Polls – NR feedback, please vote

My post about the Thom Hogan's "special surprise book" caused some controversy (you can read all the comments if you have the time). Everything boils down to the same old question:  should I post any Nikon rumor (basically what I have been doing so far) or should I write only about info from verified, trusted sources? I just went through another one of those "I should have posted that" - Sony just released 3 new DSLR... with SD/SDHC media support. I had this info few weeks ago, did not believe it and did not post it. Now it is a fact. Now you know why I post every Nikon rumor I find.

Here is the first polls:

and another, more general poll about the future of NR:






Please vote responsibly, I will change my way of posting based on those polls. Feel free to leave any feedback in the comments section. Thanks!

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  1. Rick
    Posted May 16, 2009 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    I was surprised that you even felt the need to have the polls. This is a rumor site after all and rumors come in many forms (as do readers of rumor sites I suppose). I think you’re doing well as is. It’s all fun after all….

    • Posted May 16, 2009 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

      Well, sometimes I have to make my point and check the pulse of our audience, just to make sure I am on the right track.

      • heartyfisher
        Posted May 17, 2009 at 4:08 am | Permalink

        That is a VERY GOOD THING! …

  2. ddovala
    Posted May 16, 2009 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    You’re doing a great job! Don’t change a thing 😀

  3. Remington
    Posted May 16, 2009 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    Agree with both above comments. Post all rumours (I am Canadian we spell things funny up here) and let everyone on the site debate, deny, confirm, scream, complain, validate, laugh, cry… I think you get the picture.

    It is nice to dream about what could be… keep the rumours (Canadian remember?) coming!

    • Posted May 16, 2009 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

      Correct – this site is to trigger discussions, not to be blindly followed.

  4. seadriver
    Posted May 16, 2009 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    Yes, I say the more worthless posts the better! I’m starting up a competing rumor site, so keep up the bad work!!!

  5. mower
    Posted May 16, 2009 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    “Was my Thom Hogan working on a “special surprise book” post inappropriate?”

    Who’s going to claim the post was inappropriate???

    There’s a big difference between something that is worthless and inappropriate.

    • Posted May 16, 2009 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

      Read the comments of the post – I should not have called his “special surprise book” book a “publicity stunt” and I should have checked with him first (which I agree with) – this makes the post inappropriate.

      • Posted May 16, 2009 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

        No. I agree with the previous poster. I’ll repeat what I posted in the other thread: you need to decide what it is that your site is known for. And I’d have to say that asking the people who are already here is not the way to make that decision. Implicit in your survey is that if everyone here likes it that you’ll continue to do it and attract more of the same. That’s not necessarily true, nor is that quite the right approach to surveying. Don’t get me wrong, it’s valid to get people’s opinions about what you’re doing right and wrong, but without going into a deep explanation about targeting and statistics, your current approach isn’t going to yield you valuable information that you can act on.

        Take it from someone who’s run media organizations for more than 30 years: YOU have to make the decision about what it is your site is. It’s sort of the “build it and they will come” thing. But you have to be careful about what you build. Because who comes is based upon your decisions.

        The reason why a site like MacRumors works so well is that doesn’t act as an aggregator, it acts as distiller. For the most part it weeds out totally random rumors and tries to identify ones that have a likelihood of having useful information. Time is precious. It’s easy to generate lots of content, and the current fad of the day is to generate massive amounts (witness the tweeting phenomenon, doing it a few characters at a time ;~). But what usually happens with high capacity channels that don’t filter well is that they get abandoned when a good and useful filter does come along.

        So I’ll put it in personal terms. Your present not useful to potentially useful content ratio is very high, and means that I don’t stop by here very often. Since you’re an advertising driven site, you need to think about this a bit. Is it possible that the high value customer who might actually use your affiliate links, donate, and read the ads is one who wants more posts that they have to weed through to find useful ones, or less?

        There will some who read what I’ve written here as harsh criticism. It isn’t. It’s a suggestion that you may not have created an optimal site yet, and that you need to carefully think through what it is you’re really trying to create and who that customer of yours really is.

        • Posted May 16, 2009 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

          and here is my answer – also from the other post:

          Actually Thom, I am all of the above – sometimes I aggregate Nikon news, sometimes I start rumors based on the info I get and when I feel like it, I just do commentary. I have already admitted my mistake that I should have asked you first before posting this (like I have admitted other mistakes in the past) and I also gave an explanation why I did not do so. The reason why I am still not done with this is because I want to check with my audience if everything is OK and whether I have to make changes to my posting habits. So far, according to the poll, it seems that everything is OK. Thanks for your reply.

          • heartyfisher
            Posted May 17, 2009 at 4:16 am | Permalink

            I Like your site and I support what you are doing.. but take another look at Thom’s posting.. he has many valid points… You sound like you are looking for validation rather than looking for constructive criticism.. Look at it as constructive criticism.. there are many gems in his posting…

            • Posted May 17, 2009 at 10:52 am | Permalink

              I am always open to constructive criticism, thanks

        • Willis
          Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:45 am | Permalink

          Hey Thom…let me make this easy for you. If it isn’t useful enough, don’t read it. I like most of the posts on this page.

  6. Alex
    Posted May 16, 2009 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    Maybe you should make the site a little more dynamic. I voted to keep the site the same, but now that I think of it, maybe you could please both crowds. Have two links or something of that sort to “show only verified rumors” and “show all posts.” I trust that you’re a good enough web programmer to do this.

    • Posted May 16, 2009 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

      I tried that before – I had a main blog and a “Page 2” blog – readers wanted to have everything in one place, so I took out “Page 2”. I can bring it back if this is the consensus.

  7. SalMeow
    Posted May 16, 2009 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    you managed to piss off thom hogan so you must have done something right!

    • Posted May 16, 2009 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

      Trust me this was not my intention – I am just doing my job and I don’t care who is the source of the “rumor”. I treat everyone the same way when it comes to Nikon rumors.

      • Posted May 16, 2009 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

        This is one of those comments that disappoint me.

        I DO care what the source of a rumor is. What you’ve just told me is that you’ll print anything. That’s not a content site that I’m interested in, and you need to be careful that you don’t get abused by that stance. Someone made the suggestion that I was seeking attention, but if you’re not filtering, someone WILL seek attention by feeding you false rumors to satisfy their need. That type of thing tends to end badly for all parties.

        There’s also an underlying belief that Nikon itself is sometimes leaking intentionally to feed rumors to build buzz. This brings up a whole different discussion. Without doing due diligence on source, you risk being a puppet to other organizations. Perhaps that doesn’t bother you. Moreover, by blindly publishing anything that comes along, you’re going to get someone fired at some point, as companies do use traps in information to pinpoint leaks. That’s why I’ll only print something specific with two independent sources. Again, perhaps that doesn’t bother you, but if sources get outed by what you’re doing, those sources go away.

        • Posted May 16, 2009 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

          No, I will still filter out rumors – here is the proof (I did not post this one):

          On the other site I am careful with my sources and I have a way to present a rumor without revealing the source in case of a trap – I have done this many times. It is a fact that nobody from my sources have ever gotten in trouble.

    • Posted May 16, 2009 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

      You couldn’t be more wrong. If you think this is pissed off, you would be very wrong. I actually had high hopes for the potential of a Nikon rumor site. I could get out of the rumor business, for one ;~).

      Disappointed is the word you’re looking for.

  8. Tom
    Posted May 16, 2009 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    Keep up the good work. I enjoy your site very much.
    I don’t think you need to change a darn thing!

  9. dan
    Posted May 16, 2009 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    The votes are showing those losers! HA.

    • Bob
      Posted May 16, 2009 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

      I think the only loser is you for gloating.

      Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and there’s no right or wrong with this particular topic.

    • Beezlebug
      Posted May 16, 2009 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

      Yeah, dan, you’re a winner because you voted with the majority!! LOL!

      • dan
        Posted May 16, 2009 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

        I NO LOL!1!

    • asdf
      Posted May 16, 2009 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

      It’s a bizarre world where those that don’t want to waste time reading through posts of questionable quality are considered the “losers”. HA is right!

      • dan
        Posted May 16, 2009 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

        No, it’s a bizarre world where people spend more time complaining about wasting time reading posts than they do reading them.
        It’s hilarious how uptight some of these people are getting.
        My response was immature, but the people on that Thom topic were doing my head in, their responses were far more immature than mine. Well, almost.

  10. Steve-o
    Posted May 16, 2009 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    Dan is in bad need of a girlfriend

    • Posted May 16, 2009 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

      I will not delete your comment, just to show you as an example…

    • dan
      Posted May 16, 2009 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

      I hope you realise the irony of having a go at someone for making an immature comment with an equally immature one.
      Anyway. Don’t worry I won’t post any more on this apart from keep up the good work NR.

  11. Shoe
    Posted May 16, 2009 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    So I’ll come out of lurk mode just for a second and say that you’re absolutely doing the right thing already. Cut down the rumours to just what’s verified and it’ll be a sad day. Keep up the good work.

    Lurk mode re-engaged.

    • Posted May 16, 2009 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

      “Cut down the rumors to just what’s verified…”

      That’s not what I or others are suggesting. If it’s verified, it’s not a rumor, after all. That I’m working on a book I haven’t named is a fact. That it might be on a camera is a rumor started by, yep, a rumor site. Do you really want the owner of this site to START rumors? Do you want him to publish every idle speculation and false rumor that people start for their own ego? Or do you want him to look at all the rumors out there and vet the things that look plausible, raise interesting questions, or need to be dismissed before they spread?

      • Posted May 16, 2009 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

        just for the record – I do filter out rumors that I receive

      • Jeffster
        Posted May 17, 2009 at 12:06 am | Permalink

        This is exactly the point that the NR admin doesn’t seem to get. And frankly, based on his repeated comments, I don’t think he’ll ever understand.

      • Hugo
        Posted May 17, 2009 at 5:27 am | Permalink

        This place is like TMZ for the nikon user…

  12. for the bashers
    Posted May 16, 2009 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    there are dumb asses who check this site everyday and bitch about its content.

    keep up the good work NR.

  13. John
    Posted May 16, 2009 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    A rumor is understood to be unverified or incomplete information. As long as you make clear how much you trust a source or rumor, I think you should err on the side of being more inclusive.

    • Posted May 16, 2009 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

      correct – that’s why when I am sure, I say 99% or 100% or whatever the % is. I should start doing this for every post (and I will).

  14. Gary L
    Posted May 16, 2009 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    I don’t see why Thom’s panties got all bunched up on this one? I could see his having a fit, if the reverse were true: you wrote asking, he replied in implied or expressed confidentiality, and next thing he knew it bingo, you post the info.

    But WTFm you make a comment – read give him free publicity – by asking a question, and all of a sudden a fit is being thrown.

    This site will rise or fall, based on the quality of the info it delivers, detail, I am sure the owner(s) are aware of since heavens know, there are plenty of photo related sites we can go to.

    The point was made above: WTF is the dif if the post w/that question is made here, or on DPREVIEW, FREDMIRANDA, or anywhere else???

    As I see it: if a bunch of nonsense posts are made, readers/visitors will peel off, and the site will wilt away, but if the posts are informative, and the info DOES pan out, or even provokes an intelligent conversation, it will flourish.

    The site owners are free to post whatever the hell they want, just as we are free to stop by and read/post and give page clicks, or not. I fail to see the need for the pissing contests, really.

    • Posted May 16, 2009 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

      the site so far is doing great (I posted that already):

      Here is NR monthly visits growth graph since its start over a year ago:


      • Jeffster
        Posted May 17, 2009 at 12:12 am | Permalink

        That graph provides evidence that the site is doing better. But better than what? There are no labels visible on the y axis and it appears they have been intentionally cropped out. This seems to suggest that the admin is embarrassed by what they reveal.

        Also, proportionally, that graph doesn’t show a very significant rise in traffic, especially considering it begins the first day this site was launched (when there was likely zero traffic)

        • Posted May 17, 2009 at 12:31 am | Permalink

          ok Jeffster, I do not like to brag about my success and that’s why I did intentionally cut off the numbers – important was the pattern (and that’s why I never publish any website traffic info), but I guess I have to prove my point, so here it is – the full monty:

          the graph was removed for various reasons – I did prove my point to Jeffster, the show is over.

          • cloud9
            Posted May 17, 2009 at 12:54 am | Permalink

            I hear garbage men make $80k per year in NYC

  15. Zoetmb
    Posted May 16, 2009 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    I think the first question is the wrong question. It wasn’t posting that Thom is working on a new book of an unknown subject that was inappropriate, it was implying that it was for publicity that was inappropriate.

    • Posted May 16, 2009 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

      Thom never said so, which means to me that that’s not the case.

  16. Posted May 16, 2009 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    Interesting – I got almost the same results from my poll @ LeicaRumors.com:


  17. NikoDoby
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 12:18 am | Permalink

    Not too sure what all the fuss is about but I have this to ask “Thom” from reading this post. Whats the difference in calling nikonrumors.com “an advertising driven site”? Last time I checked hogan’s website there was a long list of stuff he’s trying to sell me on his site. I think NR is doing a good job. Yeah some “rumors” are “mickey mouse” but that’s up to me to decide. My mom says I’m a big boy now and I can make my own decisions.

    As for someone getting ratted out by sending NR a rumor, I think anyone who sends in a rumor is aware of the dangers in doing so. If I was a Nikon engineer I don’t think I’d be emailing NR pictures of the D4H and risk losing my dream job. Unless, that is, Nikon canned me first and I had a grudge.

  18. nshooter
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 12:23 am | Permalink

    The poll will obviously slant heavily towards people who support the admin’s decisions because most that are unhappy with the posts have already left (and probably aren’t coming back)

  19. lacey
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 1:21 am | Permalink

    This site blows. I’m outta here.

    • NR fan
      Posted May 17, 2009 at 1:29 am | Permalink

      see ya – take the rest of the gang with you, please?

  20. what the hell
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 1:51 am | Permalink

    why are you all arguing about?

    you can’t make everybody happy, but if this site is of interest to even half of the people who visits, it is a tremendous success.

    the polls says it all.

    i think there are more people who visits NR regularly than Thom’s site.

    and I am not the NR admin.

  21. NR fan
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 1:53 am | Permalink

    give the admin a break – he/she is running 3 rumors sites so we can stay informed

  22. Anonymous
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 1:55 am | Permalink

    I used to have this site in my feedreader, but a couple months ago, I decided to delete it, because I wasn’t happy any more with the quality of the post and the way people used the comments.
    Well, while the comments are out of your hands, I do believe that a bit more journalistic work would give this site a very stable reputation. The questions in the poll are the wrong ones, in my opinion. Basically you should keep the site as it is, at least from a reader point of few. People to check here for rumors, to see if there’s something in the bush. But you should increase the amount of investigating work. If someone post “I have a secret”, well then it’s your job to ask “what’s your secret?”. People might not always reply, but most often they will give you a hint or a wink, which might be useful.

    Don’t change too much, just try to check the sources a bit more than in the past and leave the obvious typo rumors out of the game. Then I think you have something serious going on here.

    • Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:00 am | Permalink

      I do check my sources – trust me on that. Try me out if you want and see how easy it is to post your rumor on the blog. I would say that only 10%-20% of all incoming rumors make it to the blog. I have several tricks in my hat that help me verify sources.

      • Anonymous
        Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:12 am | Permalink

        I didn’t say that you don’t check check at all. By no means. from reading the comments, it’s obvious that there is a huge crowd out there being terribly bored and having too much time. I bet there are quite a few that try really hard.
        My point was to increase the journalistic work. If you ever have the chance to talk to a journalist, ask him how many of their incoming sources they actually end up using. I think you will be very surprised. They don’t even dare to dream about 10-20%.
        What I’m asking you to do is, to help yourself, you have no the chance to choose the path this site will take. Keep up posting typos and stuff, and you soon can rename it to Nikon fun stuff.

  23. bho
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 1:57 am | Permalink

    dont change a damn thing, continue with what u are doing…u are doing a great job here…

  24. ChrisRocker
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:05 am | Permalink

    Keep the posts coming!! I don’t see what’s the fuss all about. As it is a “RUMORS” site. If you want to stick to actual facts then just go to nikon.com and stay there! The “rumors” will have its hit and misses, but hey this is what its all about. But one thing is for sure, there are always room for improvement, but whatever that is I support this site 100%

  25. Greg
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:08 am | Permalink

    I think we need people like NR fan to leave. Blind followers are even worse than those trying to bring change.

    • NR fan
      Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:13 am | Permalink

      Greg, I bet you are a republican

      • Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:14 am | Permalink

        wow, wow, wow – let’s don’t start political debates here please

      • Greg
        Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:53 am | Permalink

        NR Fan,

        That’s funny, I thought *you* were the republican!

        I’m the one trying to bring change after all!

      • lacey
        Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:59 am | Permalink

        I’m guessing NR Fan voted for Bush/Cheney

  26. steve-0
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:12 am | Permalink

    NR fan has a 5 year old mutant son. Now that’s funny!

  27. Henry Nikon Fan
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:13 am | Permalink

    I think that some people make to much of what is said and not said on a rumor site. This site is just that a rumor site. Some information that you receive is provided with the best of intensions from others such as my self. Others are only trying to create a buzz, but it is impossible for you to determine what is real and what is not. If you could do this, I would suggest that you are in the wrong business and would do much better at the Black Jack table or Roulette Wheel in Las Vegas.

    I would suggest that you continue to research your information that you obtain from all of your sources as you have been doing in the past, but do not feel obligated to be perfect with all of the information that is posted. Again, this is Nikon Rumors and not Nikon Press Release.

    I do not read all of the post or all of the rumors or respond to all of the posts. I read what I find interesting to me and post when I feel as though I have something noteworthy to add. We should not take this site with such a high degree of seriousness. This is Nikon Rumors and it is at times a very helpful site with pricing information and reviews which are great and it can also be very intertaining.

    You do a great job of maintaining this site and wish you the best in the future.

    • Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:21 am | Permalink

      Thanks, I think I should start another blog just to describe all the weird & bizarre stuff I am receiving. Trust me, I am doing everything I can to verify my information. Of course sometimes I screw up and I admit it.

      • Henry Nikon Fan
        Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:22 am | Permalink

        It is not a screw up if you receive information about a product that may or may not be real. In my opinion it is just a rumor.

      • Henry Nikon Fan
        Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:25 am | Permalink

        I provided a rumor to you in the Fall of last year about what I had heard from a Nikon Rep. at a camera store about the release of the AF-S 50mm lens. You had no way to confirm that I heard what I said I heard, but you posted it anyway. At that point it was just that a rumor. It happened to be true, but it could have been false. In either event it still when posted was a rumor.

        • Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:30 am | Permalink

          I remember that one – the problems is that most of the rumors I receive are anonymous and there is no way for me to verify them.

          • Henry Nikon Fan
            Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:34 am | Permalink

            There you go, see my definition of what a rumor is that I posted below. You cannot be responsible for what others say. You may try to verify, but in the end you cannot be responsible.

          • Henry Nikon Fan
            Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:39 am | Permalink

            Maybe you should start another site and call it Nikon Facts and only publish known facts that are obtained directly from Nikon. I think that this would be a bit boring, but it might better satisfy others.

            I would continue to view the Nikon Rumors site as I would find it more interesting, but that is just me.

  28. Henry Nikon Fan
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:17 am | Permalink

    Wow, I think that all should lighten up a bit. Life is to short to be so worked up.

  29. Henry Nikon Fan
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:28 am | Permalink

    To make sure that we all understand what we are talking about, below is the definition of what a rumor is:

    ru·mor [rmər]
    noun (plural ru·mors)
    1. unverified report: a generally circulated story, report, or statement without facts to confirm its truth
    2. idle speculation: general talk or opinions of uncertain reliability

    transitive verb (past and past participle ru·mored, present participle ru·mor·ing, 3rd person present singular ru·mors)
    to pass on rumors: to pass along information by rumor (usually passive)
    It is rumored that they are leaving the company.

    Microsoft® Encarta® 2007. © 1993-2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

    I think that this definition should justify any and all information that is posted on this site by the Administrator.

    • Greg
      Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:56 am | Permalink

      He doesn’t need a dictionary definition to justify making a post. The point is whether people are actually interested in the post and whether the post provides any useful into.

  30. AAA
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:42 am | Permalink

    I don’t believe a single fact about what’s being posted here until it is proven otherwise.That is why I like this site.

  31. NikoDoby
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:43 am | Permalink

    I think all of the bickering, name calling, and unpleasentness is what ruins “community” forums. You see it way too often in places like dpreview. I think trolling and personal attacks is what makes people leave, not sub par information. NR I think it’s time to lock this post down and lets all move on!

  32. Posted May 17, 2009 at 2:57 am | Permalink

    Don’t change anything… your site is one which I read daily. Some days there are lots of rumors, others nothing… this is what makes your site so much fun… it’s like Christmas when you post. Nobody likes getting cheap gifts (low quality rumors) you do a very good job keeping the useless / outlandish rumors off you site. Thanks again for a great job.

  33. Trevor
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 4:20 am | Permalink

    Why dont you consider using a rating ystem, similar to CR.

    • Posted May 17, 2009 at 11:36 am | Permalink

      I will start using something like this – I am still thinking on abetter representation that 1,2,3

  34. Anonymous
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 4:29 am | Permalink

    I think your poll questions are flawed. Neither option is valid. You shouldn’t limit yourself by posting only 100% accurate rumors (which probably means that you’d post a day before the release, which is completely useless anyway), but you shouldn’t post any crap that is sent to you, either. Instead, you should use your expertise in the field of Nikon (or generally, imaging) products to estimate the probability that some rumor is true. The problem is – sorry to say – that you’re lacking the experience to do just that (just look at the 300/4.5 IF-ED “rumor”). So, the best way to improve this site is not adopting some rigid posting policy, but getting your knowledge up to snuff. But then, I realize that you want visitors on this site, and for that, you need to post frequently. Which is probably why your BS filter is on a fairly low setting…

    Don’t get me wrong, I would appreciate a website on which I can base purchasing decisions (e.g. to avoid buying some piece of equipment that is due for replacement within a month or two), but the current state of affairs on this site doesn’t allow for this because the information is unreliable. So for me, NR is not overly useful at the moment (which is why I don’t visit too often)…

  35. Alex
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 4:34 am | Permalink

    Keep up the good work.

  36. Ian Dudley
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 4:45 am | Permalink

    The polls have spoken and overwhelmingly support your existing stance. Keep doin’ what you’re doin’!

  37. Posted May 17, 2009 at 4:49 am | Permalink

    I HATE DPR, most people who hang on that forum INCLUDING Thom, are too opinionated, aggressive and stuck up, this site and Nikon Cafe are the best.

  38. theChipmunk
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 5:06 am | Permalink

    To those who prompted NRAdmin to have the poll:

    Sorry that we don’t have Nikon’s top people bribed for completely accurate, info-rich rumours and that all we have is a guy who has other (more important, like, y’know, having a job to buy food for himself) commitments who does this blog as a service to you. Now, I’m sure he earns a little bit from advertising, but really, it’ll be nowhere near enough to live by, so why don’t you all shut the f**k up and stop harassing a guy who is doing something that’s actually fairly selfless and useful.

    To the Admin of Nikon Rumours:

    You’re doing an excellent job and I read your blog literally daily. I like it exactly the way it is – and I voted accordingly. Keep up the good work!


  39. Anon
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 5:47 am | Permalink

    I think that Thom did raise some valid points, certainly worthy of thought. However nobody has asked the question of whether this site is a business or a hobby for the admin. If it is a pure business for the admin and the goal is to make as much money as possible, then the selective filtering idea may be a good one: let every user set a cookie determining what level of rumor they get. For example 1=news with press release,2=rumor with multiple independent sources,3=plausible rumor, only two sources,4=less plausible rumor, single source stuff etc. And have a separate option to include or exclude reviews/humor etc.

    However, it sounds to me like he’s running it as a hobby that happens to generate a little cash – and there’s nothing at all wrong with that. Who are we to say how he should express himself on the Web? This site is free after all, I am sure the admin will happily give annoyed readers a full refund… If readers don’t like this site then they should go elsewhere – and if there’s nowhere else they can start their own site!

    I for one continue to enjoy this site and don’t mind wading through a bit of rubbish. I come from a media background and can tell you instantly that the site is flawed in many ways. But the whole point of the Web is that anyone can express themselves how they see fit. Yes, that results in hideously irritating ephemera like Twitter, and contributes to the decline of the English language etc. The saving grace is that occasionally something honest and interesting like this site comes along.

    • Posted May 17, 2009 at 10:49 am | Permalink

      hobby, not a business – I still have a full time day job

  40. Kenneth Solfjeld
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 6:55 am | Permalink

    I think ur doing a great job with Nikon Rumors. Keep up the good work! And post any Nikon rumors you can find!

  41. donde?
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    Thom should stick to his site and do what he does best (reviews, manuals,…) and this site should stick to what it does best (speculations, rumors, news). I am happy the way it is.

  42. Zorro
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    I read earlier that lacey was “outta here”. lacey, why are you still here? Why are all you knockers still here?

    I must say I had a chuckle reading this saga.

    NR, I enjoy the site just as it is. Cheers

  43. Zorro
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    This thread appears to be broken. No telling where a post will end up.

  44. Floyd
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    G’day Admin. Keep up the great work (and i understand that what you are doing does take work). You are doing a great job. I see your site as one for rumours, speculation, discussion points and stuff of interest to the world wide Nikon user community. I check it almost everyday. Personally, I see it as entertainment as well – something to read while I munch my lunch at my desk at work. If i want science (in order to understand and predict what is most likely to happen next), I will read science. I see no changes that are necessary on your site.

    I am struck by how the many people who accuse you of wasting their time are actually wasting their own time by posting comments that are critical, but not at all helpful. I haven’t read the entirety of most of them. I don’t see the need to linger on every word of every post in an obsessional sort of way. I am grown up enough to make a choice about what I read. .

    As for all those critical, bitter posters out there, I suggest you all relax a little and get outside more. Otherwise, you could set up your own blogs where other like-minded folks can chime in and you can all get bent out of shape together.

    As others have said to you, Admin., it’s your site. You do what you like. But please note that you have my support and clearly have the support of many others.

    Once again: Good work Admin. and thanks you to you.

  45. Ric
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    Your polls are not sufficient to describe the problem with your “intepretation” of Thom Hogans surprise book. It’s not about whether you need to “verify” the rumors you publish here or not. But most rumors are based on someone saying “I spoke to a Nikon rep. the other day”, or someone producing fake camera ads, or someone with inside connections actually leaking credible information that appears like rumors until verified.

    But with the “book incident” YOU actually created the rumor yourself, based on a razor blade thin assumption that someone would actually write and publish a BOOK over a rumored camera/lens/whatever. That’s different, and has, IMO, no place here. But you decide.

  46. Ace
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    Ok, I’ll say this slowly… the word “rumor” is in the name of the website. I’m an adult capable of critical thinking. It’s not as though there is intentional deceit. Like, oh, remember the original website for whitehouse.com? Now that was misleading. Sadly, no longer the soft porn it used to be.

  47. mbr
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    How about 2 rss streams, one with quality content and one without?
    Then everybody gets what he wants ..

  48. dino
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    I see lots of comments.. it would be impossible to read them all consequently in the right way.. however let me tell you what I would do.

    1) continue posting RUMORS as RUMORS (that is “magazine xxx has spotted a new lens OR on a yyyy forum someone talked about a zzz lens/body.. I’m sure you know what I mean)

    2) open a SEPARATE section for links that might be interesting in the future (here you might let fall the Thom section, that is “Nice to know that Thom Hogan is working on a new mysterious book: let’s hope to read it soon” OR also those latest 2nd hand rumors just to keep track of them). Of course this has less priority than #1. People must be aware that you post them not to lose them by the time, not because you’re speculating on something.

    3) forget all the rest. By the way, let me at least thank you for the great effort you do to keep all us informed of what’s going on out there.

  49. funny
    Posted May 17, 2009 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    if I wanted to read 2 day old confirmed announcements I’d go read nikonwatch.com :p

    keep up what you’re doing.

  50. Posted May 17, 2009 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    ok, I just discovered that steve-o, cloud9, Jeffster, Beezlebug, Bob, seadriver, cameraguy and few other names are the same person. One single person is responsible for 99% of the negative comments here. There is no reason for one person to disturb a whole community, especially since he/she does not even like the site. From that point on, I am considering those posts as spam.

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