The situation in Thailand doesn’t look good for Nikon

Nationmultimedia published the above table about the effect of the Thailand flooding on Japanese companies. Quote from the same article:

"Electronic manufacturers also are heavily dependent on production in Thailand. Nikon Corp.’s Thailand plant produces low- to mid-range single-lens reflex cameras, which account for 90 percent of the company’s SLR camera production."

Western Digital who also has factories damaged by the floods said that it may take up to six months to repair their facilities:

"They asked us to speed up draining water from the plants. If it could be done in one to two months, the company expected to then take about four to six months months for repairs."

I received an unconfirmed information that a Nikon press conference in Belgium scheduled for October 26th has been canceled.

Chase Jarvis will have a "Special chasejarvis LIVE on Wed Oct 26th":

I am clueless as of what will happen next week - a lot of conflicting information.

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  • Vandyu

    Things are looking bad for both Nikon and Sony. They’re welcome to relocate to a factory in the U.S. and most cities will work out some type of tax deal with them just to get our people back to work. My comments are my opinion only.

    • The invisible man

      It’s not just about how much less the employees in China or Thailand will cost to the compagny.
      The problem with having a factory in USA (beside the cost of the salary) is that US employes can’t get to work in time, get sick every other day, will sue their boss if they broke a nail, etc…

      • Anand


        Very true invisible man.
        In other countries, they are happy and honored to have a job…here it is…”Company should be honored that I work for you!” mentality

        I am self-employed small business…see this all the time!

        • Souvik

          @Anand, workers needs to be protected from greedy company ceo’s that takes in millions of dollars and doesn’t give damn for average joes.

          Workers needs to be paid and rights protected, just like CEO’s needs to be paid and have their multimillion dollars jets to fly them around the world.

          • step

            greedy CEO’s….thats it!!!….i’m switching to canon

            • PM

              LOL this made my day!

            • brody

              or olympus…….

            • Jenner

              God I hate this site…..

          • NyconNeoColonialist

            “CEO’s needs to be paid and have their multimillion dollars jets to fly them around the world.”

            Ya darn tootn!

            • Andrew

              Colonialist, please be kind… or at least don’t let others know your identity. On another note, how is your $8,000 D3x coming along?

        • Been there guy

          That is an absolute crap!
          People in Thailand exploited from Japaness is because their own country could not support them with a job. It’s either work like a slave or go hungry.
          We have to agree that there are some workers out there in US just like you have described–lazy, but, this is not the norm, the majority of the workers are decent and willing to work with a fair pay. A fair day of work with a fair day of pay is what most of us wanted, not to be exploited by the corporations.

          • Bip

            At the rate the unemployment is going, you may one day beg to be exploited and work like a slave.

            • Been there guy


              What does that mean?

              Are you going to help with the economy or just waiting for that day to happen?

              If you think you were invincible when that day comes, you have been misinformed my fellow american. Where ever you might be hiding then, you would go down with the rest of us together.

          • Andrew

            The last I heard, the US has a free market economy. If you find a certain company exploitative, then leave and find a better company. Or better yet, start your own.

            There are people in the US that are not CEO’s who make millions – like actors, entertainers, and athletes. Others make $50,000, $75,000, $100,000, $150,000 and more based upon their education or skills; I am talking about Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, Small Business Owners, etc. Then there are wealthy people, including CEO’s who have given away millions and billions to charity.

            • Free-market?

              And then there’s the rich people who inherited from their hard working relatives and contribute nothing.

            • Been there guy

              If the free market works so well, where did the market crash come from?

              If the free market works so well, why they need bail out?

              If the hard work and education will bring prosperity, why so many college grads can’t find a job?

              If the free market works so well, why the bank refuse to make loans to small business that needs capital flow?

              Free market doesn’t work my friend, the greed had took over the free market long time ago.

              The Reagan’s de-regulation and Bush’s free-trade pact has made a hot bed for the corporate GREED, and brought this country down, don’t you forget that!

          • Iris

            Dude, Sony, Nikon and a bunch of companies put their factories in Thailand not because of cheap labor but because of good infrastructure and government support.
            Those workers are well paid and not even getting lowest national wages in Thailand. Don’t say anything that you don’t know.

            • Anon

              Haha! You honestly believe that? pfft.

            • Dave

              So true. I know because I live here.

        • In Saskatchewan, Canada, hundreds of businesses are recruiting foreign workers, in everything from the oilfield and heavy duty mechanics to coffee shops. I attended a seminar last week with the local chamber of commerce about recruiting foreign workers. Now note: My town is 6 miles due north from the U.S. border. I asked with 14 million unemployed Americans, why are they looking to the Phillippines, France and eastern Europe, and doing language equivalency tests, when some skilled, unemployed English-speaking worker in the rust belt could pack up a U-Haul and be here in a day?

          The response: They don’t pursue American workers because they don’t want it, i.e. work, bad enough. That’s evidenced by the fact that North Dakota, just across the line, has thousands of high paying jobs that no one wants to fill – and that’s in the same country.

          We have over 600 jobs available in my city of 12,000 people. Most of those start at $25 an hour+. Yet they’re recruiting workers from across the Pacific. That makes sense.

          • Eric Calabros

            $25 an hour? or one D3s per month
            God, why you didnt create me in North America? 🙁

            • These oilfield jobs run 14-16 hours a day. Factor in overtime, living allowance at $120 a day or so, and it adds up very quickly. Companies pay $120 a day or more for camp fees per worker for those who stay in camp. Typical salary for a year would be $80,000 to $120,000. You’d have to save some pennies, but I’m pretty sure on such a wage, you could buy yourself a D4, when available, in short order, especially if you are young and single.

        • D200Forever

          @Invisible (but visible)

          yes, same here in Europe but worse

          Welfare payments, ‘human rights’ , can’t get fired, etc etc etc

          They call it Socialism

        • sim

          yes, great countries ! You can work 12 hours a day for 23$ a month with 19th century working conditions !

        • Andy P

          Another pair of John Galt wannabes dishing out falsehoods dressed up as sound economics.

      • gt

        I hope you’re kidding. Otherwise, you’re you’re a very narrow-minded, ignorant person

        • Nathaniel P.

          You seem ignorant spelling you’re twice.

      • paul

        yes, we can thank our wonderful unions for contributing to the great American work ethic!

        • WTFiWantFF


        • …like many things, the unions have brought about many positive changes, but have hung around too long and evolved into parasitic mafias. The teacher’s unions don’t improve education and the auto unions don’t improve the quality of cars. Instead of mutual respect the common relationship between employer and employee in the US is mutual distrust and contempt, with both at the ready to screw each other over at the drop of a hat.

          • JerryFish

            Hmm, a well thought out comment from what seems to be a rational mind… are you lost?

            • …haha…of course!

              NikonRumors: abandon hope all ye who enter!

        • Been there guy

          It’s funny, when the union ask for raise for the workers, it’s socialism. When the CEO ask for raise, it’s capitalism!

          • paul

            I do agree with that point. While I really think the unions are a huge problem, I also agree that executive pay is out of control. The “excess” CEO’s and other make really should be directed back to the share holders and employees. but the union mafia is destructive, the pull down everyone and only want more and more and operate outside of the market!

            • Been there guy

              You have to understand where unions are come from. They are just a group of working stiffs. Their mostly reactionary action stemmed from their corporate oppositions.
              The CEOs hiding in the skyscrape offices, giving lavish parties and generous bonus to managers, the working stiff could only bargain for few bucks more wages. A corporation could only service if the managers and workers work together, not at each other’s throat. If the CEO fly around the world in the company jet, so what if the workers get a few more bucks?

            • aetas

              I don’t believe that all unions are not needed or abusive. There are good and bad workers on all skill levels at all jobs union and not. I have never seen the problem with the voice of many getting negotiating a wage as compared to one individual begging for it. Yes there are bad points in unions like most things in life, but at least they are for workers. If anyone says that all we need is a mutual respect between the salary figureheads or ceos and the workers you are correct, but your also in a fairy tale if you believe that will ever happen. We all work for what we get and should all be treated equal but we are not. People in general will always look out for themselves first. I will change that when I see ceos making a living off salarys less then a small nations GDP.

          • Sahaja

            Executive and CEO pay in Japan is generally far less than it would be in the USA ,the UK or Europe for a similar size company.

            “CEOs at Japan’s top 100 companies by market capitalization earned an average of around $1.5 million, compared with $13.3 million for American CEOs and $6.6 million for European chief execs at companies with revenues of higher than $10 billion”


            The only CEOs in Japan that get really high pay seem to be the foreign CEOs:

            Mind you, if the sort of thing that appears to have been going on at Olympus is common, some Japanese executives may be “enhancing” their salary by other means.

      • A Business Owner …

        I agree. A company would be mostly nuts to set up a manufacturing job in the United States. Trade skills are no longer taught with much emphasis in our schools — machine shop, wood shop, etc. There is no shame in growing up to be a construction worker, auto mechanic, tree trimmer, or machinist. But, the emphasis in schools have all switched towards prepping kids towards college.

        Additionally, in many states there are a lot more restrictions put in place for what you can do by the unions, local municipalities, federal government, or environmental groups that can make your life hell if they don’t like you. (A friend by Seattle had a man-made flood come 5 feet from his house and it was only an hour before the environmental groups were on his property taking pictures to ensure he did not put any dirt between his house and the new found path for the creek.) There is no wonder why companies are moving overseas. With more and more onerous regulations and taxes, they aren’t leaving the United States, the U.S. is leaving them.

        • Been there guy

          If All of the jobs went outside of country, who, then, has the money to buy your goods?!!

          • Desinderlase

            Well, the people abroad…

      • John Handymore

        Is the French work week still 30 hours?

        Americans area actually among the hardest working and most productive workers in the world. Look it up. The current poison in the political climate, though, tells us it’s all about elbow grease and pulling oneself up by one’s own bootstraps. Also, hard work is the reason people are rich.

        • Cflautre


          I Let you guess where I come from…

        • PixelBrine

          I’m surprised to see so much anger here at the American worker. America is one of the top countries in the world as far as productivity per hour worked. We are also on the upper end of the spectrum as far as hours worked in total for an industrialized country. We work later into our old age than almost any other first world country, and we do all this without the benefit of state covered health care, one of the lowest minimum wages of a first world country, and some of the most deregulated, toxic, and unsafe work environments when compared to other first world countries. Yes, there are ungrateful and cynical employees in the U.S but they do not represent the vast majority of our workforce.

          • Souvik

            I totally agree with PixelBrine & John Handymore. American workers are one of the most productive workers in the world. We are in this economic mess not because of American Workers work ethic or because they sue their bosses but because GREEDY CEO’S and CORPORATIONS that screwed with the markets, selling and pushing derivatives into the market that they knew were worth nothing. The economic mess today is directly related to Walls Street. Trust me i know, cause I work for one of the walls street banks. REGULATIONS are there to secure & protect AMERICAN LIVELIHOOD.

            Most of the American workers have taken cuts, in pay & benefits, just ask the teachers in Wisconsin, what they have endured in the last year.

            So it is APPALLING to see the hatred towards American workers and their unions by some people in this blog. I guess the so called TEA party folks have been successful in brainwashing.

            • NyconNeoColonialist

              I agree with your first sentence.

              The rest is Social Democratic demagoguery.

              Your view of the Tea Party is uninformed at best.

            • Souvik


              Can you please explain what is Social Democracy is to me?

              People always throwing these terms without knowing what it exactly means.

              I am Burkean Conservative, not your average “American Conservative” or the so called TEA party which basically defines itself as anti-government movement.

              There is a reason for government, rules and laws in a society. There are no systems in this society that cannot fail, market is just one of them. Just like we have laws to protect people in the society, we need regulations in the market, so we can have a free and open market for everyone’s benefit.

              And if anyone here thinks that Big Banks, Wall Street, Corporations cares for Middle Class Americans or American Livelihood there are either being STUPID or Dangerously Naive.

              If people think GOVERNMENT is the problem, just like TEA PARTY & GOP says all the time, then why don’t these folks dSTAND UP and propose what they will replace the Government with AND if the answer is that MARKET will take the place of GOVERNMENT..then may GOD help us all.

            • borneoaddict

              Those who bash workers here perhaps own D3xs, D3s, D3 and Leicas…!

              I grew up in the golden times of ‘Social Democratic demagoguery’ in 1970s Europe, which translated as free healthcare, free milk and fruits at school, teachers who taught co-operation and solidarity instead of competition, free and critical thinking and the relative absence of racism. Yes, taxes were high, but you knew where the money ended up….and look what Europe has become: an Orwellian fortress ridden with cynicism, xenophobia, insecurity.

            • Ben

              The reason for the mess is could be easily traced to the democratic party. We are in this mess because of the subprime loan program first introduced by bill Clinton and Barney frank. The program forced big banks to give loans to those folks who would never qualify for a loan based on their credit rating. This whole thing spun a bubble market. Of course small banks jumped in on the scam because at that time it was the cool thing to do…that is until bubble burst. I would not be so gullible and start blaming banks the very heart of economic wheel but go after the architects and the democratic party who created this program. If u go after banks, u are only going after a tail. You should be going after the head of the snake.

            • aetas


            • Greg

              I find it humorous where everyone puts the blame. Why blame big business and CEO’s if, with the exception of a few, they just follow the rules the government gives them. The US, especially the Republicans, (and I like them over the Dems) is so into free enterprise and helping the rich get richer, they do not put restrictions in place to stop the CEO’s from getting outrageous pay or have laws that would have prevented the prime interest problems.
              I don’t see high paying hourly workers willing to give back any of their money so why should a CEO. The CEO doesn’t determine how much they get paid, it is the Board of Directors. Only when these businesses have to comply, will they.
              Regulations need to be put into place to stop the greed. Change the rules so corporations are forced to do what is right

            • ha!

              Greg. Problem is.. Corporation push and lobby to lift these rules. And give kick backs to government. Also a lot of corporations move into government to push for easy laws to allow the company they “used” to own and operate.. have more freedoms with what they can and can not do.

              And they have been doing it all along.

              Who we should be blaming are the people for thinking that they should only care about what’s is going on in their country during election time. Putting in someone who’s lied to them.. they all do.

              And then not pay attention.

              We are in this mess not because of corporation greed. And lacking of a government for the people.

              We are in this mess because each of us didn’t care enough to give a damn.

              p.s how many of us buy product made in china from walmart, because it’s a couple bucks cheaper.

              So I’ll say it again. Don’t blame capitalist greed.. it’s what they do.

              Blame your self for being mad about it and not doing anything about it.

              Until the time that you do. They will continue doing what they do.

              And that my friends. Is how you play a game.

            • ha!

              And i’m not a occupy wallstreet person.
              That’s a bit too little and too late thing to be doing.

              We warned you about big banks and corps and governments.

              But you called us conspiracy nuts.

          • One More Thought

            +1000 to Pixelbrine and Souvik. American workers are great and are not the problem. For years the middle class has stagnated while the very wealthy have reaped all of the rewards…this started with Reagan. So now you have this boom and bust cycle because the only way the rich can get even wealthier is to create more bubbles that fool the middle class into thinking they are adding to their wealth.

            The current financial crisis is because the financial sector ran wild with crazy ideas to manufacture money from nothing.

            The best era of growth in the USA was in the postwar era from 1948 until around the mid 1970s…when unions were strong and taxes were even higher.

            • ivanaker

              “The best era of growth in the USA was in the postwar era from 1948 until around the mid 1970s…when unions were strong and taxes were even higher.

              It wa great bcz europe and japan were destroyed in war.
              we are back on track now, and you dont dominate any more.
              only another war, destruction of europe and far east asia will bring you back to the top.
              deal with it, america is history, just like rome, british empire, turkish empire….

            • Andrew

              “america is history”

              @ivanaker, you really do not know what you are talking about. America has the world’s largest economy. America has the most open economy in the world. If America decides to restrict its trade with the world, the entire world economy will tank! There is more that could be said to support my statement, but this is not the place.

            • Been there guy

              @ ivanaker
              Be careful what you wish for.
              Some big corporation are, and will plan for such business opportunities.

            • ha!

              @ivanaker.. you said it yourself.

              america will only be at top again when europe is destroyd..

              what do you think is happening now in europe with Portugal, Spain, Italy and greece.

              Go read before you speak.

              @andrew.. I don’t fully agree with you. But it’s nice to have that patriotic view about ones own country.

      • Reilly Diefenbach

        What a POS post that is. Shop your winger crap somewhere else. U.S. workers are the most productive in the world. We build the most complex electronic devices in the world right here. And we do it with at least some concern for the environment and workers rights. There are no nets rigged outside factory walls to catch would be suicides in the U.S. as there are in China.
        I’d gladly pay a bit more if the Nikon product was U.S. made. Gladly!

        • Souvik

          @ Reilly Diefenbach. I totally agree. I will gladly pay extra for stuff made in US. Right Wing nutcases are the ones, that are always attacking and vilifying American Workers, their work ethics, their unions, and everything in between.

          Its shame!! I know lot of Teachers, Union workers, paramedics, et all..who voted for the Republican Party in the past, but after the Union Busting tactic of GOP and the general attack on the livelihood of these people, they will never vote for GOP again.

          Most of them that I know, voted for GOP because of only religious reasons. But I guess bread & butter issue is much more a threat to them than Gay Bashing or Abortion.

          • Jacob

            Somebody save Souvik. He is trapped in it’s own TV screen, set on MSNBC channel…what a torture.
            You are so narrow minded, you call “nutcases” people that think different from the propaganda that brainwashed your brain. You are just a repeater, a puppet with wires. Tea party never asked for no government and for replacing it completely with market, they call for less government, you stooge.

            • Joe

              Somebody save Jacob. He is trapped in it’s own TV screen, set on FoxNews channel…what a torture.
              You are so narrow minded, you call “nutcases” people that think different from the propaganda that brainwashed your brain. You are just a repeater, a puppet with wires. Tea party never asked for no government and for replacing it completely with market, they call for less government, you stooge.

            • aetas

              Really did you get that off fox news and paste it here. Let me guess the rich are already paying to much in taxes and its just not fair also.

            • Souvik


              Before attacking me personally and calling me names and assuming which TV channel I have my TV set to, why don’t you go ahead refute my argument instead.

              To start off explain what do you mean by “Less Government”

              And just for your information, I don’t own a TV.

            • Souvik

              My Last comment was directed at JACOB and not JOE.

              I totally agree with you JOE

      • asantos

        Let us all not forget that it´s the same “expensive and lazy” employes in the US and Europe that are paying for products like Nikon DSLR made in Thailand and China.
        So we deserve a little more apreciation…

        • Andrew

          @asantos, thank you for your gentle words.

          Actually, the views expressed here against America is not representative of most people around the world. These people visiting this blog and saying “negative” things about America are visiting a US site because they are attracted to something (“yet intangible to them”) good about America. What they do not understand is that as they grow older and wiser, their current world views will change. Now to be fair, some of the “negative” views expressed here are also done by Americans – for whatever reason, be it political or economic. They too will change over time. The best thing we can do is respond in a gentle manner, as you have done.

      • Just me

        As sad as it sounds, he’s right. I see it everyday at my job. People calling in sick just because their sports team won and they drank too much or they leave early because they feel like it. Years ago I worked at this one place where there was just the two of us responsible for this one important area. So the night goes on and I’m working like a dog, I have sweat pouring down my face, I’m running like crazy and where did my coworker go? No idea. About 2 – 3 hours later he shows up and says “oh, I went and got high.” Gee, thanks. He got paid exactly what I got paid for getting high. Nice. Then there was another time where every hour or so my boss and others on the team would disappear for a half an hour at a time. They’d all come back all chummy, chummy. Where did they go? Smoking. Since I didn’t smoke I didn’t get the 1/2 hour breaks every hour or so.

        So, Invisible Man is right.

        • Been there guy

          @Just me

          There is bad apple everywhere.

          It’s your manager’s fault as well as your fault to tolerate such work ethics.

          I can bet my bottom dallor, for every guy like that, there 5 guys like you would want that guy’s job!

          • ha!

            I agree. been there.

            People love to point fingers at the others.. this is why the economy and government and war are where they are now.

            People just point.”It’s his fault. no! it’s her fault.. I say it’s both their fault..” etc..

            when in all actuality.. it’s their own fault for not doing something about it and putting it to an end.

        • Souvik

          @Just Me

          I don’t where you work, but just because you have some bad apples doesn’t mean you can draw general conclusion on all American workers.

          This nation is great because of honest, hard working men like you, me and everyone else that really does put in the hours.

          • NyconNeoColonialist

            Agree. 100%

          • Just me

            Sad thing is that my experiences with those “bad apples” happened in a few of the many large corporations and restaurants that I’ve worked in throughout my life. There are those workers that respect and appreciate their jobs, but I’ve run into so many people that don’t. I’ve run into so many people where they think the company *owes* them and forget they’re paid to work. So many people that will do whatever they want if they can get away with it. Those are the ones without job ethics or a sense of responsibility. The sad thing is that it happened at a lot of places I’ve worked. Again, huge corporations and not mom and pops.

          • Andrew

            At my previous job (over 15 years ago), I worked about 12 to 14 hours everyday without overtime pay simply because I took pride in my work. I worked in the Spacecraft industry as an engineer. Most of my co-workers were high level professionals. Our job was mission critical, and most of the global satellite communication went through our company. And yes, in America!

        • One More Thought

          @Just Me: I don’t think you can take one piece of anecdotal evidence…namely one incident with one coworker, and actually derive conclusions based upon the American work force.

          I know plenty of Americans who are amazing workers, and then go home and do amazing things taking care of their families and contributing to their communities. It’s sick to insult these people.

          • Andrew

            No, it is not sick, it is irresponsible!

        • paul

          invisible man is completely right. Where we may build great Black Hawk Helicopters etc, the average American union lackey is lazy, non-productive, and gives a product of marginal quality. Maybe becuase that is what many American’s will only pay for (why do you think the CoolPix is a best sellar compared to an entey DSLR)

          My bother in law runs a landscape business for which he has to accept union workers at times. We he doesn’t have to to he uses legal South American workers. There is no comparison in the work ethic, product, reliablity, and ironicall wages between the two. whenever he can he goes with then non-union worker for better cost and better worker.

          • Discontinued

            “My bother in law” ? ? ?

            That is a good one. Thanks. Now I know how to call mine and his mother alike.

          • aetas

            Its funny that you say that. Where as the union ironworkers build a building that many of you are sitting in faster and safer then non union labor. Mostly because of their training and work experiences.

            I for one take personal offense to someone calling all union labor non productive and lazy because you “brother in law” owns a business and does not like what he gets.

            As many have said here and I will take time to say again, you cannot judge a entire workforce on a small demographic. If I judged that the entire united states believes what you do based on your anti union sentiments I would think that no one ever used unions. Which is funny because everyone puts them down but when something need to be built fast and well the union is the first place they go.

            Also when something horrible happens like 9/11 guess what…the unions are picking up the pieces. Those were UNION WORKERS pulling people out of buildings so how about we show a little respect. In any city around the country union workers, everything from firefighters and emts, to the ironworkers, and electricians are told to head to the disaster not run away from it. They are the ones getting people out and rebuilding. Not just because they want to but because they are proud to.

            Yes, I am a card holding member of two unions and have seen more work don’t then most of my non union jobs or friends. So how about we step back a little and not judge all based on your brother and law and his landscaping business.

            • paul

              For you to attempt to tie together the tragic events of 9/11 with union issues shows a complete lack of inight into issues and does a disservice to the brave Americans who assisted others on that day. you are so biased with your union mentality that you are incapable of seeing the other side.

              As far as the criticism of my brother in law, I use that as a very recent example of many where I see more probems created by unions than benefits. I also can describe first hand issues of my public school teacher parents and the teacher’s union; the hospital where I work and the nurses union, a vairety of labor unions who have sent people to my house to perform work I pay for. Of course not all union workers are bad. But from my perspective, and apparently many others, unions lead to a culture of underperforming, of gaming the system, of extorting the system, etc. If you need any more insight, I would refer you to reading some of the labor problems going on in the state of Connecticut—union workers adding inordinate amount of overtime in their last three years of work in order to retire with a pension for life greater than they deserve, retiring earl with that pension, even in their 50’s, only to be able to go and find another job, etc. The unions, like Stalanism, sounds fine until you look into it. and they also are controlled by a select few individuals who look after there own interests while espousing how they care for there union brothers. Look at the State Troopers in CT who where thrown under the bus by their senior “brothers” as another example.

              For disclosure, I own my own business, am a physician, I give away tons of free care to those who can’t afford it and truly care for my fellow man. The union mentality, however, makes me sick.

          • aetas

            Not comparing the two just pointing out one of many reasons that unions are helpful. I think people need to be together to be stronger when standing up to a aggressive force.

            I could also complain about all the horrible services I get from non union workers but I don’t believe that means all non union workers are lazy or bad. I don’t use the actions of a few to describe the whole. And despite what it may feel to you just because “your” experiences capture one side also does not mean that is true. You to are a small demographic of the population. One to be exact and a physician which being a noble trade which I thank you for is not for the most part one that is worrying about paying their bills. True this is not always the case but the majority.

            Its the middle class that is getting less and less say about what happens to them that needs unions. My response was not directed to you personally just to those that want to blanket all workers as good or bad. I think people need to look at both sides and figure out what will help us as a whole.

            • paul

              I am not hostile to you personally either; I don’t even know you. I can tell from your comments that you take pride in your work, which is fantastic. I also appreciate your holistic view. I’m not sure if the conversation has moved beyond here nor if you even will see this. If you do, email me at and I’m happy to carry on the converstation and perhaps even be enlightened or learn something. I am conservative but I alway try to learn more.

              I’m sorry the converstaions have degraded to the point they have…it shows the strong views held by many.

            • p

              that was not com.

      • Cool WHip

        @ Invisible Man
        Sure, I can see assembly robots breaking a nail but law suits and sick days? Now your just being silly.

      • paul

        So then please explain this pervasive sentiment against American unions. from where are these perceptions coming? why are there so many who take exception to the ransom we all are held by unions. do you really mean that every right winger is an un-educated, simple, reactionary? do you really think the american work ethic is the same as 50 years ago? do you really think that one can not crticize the union mentality without being ant-American? God help us all!!!

        • Been there guy

          Time changes everything!

          The communism died in the 1980s. The capitalism/free market lone holdout–U.S. will eventually be changed into like Canada or EU.

          Social justice will over come capitalism, that’s the trend, and the train has left the station ever since Bush signed the NFTA trade pact.

          • One More Thought

            Extremes on both sides will never last…neither communism, nor free market fundamentalism run wild…

          • John Richardson

            Dude, I live in Ukraine, Communism is NOT dead, you need to read about the new trade union, just set up by 8 of the former Soviet States. I foresee a “new” era of Russian control since Ukraine, a HUGE backbone for Russia just signed the ex-USSR free trade union, because they were snubbed by the Eu due to the Yulia Tomashynko conviction. These “former republics” are all run by ex-commies, hell even Putin is ex-KGB head. This snub by the EU has driven the breadbasket of the Soviet Union right back in the arms of mother Russia, just when it looked as if were gonna be free of them…crap!

            The EU like the USA is out of credit. The EU is about to drop off some of their members who are “underperforming” or have no real industry other than tourism.

            Look to China if you want a country with a huge workforce and all the natural resources they need to be the next place for camera manufacturers to go for new factories. Hear me now, believe me later.

            • John Richardson

              On another note: This is bad news for Thailand, not just the camera industry. I don’t get a lot of news here other than the internet over here, but I have been to Thailand a few times, it was a pretty cool place, their growing pains and people have suffered greatly lately 🙁

              I will just continue to save my money for a new Nikon, WHEN they come out. If we have to wait it is not a big deal compared to everything that people lose due to “acts of god”.

            • zen-tao

              What does to do that antisovietic or anticomunist crap with a Nikon forum.? May be a CIA or Kusac forum over there. Try it and don’t relate us your hollidays in the Gulag.

            • John Richardson

              Slow down and watch your tying dude! You are pretty funny 🙂
              I was only replying to an above poster.
              Besides, how did flood turn into a “Corporate greed” rant?

              More importantly is the disaster that has befallen Thailand.

      • Michael

        The same story would be here in UK…

    • NyconNeoColonialist

      Don’t come to California. The Libtards have made this state a hostile business environment. North Dakota is where you want to be.

      • Reilly Diefenbach

        Ah, yes, North Dakota, the garden spot. You could buy a 5,000 square foot house there for about $30,000 right about now. Or you could buy a little house near the beach in California for about 3/4 mil. I wonder why?
        Ever wonder how why Norway has a dramatically higher standard of living than the good old U.S.A.? Ever been to Canada? Sweden? Denmark? New Zealand? France? It’s called a social contract, where the rich pay a bit closer to their fair share and everyone benefits. In the U.S., the only growth industry is spying on each other. The right wing nut jobs have flushed this country so far down the toilet it will never come back. Never.

        • NyconNeoColonialist

          Unemployment rates:
          ND – 3.2% CA-12.1, some communites over 30%. Businesses are leaving California.

          $750k near the beach? Where? Why? Location, Location, Location.

          Please define fair share. Nobody can seem to. 50% pay no income tax. vs. 35% rate for the rich.

          • PHB

            Well I have set up operations in both states. We go to California to hire engineers at six figure salaries plus bonuses and stock. We go to NC and other right to work states for call centers at minimum wage rates.

            Only the California types tend to buy pricey DSLRs.

            If you are paying 35% and you are rich then you need a different accountant. The top 1% only paid 19% on their income and that is clear of payroll taxes.

            • NyconNeoColonialist


              Why not call centers in CA? Higher cost of doing business, higher minumum wage, more requlations?

              Not everyone in the top tax bracket is a Millionaire or Billionaire. Nor is most of the income paid in wages.
              CA top rate of 9.5% starts at $46K for a single.

            • Rob

              You’re confusing income tax with capital gains tax.

            • paul

              I agree with Rob, there is so much spin in this country as to who is paying how much and what is fair. Warren Buffet also has done a diservive on the facts. If you are living on capital gains alone than you may pay less taxes. for those who have earned income, the top braket are paying a ton of taxes. those in the bottom half of income pay no taxes and indeed may get a rebate. there is such pollution an unfounded animosity. The whole sytem needs to change. I worry about our future. But what else are we to talk about while counting down to 10/26?

            • PHB

              No, my income is made up largely of dividends and capital gains on my investments. The fact that only the earned portion of it is subject to ‘income tax’ does not make it any less income.

              The way you wingers bleat on about how the tax burden of rich people like myself should be made lower makes me quite sick. No, paying me more did not make me work any harder, I just decided to only work half time instead.

              Over the past ten years the wealthiest 1% of the country saw the benefit of 66% of the growth in the economy.

              People like the Koch brothers are not wealth creators, they are predators, they make themselves rich by taking from others. In the Koch brothers case the family fortune was founded in Stalin’s gulags.

            • PHB


              No call centers in CA because there is no reliable source of labor for that type of work.

              Out in NC there are lots of places where its the call center or the unemployment line. But you only get what you pay for. I’ll place a call center in NC but would not want to go there for engineering. I would think twice about putting a data center in NC, though these days the placement of data centers is increasingly dictated by power availability. The US grid is very poorly equipped. Pretty soon it is going to be time to move up north to Canada for that.

        • Apparently you know little about North Dakota, or at least western North Dakota. It is seeing an enormous oil boom right now. There are 2,000+ man camps two hours south of my house in Saskatchewan. People live in holliday trailers over winter, wrapped in foil insulation due to lack of housing. North Dakota has doubled its oil production from 200,000 barrels a day to 400,000 barrels a day in THREE YEARS – bringing it up to the equivalent of Saskatchewan. It is likely going to double that AGAIN, to 800,000 barrels a day in the next four to five years. You find me these $30,000 5,000 square foot homes in Williston, Stanley or Newtown, and I will sell my $400,000 house two hours north of there and buy 10. Then I will sell them for $400,000 each.

          Did I mention earlier that there are 14 million unemployed americans, and yet thousands of unfulfilled oilpatch jobs in North Dakota, very high paying jobs?

          Ones that could buy you a new D4 in a month with your excess cash?

      • DMM79

        There is a difference between hard working employees and spoiled union workers. Unions ruin it for everyone, the company they work for, the customers that pay more, and themselves when they go on strike for 3 months right before Christmas and have no money for their families.

        • bob

          Spoiled Union Workers

          The NYC Transit Workers Union went on strike right before Christmas in 2006, IIRC, attempting to bring the city to its collective knees. It was illegal and immoral. One city firefighter was struck and killed on his bicycle as he was commuting to his firehouse because there was no mass transit. Traffic was snarled, and ambulances, police and fire equipment couldn’t get around. All because the Transit Workers Union, and its Union members, didn’t want a cut in their benefits, and they tried to hold NYC hostage. In the end, the TWUnion caved because NOBODY was on its side. And they didn’t get the contract they tried to ransom from NYC.

          • Everybody’s union

            The firefighters are in a union, the police are in a union, doctors are members of the AMA, lawyers have to be enrolled in the bar association of their home state. Adam Smith: the interest of manufacturers and merchants “…in any particular branch of trade or manufactures, is always in some respects different from, and even opposite to, that of the public…

            The corporations look out for their own interests, and so should the individual. If a union is the best deal I can get, I should take it. Furthermore, the unemployed are being led to believe that the unions are the problem. The real problem is the corporations don’t want to share. Unions are necessary as long as labor is necessary. Or feel free to sleep in a tent on Wall Street. I’m sure the fat cats will listen and have mercy on you.

        • nah

          if you are so anti union give up your 5 day work week, 8 hour work day, safe work conditions, decent wages, etc. you are the spoiled one who thinks that a corporation would give you these things if they hadn’t already been fought for long before your birth. because of unions even non union members get treated much better.

      • vinman

        You have got to be the most ignorant, troll baiting “craptard” on this site. Are you unemployed? You sure seem to spend a lot of time sitting around thinking up bull!?&@ to spew on this site to try and get some sort of response. So here’s your response – go to hell, you sad pathetic excuse for a human.

        Oh, and just you wondered, I support the rights of the people of this country over the rights of industry. Every. Single. Time.

        • bob

          open a business and your mind will change instantly. It’s nice to speak about the rights of people in industry, until there is no industry because your job was sent to another country where its done cheaper. You can then picket all you want.

          • vinman

            Sorry – been there and done that. I’ve been part owner in the same retail business for 27 years. It’s not supposed to be a system of people vs industry. That is, however, what it’s become thanks to rampant deregulation that gave corporations the power to change the balance of power – both in government (thanks to lobbyists and back room politicians) and in our economy. We were a “great nation” when we were powered by labor. Now we are powered by capital. This is what defines the “one percenters” that have drawn the ire of the rest of us. Once capital began to control the economy, we began losing jobs and workers’ rights.

            Just to be clear, I’m not narrow-minded enough to blame one side for the mess we’re in. It’s taken a total lack of foresight for decades to get us where we are today. Still, when the rubber hits the road, one side of “the aisle” is more than willing to cow-tow to the demands of big industry at the expense of the American worker and the environment. There is an unfortunate lack of social awareness of the extremes BOTH sides of “the aisle” have gone to in recent years. I am proud to lean left because at the end of the day I know, based on my socio-economic “class” the right does NOT have my back.

            Owning a business has no bearing on social conscience. You either have it or you don’t.

          • Everybody’s union

            So, from your perspective we should let corps just bend us over a barrel for fear that they may stop bending us over a barrel? So you’re being bent over a barrel and you’re just hoping and praying it doesn’t stop, huh? Have some self-respect man! This is America. We are a nation founded on ideals. If corporations want to leave, let them. But if they want to do business here, if they want to sell their crap here they need to remember one thing: By the people, for the people. If other countries have no problem peddling out their children as cheap factory workers, well that’s there problem. I don’t want to work at a factory that has suicide nets surrounding it. We said no to slave labor in 1861. If that means I can’t afford the new iPhone and I have to cut off my cable, so be it. Better to live on your feet than die on your knees.

    • Tonny

      salary+benefit in Thailand for this employee is about 500$ a month per head. If include OT it will be at 200-300$ additional. Can you guy live with that money?

      If you setup company in US I guess, to compete with this low labor cost. One employee in US have to output triple times compare to one employee in China or Thailand. That is a real problem.

      • PHB

        Labor costs are actually fairly unimportant in hi tech manufacturing. The cost of a worker is not very significant when you are spending $1 million per headcount on equipment.

        What matters much more is the ability to find skilled labor, closeness to suppliers, etc. etc.

        The current administration has changed immigration policy to de-emphasize border control and instead focus on deporting undocumented workers and prosecuting companies who employ them. Farmers in the South are now complaining that they can’t find people to pick their crops. US workers don’t want to do that type of labor after they studied at university.

        Needless to say, this policy is highly unpopular with the circles previously complaining about illegal immigration because what they really want is a cheap workforce that is easily controlled through fear of deportation.

        The biggest reason to avoid the US for manufacturing is actually health care costs. That is what forced GM into bankruptcy in the end. The pension fund was the major creditor. The trustees could not have legally accepted a deal that would have left their pensioners without the retirement health care benefits that they had worked for all their working lives.

        The low wages in Thailand will be a temporary phenomenon as the currency will revalue as more manufacturing is shifted there. The costs of offshoring customer service centers to India are already prohibitive for the quality of the product they provide.

        • Tonny

          You are somewhat true, but even the salary is not high percentage. Let say if it is 10% for overall cost then if you re-locate this factory and the labor will become 20% then it mean 10% profit has gone immediately. They care more about profit.

    • BartyL

      Wheeee! This is every bit as entertaining as that time the whole global-warming thing boiled over! Moderator must be in bed, or maybe just sitting in a corner rocking back-and-forth with his head cradled in his hands?

      • no, I am here – deleting only comments that use foul language

    • ArthurNava

      Check out Thailands working class methamphetamine problem which is a direct result of low wages by companies in said country. These people are forced to get another job or two in order to be able to earn a decent living. Sometimes the drugs were offered to the employees by the company itself to boost productivity. Just do a search for “Yaba” on your favorite search engine and you’ll get plenty of info. It’s nice to work in a country where I have rights, earn a fair amount of money, and do not feel like I have to use drugs in order to put food on the table for my family.

    • WOW! and all of this on a photography site! Is it any wonder the US Congress can’t get anything accomplished? It’s prettty clear from this group that even a group of photo enthusiasts/professionals can’t find common ground or a common purpose; villifying other’s points of view, denegrating those with different ideas. The constant push towards one’s exclusive views (liberal or conservative) really, really concerns me as to what lies ahead for the US and Europe. The corporate greed, pleurotocracy versus the union, socialistic control. Either way, we’ve lost our way.

      At the end of the day, I’d prefer to be in a society where all have the opportunity to work hard and where there are reasonable rules of fairness to live by. We help those who truly need it (the retarded but not the mildly depressed, anxious, get on disability at all costs type). We need a much simplier tax code and finally start pointing the finger at ourselves rather than others.

      Now can we move on to photography?

      • Souvik

        @ Paul

        I agree with you 100%. But I would just like to point out, I am not in favor of any ideology exclusively, all ideologies or ideas have limitations and that what we need to realize I think.

        I truly believe in order to solve our economic problems, we need to cast off our ideological predisposition and see the reality on the ground. Striking the right balance between free market and government regulations are essential in a market economy.

    • Sahaja

      When many large US companies have moved most of their manufacturing overseas why would any foreign company think it attractive to set up a plant in the US?

  • Douglas Adams

    That’s bad news…very bad news!

    • steve

      Yep, very bad news for Nikon and Thais who depend on Nikon.

      Also bad for anyone wanting to buy a Nikon consumer dslr – stocks will be exhausted in a couple of months ? Prices will go up ?

      On the other hand, second hand consumer dslrs might go up in value in a month or two when shop supplies are exhausted…. so great news if you’re looking to sell and switch systems.

      • steve

        …and that’s just Nikon…but the scale of this is huge and goes far beyond consumer goods. Really very bad news….

  • Thoughts and prayers go out to all those affected by the flood. The delays are disappointing to us Nikon users, but imagine how the workers at those plants feel.

    • Douglas Adams


      • Jeremy


    • canon guy


      Sendai first, Thailand now… Please hope there is no more for a looooong while…

  • rogues

    While the events in Thailand doen’t “look good for Nikon”, and we are all waiting with baited breath for the anticipated product announcements, we should also spare a thought for the human cost of these floods.

    • your moma

      it’s ‘bated’ breath, unless you are a fish.

    • Bip


  • T.I.M

    At least in Thailand flooding is fresh water, much easier to clean than the sea water from the tsunami in Japan.

    • LGO

      Cesium in Tokyo much more problematic.

      • T.I.M

        Was the Nikon factory close to the nuclear powerplan ?

        • Stone

          Close enough to be worried. I think LGO is referring to the high cesium level found in and around Tokyo.

  • Phil K

    What a shame that Nikon got badly hit by 2 extremely unusual natural disasters one right after the other, in 2 widely-separated places, when you would have normally expected that diversity to insulate them somewhat from the effects of a localized disaster.

    What a major bummer.

    • Remedy

      Having one factory in the very center of an extremely active seismic area and second factory in very flood prone area is not what I call diversity.

      • The invisible man

        @Phil K
        Good for Nikon they don’t have a factory in France, French employees would have start a 3 months strike to “support” Nikon’s employees from Japan and Thailand !

        • Art

          They already do. All of Europe shuts down for all of August each and every year!

          • alvix

            I invite you ALL to Italy !!…at your own expense..obviously ..since our government has already taken every €uro that was around…but they keep on collecting ..I guess..nighttime ..from the banks…cent after cent… 🙂

  • Big pixel

    Nikon d800 will be produced in Sendai, Japan and announced October 26. There is a high probability. And even though the Thai production will affect mid-range SLR, I assume that managers have taken steps.

    • canon guy

      Maybe they can consider utilizing the plants in Shanghai for those DSLRs as well. But now their mirrorless production might be of higher priority…

      The following article is in Chinese and it describes the V1 factory in Shanghai:

      • gobsmacker

        Shanghai is a very dynamic, cool city. There’s lots of money being made in China. When I was there recently, all the foreign tourists were carrying tiny P&S cameras, but the Chinese were all carrying expensive DSLRs. Well, that’s a bit of an exaggeration of course, but you get my point.

        The 3rd night-time shot at the link was taken from the main street called the Bund, and the scene is of the VERY tall buildings across the river that runs through the city, looking towards the district called Pudong. I’m guessing but I think it was taken somewhere in the vicinity of the upscale Fairmont Peace Hotel, which was originally built by the wealthy Sassoon family when they lived in Shanghai. I took similar night shots and a few videos from nearly the same location.

        • Been there guy

          Shanghai is a good place for a few well connected. Only way you can make it there is if you know someone important. It’s a typical place where money is the only official “D40” lubricant.

  • Robin

    “……Nikon Corp.’s Thailand plant produces low- to mid-range single-lens reflex cameras, which account for 90 percent of the company’s SLR camera production.”

    So only 10% accounts for professional range DSLR in Nikon’s product mix? This is HORRIBLE!!!

    • canon guy

      What’s so horrible???

    • Big pixel

      A difficult year for Nikon.
      I don’t know if it produces 90% of their Slr camera in Thailand but at least 3 / 4 sure.

    • Ke

      That’s not horrible – it’s obvious they’d sell a lot more £400 cameras than they will £3,000 ones.

      • PHB

        The ‘professional’ cameras are better but they are not that much better its worth obsessing about.

        For the users that it was intended for, the D90 was at least as good a camera as a D300.

        The Nikon V1 beats the performance of the F5 with any roll of film you could ever buy by quite a long way. The D3100 beats the D1 and D2 series cameras.

  • Jabs

    Bad news for everyone and thus lots of Electronic gear will be more expensive soon. Even Apple got clobbered with a Factory in China gone haywire too.

    Too late to move to America, as there is little or no infrastructure here for these Products.


    Nikon takes a second hit – what next?
    Sony and Canon also hit hard for a second time too.

    Time to do some preemptive shopping then before the price gougers get wise and mark up things outrageously – TOO LATE – they read Nikon Rumors too!

    So sad!

    I wonder how are the people doing or coping?

    Any Relief Efforts set up that anyone knows about off hand?

  • T.I.M

    Does anybody know if Nikon have full insurance covering his factories (sales lost, tools to replace, and production stoped) ?

    • that’s not the problem. time is

      • canon guy

        Exactly. Insurance wont be able to cover their loss of time to deliver products to market whose share might be impossible to recover if the competitors are on time…

  • D3S Guy

    off topic but thought you guys might be interested in this:

    Vistek in Canada is selling D3S for CAD 4699 only. Here is the link:

    • Camera Wang

      doesn’t make sense unless this is signalling the immanent release of the D4.

  • “No prospect of recovery” sounds a bit hasty to me. I would say it means the plant is a total loss and it will have to be reconstructed there or somewhere else. My guess is this will take the better part of a year. I just bought a D5100 for a close relative, and I expect these to be in short supply going forward.

    This is a severe blow. I expect it may result in Nikon being acquired by a larger company which has resources to bridge the gap. Don’t be surprised if something radical happens. Even bankruptcy is a possibility.

    There are 250,000 people out of work because of this. They must be hurting.

    • T.I.M

      + the rice production destroyed

      • steve

        Apart from the immediate threats, I think you are absolutely right – rice production is going to be a very very serious problem for the region.

        • Sahaja

          Not only for the region – Thailand is one of the biggest rice exporters in the world. Most of the rice sold in the UK comes from there.

          • The invisible man

            yes, my wife is Asian, she will pick up some rice before the price go up like crazy !

    • Kon_head

      @RS……. ‘Don’t be surprised if something radical happens. Even bankruptcy is a possibility’

      What? No insurance? No backup plans? Nikon is not a 2 bits company.

      • Nikon probably has insurance that covers some of the value of the destroyed building, equipment and inventory, but I doubt they have coverage for a full year (or more) of profits from the sale of production, and the resulting loss of market share to Canon, which will last for years.

        I bet the D5100 and D3100 are sold out long before Christmas and any lenses made there will be scarce as well. Remember the 35mm f/1.8 selling for more than MSRP?

        Financial analysts predicted Nikon would lose earnings if the plant took more than a month to repair. Here the problem is at least a year. It’s different from Sendai where they could move the machinery to Malaysia and make minor repairs.

        I have not checked eBay lately, but I don’t think you will find a complete camera factory for sale where all you have to do is program the CAD machines.

        My expectation is any model produced exclusively at that plant is now discontinued because by the time production resumes Nikon will have something else ready to go.

        • Sahaja

          If Nikon’s source of supply of DX cameras is drowned, tell your freinds to buy Pentax not Canon. We don’t want them taking all the market share – and the K5 is a good alternative to the D7K ~ with some nice lenses available for the crop format as well.

          Meanwhile Nikon need to get their new FX model(s) out fast – so Canon doesn’t take over more of that segment as well.

    • Bip

      “No prospect of recovering” is being taken out of context.

      Nikon has only one [big] plant in Thailand, which is Ayudthaya. Ayudthaya is sub-merged. There is no backup facilities.

      So what the text above really means is, Nikon has to re-tool everything after the flood is sub-side, that will take time.

    • KT

      Think about all the resources (time and money) they poured into the development of the mirrorless Nikon 1 system and right on the eve of the big production, the factory is gone baby gone. Mind you it’s not even the 1-year anniversary of the Sendai disaster. I don’t know where they will find the resources rebuild after all that damage in 1 year. And all that is taking place in the midst of a global recession like no other.

      • PHB

        Nope, different factory. The Nikon 1 is made in China. The lenses might come from Sendai though.

        I doubt that this will mean quite as much for production as people fear. What was lost was the assembly production. There are indeed turnkey facilities that can make an astonishing variety of ‘stuff’ from computer controlled production lines.

        What would be the greatest problem is the loss of lens polishing equipment, the jigs, the testing facilities etc.

  • Paul

    Damn nature, why you so cruel?

    • Plamen

      Because we people mess with it without realizing the consequences

  • FrenchFlies

    wow….what a bummer…..move to Jakarta / Bandung / Surabaya!

    • borneoaddict

      ring of fire, the next earthquake, mudflows, or social upheavals!

  • AnoNemo

    It is still astonishing to see that Nikon has 90% of its dslr production in this factory. I mean they really put all their eggs in one basket.

  • Saywhat

    Hot off the press at “NEWS RUMORS.COM”…..Canon just submitted a buyout offer to Nikon!

  • I saw that earlier in the morning and I was like .. 🙁

  • Yep that looks bad and Nikon putting too much reliance in production of their Camera equipment in one plant. Looks like it will take them min 6 months to recover and to move split production away from Thailand to include Japan and to open some smaller plants in the far east (China, Mayasia (can’t spell) and may be in the West 2 – Usa, Europe and also look at trying to protect this plant (if possible) to minimize the affect that this flood did. Hopefully the Thai Government can put in further flood defences to protect these factories more.

    • broxibear

      Hi david thomas,
      Lets not beat around the bush, the reason Nikon have factories in Thailand, Malaysia and China is cheap labour…they can’t move production to countries in Europe or to the U.S. without significant price increases for products.
      People have got too used to cheap products.

  • This has pretty nasty long-term implications.
    Buyer: Hi, I’d like the Nikon Dxxxx please.
    Retailer: Sorry, none in stock. Can I interest you in a Canon Txi?
    Buyer: Gee, I really want the Nikon. When will you get more?
    Retailer: No one knows. They have to rebuild the factory.
    Buyer: Well, I guess I’ll go with Canon then.

    Now that buyer is into the Canon system and is probably lost to Nikon for life. Not just lost sales, but lost market share. Ouch.

  • Well know Nikon get sensors from Sony, and Sony DSLR factory too is destroyed .Wonder this is only going to get ugly now 🙁

  • Greg Lamb

    Are all Nikon lovers conservative anti-government morons? I am not actually surprised now that I think about the snobbery associated with D3 and 70-200 F2.8 hubris. I hope they go up in price now!

  • Shaun

    Will D7000 production be affected as well? Does anyone know if they’re produced in Thailand?

    I’m debating on whether or not I should get one now…

    • george

      Yes, the D7000 is made in this factory in Thailand.

    • broxibear

      Yes, yes and yes get one now.

      • PoBoy

        It’s a great camera!

    • enesunkie

      By time they get production going again at this plant, Nikon might scrap plans for making more D3100’s, D5100’s and D7000’s and just start making D3200’s, D5200’s and D7100’s.

      • Richard

        Very true. They might just as well work on the next product cycle.

  • nobody

    Man, I’m glad there’s no Nikon factory close to where I live 🙁

    • Discontinued


    • funny

      😀 😀 😀

  • Tired of waiting floods, earthquakes, tsunamis..Switching to the Moon!!!

  • broxibear

    One things for sure you can forget about any D400 in the next 6 months.
    Most, if not all, their coolpix cameras are made at this factory, shortages of these cameras are going hit Nikon really hard in markets like India.
    Yes this is a photographic blog and we’re discussing equipment, but spare a thought for the people involved…
    “I’m scared the children will drown because the water is very deep,” said Chamnong Promdaeng, as she watched her three grandchildren play with stuffed animals on a wooden platform that sat above about two feet of water. “I can’t leave my house because thieves will steal everything.”
    Further down the street, Urai Riengkua echoed those concerns. The 43-year-old cradled her 14-month-old grandson while standing barefoot beside a house made of scrap metal and wood, which was only accessible by walking over the water on a wooden plank propped up by sandbags taken from the levy.
    “I’ve never seen water this high,” Urai said. “I want to move but I don’t know where to go. If the water surges, I will take my grandchild and run as fast as I can.””

  • I am wondering if Nikon manage to save much of the production line, dependant on how much time they had to get ready for the floods. It might well be more practical to just set up shop in a new location. Unfortunately this would still time some time to set up and get working properly.

    • Richard

      They need to do just that and diversify production at the same time.

  • Mirin Brah

    Psych major here.

    Nikon will obviously be hurting due to the closure of their factory. It seems Canon announced their $6800 pro SLR to rub salt into their wounds OR maybe they were aware of Nikon’s problems and gave them sometime to get back on their feet before the March launch.

    Anyway let’s be ceral, I emailed my Nikon engineer friend out in France.

    He said, the thai plant is mainly an assembly and testing point with little actual manufacturing going on.

    A lot of the raw materials such as sensors, electronics etc. were salvaged and moved out before the flood waters rose.

    Nikon just needs to source an assembly plant *cough* hundreds in China. Buy some of the new equipment (usually 12 week lead time) and train the staff.

    For all we know they could ship all these parts to somewhere else and restart assembly in two weeks.

    He said he honestly doesn’t know what’s the next plan, but the Nikon management is not panicing which obviously means they have contingency plans.

    • I hope you are right. If all Nikon does there is put things together, creating a new assembly line will be a lot faster.

    • Richard


      Thanks for posting. That is the first I have heard about Nikon evacuating parts before the flood.

      If you or your friend have further information you may want to pass it on to admin as as source of information to protect your friend’s identity just in case someone at the company does not like unofficial releases of information.


    • paf

      indeed I wouldn’t be surprised if Nikon dealt with it — every (major) company has disaster recovery plans in place and I am sure there was one on hand for Nikon as well.

      All will be good again for Nikon – the tragedy is in the lost jobs for families who depended on the plants in Thailand — it’s not likely that they had solid disaster recovery plans like corporations do. 🙁

  • NyconNeoColonialist


    Thank you.

  • Richard

    There are several things involved here.

    One is the need of the manufacturer to diversify production not only so that a single calamit does not shut you down as has happened here, but to produce product locally so as to provide relative stability to production for sale in that market from currency fluctuation issues which have been a major concern for Japanese companies and to change the transportation factor in the equation.
    It has been demonstrated that American workers can produce automobiles that are high in quality and competitively.

    There are still enough states willing to welcome a manufacturer “with open arms” that it is not a matter of whether a suitable location can be found, but is instead a matter of which location will ultimately be chosen from among multiple contenders.

    For example, there are state-of-the-art centrifugal casting facilities in Arizona (and probably elsewhere by now) where cast metal frames could be mass produced and NCM machining facilities in a number of locales and so on.

    With so many of their facilities being devastated Nikon should be examining their options anew as it appears that their existing facilities may be “down for the count”.

    It is not beyond he realm of possibilities that Nikon will have relatively little of their consumer lineup available for sale for quite some time to come.

    With Canon’s announcement of the 1D X one has to wonder if Nikon babe been testing multiple prototypes wit a variety of hardware and software trying to see which would develop into a saleable product which meets the challenge of the competition.

    What I find interesting about Canon’s specifications is that they have very substantially raised the bar in terms of data processing to achieve the frame rates quoted and they appear to have focused more on the quality of pixels rather than the shear number, apparently with the intent of improving the high ISO performance of the new sensor.

    The price is breath takingly higher than the 1 D MK III/IV although in the range if the 1Ds MK III. On has to wonder about the effect upon wildlife and sports photogs who have become accustomed to the extra reach of the 1.3 croP factor.

    Evidently Canon have not made any huge advances in FX sensor production costs. Too bad. $7,000 is a rather limiting price.

    Now we get
    To wait while Nikon re-evaluates both it’s products and their relative priorities of production. My guess is that Nikon will reorder things wit a view to getting the pro users equipped for the Olympics.

    • Sahaja

      If they want somewhere safe – they should build a plant on the Canadian Shield which is just about the most geologically stable place on earth, and not subject to floods, cyclones, tornadoes, tsunami, etc. Plenty of reliable hydropower available as well Labor might be a problem – but they could make a fully automated plant with robots.

  • Jacob

    Move factories to South Africa. We have no natural disasters. Except our president. And his kids. And other government officials. And their followers. And unions. And our uselessly managed power utility. Damn! Why can’t we have some natural disasters?

    • Tonny

      So is the same as in Thailand. Our prime minister is a real threat to Thai people as she is only the puppet of Thankin the tyrant. What a same sad story.

      • Sahaja

        Yes – imo she is going to be another disaster for Thailand – and now she will be able to claim that, due to the floods, the government will not be able to give away all the goodies she promised in order to get votes.

  • Jabs

    Did anyone of you notice in the report at the referenced web site that:

    Quote –
    Sony Corp. manufactures all of its digital SLR cameras in the industrial area of Ayutthaya.

    Maybe even worse for them than Nikon.

    Ouch this really is bad.

    The suffering people there and now people worldwide are also affected, though in a different way for sure.

    A global mess of a year for human suffering worldwide and now Technology too.

    MAYBE, our priorities and thrusts are askew as we try and rule the world plus lose our souls and selves in the process!

    Nothing more to say, as sad indeed.

    May God help us!

    • It’s worse than that. I hope you don’t need a disk drive in the near future, either. The number of companies that in the seven submerged parks currently totals 610. Many of them are companies you know.

      Indeed, this is terrible for the Thai people and it’s nowhere near over yet. As I note on my site, the submerged land equals the size of the state of Connecticut at the moment. The Thai people have my sympathy and support, but until things begin to clear up and better information gets out about what is needed, it’s nearly impossible to do anything to help them other than perhaps donate money to a first-responder organization.

      • Jabs

        @Thom Hogan

        Sorry for the late reply, but distracted by other things.

        Yes, indeed lots of destruction in so many Technical areas and from well known and ‘important’ plus well connected global Companies too.

        I did not know that the area was approximately the size of Connecticut and thus thanks for that perspective.

        I had read about the hard drive manufacturers there and now their plight, but I wonder where everyone will go in the interim? Do you think that they will probably move to another part of Thailand or will they move to say China/Shanghai?

        Humans have taken a real ‘beating’ in massive and costly natural disasters this year and perhaps this is a real wake up call for us about our current directions and thrusts, but not being much into politics, I prefer to be quiet on the issues though I understand and have opinions on them. Everything is so amazingly sad and disruptive as I believe that AMD, Intel and maybe ARM manufactures or design chips there also, so a weird ending to this year, as things taken for granted will probably be non-existent or too expensive to now buy.

        E-Bay, Craigslist and such places will probably be the go to places now for gear marked up beyond reason to sell to willing ‘suckers’ or people desperate for their ‘gear fix’ plus those who really need replacement gear.

        I have never seen as broad a swath of Companies and Industries affected by one disaster and I wonder if this is bigger than the destruction in Japan or merely affects more Companies and Industries?

        Calculated risks gone awry with now a domino effect over much of the Earth – wow – really sad situation for humans and economies world wide. The situation seems to be evolving and thus maybe helicopter flyovers or even Google Earth and such are the tools of evaluation until the real impact is determined when people can actually enter these submerged Factories and see the damage firsthand. The human factors and consequences might take years to even salvage and rebuild, but perhaps changed forever as land does not come back to where it was washed away from, so don’t know what will now happen.

  • One More Thought

    Let me dispel all of these negative myths about American workers.
    American workers can and do compete against any in the world.
    In total value terms, America still manufactures almost as much as China. We just do it with far fewer people, which is why we need more start-ups.

    Unions have done a great service elevating living standards for all and creating the middle class. Funny how when unions were strong, in the postwar era, America enjoyed its greatest economic growth. Keep in mind that even if you don’t work for a union, your standard of living has been elevated as well, since all industries have had to keep up.

    For those who bash unions and labor costs so much…I wonder how many would volunteer to work in China and the like, with far fewer worker protections, benefits, lower pay, etc…

    Also, keep in mind that even in China,with a growing middle class…they are starting to demand more…it’s only human nature and it’s rather hypocritical for those of us who have it so well to try to deny that to others. Also, keep in mind that it takes a healthy middle class to fuel sustainable economic growth.

    • PoBoy

      Thank you.

    • Rob

      You can’t say we need unions because IN THE PAST they helped us. Whether or not we abolish them or not, the way they’ve changed laws in the country will remain. There’s no logical reason to believe it’s even POSSIBLE for labor laws to change to be comparable to China, with or without unions. You have no argument.

    • Anonymous

      Why do so many Chinese (or for that matter a lot of citizens from different countries in the world) still want to immigrate to the United States? The answer lies in the basic tenet of freedom that the USA offers. Please remember, ironically freedom is not free though, in fact it is expensive!

    • Sahaja

      Yes year ago when they could have the US and Europe should have insisted that if foreign manufacturers wanted to export their goods into the US without being penalized, those manufacturing countries must allow free trade unions and the companies should offer a decent salary and conditions comparable to those in the west to their workers. In the long run, that would have been beneficial to workers everywhere.

      Unfortunately the WTO rules we’ve got now would prevent something like this.

    • Jabs

      @One More Thought.

      I hate political discussions as they are too divisive and draw too much emotions that usually end up in needless or excessive violence.

      I support the Unions and often am a Union worker as I travel to different areas of the country to do my work.

      The problem is DIRECTION as in trying to rule the world and thus we have this economic mess from gambling on that and losing.

      Nothing complex, but a simple focus on things that did not and almost NEVER pays off.

      People forgot that we are a multi-connected world where we can now peek into and read about each other almost instantly and thus dreams of neo-colonialism have cost more than the gamblers thought, so we are all broke from that mess.

      The problem usually goes like this – I spend all of my time and resources trying to arrange YOUR life or your affairs for you to fall into my trap. The effect is – I plot your takeover and then when the results seem almost certain, then here comes the surprise on YOU.

      I sent MY money to take you over and lost, because either there was nothing to take over or what you wished to take over was now worthless.

      YOU spent your future earnings on a promise of you being in charge and then went bankrupt, because you never heeded the old maxim:

      There was this wolf or dog, who went to drink in a lake or river. The dog looks down and unknown to it, sees its’ own shadow with a bone in its’ mouth and thinks that this now is another wolf or dog with another bone for it to now get.

      The ‘brilliant’ wolf or dog now opens its’ mouth and tries to take the bone from its’ own shadow and thus looses both – the real plus the imaginary bone too.

      Boneless and now clueless because of their GREED.

      That’s the abundant problem now – dumb wolves and dogs trying to be the sole or ‘top dog’ worldwide plus now going bankrupt for the effort.

      You focus on others while YOUR own abode burns to the ground = the punishment on gamblers or greedy people so fixated on external forces or areas that they forget to look at themselves and their OWN domain!

      End of conversation and will they learn – probably NEVER!

      • Jabs

        Sorry –
        Instead of this:

        “I sent MY money” …

        I meant – I sPent MY money …

        Please forgive me.

  • Orestor

    I wonder how Canon found the way to manipulate the weather.

  • Marcelo

    Nikon does not have a factory, I do not have a 36 megapixel camera yet…
    Come on Nikon…for GOD! Realease that thing man…Just put it out, we need it…
    D800 now or never!

  • Andrew

    I feel sorry for Nikon, Sony, and all the workers in Thailand who are going to lose their jobs. Let us pray for them.

    • Steve

      Only one person has pointed out the most serious problem – rice. Thailand is one of the major world suppliers and rice is the staple of billions of people on this planet. Cameras and hdds for consumers aren’t anywhere near as important as food for the family. This is really very serious.

  • One More Thought

    Here’s the facts on unions: sure, they aren’t perfect, but neither are corporations, and that’s the point: we need checks and balances. At one point perhaps the balance was too much against the corporations, but now the pendulum has swung too far the other way and things are too much stacked in favor of the very wealthy at the expense of the middle class.

    It’s no coincidence that we see growing income disparity and stagnation of middle class wages coincide with the decline of the unions.

    Thanks to unions we have a 40 hour workweek, employee benefits, workplace safety standards, end to child labor, etc… Unions raise the standard of living for all, including those not in unions.

    Unions are good for the economy:
    During the period 1945-1973, when a high percentage of workers had unions, wages kept pace with rising productivity, prosperity was widely shared, and economic growth was strong. Since 1973, union density and collective bargaining have declined, causing real wages to stagnate despite rising productivity. This decline in union density and bargaining contributed to the current financial crisis and severe recession, as unsustainable asset appreciation and easy credit too the place of wage increases most workers were not getting.

    And for those who think this cannot be reversed…well, you always have to fight for your rights…I am sure many never dreamed that the top few percent would accrue virtually all of the economy rewards since 1980…

    • Sahaja

      The German economy doesn’t seem to be doing badly with strong unions either – and there union representatives participate in company management.

  • Moth Flopwell

    When I was reading Nikon’s Website…this is what they said….at the last part of their own statement release…

    Core business.
    Wireless camera manufacturer’s software, and other lenses.

    And I have heard through others..that Nikon D800 IS NOT manufactured In Thailand. NR you need to press hard on your Rumor people….Mine are telling me different…about where the D4 and D800 are coming from…

  • Hmm what I am guessing is that Nikon might have an announcement but delay the shipment of the products, just like what Canon is doing now 🙁

  • Moth Flopwell

    This is the whole Statement from Nikon on Oct. 6th…..About the Thailand Operations…

    Nikon Corporation (Thailand) Co., Ltd. The factory is the impact of flooding.

    11. October 2554.

    Nikon Corporation (Thailand) Co., Ltd. under the Corporation’s Nikon Corporation. Japan The impact of the flood Rojana Industrial Park. Ayutthaya. The water flooded the area of ​​the factory which is located within the industrial estate.

    Nikon’s situation. (. Thailand .) Limited.

    1. the damage.
    The layer 1. of the building was flooded. The details of such damages. Are in the process of validation. The impact on employees, the company has not received notice of a serious loss of life threatening in any way, however, the company suspended operations temporarily. Effective date. . 6 October onwards.

    2. to assess the impact on business operations.
    The company is currently in the process of evaluation and monitoring of the impact is going to happen to the Group and business performance of the Nikon. If there is any progress, we will notify you immediately.

    3. the restoration.
    The company is currently in the process to check for damage and do not know the exact duration of the operation again. The headquarters of the company, Nikon Corporation, Japan. It provides full support in every way to release in the company. Can be implemented as quickly as possible.

    A reference.

  • Tarepanda

    So……I think the problem is…….what exactly is a low- to mid-range single-lens reflex cameras?

    D7000 is a mid-range SLR?
    D700 is a mid-range SLR?

    • NoFunBen

      d700 was made in japan

    • broxibear

      Hi Tarepanda,
      The D3100, D5100, D7000, D300s bodies are all made in this Thai factory.
      D700 and D3 range were all made in Sendai, Japan…I say “were” because I’m not sure if Sendai production has now switched to D800 and D4 bodies.
      The 85mm f/1.8D made since 2010 also come from this Thailand factory, before that they were made in Japan.
      There are various DX lenses made there too.

  • Mock Kenwell

    Holy crap. Is this OCCUPY NR?

  • r

    I am seeing first hand reports from Thais that are horrific. Over 300 dead. Infestations of crocodiles and snakes threatening survivors. Government response is said to be ineffective and confused. Fear of many more dead from waterborne disease is widespread.

  • Chris P

    There is a lot being said, very little of which is about Nikon. I too have political and economic views, but this is not the place to discuss them. If you have any comments about Nikon’s cameras, lenses or manufacturing situation please post them; however if you wish to conduct a political and/or economic discussion, please find an appropriate site and leave this one to those of us who wish to discuss the subject for which this site was created.

    • JaPater

      +1000 well said Chris

  • I heard yesterday that we will not get any D3100, D5100, 18-200VR, 18-55VR and limited D7100 to our shop in Holland till at least february. Our Nikon representative told us that… 🙁

    • enesunkie

      I’m sure you meant limited D7000’s. A D7100, if it even existed would be VERY limited. 🙂

  • Guys
    here we have at least THREE different problems, that’s why we can’t figure a solution.
    #1 and most important: Thailand is under water and many people are at risk of life and (secondarily) many other far people working abroad for the same companies are somehow damaged by the Thai floods. We’re just the 3rd step here so pls don’t complain too much, thank God we have safe and warm houses.

    #2 America or Europe is the same. Wherever education/schooling is spread a self conscience is alive and people can think in terms of “rights” and try to move and work for them by means of culture, class actions, etc. This also means the higher the culture a man has, the highest the expectation for work. Despite a few pure souls would suit and look for whatever work, the truth is that a graduated guy, after many years of study, won’t look to “waste” them in “manual” works, not because it’s a “bad” work, rather simply because he would have studied for nothing. This is clear and logic. This also means that – reasonably – such a guy comes from a somehow wealthy family (wealthy enough to support his studies) and is used to a certain lifestyle. On the other hand, many people coming from Countries where their basic rights are treatened because of their beliefs or social belonging, have lesser expectations, call it the “thank God I’m home and another day is gone without serious problems”.
    Europe or America doesn’t matter, since most of the most accultured people live there, so the background is the same. Asia, South America and above all Africa are a completely different story.

    Here’s where #3 starts. YES, greedy CEOs exists and we ALL are slave of their damned numbers and weird expectations. This is NOT a fair market. This is just a place where few people want to become richer and richer against all the others and they use the word “competitor” not to make workers united. Nikon, Canon, Honda, whatever company in Japan or in the world, the bigger the more evident, works NOT to sell its products RATHER to be FIRST ANYWAY, no matter if people don’t need this or that. Consequently, every man having some powers, tries to exploit at his own profit, not his workers. This is true for bankers, oilmen, politics, lawyers and other wealthy cathegories like this. The richest and the most accultured, the worst instead of the best.
    We all feel on our skin the pressure and the slavery to do always more and more “otherwise…” …you will be punished, degraded, fired. Not enough? How many times you have tried on your own skin how much COMPANIES (when not Governments, alas) try to “trick” you by means of clearly unfair actions? I’m not only talking about mobbing here. Let me show you a real example.
    I have to change a company car, well kept, with only a few little scratches on the front due to little stones which hit my car on the highway. Nothing serious, but the leasing COMPANY unilaterally decides that I have to repair them (and to do that I should declare it’s a vandalic act, which is not true) otherwise I’ll pay them entirely. How many times company quibbles conditionated your life? This is just because they have the best lawyers while you are none and can’t just defend against these things. It’s not “socialist” asking that ALL people contribute to a nation, it’s just RIGHT. We’re fed up that banks and the several S&P, Moodys and other few people decide who live and who dies. We’re fed up about the stock market trades always conditioning us all. We have to restart everything from scratch. This just DOESN’T work. Rich people won’t agree but they have to admit they fear the system change because they KNOW they are going to lose any privilege they have.
    Actually where I live there’s a shameful politic situation, I can’t even imagine how many people may have supported for year such a premier (me, never) just because defended THEIR (rich people, tradesmen etc) interests. They traded a vote for their dignity to act for the worse and illegality. Plus, recent facts have showed how despicable such person is also in private life. Yet, some shameless people still defend him.

    Coming back to original topic, let’s pray Thai people may recover soon, because they suffer much more than us and they (or other Countries like this) can’t even protest for that. But PLEASE, don’t tell greedy CEO’s are a joke. They DO exist. Do you know about 500 people on Earth own the 80% of its richness? Is it right?
    Is it right a worker – after 40 yrs of work – must see his retirement payment to 70-80% of the little amount he earned before and a parlamentarian after only a few years in charge is automatically righted of a MULTI thousand euro/dollars pension?
    Is it right that a CEO who has ALWAYS had the opportunity to save and invest money for his future must have a multi ten-thousand or multi-hundred thousand bonus and yearly pension and lots of older people can’t get by for only one month, having to ask for a loan (again) to banks? No, that’s NOT right.

  • Cuius

    The table implies that Honda Thailand has “no prospect of recovery”, yet Honda released the following statement : “Oct 18 (Reuters) – Japan’s Honda Motor Co said on Tuesday it expected to resume operations at its flood-hit plant at Thailand’s Rojana industrial estate a month after flood-waters are drained from the complex, which was forced to shut on Oct. 6.”, i.e., not a complete write-off as implied.

    Think there’s a lot of press speculation in play, and NR should be careful.

  • David

    CEO’s = CEO’s fat ass
    CEOs = more than one CEO

    That’s the problem with America.

    • Jason

      Actually, that’s not a hardline rule. Traditionally, CEO is not an acronym, as acronyms originally had to be words unto themselves. CEO is more of an initialism, and there are still those who insist that the pluralization of an initialism must include the apostrophe, just as the pluralization of a single letter should include the apostrophe. Therefore: A’s and CEO’s vs lasers and radars. The apostrophe is used to segment the “s” away from the other letters that are individual letters instead of part of a word, thereby informing the reader that the “s” is not to be viewed as another one of those individual letter.

  • broxibear

    Hey Peter/admin,
    What are your thoughts about Wed 26th…are you 60% sure it’s going to be a D800 announcement or are you still not that convinced ?
    I haven’t heard anything further about it.

    • I have no reliable info that there will be a press announcement next week, just a lot of tips from source without any previous track record.

  • Owners of the many destroyed factories have met with the PM in Bangkok. The general result is they have threatened to move their business out of the country in mass is the government does not come up with an acceptable response to the flooding, which so far they have not.

    • Sahaja

      “…threatened to move their business out of the country in mass is the government does not come up with an acceptable response to the flooding”

      Acceptable response ?– the Thai government should surely, first and foremost, be looking to the immediate needs of the people – not to the needs of foreign companies. Are these companies looking for a handout or something because they had insufficient insurance cover?

      There are many parts of Thailand on higher ground that would not get these kinds of floods. Too bad they didn’t build there in the first place.

  • Joe

    Oddly enough…

    All the people complaining about CEO’s and greedy corporations here probably own a Nikon camera or would like to – otherwise, why would the be here at “

    Also odd is that perhaps these same people fail to realize that Nikon is a corporation…
    I wonder if Nikon’s Board of Directors pay is even close to the pay that their (flooded) workers in Thailand make? I wonder how uncomfortable it is for the corporate employees in the Shin-Yurakucho Bldg ? Maybe they should all take pay cuts because they are making too much money?

    So while you are fondling your expensive Nikon camera and at the same time complaining that the problem in the US is that CEO’s and corporations make too much money don’t forget that you support that behavior (in another country) by purchasing what the average worker in Thailand would consider an expensive luxury…

    One other odd thing to note is that Nikon is part of Mitsubishi… Have you ever heard of that corporation? Again, remember that while you are whining like an ignoramus about “Fat CEO’s” here in the USofA that buy purchasing an expensive item that the average worker in Thailand couldn’t dream of affording you are also supporting the Nikon corporation AND the Mitsubishi corporation which happens to be Japan’s largest general trading company with over 200 bases of operations in approximately 80 countries worldwide that has has seven business segments including finance, banking, energy, machinery, chemicals, food and more.

    People complaining about “Fat and lazy CEO’s” that own a Nikon camera (and lenses, batteries, grips, accessories, etc) have no idea how blatantly stupid and hypocritical they sound.

    Occupy this.

    • You’ve presented the problem. Now, please propose a practical solution. What do you propose I do as a Nikon user? And by the way, I am not rich, I had to save and scrape for AGES to afford the USED camera and lenses I currently have.

      The unfortunate truth and hypocrisy of you calling us hypocrites when you have never met or talked with us person to person, is that you use and own products in your everyday life that ultimately can be traced back to a heartless corporation whose sole purpose to exist is to return a profit for their shareholders.

      • Brian

        and I suppose you wrote your reply to Joe by using a carrier pigeon to deliver it, rather than craft your words on a computer, cellphone, PDA, or whatever device it is that you possess purchased from one of theose Evil Corporations? Sounds like the accuser is no better than the accused

        • My point exactly. To be somewhat light-hearted, to paraphrase comedian Joe Rogan: who here could manufacture on their own any of the modern electronic conveniences we use? I know I can’t, therefore I pay “evil” corporations to make that stuff for me.

          • Keith Andrews

            Love Joe Rogan

    • Anonymous

      Another piece of gobbly gook by a sheeple right winger.

      • If you are referring to me, I’m actually centrist/moderate with some Libertarian leanings, and am far from right-wing.

        If you are referring to Joe, he is decidedly on the left side of the camp, not right-wing.

        • nah

          being centrist but having libertarian leanings is like saying you are a straight man who just loves the taste of male genitalia. libertarianism aka fascism is the most extreme form of right wing ‘government’

          • From an political science perspective – not political ideology – libertarianism and fascist are on the opposite sides of the scale. If you go to Polictial Compass you’ll see that. Take the test, I did. I fall here:

            Economic Left/Right: -3.12 (favors the left)
            Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.62 (favors libertarianism)

            There are other political graphs that indicate the same thing. If anything, extreme (I emphasize the word extreme) libertarianism is basically anarchism.

            Perhaps my use of the word centrist was incorrect from an objective political science perspective, I’ll give you that. But the declaration that libertarianism equates to fascism is patently false.

        • Joe

          Hello again guys and girls…

          Must have struck a nerve… Nothing like living rent free, even if only for a minute or two.

          (and yes, I’m typing this on a PC with parts from ASUS, AMD and Western Digital to name a few… all heartless corporations. And I used (fiat) money to purchase said items with a value based upon what the Federal Reserve said it was worth – all of it conjured up out of thin air based upon nothing while wearing clothes sold by other corporations while receiving a txt on my cellphone made by Motorola and serviced by Verizon…etc)

          “Occupy Wall Street is a people-powered movement that began on September 17, 2011 in Liberty Square in Manhattan’s Financial District, and has spread to over 100 cities in the United States and actions in over 1,500 cities globally. #OWS is fighting back against the corrosive power major banks and unaccountable **multinational corporations** wield against democracy, and the role of Wall Street in creating the economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in nearly a century. The movement is inspired by popular uprisings in Egypt and around the world, and aims to expose how the richest 1% of people are writing the rules of a dangerous neoliberal economic agenda that is stealing our future.”


          No, I don’t have a solution however I do know that I (and perhaps other US based readers here) are more than likely 10 times richer (or more) than the average worker in the flooded Thai Nikon plant.

          If you were to ask me: what would fix it? Being generous to your fellow man… Unfortunately, I suspect that not everyone is capable of that. Perhaps the reason for that could be answered with a riddle: Why is it perfectly legal for members of congress to take part in insider trading while it is illegal for you and I to do the same?

          Seems almost worse than being a fat lazy CEO…

          • I think most of us can all agree that the system is broken. I briefly took some shots of the Occupy Wall Street rally here in San Diego. If you like you can view them here. It’s open to comments of all persuasions and opinions.

            Hopefully Nikon will recover. But not just so they can give us new cameras, but so that the Thai people employed there get back to earning a paycheck so they’re families can start recovering, too.

    • D700guy

      I suppose we’re going to have to listen to this type of belly aching over human rights now until the next Nikon natural disaster takes center stage?
      This is a Nikon equipment rumors site. We come her because we, as consumers are interested in what’s next. If we wanted to go to a belly aching site for flood victims we’d visit the Red Cross website.

      • enesunkie

        +100 Can we get back to complaining when Nikon is going to come out with a D400 or D800!

    • nah

      last time i checked nikon was not a banking entity profiting off of buying and selling debt while producing nothing. nikon produces cameras. the occupy wall street protests are not against legitimate businesses; even really, really big ones. they are against the wall street gordon gekkos who caused this recession.

    • Vandyu

      Well, I learned something new today–that Nikon was part of Mitsubishi. So, I did a bit of research. Per Wikipedia (if you trust the source), “As of 2007, Mitsubishi Corporation, a member of the Mitsubishi Group, is Japan’s largest general trading company (sogo shosha) with over 200 bases of operations in approximately 80 countries worldwide. Together with its over 500 group companies, Mitsubishi employs a multinational workforce of approximately 54,000 people. Mitsubishi has long been engaged in business with customers around the world in many industries, including energy, metals, machinery, chemicals, food and general merchandise. Mitsubishi Motors reached 1.3 million cars of total production in 2007.”

      “Mitsubishi Motors “has seven vehicle manufacturing facilities in five countries, Japan, Netherlands, Philippines, Thailand, United States, Brazil, and twelve plants co-owned in partnership with others. It also has three further engine and transmission manufacturing plants, five R&D centres and 75 subsidiaries, affiliates and partners. Its vehicles are manufactured, assembled or sold in more than 160 countries worldwide.”

      In the U.S., the website lists “Mitsubishi Motors R&D of America, Inc. (MRDA) head office, Ann Arbor, Michigan, United States; Mitsubishi Motors R&D of America, Inc. (MRDA) Research & Design Center, Cypress, California, United States, and Mitsubishi Motors North America, Inc. (MMNA), Normal, Illinois, United States.”

      So, I again would suggest that Nikon, also a member of the Mitsubishi Kinyokai (or Friday Club), consider locating a manufacturing plant in the United States. There are plenty of workers willing to be trained in the specifics of camera manufacturing in exchange for a paycheck from an esteemed company that sells millions of dollars of photographic equipment in the U.S. and worldwide.

      But, should this be considered, I recommend that Nikon fully explore the weather conditions in the cities of interest, as we also have floods, earthquakes, tornadoes, and hurricanes.

      • PeterO

        May I strongly suggest that Nikon relocate all of its factories anywhere in the province of Saskatchewan here in Canada. Although I don’t live there, it seems that they have become a very “business friendly” place. Don’t worry about the cold weather as we have now learned how to insulate our igloos. Besides, we think it’s fun to pronounce “Saskatchewan”. I can see it now: Nikon – Made in Saskatchewan.

        • Vandyu

          While I have the greatest respect and admiration for our neighbor to the north, I think Nikon should locate in Maine, specifically in MOOSELOOKMEGUNTIC. Now wouldn’t that make a great “Made in” sticker?

          But, if Saskatchewan is chosen instead, I’ve already been reading up the province and how to get to the future Nikon factory store.

          • Jim

            Make Nebraska – center of the USA, reasonable climate, reasonable economics, hard working people, etc.

            • Vandyu

              Yeah, but OU has a better Big Red football team 🙂

      • Tom

        I think southern part of India is the best option. It has best infrastructure & port facilities. I been there for couple of time and amazed with the facilities they got. Wonderful climate too…

    • Gary

      “Light the blue touchpaper …”

    • George

      It isn’t that people are against corporations making a profit, but rather that corporations have consistently failed to include employees in the corporations’ success. While executives claim the economy is too bad for cost-of-living adjustments or pay-for-performance raises, those same CEOs are taking MILLIONS in bonuses. CEOs (like Boeing) make huge sums, yet complain over employee pay BECAUSE IT REDUCES THEIR OWN BONUSES. Boeing CEO makes 20 MILLION per year…. that’s more than the ENTIRE PAYROLL at the Seattle plant…. you know, the one the CEO claims is costing the corporation too much in worker pay. Makes you wonder…..

      Further, the demand to provide stock performance often drives corporations to often ignore what is in the corporation’s best interest for what will make the shareholders happy in the short run. There is far less reinvestment today than there was in the 50’s-60’s-70’s. Minimizimg cost by p[roducing offshore means fewer people in the marketplace with the money to buy products. Corporations cut their own throats, and they are now cannabalizing themselves to keep stockholders happy.

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