do shot editorials with it, it is not solely a machine gun, it has great detail in the shadows and that works for me a lot in fashion, not to mention it´s AF follows the model far better than the D800) , also have a D800 which I wish I could update, but I don’t think upgrading to a D810 is much of a change, so I am patiently waiting for maybe a D820 with a new Sony sensor or something, but if a D4x came out I would grab it in second.

            • Emmanuel Rosario

              Ok pixel nerds, you guys clearly have too much time on your hands to write all a shit. Just keep in mind that is NOT, I repeat IT IS NOT the camera it’s the photographer. You nerding-out about #s and gear does not make you a good photographer, it simply makes you a photo nerd. Having an eye and a creative mind is what makes you a photographer not the fucking gear in your bag. And to be honest you can pretty much capture the same image with all those cameras you guys mention, with minor changes in Iso and all that jazz.

            • Rafa R

              Hey Then what are you doing in Nikon Rumors forum? Go to flickr or something and get “inspired “

            • Emmanuel Rosario

              i come here to seem whats shaking in the nikon world, you know be informed and on top of the new stuff and what not. Not to argue about pixels and how we need more pixels to make better photos.

            • Rafa R

              then please refrain your self from preaching whats wrong and right in photography, respect others conversations, and you could do without insulting people

            • Emmanuel Rosario

              Sorry you felt disrespected with my comment but honestly more people have to stop thinking that they NEED better technology for picture. It makes my blood boil when people think they NEED the new camera, because its faster, its lighter, has more pixels. NO all that jazz does not matter. And I am sorry that i offended you but its just that those kind of comments i hear all the time and they are irrelevant to the work one can produce with a camera.

            • Rafa R

              I understand, and I apologize too if I was quick on the draw, but I am amazed how all this huge conversation started only because I stated at the beginning of this post that me, (only me, my particular taste, and person) would love a D4x , and all hell broke lose, I guess next time I wont try to make my point after some people do post agressive questions and one feels the need to answer and justify our own statements, I guess sometimes talking in forums is productive, but Nikon Rumors forum is not an easy one…

            • KnightPhoto

              I read all Rafa’s comments. I thought he did an excellent job outlining his professional reasons for wanting a D4X.

            • John

              I agree!

            • Amin

              No he didn’t. He sounds like an almighty bore. The other chap won hands down.

            • ninpou_kobanashi

              “Sorry you felt disrespected with my comment”:
              “Ok pixel nerds” Wow.

            • Benedict Salvacion

              I can see you have too much time on your hand too to write all those shit lol Let’s not be HYPOCRITE here, I love to see those working professionals shoot product, weddings, fashion, using only a point and shoot and use the on cam flash. anyways like what you said camera and gear doesn’t play any role right?? Please think before you say anything and I am sure you own a good camera too not just a point and shoot for the fact that you know you’d get better results! STOP PREACHING YOUR SHIT IF YOU DON”T WALK THE TALK!

              I would love to see you post one of your photos and see if you are really that good to preach about gear and all those shit…

              Here’s one of my works 😀 (just incase) I won’t claim I am any better than anyone else… But I can say I know how to shoot little 😀

            • Steve Shayka

              Since people like to talk specs of cameras and compare them here are some truths about cameras and photographers.

              Nikons have Sony guys in them…….. Always have since the digital Nikons were introduced. Sorry Sony guys. Just the same the Fuji cameras are Nikon knock offs, still sony guys….

              Heres the difference, Sonys DSLR cameras are designed as PRO-Sumer cameras. They are for light duty armatures that are not making their professional living with their cameras. Nikons are built far more rugged and able to take on more use, harsher environments, provide more features that a professional will use and need and be able to last. Hence why they are encased in a titanium shell for a chassis.

              D3, D3X, D3s, D4, D4s, D5, D800, D800E, D810, D810A were all designed to excel within what their design intentions are. Flagship series cameras were designed to be the “anywhere, anytime, throw anything at me” cameras. They boast vast features, speed, endurance and versatility. I have a D4, one of the first ones released from B&H. im getting ready to retire it as right now it has been rebuilt 4 times, has over 3.5 million actuation’s on it. it is still a beast and most likely i will keep it in a ready reserve state as a back up if ever needed. The company I work for, I shoot 100-120 weddings a year, 80-90 engagement sessions a year, and also do development, research, training, and comparison of different photography gear.

              The 800 series of cameras were designed as a pro level camera but with a different intention then that of the flagships. comparing the 800 series Nikons to the flagships is comparing a apple to a orange. both are great in their own respects but are not competitive with one another. No you dont need a flagship in a studio. a 800 series nikon will more than suffice if not out perform the flagship depending on the model.

              Sony VS Nikon. Sorry Sony guys you loose this battle easily. Nikon smart in that you can mount every lens Nikon has produced over the last 80 years on a brand new Nikon. Sony… not so much.

              Battle of Nikon VS Canon VS Medium Format, VS the other DSLR manufacturers. So to have this conversation you have to understand what happened to companys when digital became mainstream professionally.

              Medium format, ie, Hasselblad, Bronica, ect became fearful. However even with the fact that they trailed in the digital world they came back as a force to be reckoned with in the digital world. Are you going to shoot a wedding on a digital medium format? absolutely not. Again they were designed for the professional that will used them for extremely high quality reproduction, advertising, art, extremely high end portraits.

              Nikon VS Canon, the Chevy VS Ford of cameras. Another battle that will forever be fought like a civil war of cameras. even with the fact that im a nikon guy i still get to play with all the fun canon gear, even the fancy 4K EF mount cinema lenses (which are really wicked and fun even being obnoxiously awkward on a DSLR, just saying).

              first things first, when digital started both companies engaged in the battle of sensors, bodies and features and let the len lines falter. Its true, the lenses and glass quality that is produced today is no where near that of yesteryear from either company. pound for pound many lenses on the pro end are not as good as some pro level lenses from companies like Sigma and Tamron. Both of which were purchased by parent companies such as Bronica & Sony. They began to focus on making medium format quality lenses for DSLR cameras while Nikon and Canon battled out sensors and bodies. Both Canon and Nikon make great cameras. Both have pros and cons, many of which depend on personal preference. Nikon bodies have a plethora of lens availability at their disposal. Sorry Canon you like changing your mounts way too much and the adapters just make it worse. Nikons features, functions and camera controls are far more user friendly especially for making adjustments on the fly. Image quality in comparison can be argued all day long. Nikon also has Canon beat in pricing.

              Megapixels are not all equal. more megapixels is not always better. a pixel is not a pixel. not all pixels are designed the same and do not have the same shape. the shape of the pixel will greatly effect the amount of noticeable noise or “grain” in a image especially at high ISO settings.

              At the end of the day:
              Sony cameras are not professional grade cameras. they are great for amateurs and shooting your nephews birthday party for fun. No pros use sony because they know that they are not and were not designed as pro cameras.

              Nikon VS Canon. nuff said its the oldest camera debate and its not going to end anytime soon.

              medium format, a rare niche these days that most photogs just lease those cameras.

              megapixels are as different as people. more is not always better.

              Different camera lines are designed for different purposes. you can not compare a apple to a orange simple as that.

            • Steve

              It pains me to say you are both correct. Both.

            • Ever heard of applied art? The photographers who work for technical fields, need certain minimum requirement of equipment. Hobbyists or do all photographers or even wedding photographers do not have such needs.standard (I am not insulting wedding photographers etc but really , they can get away with lesser equipment many a times).
              But you sir can always capture good photos with your iphone as the final size is not going to be more than 1600 pixels. We alas have no such luxury.

            • Jaran Gaarder Heggen

              When you photographing for a living its not just what you can do … its a lot about what the clients demand … and the demand raise with the introduction of new feature, higher pixelrates and more dynamic range …
              Clients doesnt care that they can get the same “quality” from a camera with less MP, they just want the most … and if you cant deliver that … you are most likely out of game …

            • true

              @Rafa645:disqus too long, didn’t read. Why don’t you tell why you want a pro body high mp camera? What is it that D7200, D810 or even Canon 7D2 can’t do for you? Do you absolutely need some 42-51mp FF body + 10FPS to take some wildlife / bird shot? Because I can’t think any other reason than that, and that already be done with other cameras. Most cameras out there already do everything. D810 is durable enough for 95% of the people, and that includes MANY pro’s out there!

            • Rafa R

              If you dont care to read, I wont respond to a comment that is completely out of context, forums are meant to be read you know?

            • true

              Nobody is going to read that text wall. I asked you simple question.

            • Rafa R

              The answer to your question is already there

            • ITN

              The D810 is a pro body. But if you mean D4 series style body then there are some advantages: the control positions for vertical use can take advantage of the fact that there is no gap between body and vertical grip and the whole can be a bit lighter as well than body+accessory grip (since the mounting surfaces and mechanics between body and grip are not required). The handling of adverse weather conditions is better in the single digit series, it is easy to get a D8x0/D700 to malfunction in very cold and humid conditions. The larger body feels better in the hands (in large hands) and is more comfortable to use for long sessions (e.g. in the studio, or portraits in general) of vertical shooting. Its viewfinder has greater eyepoint thus is easier to use with eyeglasses, and less vignetting. Voice memos can be used e.g. the name of the person who you are photographing can be attached in the images easily. The shutter/mirror system is more durable. However, downsides include the greater cost and weight (compared to camera without vertical grip) and the lower emphasis Nikon puts into the development of these low volume products (than D8x0 line which gets the most attention from developers) so it is usually after the first six months a bit out of date and remains so until the next four years pass. In the case of the D3X it is a lot out of date, illustrating the problem that even if Nikon were to make a D5X, the next model might be D7X in 8 years from that since the demand is in practice so low. I think maybe they will discontinue the cameras with integral vertical grips at some point. During most of the film era (only exception is the F5) there were no integral vertical grips and they become the norm when the huge batteries needed by early DSLRs were necessary and so it was masked as a “feature” i.e. the vertical grip. The D810 represents a more normal (and widely preferred) body style also among the professional photographer community. But the smaller size does come with disadvantages as well, it is just preferred by most people because of handling (in smaller hands) and weight considerations. Don’t get me wrong – I like integral vertical grip cameras as one option. I’m glad that Nikon is making one such camera even when not strictly required for battery capacity.

            • Dan Howell

              Wow, I hadn’t heard that it failed. I’ve seen in the hands of some notable people. I guess I was among those who were stupid enough to get the D3X. It was my mainstay for about 5 years and 400,000 actuations. I don’t see either my D800 or D810 lasting that long. I also didn’t see moving backward in resolution for the D4 (which I saw as a mistake, but whatever). I am sad that there will be no D4X and I’m not thrilled with the specs. of the rumored D5. I am a professional and frequently shoot high volume fashion catalog days where I pound thru 1500+ frames in a day. I’ve had both the D810 and the D800 thru NPS already in their short lives. That chip on your shoulder must weigh a ton. There is a difference between Pro and Prosumer bodies everybody recognizes it except you.

            • sperdynamite

              The D810 is ‘rated’ to 300k. You can afford a little more than 2 of them for every one ‘pro’ body. Having two cameras is better than one with a better shutter ‘rating’ (i.e. guess). Apparently Canon and Nikon both made a mistake because there was no 1DSIV either. The market spoke and you already lost the argument. I never said there is ‘no difference’, but I just recognize their strengths and weakness better than you do and am able to think about ROI in a studio environment. I’d rather have 4 D810s over two D4x bodies. More bays covered with less expense. And BTW that’s a ‘rated’ 12k total actuations with 4 D810s over 8k with 2 ‘pro’ bodies. The math is clear.

            • Dan Howell

              I’m assuming that you have a mighty fine profit margin if you are crying about the difference in cost of a pro body vs a prosumer body amortized over 5 years. sorry, I don’t have those worries. The D3X was a bargain compared to my Hasselblad/Leaf system. What I do have is concern that a body will go down mid-shoot or worse mid-trip on an extended international trip. (Nobody I know carries 4 bodies) Missing shots can end up costing more than the price of body. I was happy to purchase a D800 to back up my D3x (I still feel that 24MP is the sweet spot between file size vs speed/storage for my work). However I kept my D3X going longer than I should have waiting for word of a pro-grade studio camera. I had to relent and get a D810 which I do like, but anyone with real experience can quickly tell the difference in durability/build quality between a pro body and prosumer. Your suggestion that the need and utility of camera bodies is a mathematical standard shows how little you know about the breadth of industry or at least a lack of empathy for those who probably have a lot more experience than you.

            • sperdynamite

              Well instead of puffing your chest out about how pro you are (i’ve been making my money with my camera for years buddy, you’re not special) you could have thought about whether or not I was implying you take 4 D810 bodies on the road with you at all times (no). Obbbbbbvvvvviouuusssssllyyyyyyyyyy D4s are built better than D810s. But MOST PROS don’t need all that when they also need a 36mp sensor. What the hell did you do when you had to use a view camera??? Those things are practically fine china in comparison. Anyway know what proves me right? The fact that both Canon and Nikon never bothered to make a D4/1Ds style high res body. The fact that you don’t see that shows how little you know about the breadth of industry or a lack of empathy for people who have a lot more experience than you. (i.e. all the people who realize the D810 is fine and just get to work).

            • Lex Cross

              5dS and 5DS R were officially released on the 14th and are available at bestbuy.com and in the Seattle store

            • teila

              Though not articulated in the best way, Rafa is 100% correct on multiple accounts. Many of us who rent, own, or borrow medium format bodies have been looking for a *practical* (as opposed to technical) medium format replacement, in a Canon/Nikon pro dslr body.

              Other than colour gradation, there’s hardly a practical reason to shoot MF for most commercial/fashion/lifestyle/catalog work, because Canon/Nikon has closed the “practical” gap where except for relatively few circumstances- it no longer makes sense to purchase MF kits * for most businesses offering professional photographic services*.

              Your notion that Canon/Nikon won’t bring forth a pro body featuring a 30mp or greater sensor is probably not a realistic notion… like your incorrect assessment that studio work couldn’t benefit from a rapid shooting high mp pro body compared to the Nikon 810 variety. I’ll likely pass on the Canon 5Dsr, however if it was offered in a 1dx body, shot 12 fps while focusing, and offered at $5k USD (even with the current 50mp sensor that doesn’t make my ears wiggle); I’d click “buy” today, and have one delivered next day air.

              Just because your needs doesn’t match those of many working professionals ’round the globe, doesn’t mean there isn’t a need. You should stop presupposing.

            • Umano Teodori

              I work as a digital assistant and post producer for fashion (mostly editorials) and I can assure you there’s a world between prosumer camera and pro 35mm in file quality, especially with continuos light and hmi when you “push” files with curves. The files are cleaner, I prefer to use canon 1dx or the still excellent (till 800iso) 1ds mk3 instead of 5d mk3 and in those situation also 5d mk2 is better than mk3.

              In the nikon world d3x it’s still unbeaten on cleanliness of files when u push it with curves, the d3s is better than the d4 and the d4s is the king. In this matter the d810 is the better by far prosumer camera very close to the pro ones and in studio at 64iso if you are perfect with light and exposure it is the best of 35mm world.

              Same happens with phaseone backs the iq260 file is cleaner than iq280 when you push it. The leica s2 is the best in this area imho

              It is something that most ppl doesn’t need, but If you are a fashion or portrait or outstanding wedding photographer which need to get 13-15 (50-100 wedding) final shots during the day outdoor or interior, with changes of lighting, exposure, color temp, mixed light source etc etc, and you have to balance all images perfectly getting the same mood, same exactly skin tones, same style of other works of the photographers It definitely matters.

              We destroy files with curves, that’s why we see those differences, most of prosumer or pro who doesn’t shoot almost everyday for two months in 10 different country for 20 mags, don’t see them and don’t need this crazy workflow

            • outkasted

              The D3x did NOT sell very well for Nikon. It was a great camera at the time but it was very expensive. Nikon listens to its customers. The D800/D800e/D810 are very successful for sales. Obviously with a 7 frames per second rather than 4 also has attracted sports photogs because in DX mode it is producing great quality. Is it as rugged? No. Does it have to be? No, it just need to deliver high megapixel images at greater speed and it does it very well. It’s a win for Nikon and its consumers.

            • teila

              “Just like I didn’t need my 4×5 to be my F5…”

              Good for you! But frankly, if I could buy a 4×5, 6×6 or 6×4.5 that I could autofocus and shoot film at 8fps, I’d snap one up today. Even at, say, $5k, a lot of action portrait shooters would snap one up! You don’t speak for everyone, and whether you can or cannot fathom something isn’t relevant when it comes to what others can make good use out of.

              “You don’t need a D4 is [sic] the studio”

              I think you mean, YOU don’t need a fast shooting pro body in the studio. The fact of the matter is that many of us shooting to pay the mortgage CAN benefit from a high resolution, fast shooter in the studio, especially not that video mixed with stills is a strong seller. The weak point when shooting action portraits are the cameras (too slow + low on pixels) and strobes (too slow… requiring daisy chaining for sequential pops = $$,$$$).

              A 50mp, 12fps body from Nikon/Canon or a 8fps MF or LF film shooter + 200th or better sync would tickle many of us pink. At least the faster shooting digitals are coming down the pipe.

            • Exactly. It’s people like these who say that 7xxx series is a perfect replacement to 300. It’s like they think that it is only sensor, AF unit and FPS make a camera.

            • ITN

              Well I have used D3 series bodies for many years but think the D810 is the best camera body Nikon has made.

        • Andrew Jay

          Jesus Christ, if some one wants something from there camera who are any of you to tell them they are wrong or not professional, we all shoot nikon thats why we are here, so lets stop arguing about well.. nothing, personally i’d love a 36mp 15fps 102k iso camera in a nice “pro” body that way shooting stars, scenery macro studio and sports would all be easy in one body 😀

        • Wow, I sure hope you are all getting paid to spend this much time on this discussion, . . . LOL

          • true

            Some ppl just have way too much spare time in their hands..

        • Nimloth

          When you start with “People that haven’t had any experience with pro top of the line bodies …” you become the belligerent and non-contributing one. So don’t express any surprise of the reactions you got. The rest of your comments underscored your arrogance and lack of respect towards those disagreeing with you. Even if that wasn’t your intention. Do not think you’ve got all the answers just because you get paid for taking pictures. There are plenty who make money without a Dx(y), and many of those find “lesser” cameras far superior for different reasons. Other people’s opinions are as valuable, and belong at least as much on NR as your own.

        • 24×36

          I used a D3 and then moved to a D810. There are certainly differences other than the grip being added vs. a D8xx body, like additional display information (including an additional small lcd on the back), and the more robust body overall. It’s another question whether such things are critical (YMMV).

          While I do like the integrated grip body better, I’m not sure I want to pay the price premium, though smaller than it looks when you put together a “modular D4X” with EN-EL18a battery and charger – makes it more like $5k instead of $3k. Nikon needs to be reasonable about an integrated grip/high res body than they were last time with the D3X – $8k is simply uncalled for. Personally, I think the D3X sensor was expensive, and that was a big part of what drove the ridiculous $8k price tag on the D3X, so hopefully next time (if there is one) they’ll be more reasonable with the MSRP.

          Maybe they just figure (and reasonably so) that if they offer an integrated grip body and a high end gripped body with the same sensor, that most will opt for the cheaper body (as what seemed to occur with the D3/D700 duo when they didn’t have much in the way of different sensors to choose from), thereby making the integrated grip model not worth the effort.

          I actually think it’s more important (vs. “D5X” over “D8xO” or “D900”) that the next body updates have two of the SAME F@#$ING MEMORY CARDS, so that the camera speed isn’t dumbed down by the SD backup slot currently used on the D810 – and so that the D5 doesn’t have a potentially unsupported card format in the not-distant-enough future.

      • Annette Flottwell

        For a woman the hand grip on the d800 is too big to have a firm grip like the d3 or d4. Or d2 or d1h. I had them all. The d800 has failed me 3 times now, it doesn’t handle the same way at all and it is very slow in raw. The only thing I really liked about the d800 was the high resolution when I needed to crop.
        I have used the full resolution for a few posters but I don’t miss it.
        Shooting the d4 was sheer bliss and I sold the d800

    • sickheadache

      Rafa…Huh? D4x with 36mp? Huh? It is here..it is called D810 and you can attach the popular battery grip. So you want a D4x with a 36mp..and Nikon in return will sell it to YOU..Rafa…for $8 Grand. Good Luck From Time to Time…I really believe there be people on the net that are not firing on all thrusters

      • John

        I think you missed the point here. The D4 D3 etc and D300 are pro bodies. Somewhat different controls and build compared to your D7000 D600 and D800. It’s a mistake to think that this is all about having a vertical grip.

        Even though you and I might not value this sort of body, it doesn’t mean that working professionals don’t have real needs. If you’re curious about the specific reasons for the pro body, I recommend reading stuff by Thom Hogan.

        Perhaps try not to assume the worst when commenting, it makes the internet a more pleasant place to be 🙂

        • El Aura

          I don’t think the D300 is in a higher class than the D8x0. I’ve owned a D3 and a D800, so I know the difference but when I have handled a D300 it felt much more like a D8x0 than a D3 (and I don’t mean the built-in grip of the D3).

          • Thom Hogan

            Correct. The “pro control bodies” are D100, D200, D300(s), D700, D800/D800E, and D810 integrated grip, plus D1, D1h, D1x, D2h(s), D2x(s), D3(s) D3x, and D4(s) with integrated grip. The build quality, parts specification, and even things like weatherproofing all map together, as well. The are two of the basic “chassis” Nikon uses (no grip, grip), with the other two “chassis” designs being the D3xxx/D5xxx one and the D7xxx/D6xx/D750 one.

            • ITN

              Nikon never classified the D100 or the D200 as professional cameras and the D100 mainly resembles the F80 consumer SLR in terms of its body and user interface. The others that you list are professional DSLRs (in Nikon’s own nomenclature).

            • Thom Hogan

              I was careful to use the words “pro controls.” I didn’t say they were pro cameras. While it’s true that the D100/D200 were missing a couple of things that appeared and stabilized with the D300/D3 pair, it’s also clear that they didn’t take the approach that the D70 and subsequent cameras did that established what I call the “consumer controls.”

              Moreover, Nikon themselves doesn’t seem to be consistent on what they consider pro cameras. Some NPS lists in some countries include what I’d certainly call “consumer control” cameras ;~).

            • Just pulled out my D200 that I haven’t used in years. This thing is built like a battle ship compared to my D810.

            • Amin

              Don’t exaggerate. They’ve the same weight and built from the same material.

            • Yea, I do tend to exaggerate but when the D800 was first introduced I was able to get one early and on my first trip to Yosemite, fell out of my backpack onto the parking lot at about 2.5 feet which resulted in a mess of broken parts and pieces everywhere. Nikon repaired the body for a fee and I know one other person who also made the same mistake as I did. It may just be my hyperbole but a dropped D800 makes a very interesting, and extensive, mess on the ground.

            • Amin

              So you don’t see the fallacy of such comment?

              1. No one know if you are telling the truth or not.

              2. Even more importantly… how much mess would a d200 have made?

              There is no point to telling a one sided story.

              – –

              So another failed comment.

            • I did admit that I exaggerate. I did tell what I thought was an interesting story which at least one other person had experienced. I did not say that a D200 wouldn’t make the same mess although I used to bang my old D200 around quite a bit and it never had any problem. Then you tell me this is another failed comment. If I am going to be critiqued negatively like this, I simply won’t read or comment on your forums anymore. If people stop reading and commenting on your forums, see how long this web site will last without advertisers. Have a good day.

            • Amin

              “I did admit that I exaggerate.”

              All right. I thought you were being sarcastic.

              – –

              Um. This is not my website or forum.

            • ITN

              Nikon never classified the D100 or the D200 as professional cameras and the D100 mainly resembles the F80 consumer SLR in terms of its body and user interface. The others that you list are professional DSLRs (in Nikon’s own nomenclature).

        • Jeff Hunter

          Nikon considers the D800 series a pro camera according to their website.

          • saywhatuwill

            But he mentioned a D300 that was on par with the D700.

        • sickheadache

          This is My Dear John Letter…Thom Hogan..is that the guy who abandoned his own website? I used the D300..when I didn’t know better.,,and to Think..D300 is a PRO..Dear John You Fail… I use the D810 right now. IT is Pro Dude. When I attach a Serious Lens on it…Sigma 50 Art…There is no other combo out there..maybe the Otus’s or the Mediums..that could Touch it. For Dynamic and Great Details.

          I didn’t miss a thing. I like the Nikon Battery Grip on my D810..and it does not wobble round. I like the comfort and ease. It is perfect for my own world. When the Original OP of this mess…He wants a D4x with 36mp in Pro Body..Well I am today saying once again..D810 / battery grip…and I have saved OP…a mere 6 grand. Dear John..got it now?

          • EGGZZ

            What an arrogant, disgusting, self-indulging, patronizing smart-ass comment !! You didnt even read OPs arguments for NOT wanting the D8xx / combo, making your suggestion totally ridicoulos. At best you’re just MEH !!

            • sickheadache

              But Rotten Eggzz…Rafa is asking for the Moon and Stars, when Nikon has made it very clear…No. With Sony coming out with their new 42.4MP it is very clear that Nikon will produce a new Pro Camera called D860/900. And if Rafa doesn’t like a battery grip..the D810/860/900 works fine without. And for Nikon to Produce a D5x with 42.4mp…and price it at 8 Grand…would be their own shot in the foot. OR what Rafa requested a D4x with 36.3 is still not happening and make zero sense, production wise and consumers demands.

            • EGGZZ

              But you are still an A-hole to listen to!

            • 24×36

              I think you’re hung up on the $8k price point, when it would be more like the D4/D4s price point (IF they were to do it). D3X was a price anomaly, due to a combination of “Canon gets $8k for theirs” plus (I think) an expensive sensor. The latter won’t be a factor (obviously, since they met the $3kish D700 price point with 36MP on the D8x0s), and I think they know what that price point will do to sales in advance this time. 😉

      • Rafa R

        I have a D800 and a D4, and by no means you can compare the two bodies, I hate the feel and lack of sturdiness of the D800 (and obviously I have a grip for it, BL-4 battery adapter included, if you dont know what it is.. google it) , and I miss the feel of my D3x, and YES I would pay hopefully 6,000 to 7,000 USD for a D4x, you can keep your flimsy D810

        • fanboy fagz

          ABSOLUTELY! the one digit cameras are just a different thing altogether. you hold it and you smile it feels so right in the hand. when you shoot with it, you feel theres a beast inside just wanting to shoot and shoot with rage. it doesnt even feel calm. it feels like jacked up monster just wanting more and more. silly but thats how it feels. it instills confidence with how fast it is. I have the D750/D3s/D4 and when I pickup the D750, I have a little sigh. even the shutter sound has a wimpy sound.

          the D3s/D4…the response time, the shutter sound, you feel the dampening, the buttons, the finish is just a different level altogether. it feels like it was built for the military. even the D800/10 to even a D3 is not comparable.

          and you are absolutely right, the shutter on the single digit bodies are built to a different spec. they last and last. my D3 went to 800k before being replaced, my friends d4 went to over a million. I beat on mine nonstop and I dont feel worried like I do about wearing out my D750. it feels fragile and it doesnt feel like it will hold.

          just like when I went from my F100/N90s and upgraded to F5’s. it was something else altogether.

          I do think they should make a high end 36mp camera too.

          Id also like to see the D4/D4s sensor on D810/D750 bodies also.

          • “.. when you shoot with it, you feel theres a beast inside just wanting to shoot and shoot with rage. it doesnt even feel calm. it feels like jacked up monster just wanting more and more. silly but thats how it feels.”

            Beautiful.

            And to add.. when I go towards my photo bag, all ready to go out and shoot, I can sense the eagerness from within that bag 😀 It`s like getting up from the couch and the dog looks at you, with tail wagging and eyes asking: “now?”.

            I can totally relate, mate; photography is at best felt.

            It`s not the gear, it`s how you feel about the gear. I am not my body either, I am how I feel in my body.

        • sickheadache

          Rafa…You would pay that kind of Money a D4x? Well it aint happening..not today..or anytime soon. It is not even happening with a D5x…But, I can tell you..Your in Luck, D860/D900 is coming..with either a Sony 42.4 or Sony’s new 50 plus MP in a body like the D810…We still going to save you 6 plus grand…lol

        • ITN

          Right, so get the D810 which is a better designed and more comfortable to use camera than the D800.

        • neversink

          I have a D4 and D800 and I love both of them and they are both pro bodies. I use a D700 as a backup. I make my living through photography, and have been doing so since the 1970s. I shoot everyday in Africa in all sorts of conditions and they both have held up and I have no problems. The F series bodies were pro and you had to attach a motor drive to them if you wanted to shoot up to 5.6 fps. During my photojournalism days, I often theft the motor drive home because of the weight, and I was carrying three bodies and a number of lenses. I always got the shot with of without the motor drive.
          The D800 is very sturdy. it is weatherproof and I don’t at all need the adapter. The adapter only adds weight but does not increase the fps. The D800 is actually more balanced with the 70-200 f.2.8 that with the D4 with the same lens. I love the sensor in the D4 a bit better than the D800, but I use them both.

        • Roger Martin

          I think the D5 should continue to be optimized for high speed stills.

          That said I will continue to be disappointed in Nikon if they do not catch up in the Video realm soon.

          They need to come out soon with a (MirrorLess/FullFrame?) camera optimized for low light 4k60P and 1080P120 Video

          Perhaps they could call it a V2 and it could have unlimited recording time in the USA?

      • Rafa R

        what do you mean firing in all thrusters? do you think a D4x would have lots of FPS? the D3x didn’t, I certainly don’t need to, but I would have loved XQD cards for those 36mp files, the best autofocus brackets and the most crossed type possible, batteries that last for ever, perfect weather sealing, 5 or 6 fps would have been fine, 400,000 actuation lasting shutter, great LCD on the back and direct access buttons and ergonomic design, you see.. the D810/D800 to me don’t come even close to a top of the line camera, a D4s in current times, so a D4x would be great for some of us that want the best, after all 36mp are meant for studio work and advertising, but I guess Nikon didn’t put the sensor in a body that would resemble or be up to the type of photographer it was meant to. I remember shooting the D3x in the studio and on the field in advertising, it was a pleasure to use, and I didn’t have to gaffer tape the on body flash like I do on my D800, so it wont pop up accidentally when I touch that little button on the side, or having to remove the flimsy battery grip in order to change batteries, little things like that.

        • 24×36

          Well, in fairness, you don’t HAVE to remove the grip to change batteries. You can use the “stock” battery (one) in the grip by itself, or you can go the “modular D4X” route (which is what I did) with the EN-EL18a battery (with the appropriate battery cover accessory) and charger, which gives you the same battery as the D4s. My grip never comes off of my D810.

        • NewsCamera

          I do find the pop-up flash on my D800E ultra-annoying as well. It’s always popping up when I don’t want it to. My D800E almost always has an RF trigger (Mini TT1 or Skyport) in its hot-shoe.

    • ITN

      The D810 has a long-lasting shutter and mirror system already. I think it was clear in Nikon’s D800(E) intro that these cameras would replace the D3X. Nikon stated that their user base were saying that they don’t need D4 level ruggedness in a high resolution camera, and wanted one that is more compact instead. Of course there is always someone who does want a specific combination of features but the problem is cost per unit when the number of buyers who would pay 3x the cost of a D810 to get the high resolution sensor in a D4s style body is small.

    • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

      Ideally Nikon should have produced 2 pro bodies in the D4 series – one the D4s and the other D4x – although the D8xx may have harmed some of the D4x they would have made the loses up in Lenses and accessories.

      With the D5 they could do 2 pro bodies out as featured and the other using the A7r Mk 2 sensor, in a years time they could have brought out a series of D850 options like 1 body that uses the A7 Mk 2 Sensor, one body that uses the D5 Sensor and one that uses the successor to the D750 sensor and then later roll this down to a D750 MK 2.

      Again Nikon although cambilising its cameras with duplicates further down the family would make up the loses and would keep or even grow its market share.

      For me I would like Nikon to grow even further as a company and not to shrink too bit a tiny player in the future.

    • neversink

      You already have it. It is the D810, which is actually rugged and weatherproof, and a professional camera.

    • Uncle Bob

      put a grip on the D810. Don’t use it as a hammer.

    • Mark Viszlay

      i still have it, and i work with it! IAM DISSAPOINTED not continuing the x-series! and nobody understand it, who doesn’t work with the d3x! It has still better raws than the d800!

      • neversink

        Suggestion. Get a D810 with the battery grip. Then apply black tape to hide the D800 logo, and print D4x in that place.. There!!!! Now you have a D4x with 36mp and weatherproofing – Stop whining.

    • Annette Flottwell

      You are right, that is what I dream of, Or one you can switch from the present resolution to D800 but in the same body. I don’t do film and I couldn’t care less about the video stuff.
      YES I have still got my D3x and the d4 and I love them both.
      The D800 is too flimsy for rugged outdoor use and does not fir my hand like the d3/d4 it is very awkward to hold vertically with a long lens, the handle is too deep.

    • Paul Jacques

      Agreed. We really should be hearing something about the D3x replacement. I’ve have had my D3x since it first came out, super reliable, always a perfect shot when paired with the 24-70. I’ve ordered the new 24-70vr, so where is my D4x Mr Nikon?

    • Nikon D810 has 36 mp and is also pro for less money. It’s just great witn native Iso 64.

  • Jakubv

    This chip is only for playback 4K HEVC video, not for encoding

    • oneuglycar

      If you read the entire post, you’ll see that the “MB86M31” is the sister chip that does encoding.

  • mok

    so, will we see first camera with ISO over 1 000 000 ? This will be historical 🙂

    • I believe so, after all this is what Nikon is known for and the D5 should be a significant step above the D4s, otherwise nobody will upgrade.

      • David Shepherd

        The ISO Boost could be due to Sony back illuminated sensor. The 42mp sensor going super high only means the smaller pixel count sensors can even higher.

        • Marcelo Tezza

          Top of the line cameras from nikon generaly don’t use sony sensors.
          But this can be the next A7s sensor, heven hoping that they go as far as a 12mpx back iluminated sensor.

          • lalala

            nikon top line sensors form Renesas was because back then sony can not achieve the read out speed that nikon asked for. Renesas is good at ultra high read out speed with external ADC.

            but sony recently solved the problem with stacked cmos technology, ADC as well as DRAM were all put underneath each pixels, make it possible to have fast read out and high signal ratio

        • Eric Calabros

          With such a big pixel area, BSI cant change things as much as you think

          • Thom Hogan

            Agreed. I would expect other things to have more impact. Note Sony’s switch from aluminum data lines to copper. If you don’t mind expense, there are a lot of things you can probably throw at current sensor designs (gallium arsenide, for example). We also haven’t see the first of the so-called Quantum Dot designs, either.

            • Eric Calabros

              These are new tech that make you convert more of the photons to electrons, which is good, but in a sensor like one inside D5, you already have plenty of electrons to deal with. So they’d better find ways to rise saturation red line while keep the crosstalk under control. That Nikon’s patent about absorbtion layer in different depth based on channel, was interesting, tho seems a headache for fab

            • Thom Hogan

              The D4 is what, 54% efficient? Increasing efficiency is one way you deal with getting electrons in the first place. The things you talk about are about keeping electrons where they need to be and not having electrons migrate to where they shouldn’t. BSI and stacked sensors and different material use all help with those things.

              Given what we just heard at the recent big sensor confab, we’re going to see a lot more push towards small and constant refinement (ala the A7rII sensor) in the near future. We’re also seeing more tinkering with filter arrays as megapixel counts go up (even Dr. Bayer himself hypothesized that there were better arrays available once pixel counts got high enough).

      • Thom Hogan

        They might upgrade for the focus system ;~). And some of the other Live View/Video improvements.

        • John

          That is the big news: The Focus System!

          …and Thom knows what it is!

      • neversink

        I saw no reason to upgrade to the D4s from the D4, but the D5 will be my upgrade.

    • El Aura

      I doubt it. Not without some tricks like re-allignment and combination of multiple shots (like the DxO One). If you look at 18% SNR curve for the best high ISO camera, the Sony A7s, you see a pretty straight straight curve. Extending that to one million will just be an extrapolation to below 9 db. No camera tested by DxO ever had maximum ISO values that produced such a low SNR. Only a ‘full-size’ (6×4.5) MF camera could maybe achieve that ISO value but it is doubtful that a MF camera would be tuned for such high-ISO values.

      • akkual

        Actually, I think Sony A7s sensor uses a trick in amplification to boost the ISO. If you check the graph from dxomark, it first follows quite closely on other modern FF sensors, but then suddenly its falloff derivative changes and it pulls the gap to others after 12,8k ISO.

        I guess Sony has managed to built two amplification setups in that sensor, so that the first one works as usual and is tuned to be native at around ISO100 (highest dynamic range in use aka. lowest amount of amplification), but it swaps around 12,8k to another amplification setup that is adjusted for the high ISO settings. This would be complicate to do on a high pixel count sensor, but with modern semiconductor manufacturing it could be doable on low density sensor as there’s more room for the amplification behind the larger light traps.

      • mok

        so you say we are reaching some physical border for this sensor size. In a way this is logical, this cannot go up an up all the time

    • lalala

      ISO 1000000 is possible but not useful, the amount of photons can be received within a certain period of time is limited due to nature, its like even you have a very sensitive sensor can sense 100 in theory, but in reality theres only 80 of information. the extra 20 will just be empty anyway

  • n11

    Sounds like a mad-beat already. I’m imagining some camera monster locked away in a basement-laboratory angrily shrieking to be let out from its master’s possession and testings, but only when its ready…

  • outkasted

    Bring It!

  • neonspark

    They need to take a page out of sony’s and offer something similar to the super 35 cropped format with oversampling in 4K.

    • Eric Calabros

      But I dream about full read out at full resolution with internal ProRes HQ
      Yea, I’m radical sometimes

    • Thom Hogan

      Why?

      The thing about Nikon video–excuse me, movies–is that there are all kinds of things that Nikon needs to improve besides how the data is sampled off the sensor.

      I’d actually be more intrigued by something that flips the model. For example, shoot 4K video, but the camera can pull out and encode 30 fps and 60 fps STILLS from the stream. For PJ work, 8mp is more than enough size. Of course, such a system would impact buffer and give you a real headache with workflow without completely new software. So maybe this: the Edit Movie function within the camera can create 30 or 60 frames from any one second point in your captured video on demand.

      • waterengineer

        You mean like a RED camera, right? That is a lot of stills to dig through to find (the) one you want.

        • neonspark

          not to mention Thom simply overlooks that doing this using the camera controls will be a nightmare which nikon will probably not figure out how to get right until a few number of iterations even if it could be done. And given it is on the camera as opposed to outside of it, nikon will NEVER update the feature because as we all know, Nikon adding functionality via a firmware update is as rare as a republican for gun control.
          So all you’re going to get is a half baked feature you won’t use, will never get updated, will never improve until you buy a new body, if at all.
          And let’s not get into the whole crippling dynamic range and bitrate of nikon video from which you’ll have to “extract” images. You’re likely going to have a lot of codec mosaic compression artifacts on high motion scenes as the current low bitrate code has. This ain’t no red RAW. Clipped shadows, blown highlights and probably work from 4:2:0 8 bit video.
          Yes I guess you could grab a still from that…assuming you found one that wasn’t garbage. But how could you tell on the low ppi nikon LCD? I can’t even imagine the pain of doing this. Probably worse than those people who think their ipad can really replace a laptop and you see them fiddling around for 15 minutes trying to do something that takes 15 seconds on a proper “computer”.

          • waterengineer

            Who said anything about doing any of the looking or sorting or choosing from the camera LCD?

        • Thom Hogan

          Right. But Nikon already has a marking system via button. What if I were in video mode on the basket when someone came flying in for a dunk? If I hit the index button at close to the dunk point the camera could immediately go in and create one second of stills before and after that point, which I could easily get through.

          Thing is, I don’t think these sorts of things have been thought through enough from the user side of the interface yet. Maybe my suggestion isn’t the best solution, but I’m pretty sure that there is a solution.

      • neonspark

        And you’re saying that improving how the data is sampled excludes them from doing other things? Your idea doesn’t solve any problems for people looking for video that is not all mush, the current standard in nikon “video”. All you’re creating is yet another scenario that is best solved with software tools outside of the camera: nobody wants to edit anything on a 3inch LCD which has the accuracy and input efficiency of a game boy (actually the gameboy may be easier to use).
        And regardless of implementation, I don’t see why any of your features you want for PJ even relate to sampling. They are all post-capture ideas. Plus, it is doubtful anybody would use that feature if the video quality is inferior or so full of moire it is useless.
        Quite simply: if nikon hopes to sell more cameras, a common point in all your articles, they better start thinking about audiences that are currently ignoring them. PJ’s are certainly less and less in numbers with everybody deciding they are not needed. Instead, focus on expanding your audience: nikon video is a joke among videographers. Make it not a joke and maybe *gasp* they will buy your products.

        • Thom Hogan

          No, I’m not saying that improving how the data is sampled excludes them from doing other things. I’m simply repeating what I think is obvious (and which you also highlight): Nikon to date just simply isn’t a video company. They’re playing catch up, and they really don’t have any core user base to help them understand what it is they’re doing wrong (and of course they don’t like getting too close to customers, anyway ;~).

          To address your specific comment: Yes, Nikon needs to get ahead of the curve with compression; adapt ProRes or Avid’s compression directly and avoid all the Blu-Ray derived junk that results in transcoding. In the current form, we’re stuck with compressions well below broadcast standards. And, of course, if they’re going to go higher in quality in encoding, they need better sampling.

          (Aside: one thing that’s problematic to me is that all the camera companies seem to think that all still cameras need the same video capabilities. The D810 is not a particularly good choice for video due to the huge pixel count. Sony seems to be trying to solve this with the A7rII, but I’m not completely convinced that’s the right thing to do. What we’re getting is a lot of Swiss Army Knives instead of a really nicely defined knife SET.)

          And this whole thing about “movie” has got to end, too. The Nikon DSLRs do not make movies, they capture video. The movie nomenclature is pretentious and misleading (both to customers and I think to Nikon engineers, who seem to value 24 fps a lot).

          As for my comment, I thought the words “I’d actually be…” were indicative of my own personal predilection, not what would make most sense for the largest audience.

          • ITN

            “Movie” is used in the marketing literature because one of the reasons DSLRs are used for video is the possibility for shallow depth of field which is outside of the domain of the traditional video camera, and so it results in a different look which some call cinematic … hence the term “movie” is used in context of DSLR video. Another reason is the poor suitability of DSLR video for run and gun shooting, which video cameras (with small sensors) are able to do with ease. This all is closely related to the shallow depth of field and focusing. It’s more of a production to shoot DSLR video, and again we come to the term “movie”.

            • Thom Hogan

              And yet I just came across several Nikon brochures that use the term Video ;~). Even Nikon marketing can’t seem to get it consistent.

              More to the point, I’ve not heard a single person ever ask “what movie features does that camera have?” Not one.

          • ITN

            “Movie” is used in the marketing literature because one of the reasons DSLRs are used for video is the possibility for shallow depth of field which is outside of the domain of the traditional video camera, and so it results in a different look which some call cinematic … hence the term “movie” is used in context of DSLR video. Another reason is the poor suitability of DSLR video for run and gun shooting, which video cameras (with small sensors) are able to do with ease. This all is closely related to the shallow depth of field and focusing. It’s more of a production to shoot DSLR video, and again we come to the term “movie”.

  • Clifford Martin

    If it is only a 20mp sensor then I will be very disappointed. The flagship camera needs to be a minimum of 24mp and should set a higher standard at maybe even 36mp or more.

    I also want to see dramatic improvements in the Autofocus. Built-in GPS and real workable wi-fi tethering not the crap they put on the D7200.

    • nhaler

      The D4s already has class-leading autofocus, so what improvements exactly are you thinking of? (The 7200 and even D750 are not very comparable to it, even with the low-might abilities factored in)

      • Eric Calabros

        That improved only a drunk photographer may miss the shot

    • Carlos

      Just remember that this camera is aimed for photojournalists and sports photographers. We don’t need anything above 18-20mpx.

      For printed press, 12mpx is more than necessary 😉

    • sickheadache

      Let’s Put that Dog To Sleep…To achieve 15fps..and High ISO…that Sony Sensor must be low…20mp. or so. Thanks Clifford.

      • FYI, my Sony A77 II with 70-400 achieves 12 FPS with a buffer of 52 large, fine, jpegs. That’s not too far off. The Samsung NX1 does achieve 15 FPS with a 28 MP sensor. I haven’t used it though.

        • sickheadache

          We r yapping about Raw…Stop and smell the fail. Raw Files…Pros. Dem lil jpegs…amateurs.

    • Jacobus DeWet

      for high speed photography file size and data storage and processing speed is critical. anything above 20-24mp is to much, that is the space of the D810.

    • Thom Hogan

      And why would 20mp be a disappointment compared to 24mp? Be specific.

      • 24×36

        My guess is that those concerns are driven by those worried about D600s and D750s having “more resolution than the flagship body” than by any practical considerations. 😉

    • Zinchuk

      I concur. Built-in GPS, wifi, AND wireless flash triggering should all be included. I’ve been harping on this for years, but that doesn’t make them less relevant. They do that, I am not only buying a new D5, but three, maybe four new top-end speedlights. These should all be integral in the body, NOT as dongles, hotshoe, etc.

      I would like to see 24+ megapixels too, but that’s because I make massive prints on my Epson 9900 printer. Alternatively, I might be picking up a D900 too for that purpose.

    • EnPassant

      The reality is the FF flagship camera now is an action camera built for speed. 36MP or more would make it much slower and therefore is not an alternative.
      You would not expect a formula one car to carry as much load as a van, would you?

    • neonspark

      They should pick a resolution that will allow them to create the most stunning 1080p OR 4K possible with the least noise and moire possible. Why? because honestly anything they pick at this point in stills isn’t going to matter, but could cripple their video as it has in the past leading to yet another nikon you can safely skip and go buy canon/sony instead. If that number is 22 vs 24, pick 22. Whatever the number is, do what sony did: work your way backwards to a resolution instead of picking a resolution from your arse and trying to make good video out of it: the nikon approach so far and their video marketshare speaks as to the efficacy if this strategy.

    • neversink

      The 16mp sensor on the D4 is beautiful. I don’t need 24 mp. I’ll shoot the D800 if I want more mp.

  • Marcelo Tezza

    A7smk2 sensor?
    I hope not.
    173 af points, this intrigues me.
    guessing this point are on sensor af

    • Thom Hogan

      Yes, you should be intrigued. That’s all I’ll say.

      • Marcelo Tezza

      • John

        I’m still guessing something on the focus screen…

      • Marcelo Tezza

        who are you? And why this response out of nothing?

      • NewsCamera

        Awesome! Thom knows . . .

  • iAMvaldano

    Yay!!!!! Hopefully the price on the Nikon D3s will fall (significantly) so I can finally grab one. Hip hip?

    • Chances are good when it comes to a drop in price – and I like your way of reasoning; hope you get it 😉

      The D3s is truly a beautiful camera. It does everything you want, and if your main concern is merely creating imagery, it`s a fantastic workhorse that won`t let you down. I myself am in no stress to upgrade to even a D5. Because what do I need ..personally? I still shoot film, and once it was the F5, now it`s the F3 (with help from the FM3A for flash photography), and I use the old MF Nikkors – oh.. the viewfinder of the F3hp. It does not get any better, and if I should beat the D3s for one thng.. I`d like to have the F3(hp) viewfinder attached to the D3s 🙂 As to the future, I only need to upgrade if I get “real” video quality. That`s the deal here.. I can`t bring myself “truly” into video movie mode, because.. it`s simply not up there, not in any of their bodies. Nikon has this very moment of typing not yet mastered to produce a product that makes movie nerds go crazy. That`s a fact! Am I right? I need video, good video – not just 4k, and I need a camera with a better viewfinder for MF, that inclusion besides video would also intrique me .. but really, I don`t need any other camera than the D3s. It`s a jewel. I am all solidly well served for what I do.

      If you need a film body, old school, tiny format: nothing beats the F3.. the range of used gear you can add to that. Only downside is the MASSIVELY annoying high price for film. Film is yummy-looking.

      There is a lot of talks about MP in digital photography, the “wishing list” following that classic discussion. How about the glass to support it? 12MP is good for Nikkors, 16MB being at the border.. and I suspect 20MP is pushing it? Why don`t we talk about what Nikon currently offers to support their 36MP sensor? Have you seen the Otus series by Carl Zeiss? I`ve tried it out, and yes.. nice glass, but really.. nothing beats those tiny cool MF Nikkors, the feel, the finger print; they`re splendid performers, and as a film shooter aswell I am not too kean on nano coating either. A pro body with a .. let`s say 20mm f/2.8 AIS. That`s a light-weight fun combo. Or.. adding the 105mm micro f/4 AIS (even with PN-11).. the nice ISO capabilities of D3s.. it`s fun. Quality is stunning – what more do I need, really? I don`t need all that new gear – there is tons of great used gear out there.. to grab this instant (unless poverty rules your neighborhood). How about upgrading those old Nikkors instead, Nikon? CPU build in, a new coating perhaps (only for digital) .. giving us more to chose from. Incorporating viewfinders again into the train of thought ? .. fx.: noting that some still like to focus manually! AF makes.. sea sick 🙂 I need to do that myself, focussing, unless we`re in sports or some other fast action impossible to capture.. but, I captured boxing events with MF. It`s a matter of timing and accepting missed shots. It can be done. But we all have our own private work processes, so.. no need to go down that road. And I don`t need high speed AF that often, I simply don`t.

      I wanted to write something short 🙂 Apparently it can`t be done on this site ha ha

      I`ll end it up with my old boring song:

      Nikon Df. What a fail!!

      Here I was hoping for, finally after ALL THESE YEARS, that golden hot delicious F3 in digital form. Really, I was sooooo looking forward to it..

      Nikon, are you listening? What a piece of.. talk about the feel between D810/D700 etc and the pro body. Yes, there is magic to the one-digit series. And I can tell from the various posts that I am not the only one sensing it. Nikon Df is NOT a F3, and sadly.. not even FM/FE series.

      Re-do that one, Nikon. Please.

      Give us the F3 digital. Keep it simple. Keep it like it is. Let it be laid out so we can use our old gear with it, VF`s, screens etc.. you get the picure!! let it have only a sensor, you check shots when you get home. It`s like shooting film again. Only the sensor and the simple few controls you need. How hard can it be? And please.. I dig the titanium version of the F3, so.. but I think that is no longer “allowed” to produce, as titanium is hard to produce and, if I am informed correctly, creates too much dirty world.

      Sorry for the long post,

      😉

      • iAMvaldano

        Wow. Lengthy post! (not always a bad thing :D)

        Firstly, I do agree with ya about the D3s being a super awesome camera. I’m not a huge fan of those high mp cameras like the D750, D800 etc. to name a few. I think the D3s’s 12mp is perfect for me and my wedding photography. At least then I wouldn’t have to discard my 8gb and 16gb cards 😀

        As for the DF, I never really shot with film for a long period of time. Used it only a few times during a semester of art school. I’m thinking of going into film (to learn more, and I think it will make me a better photography) and I wish the DF was like that. In my mind, the perfect DF would be that fantasic viewfinder, equally awesomely built body of the F3, ability to use these new ‘G’ lenses etc… I would sooooooooooooo get one.

        Thanks for responding Nikonphine!

  • Joseph Li

    wow..sounds like a big jump…2 stop higher ISO, triple AF points, 30% higher fps,4k, more mp..sounds exciting. Who need a f/2.8 with that kind of ISO..go f/4s lenses!

  • captaindash

    I’m amazed nobody had talked D500 yet. I’ll start.

    • Lee Myers

      You took the words out of my mouth.

    • Jacobus DeWet

      Nikon will not do a D500 Dx body, Dx is now the space for mainstream mirrorless and Nikon has turned its back on the high end Dx market. D7200 in a Pro body with higher fps and D4s focus and processor will be a market beater for DSLR users.

      • Thom Hogan

        All of mirrorless combined still sells fewer cameras combined than Canon APS/Nikon DX. I don’t think Nikon will have any choice but to trickle down the new technologies they’ve developed, which has been their modus operandi for four decades or so. Whether that’s a D500 or a D7300 would be an interesting choice, I think, and totally revealing of Nikon’s thinking.

      • EnPassant

        But maybe they’ll do a D500 FX body based on D5500?
        All Nikon DX DSLRs since 2009 (except he D300s upgrade) have used four digits in their name.
        I don’t think they will change back to older naming practise.

      • Nimloth

        If they make a DX retaining the 5×00 touch+flip screen and size, while adding the good features of the FX-line, I’ll buy a handful of them immediately, as long as it’s not more expensive than this FX monster. 🙂

      • They could come out with the D9000 as the pro body DX …. So we could see a plethora of DBZ memes about it.

  • Ian Collins

    Any idea what the BALLPARK release timeframe would be??

    • Ric

      Before Rio. Dat fo sur

      • Thom Hogan

        Original schedule: August 2015. Current schedule: before end of 2015.

        • Ric

          any hint to the reason for delaying?

          • Probably development issues and gearing up for mass manufacturing. This will be a seriously popular camera and there’s no point in releasing it if they can’t supply for the demand. 😉

          • Thom Hogan

            I don’t believe there’s been an actual delay. The original goal of getting back to the August launch dates was probably overly ambitious. It’s tough to take out dependencies when you’re trying to build next generation products that have new technologies in them. So I think the current schedule is likely just the result of their normal process, as far as I can tell.

        • Eric Calabros

          Maybe they’re waitin for mass production of this beast

          • Thom Hogan

            As someone else pointed out, those are dedicated encoders and decoders. Generally the camera companies have used their ASICs for encoding/decoding.

  • T.I.M

    only 20MP sensor ?
    I just bought my 3rd D800 (made in Japan) today for $1300 on Ebay.
    16 to 24MP is ok if you use zoom lenses, but if you have mainly primes lenses, 36MP is much more comfortable.

  • spydaweb

    Could this also mean higher frame rates at lower resolutions (ie 1080p 120fps)?

    • Nik Fiorito

      That’s what I’m hopeful of!

  • Sports

    At most 1% of Nikon customers will consider the D5, so it’ll be interesting to see which features will be the first ones to move downwards to other bodies.
    4K is expected, of course.
    But how about the AF module? It’ll almost be a total waste to develop a brand new AF module, and only put it in 1% of your cameras. The module would never be able to pay its own development costs. What will be first – D900-FX, D820-FX, D400/D500-DX???

  • Peter

    That is the camera I dreamed of for five years now…

  • Joe

    Anyone into 4K video wants a mirrorless camera with great EVF like the GH4, NX1 or A7r II.

    • Eric Calabros

      You mean those who buys external monitor for their mirrorless which can be used with DSLRs too? right

      • Joe

        No, the ones who shoot handheld 4K & HD video looking through an EVF like with my NX1, GH4, A7r and VG900 full frame camcorder.

      • Joe

        I use the EVF when shooting handheld 4K and HD video with my NX1, GH4, A7r and full frame VG900 camcorder. DSLR users are stuck with a useless flipping mirror and OVF .

  • For the D5, I want (minimum):

    36mp
    11fps
    GPS
    WiFi

    Done. Make that camera – I will buy it. If not, I’ll stick with my D4.

    • won’t happen, the D4 line was not meant to be a high MP monster, after the D3x we now have the D8xx

      • Rafa R

        too bad that after the D3x we get the flimsy D8xx bodies.

      • I get it – that’s why I’m hoping for the D5 to be that – or the D4x. I want the MP of the D8xx with the pro/sports/outdoor monster that is the D4. I skipped the entire D3 line. I went from D1->D2X->D4. I shoot landscapes / sports / people. Would really love the MP of the D8xx without sacrificing anything – and my wife’s P900 has WiFi / GPS in a $600 camera. No reason not to have that in the pro models too at this point.

        • I agree, I shoot landscapes and Birds in Flight with my D800. A D5 with D500/D900/D760 with water sealing, increased FPS and autofocus is a great combination. I’d delay my retirement and work another year just so I could buy both bodies.

        • Also, I like to shoot sports a bit wide, and like to crop tight. I need more than 16 or 20mp! It needs to be minimum 36mp for me to upgrade.

          • drpeters

            If you shoot sports wide and are currently using a D4 with “only” 16mp, then 20mp will be an improvement!

            • True, but I was looking for more than just an incremental improvement, I’m looking for dramatic improvement. I’ve seen what the 810 can do. I want THAT in the D4x/D5.

            • Flipper Tweenie

              That would be nice… but whew the HDD space. Can’t imagine what raw+jpg would do to the buffer lol

      • Admin, what body do you expect to be released with or shortly after the D5? What’s your thoughts about a D760 or 820 to include 4K, +fps and improved focus?

        • not this year, maybe a high end DX DSLR in 2015 if we get lucky

          • Ric

            errrrr, 2016

          • What about an upgrade to the D810 in response to Canon’s new MP Monster? I hope Nikon does not delay their response the way they’ve done on the Canon 7D MkIII

            • not this year, maybe in 2016

            • I will be patient and keep my D800. For my BIF I want a D9300 (DX) or an upgraded D810. My D300 is ok in good light but sucks in low light situations. I can use the D800 for landscapes but I’d love an improved autofocus, high FPS and low noise body without spending $7,000.

            • neonspark

              You mean Canon’s ancient sensor with the DR or a rebel and lacking even 4K ?
              Their response will be predictable: A7R2 sensor. So nikon already won that one. It may not be as high resolution but given how ancient the 5Ds sensor is and how silly their video, nikon can still claim the high resolution crown of sensors you actually want to use in 2015.

        • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

          Good question hopefully next year in both a FF D850 and a high / mid DX like D400 / D7300

    • Peter

      Good luck!

    • Thom Hogan

      Because of Nikon’s changes from the D3 generation to the D4, that’s not likely to be a product, ever. A D5x, were they to return to a high resolution integrated grip body, would almost certainly have to be 42mp+ (and probably 50mp+) and that isn’t going to be 11 fps.

      Methinks Nikon outsmarted themselves. They went from pricing the D3x too high to pricing the D800 low enough that it vacuumed up customers that didn’t need it. They’ve completely messed up what was an understandable and reasonable lineup, and are now cramming in FX models wherever they can to try to find those last remaining DSLR customers that weren’t satisfied with the D3s and D800. This won’t end well if they keep changing the product line definitions.

      • Eric Calabros

        For a 42mp camera, NEF files will be around 52mb. at 10 fps its like 520mb/s! Its near high end SSD drives write performance. Do we have any card to support that kind of data flow? You dont pay $6-8k to get a slow camera. People think adding integrated vertical grip solves the problem

        • mrterrabyte

          Uncompressed, full res D810 nef files are already approaching 80mb. 42mp would see probably 95mb files. I do agree with Thom in regards the messed up line up…Having both the D3x and D810, the full frame pro body has been missed, and as such I sense that the D5x will happen, and will (need to) incorporate some sort of SSD/hi gb flash buffer. I also sense Nikon’s been waiting for Canon’s 5DS/R release and sony’s A7 42mb thingy to gauge reaction, before committing.

          • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

            A good post (depending on power) could they use QXD Cards or / an expansion slot to house a

            SSD – M.2 SATA card. Anyway things are looking exciting and expensive.

        • neonspark

          they are not going to be bigger than Canon’s and they certainly are not sweating the card issue.

        • Thom Hogan

          CFast 2 cards run to a SATA controller are capable of 600MB/s. XQD cards are at 500MB/s if I recall correctly.

      • neonspark

        Does it matter? A D5X that costs 3 times more than the 5Ds and provide marginal, if at all better resolution isn’t going to sell. Unless it was 80MP there is no way they can compete on being able to hammer a nail with it alone. Maybe the reason you will not see a D5X has little to do with what nikon did but what sony and canon are doing: basically owning the market in the 40-50MP range. So if nikon hopes to say, ask 7-8 thousand dollars for a high MP body, they need to be, a high MP body nobody else can touch.

        • Thom Hogan

          A D5x at 56mp and US$6000-7000 would sell, I believe. Again, you have to think about your current customers, not your competitor’s customers. A current Nikon pro customer is running D4’s and D8xx’s. This makes for a mixed bag with different batteries, different cards, and the controls of the cameras are enough different to mean you have to pay attention to which one you have in your hand.

          Nikon got this right with the D1h/x, the D2h/x, and the D3h/x. They fumbled it with the D4/D800, though many of us appreciated that the D800 was less expensive. Still, as I’ve pointed out, I want both pro lines complete (D5h/D5x and D900h/D900x). Any pro would own at least one of the pairs.

          • ITN

            The integral vertical grip cameras have become difficult to sell (in any kind of volume) because both high fps (D700) and high res (D810) have been implemented in compact professional camera bodies and the manufacturers can’t undo what has happened. The recession has reduced purchasing power and very little equipment is purchased. Few will pay 2-3x just to get the slightly better build quality. With regards to your “any pro” comment, I think “some pros in the top 1% earning segment” would be more accurate considering the whole worldwide population of professional photographers. A lot of professional photographers are in the “never need high fps” or “never need high res” categories (many need one but not the other). And most importantly, most professional photographers today earn very little money.

            • Thom Hogan

              Maybe. I don’t have good D4 sales figures to analyze, but I’d also argue that Nikon botched the D4 with a lot of their decisions, too, so I’m not sure if I’d trust those numbers to be predictive if I had them.

              However, I don’t think any of us working pros really think the D810 body is up to level of abuse that the D4 body is. And of course the D800 was prone to cracked frames because of poor design and manufacturing execution.

              I’d argue that there ARE ways of differentiating the integrated grip bodies, the camera makers just aren’t very good at doing that all of the sudden.

              As for price, the D3x reflected another mistake: greed on product margin. That, too, tends to keep sales down.

              You are right in one critical respect: time is passing the camera makers by as ALL the economics have shifted badly for them at a time when they were already undergoing a market contraction.

              Still, I’d argue that if you’re 66% a camera company and you want to be known for producing the best cameras, you need to the top end to produce salivation in the masses. Even if they can’t afford to buy it, they should want it. Those that can afford it already want it but aren’t getting it.

    • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

      Only in a D5x and the high speed of 11 fps will be in crop mode like a APS/DX Crop

  • xrb

    20MP only! yuck! 😉

  • NikonFanboy

    hi admin,

    Great news. TFS. New 20mp sensor. That will be great. I hope 4K video comes with a color depth of 10-bits and 4:2:2 chroma subsampling or 4:4:4 (joking).

    native high ISO of 102,400- wow this is insane. Bring it on NIKON. 😉

  • decisivemoment

    Sounds like a good set of features. I’d probably at this point prefer 24 to 20 but close enough, and the video support, capture rate and AF system sound simply incredible. I hope they move on from XQD on the cards, given how poor the adoption of that standard seems to be. I also hope they integrate WiFi and Bluetooth, so that you can hook up whatever auxiliary device you need (iPad, Garmin, phone etc.) with the minimum of fuss.

    Also, and I have to say this whenever discussing any new Nikon product — I just hope the service is there to support it. NikonUSA at least has been dysfunctional of late for me, to the point that I’d probably only buy grey market or used as long as I can identify an ASP other than Nikon to service it. I’m even considering replacing some products that are Nikon-service-only with products that are eligible for third-party service.

  • jstevez

    I bet it will be around $9000 USD (or more)

    • Brian

      $7995.00

  • D700s

    I’m waiting. Putting money away for this.

  • I had no idea about this Socionext – what an odd name – I wonder what is the implications for any Panasonic video-related cameras.

  • As someone who shoots a lot of video on the D4s and D4, the biggest improvement they could make to the video department would be improving full-frame video quality. Right now, the only usable high quality video comes from the 2.3x crop. They really need to step up and make the full-frame video as high quality. If not, it may be time to move to something like a Black Magic camera for future video needs. I’m really tired of having to always shoot in ultra-crop mode.

    • Chobot

      you do know you are buying STILL camera, right? You would like to do video, get good video camera. We care about improvements in still camera department the most…

      • mikeswitz

        +1

      • Lol, just a stills camera? You’re living in the wrong century.

        • fanboy fagz

          yep. whats sad is that the D4/D4s video is softer than the cheapest camera they make-D3300.
          the D5 will step things in the right direction.

      • neonspark

        clearly he knows but can nikon survive on still cameras alone? they need to sell more cameras. A way to do this: stop trying to only sell cameras to still photographers.

    • Sebastian Rasch

      I think it’s even a 2.7x crop iirc.

    • Eric Calabros

      in a 20mp sensor, we have 5500 pixels in full width, 3840 covers exactly %70 of that, so they can give you full read out at Super35 crop.

  • Mike M

    Am I the only one that thinks 173 AF points is marketing sheet engineering rather than performance engineering? I’d rather see more cross type or double cross type points or total sensor f8 capability. Not that I’ll be buying one anytime soon. The rest is impressive if true.

    • BJ

      What if they are indeed all cross type?

      • Mike M

        Assuming I ever own one, set it to a lower set of points so that I can scroll through a reasonable number of them with the thumb pad and then use group dynamic to take advantage of the insane quantity, i guess?

    • If they spread out the AF points around the viewfinder, and make them mostly cross-type, then NO, you’d be very wrong.

      But if they’re still clustered in the center, and no cross-type AF points approaching the rule-of-thirds area, then yup, you’d be totally right.

      • neonspark

        hint: they will all be clustered in the middle. They have reached a technological dead end.

        • HF

          Says who? People talked a lot about dead ends in the past. Why not PD on sensor in combination, for example? As we still have lots of people using DSLRs, having tons of lenses, it will still take some time until mirrorless dominates in the high-end market in my opinion. Because of that I use both systems, as long as mirrorless doesn’t do all I want.

        • Are you an expert in phase-detect AF engineering, or do you have insider knowledge from DSLR makers? Or, sarcasm?

    • neonspark

      because this is a DSLR, based on past technology that is basically outdated for a format that is basically ancient: your area of the AF points will be limited by the size of the AF sensor. And unlike with on-sensor AF, increasing this area is not trivial for nikon. That is why even when everybody knows this is a problem, nikon and canon still sucking at it.

      • Eric Calabros

        These machines are not for P&S upgraders, these are for those guys whose images go to SI cover page. They know how to use the AF system with its coverage limits. You cant fool them with specs numbers

      • Mike M

        Do you really need to focus on subjects on the outside edges of the frame that often? I’m sure there are use cases for a bigger AF point spread, but I certainly can’t think of any in my uses of a camera. Nikons current top line FX cameras already have about as large of a spread of AF points as is possible with the space available in the camera. So they’re going to be putting a TON of points in a small space. But then again everyone thought 36mpix was insane, they seem to have solid technical reasons even if I don’t understand them. Back to your argument, while I’m not against mirrorless technology, I’m not sure being able to spread out more AF points is really an advantage that many will care about.

        • NewsCamera

          Mike said: “Do you really need to focus on subjects on the outside edges of the frame that often?” YES! All the frigging time. Ever shoot full-length verticals? There’s no way to shoot a model in portrait-orientation with an AF-point anywhere near the model’s head–the AF array forces you to employ focus-recompose (which often introduces focus error, especially at large apertures).

  • Hansjörg Weber

    15fps sounds good to me but how will they achieve them with a mechanical shutter? If i look on my D4S its already pretty dark if i look thrue the viewfinder at 11fps…

    • neonspark

      I’m more worried about the non E lenses. how fast can nikon push that 50’s mechanical gearing to the kind of precision it needs to? This may explain why all the telephotos are going E: basically nikon asked for the f-mount to be compatible with bodies nobody cared for, now we all get to pay for it. Today they are doing what they should have done long ago: ditch the aperture arm.

  • saywhatuwill

    “This doesn’t have 8K that I NEED. This camera fails.”
    How fast do you think you’ll be hearing that when this camera comes out?

    • neonspark

      not as fast as you’ll hear the 4K is all mush if they don’t sample it right.

  • outkasted

    I thought Nikon will repeat a previous launch they had done in the past D3/D300. How about repeating something similar. how about D5/ D500.
    The D5 killer Hi-iso @20mp and a D500 with 25000 iso but at 24mp rugged watersealed body. C’mon Nikon this will have everyone talking and hitting up their life savings to purchase!

    • neonspark

      that only worked because canon was as usual, playing the complacent card. Nikon started the high iso revolution, and the professional apsc. Today canon has both. Nikon will not get a splash. They need to disrupt. Disrupting is not dong what your competitors are.
      Want to make a splash? get rid of the mirror in the D400 and ship something never seen before that is twice as fast as anything canon has.

      • outkasted

        There WILL BE NO d400. That boat has sailed. But yes a mirror less D 500 will be nice. But it will need proven focus tech. Are we there yet with those evf thingys? We are talking pro body. Low light, snow and cold conditions, battery life for evf? I’m just saying.

        • John

          Clearly not there yet.

  • br0xibear

    I can’t imagine they’re going to do anything drastic to the basic body design, which means it’ll pretty much look like a D4/S

    • 120_300 OS for nikon

      brOxibear you are a nice fill for Peters site Nikon Rumors .It will be almost like you show here.

      • stormwatch

        How do you know that? Maybe Nikon would step on the wild side and make the radical change according to times, maybe they will fit not one but two F mounts…one for front side of sensor and another for the back side of sensor for taking selfies, or not missing the background action while picturing what happens on the sport playgrounds. Or it would be a camera which doesnt need to be hold at all, a D5rone, a self flying recording and picture making camera which would have it’s own conciousness, when it can make 4k movies, it can surely think.

    • Nimloth

      Will be a good paper weight. A hideously heavy and ugly one, but still. 😉

  • I was say that to a friend in january. the D5 will have 4mpix more (20mpix) and a max iso of 420k or more… and minimum 12 fps… sooo a dream comes true.

  • Kapitan Curtis

    Uhhhh guys… Remember how bad the 1920×1080 video is from the D4 / D4s? (without the 2.7 crop).

    They should fix that first so it matches native 1920×1080 cinema cameras before giving us 4K of unsharp, moire infested, blurry shit. I can handle a little bit of rolling shutter artifacts but at least give us a sharp image ffs.

    My prediction is that we get 4K video that is no better then my Samsung S6 Edge and in NO WAY comparable to 4K from an Arri / Black Magic / Red / etc cinema camera. Every product from Nikon so far that features video is complete garbage in terms of video quality.

    Beautiful photos though!

    • true

      no better than samsung s6 edge? come on now.. the lenses alone make it better.

  • Flipper Tweenie

    I so want this camera… I just hope it’s like 5000$ instead of 7 or 8k. But I guess even 5000$ is incredibly difficult for me to get lol I’ll have to wait for a price drop.

    • Brent Busch

      $5000? D4 was $6000, D4s is $6500. I’m betting at least $7000 for the D5.

      • Flipper Tweenie

        Don’t make me sad. 🙂

        • Brent Busch

          I wish it would be $5000 too, just don’t see the prices ever going down instead of up.

  • If they’re going for broke with the ISO, that’s a good sign that megapixels aren’t going to climb much higher than the current 16. Maybe 18-20? 15 FPS would be hard to sustain for much longer than a fraction of a second with anything more than 18-20 MP, unless this new chip is that revolutionary…

    • Eric Calabros

      Today chips are fine for that. Bandwidth is the issue

    • Brent Busch

      The D4/D4s will do 10 FPS for over 10 seconds. I’d certainly think with a bigger buffer and faster processor that 15 FPS @ 20 MP for 10 seconds isn’t THAT difficult.

      • No, I don’t think it’s that difficult. I just laugh when folks want 24-36 MP at 8-10+ FPS, but it only lasts for 1-2 seconds. For a pro sports rig, it’s all about stamina so to speak. Hands down I think folks who shoot serious sports would rather have a few extra seconds of buffer space than “too many” extra megapixels.

  • Curtis

    I can’t believe that people are complaining. Of course a native ISO that is 4x higher doesn’t mean the sensor will give the same results in 1/4 the light. (But we can always hope)

    • VikingAesir

      2 stops, not 4x higher.

      • Curtis

        Same thing. 2 stops = 4 times the light = 4 times the ISO value. Either way, a 2 stop improvement is way too much to expect without a dramatic change in technology.

  • Brent Busch

    Good lord, 15 FPS!? I burn through HD space the way it is with my D4. 😀

  • neonspark

    I would not expect 15fps in non E lenses. Thank you very much outdated F-mount supporters ;0

  • true

    Nikon showing its strong cards finally. After the reveal of A7r2, RX100m4 , Sony has been going really strong. I might get the RX100m4 as a second camera if it’s good. The Panasonic LX100 didn’t impress me enough with its still quality, but if the new Sony RX100 can do everything correctly (including stills), it would be very tempting camera for me.

    But nikon is strong. Even with all the Sony stuff going on, they get to reveal an end-game camera which not only does 4k, but is a upgrade for people wanting “more” (wonder what are the requirements for 15fps, probably will be much easier to pull of than earlier model did its max fps).

    Will ofc be out of my price bracket, but here I’m hoping they could eventually give some firmware updates that were rumored (in-camera raw histogram would be nice) for existing ppl.

  • toinks

    173 AF Points? so they are releasing a new AF module then.

    still hoping for that D400

  • Man, that 173 AF points.. Nikon, you have my attention.

    • Morris

      but not ur money ?

      • TheFantasticG

        What I do with my money is none of your business.

        • Morris

          damn 🙁

      • TheFantasticG

        What I do with my money is none of your business.

      • Not your business where I spend my money.

  • AYWY

    174AF points sounds ambitious. Hope they extend to the edges if true, or else it is useless. Would need significant design improvements/changes to ensure the AF sensor gets more coverage. Could be interesting.

    I agree with some comments that it would be good to edge up resolution to that magical 24MP. But I guess that could cause buffer problems. Guess we’ll eventually get that res with the D6.

    15fps is ridiculous though. If I can’t get the shot with 10fps because the magic moments “happened between the shots”, it’s down to a matter of sheer dumb luck.

  • Art

    Wow! This is a sign that they are finally going to release the D400! I can’t wait!

  • Andrew Jay

    Seems the Flag ship ODD numbers have had the best improvements

  • sickheadache

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  • SkyMeow

    I currently own D4 and D810. D5 looks somewhat interesting but it doesn’t seem to offer enough to make me want to upgrade. After what sony had done with A7RII, I’m actual more interested with A7SII. That one will the ultimate low light camera.

  • NikonFanboy

    Thanks…Just out of interest, how difficult is it to make YUV 4:4:2 or 4:4:4 –10 or 12 bit? Doesnt it take lot out of the hardware?

  • Eno

    It’s sounds almost to good to be true. I can’t wait for more rumors and the final product. 🙂

  • ‘173 autofocus points’
    Is this the swansong for the Multicam 3500 FX? I really hope they spread it over a larger portion of the the frame and that it has more cross type areas towards the sides of the frame.
    Making it work quickly and reliably in 15 fps bursts should be interesting to see.

  • Always nice to see a new Nikon pro camera announced, but personally I’m still looking forward to a true D700 successor 🙂

    • decisivemoment

      which would presumably be the D750 with an upgraded shutter or a D810 with a higher capture rate? I should think one or the other will be here soon enough, and the existing models are pretty close. Personally, I’m looking for Nikon to rediscover customer service and quality control . . other than the cash-flow-crimping hole in the top of their DX lens and camera line, which, were it filled, might provide them with the resources to deliver a true modernized D700, there’s not a lot missing in terms of products.

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