Nikon medium format again (MX)

I got this email from a reader and after a brief investigation of the source I feel comfortable to post it here - I have no way to confirm the validity of the rumor, but I have a reason to believe that the source is trustworthy:


Whilst surfing the web I came across your site and saw the comment on the Nikon D4 and that there will be no such middle format Nikon camera, this is incorrect, thought I'd fill you in on some details.

Nikon will be bringing out a middle format camera by the end of the year, which indeed is the so called "The Big" D4.

This information has been confirmed to some pro photographers as well as Nikon distributors, camera will have a CCD size of 55x55mm, there's no exact details on final resolution yet but it will be somewhere around 50Mp, quite similar in design to that of the Leica S2 camera system which was announced six months ago.

New lenses for the new middle format camera will be announced which will cover the larger format as well as lens specific extenders/adaptors which will allow those standard FX lenses to be used on the D4,  these adaptors will convert standard FX lenses to cover larger image size such as that of D4 but will not have the true optical quality such as those designed specifically for middle format Nikon D +++  cameras to come in future.

For the time, no detailed information on full range of lenses are available but planned for the release together with D4 are the 35mm, 80mm and 180mm lenses along with the 0.7 retro-adaptors for standard 35mm Nikon lenses.

Pricing has not been set but since this will a full breed pro camera, expect pricing to be in the $30.000,- to $40.000,- USD range, (Euros in Europe) so no reason for amateurs to get excited and go wild about it!

No rumors, facts...
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  • low

    yikes! this is too much information to absorb!

    • savvo

      I think you’re confusing uncorroborated delusional raving with information.

  • nikon craz

    selling my 1wk old d3x to make room for d4….haha…$40G..will start saving and eat ramen everyday…

  • jons

    I thought D3 for $4.5k was expensive already.

  • Anonymous


  • I’m sorry but this guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. No way Nikon is going to use a CCD sensor. And there’s no way to make FX lenses work on that much larger a sensor, except for maybe the tilt/shift lenses.

    Just way too many obvious errors in his description. For example, Leica’s S2 isn’t close to 50mp, it’s 39.

    • Mike

      I think it’s also worth noting that although the prose indicates that English is the source’s first language, the information he/she divulges is gramatically garbled and poorly structured (eg “cameras to come in future” – as opposed to what? Coming in the past?) and I’d be amazed if someone so poorly educated is privy to detailed high-level information.

      • Medieval Mike

        comment removed by admin for offensive language

        • Amy Duman

          Interesting that you mention “INCOMPETENCE” and “MASTERING ENGLISH LANGUAGE SKILLS”, if I were you you I’d check out the spelling before puking your own incompetence out! What do you think is “A WOMEN” singular or plural? If singular, would you consider WOMENS as plural? Do you think you are a master of English language? Do you really?
          And “MAYBE EVEN BLACK”, now this is what I call pure racism, your screen name “Medieval Mike” suits you well my friend!

          • Michael Houghton

            That was clearly satire, Amy.

          • the comment was clearly offensive and I removed it
            those types of comments will not be tolerated here period

    • Mike

      Kodak makes a 50 mp CCD for H’blad. Nikon and Kodak have work together in the past too. Nothing wrong with CCD. It’s better for studio work with controled lighting and/or low ISO work like landscape. As this is shaping to be an über pro camera, CCD is quite realistic. Will be fun to see, but I have a hard time wrapping my head around a camera that costs more than my car! For this pros though it will be cost negligible and a worthy investment.

    • Hi, I’ve read somewhere that CCD are standard on all medium digital backs right now. I maybe wrong, but for that size, CCD seems to be a better choice.

  • a reader

    I will keep shooting my $80 120mm Seagull for the medium format stuff. thanks, but no thanks, Nikon.

  • Peter

    This does not ring at all true for no other reason than the converters to use FX lenses.

    As I’m sure many people have noticed, Nikon lenses often have baffles over the rear element in the 3:2 ratio of the sensor/film. In order for these lenses to work with these converters, the image ‘rectangle’ would have to be enlarged far more than with an image circle to ensure the smaller dimension can cover the square 55mm sensor.

    For that reason you have to doubt the whole story. Doesn’t add up for me.

  • lox

    I agree with the others… No way to make FX lenses work on a 55×55 mm frame. Even if such thing worked, why don’t we have DX -> FX adapters then? Also, Nikon would not just continue FX model numbering into a completely new product line. Two good reasons to doubt.

  • Elson

    At 30K or 40K, that will be out of reach for most of us… I cannot even afford a D3X now… sigh…

    So… there is nothing to get excited about…

  • Niloy

    I trust this guy, for some reason.

    • savvo

      How do you feel about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?

      • Joe

        I hang out with those guys all the time. What’s your point? ;O)

  • volkra

    Why this is a silly rumor and not a fact:

    – Nikon has no experience in the MF market
    – The market is fairly small and several MF companies are fighting for survival
    – The D3x just came out
    – The D3x is chewing in on the MF segment (see the DxOMark benchmarks and check it out compared to some MF cameras)
    -The FX lenses will not work well on such a camera (sure, they _will work_ as can be seen with Nikkor adapters for e.g. Sinar, but question is _how well_ and that is rather a disappointment)
    – Making adapters is not a business, you rather create new lenses for it
    – They would start creating lenses that can be used for it before they roll out the camera and make adapters to use those larger lenses on the FX cameras: Nikon makes money on lenses!
    – They just got going on FX after many years of delay. Going beyond that so fast seems very strange.
    – On the naming: They would not shift into another format and still call it Dn – There is a natural evolution from D1..D2h..D2x..D3..D3x and a D4 must be an extension of D3 and D3x not breaking it (breaking it in price, breaking it in lens system). They could call it DM1 or M1, but not D4.

    • Nikon lenses are well known in the medium and large format marketplace. My Plaubel Makina 67 has a superb 80mm f/2.8 Nikkor. I mostly have Schneider and Zeiss for other medium and large format use, but there was a very nice range of Nikkors and they were well respected. The lenses are out of production for the past couple of years, but Nikon still holds the formulas and probably still has the machines to manufacture them. A matter of designing new mounts for the new camera.

      The medium format marketplace is quite small indeed compared to the consumer market, and none of the cameras are anywhere near as mass produced – thus prices in the $25,000-$50,000 range. However the budgets for shoots with these cameras easily warrant the price. Compared to the salaries and fees on such a shoot, the cost of the camera is of little relevance. Day rates for the shooter and assistants, a clutch of supermodels, makeup team, stylists, fashion editor and assistants, art director and staff, catering, sycophants and hangers-on can make the cost of a day’s shoot breathtaking. Not a world an enthusiast sees.

      In this marketplace, a lot of equipment is rented, and the rental is included in the client’s invoice. It is not at all necessary to even own any photographic equipment, to work successfully at this level.

      To put it in perspective, no one blinks when a taxi driver pays this much for his working equipment. Good tools cost, and they also pay for themselves. A working photographer at this level is probably pulling in a minimum day rate of $5k plus expenses, considerably more than a taxi driver makes in a day.

      DX lenses work on FX cameras, in DX mode, and some even work in FX mode, at least over a limited range. My 12-24mm DX is fine from 18-24mm and makes a very useful wide-angle lens on the D700 without going to a cropped mode. If a MX camera has a FX mode, it could well still be in the 35MP+ range.

      While I take the whole rumor with a grain of salt, I would not dismiss it out of hand. Canon has never made large or medium format lenses, while Nikon has extensive experience there, along with loads of lens designs that just require new mounts – not a big thing.

      Nikon has always sold a lot of cameras over the decades to entry level shooters, due to its professional reputation, somewhat dimmed by Canon over the last decade or so. Canon is unlikely to follow into this market for quite some time, and in that time, it would be a camera that might influence a newbie to buy into the Nikon system with a D60 instead of the Canon equivalent. Well executed, it could have a major impact upon the market. I would be just as happy to rent it, as rent a Hasselblad and lenses.

      • RThomas

        Well said! Nikon has always been an optics company, and the first Canon camera actually carried a Nikkor lens.

        • Amy Duman

          Correct, and don’t forget the lenses made by Nikon for the Zenza Bronica middle format cameras!

  • Pablov

    Calling it as D4 would mean that Nikon no longer makes a FX body in the Pro line (unless they call D3h or so, but it equally means it would end soon) …sounds weird to me.

    Although I never discard a medium format in the future. “Business are business”

  • Rumpage

    You can make the lens work, it will just have wrong focus scale. Just move it further away from sensor (which compromise the formula a bit), but you get it work.

  • HKjasd

    Sure you can make lens work, just sacrifice lens optical formula a bit by moving it more far from sensor. You will also have wrong focus scale but better than nothing

    • Martin

      That’s like working with an extension tube.
      Would work – probably.
      – lose the ability to focus to infinity
      – lose speed
      – lose quality
      Would it make any sense? I don’t know …

  • NikonMan

    Has anyone ever heard of a teleconverter??

    TCs (teleconverters) work by enlarging the image circle of the lens and allowing the same size film/sensor to take a “cropped” section from the middle.

    An MX adapter using TC type optics would allow the use of a larger sensor, keeping the same angle of view but with a longer focal length lens (as to be expected for the larger format)

    The adapter would give coverage for the larger sensor but would still cost maximum apertures as teleconverters always do. (you can’t get something for nothing)

    To answer the question of why no adapter for DX lenses on FX?
    – just the same as a TC, they would still cost approx one stop of lens speed, how many DX lenses would cope with the loss of a stop of maximum aperture (Nikon don’t recommend the use of a TC with an F5.6 lens)

    • Ernst

      You lose more than speed; a theoretically-perfect TC proportionally reduces resolution and in practice they cause other aberrations as well.

      There’s no point in enlarging the image to project less light on a bigger sensor when you could just make the pixels smaller. Any increase in noise (at a given gain level) is countered by a proportional reduction in the gain required.

      No one ever made an MF film camera that used 135-format lenses with teleconverters for the same reason.

      • NikonMan

        Yup that is totally correct, but optical proformance is not always everything.

        If Nikon launch an MF camera with (say) 5 MX lenses and an adapter to allow FX lenses to be used, then the Nikon MF camera would have the largest range of lenses available compared to ANY other MF system

        And any Nikon user considering MF would be just plain silly to consider a MF system that is not compatable with what he/she already has. Or a student may think “if I invest in Nikon now, then I’ll have some parts of the MF system when (if) I need them later – move over Canon…

        Marketing 101 “perception is more powerful than reality”

  • savvo

    “No rumors, facts…”

    Oh, Ok then. Until you told me that I thought it was complete BS.

    • You realize that this was part of the email, not my own words?

  • Andy

    Could this be the 50MP sensor Sony aer rumoured to be developing. If so expect a Sony version which will be much cheaper & have Zeiss lenses 🙂

  • rhlpetrus

    Just more mirage sightings. The whole MX issue is just that, mirage and myth-making. Now to business, is a D400 coming at PMA? Or a D60x (12MP)? Those are real possibilities, Nikon going MF is just vapourware of the worst type (smelly).

  • Looks interesting… though the market is small, a MX from Nikon will make significant inroads in this market..
    At least something to look forward to… life has become boring with no new releases from Nikon after the D3x.
    For my part, I am still happy with my D200.

  • Jason

    Nothing for amateurs to get excited about? Is this man mad? Has he never heard of gearheads, or the halo effect? By this logic no boy would put a picture of a ferrari on his wall until he had the money for it . . .

  • Hey, nobody said existing FX lenses are to cover the whole 55 X 55mm area; it’s quite possible Nikon is only aiming to assure some compatibility; DX lenses also can be used on FX cameras, right?
    50 mpix on a 55 X 55mm sensor means something of an image size about 7000 X 7000 pix, which translates to about 3800 X 3800 when using the existing lenses’ available 30 X 30mm square image – and that means 14.5 mpix in 1:1 format and 14 mpix in 3:2 FX mode.

    So, is this, as an addition to the “full” 50 mpix MX format, interesting enough? I’d say yes, quite …

  • Stephane

    The market figures speak for themselves. To take an example, DSLRs sold in France this past year: 435.000. Medium Format Digital Backs/Kits sold in the same period: 450 (units).

    And Nikon would go through the trouble of releasing a body and a full line of lenses aiming at the very top end of this microscopic market? While at the same time they can’t deliver enough lenses for their DSLR market?

    Not very likely, IMO.

    • Mike

      435 x $40,000
      Is still significant dollars. Enough to warrant a new format. Canon and Sony are electronics companies… Printers, cameras, lenses, TV etc. Diversified. Nikon is a camera company. They are diversifying. I’m sure Nikon has done the market research. Don’t forget too the RED is rumored to be coming out with a modular monster, so perhaps Nikon is lining up their ducks to compete.

  • Ken Elliott

    Actually, this all makes a lot of sense. Those of us who own wide format printers want this. We badly need the pixels. A 44″ x 44″ print @ 300dpi requires 174MP. A 44″ x 66″ print requires 261MP. So 50MP is a step in the right direction, but we still have a way to go. Right now, we uprez, print smaller and/or print at a lower resolution. If Nikon provides a path that lets me move into MF bit-by-bit, I’m in.

    Here is why I believe the rumor is believable:

    Lets face it – medium format digital is smaller than medium format film. With film you needed to build your camera to accept common film formats, but with digital, you only have to be compatible with the image circle of your lenses.

    In order to cover the 135 film format, you need an image circle of 43.26mm. The actual image circle will vary from lens to lens, but all are at least 43.26mm. Nikon has hit certain limits in regards to its F-mount, and it is clear to me that they are moving to an all-electric mount (as they have done in the T/S lenses). A new mount would allow them to increase the size to something beyond the 135 format, yet retain full compatibility with electric-F-mount lenses.

    Going to a square format means we don’t have to rotate the camera for portraits. If you build a 43.26mm square sensor with the same pixel density as the D3x, you end up with 52MP. I was expecting Nikon to offer a new body using existing DX lenses with a square sensor, but it actually makes more sense to use a sensor with larger dimension, all-electric mount and use the existing lenses in crop mode. Using a 55mm x 55mm sensor with a pixel density of the D3, you would have 42MP. Now D3-like low light performance in a medium format body would rock! The same size sensor with D3x pixel density would be 84MP. So if Nikon is goes with 50MP, then performance will be closer to the D3 than the D3x.

    So I think Nikon could completely take over the medium format market, since they give us a body that we could use existing lenses – many that do not exist in current MF cameras, and would have performance that is unequaled at any price. While the price is pretty darn high for most of us, I’m pretty sure you can expect this technology to trickle down over time. Unlike the DX/no FF statement of the past, MX would clearly show us Nikon’s path for the future.

  • why not?

    Hey, why not? How many of you believed the DX prime lens? How many of you believed that we will see video in DSLR (before the D90)? How about the small FF body camera (D700)? So open your mind people, I agree the above email sounds weird, but I say it is possible – probably not this year.

  • Calvin

    I believe sensor size of 36 x 36mm and hence can use all the current Nikkor lense without adapter is the most probable outcome for MX format.

    It is because it does not require Nikon to take risk to invest in a new product line for MX lens and 36 x 36mm would be far affordable vs 55 x 55mm

    36 x 36mm is the most sensible, isn’t it? 🙂

  • beuler

    A 55mmx55mm size sensor has 77mm diagonal, meaning the converter for FX lenses has to be x0.55, not x0.7. This, plus the rectangular baffle obstacle. The post is bogus.

  • Eiran

    I wouldn’t be surprised if all the Pro bodies adopt the MX format while the D+++ bodies will be replaced with the FX format, thus bringing digital photography back to 35mm standards (no longer APS-C).

    Personally i feel the DX format was a technological gap. The DX format was probably a solution to fill the gap while costs were spread out and R&D was done for the realization of full frame capability in all DSLRs.

    • Martin

      I think so, too. They hat to bring DX format first, because it wasn’t viable to produce inexpensive full frame sensors at that time.
      Nikon might go into medium format realms at some point in the future. At the moment this is a yawner. I’d much more interested in full frame in the price range between a D90 and a D300.

  • Nikkoryan

    I don’t discount the possibility of Nikon dabbling in MF. I am interested. But this is not it. Why?

    — It would not be a D4, any more than the successor to the Coolpix P6000 will be a D500. It would be an M1, or something like that.
    — Lens converters…nonsense. Lenses match format, if anything, a larger image circle (like FX lens on DX sensor). Never manipulate an image circle from a precision lens optically formulated to a smaller format.

    Put it this way: No one (or at least, not a viable market population) who would want and would afford a MF system in the $30K+ range including myself would dare stand for an optical device behind my lens which distorts the formula to manipulate a larger image circle. Nonsense. There would be new lenses.

    No doubt about the source being reliable, just not the information.

    • Nikkoryan

      Ya know (feeling my sentiments more conflicting now), that being said (my last post), Nikon has shaken the industry in the past (and as previous poster mentioned), shaken our expectations with their brazen leadership, going where we did *not* expect: Creating the prosumer line (D100-300), DX lenses in the first place, FX sensors, the D700, the revolutionary D3 which has arguably changed photography (ability to shoot quality in low light, previously impossible), HD video (even though it was almost instantly trumped by Canon’s 1080p), now a DX prime…I wouldn’t be surprised if they leave us dumbfounded again.

      There is a good chance there is some truth behind this rumor. But the facts I think just get clouded. It will NOT be called a D4. The sensor proportion could be real, and yes, CCD is completely plausible, the 50 mp density is believable. But who would want lens adapters, converters, cropping on a camera that costs more than my car? It seems a nicely fabricated attempt to build artificial plausibility.

      Again, all this for a market that is shrinking, being gravitated more into market corners (not eliminated). Ehh…

  • David

    Whilst reading this I saw a U.F.O. out my window. The craft landed in my yard where I was whisked away by 10 beautiful alien virgins and treated to hours of pleasure why cruising the universe. After that they then deposited large sums of cash in my bank account and bought me a new Ferrari. Should I go on…

    • Nikkoryan

      Please do! I want to hear how it ends…
      PS: Were you filming the event on your D90? 🙂

  • WaitingfortheD400

    Where’s my daily dose of D400 rumours? Is Tom Hogan right and there will be no new body at the PMA? Please give me hope 🙂

  • David


    No, I was using the yet unreleased Nikon 4×5 large format field view camera. It records stunning stills and motion. There is also an adapter where you can actually but your DSLR inside the bellows and shoot using large format lenses.

    Unfortunately I misplaced the camera somewhere around Mars.

    • Does everyone remember Nikon has been in the business of large format (4×5 to 8×10 and beyond) lens business for decades and made very well respected lens lines along with the Rodenstock and Schneider? I am shooting a 4×5 with the 90mm /f8 and the 300mm/f9 Nikkors that closes down to f128 and weights around 8oz.

      Nikon is much more experiences in making larger format lenses than Canon or Sony.

  • rhlpetrus

    A complete skeptic here about MX, but read this:


    “But, Supposedly Michael Reichman from the Luminous-Landscape has already been playing with the medium format camera. Obviously IF this is true, he would be under a NDA prohibiting him from commenting. Has anyone seen Michale shooting with a new camera not yet seen in public? We would love to know. “

    • I would not trust those guys – they are just trying to get people to register to their website. I think they posted their “news” right after my post (I also have other reasons to believe that they bs us).

      • rhlpetrus

        I posted a comment at DPR exactly on those terms, they are after traffic. And, IMHO, MX is a mirage, sorry to say it again (for the 1000th time, likely). It just doesn’t make sense, a micro market, which may well disappear in a few years as technology advances and still images become more and more restricted to hobbyists.

  • Visitor

    D3 came out with new FX format, so a D4 coming out in MX format would not be unusual.

    If you increase the distance between the back of the lens and the sensor plane, then the image circle increases but you lose much beyond closeup focus. Placing a diopter type lens between an FX lens and an MX body (assuming D4 is thicker body) fixes the focus ability. Short term solution while Nikon works on bringing out new MX lenses. It all makes sense to a point.

    The problem is the worldwide financial mess. Sales are dropping. Cash Flow shrinking. The Japanese camera industry will only survive if companies merge.
    Nikon will likely become a part of Canon. The D4 will very likely be the last pro camera designed by Nikon. Olympus will likely join Panasonic. Pentax will likely join Samsung. Sony and Canon (new Canikon) will battle it out, splitting about 90% of the camera market.

    Fun times ahead.

  • for the nay sayers

    enough with the adapter. If this camera exists then it will surely have an FX cop mode, just like FX bodies have a DX crop mode. The adapters are proably just phisical couplers for the new mounth diamater and the camera design will be made to accomodate them. If the target price is 20-40K, very few corners are going to be cut.

    have fun.

  • Ken Elliot says “In order to cover the 135 film format, you need an image circle of 43.26mm. The actual image circle will vary from lens to lens, but all are at least 43.26mm … If you build a 43.26mm square sensor with the same pixel density as the D3x, you end up with 52MP.”

    Read my post above yours, Ken – you can’t fit a 43.26mm square in a circle of 43.26mm, but a circle of 30.59mm does fit that circle …
    So all your numbers are wrong. My approximate calculations in the post above are based on D3/D700 pixel density.

    • Ken Elliott

      Woops! Boy, I messed up bad. Glad you caught my error.

  • thank you

    i very skeptical. to me make no sense why nikon would do such thing. i think the person who email the admin was not truthful. i am truthful in my heart.

  • Alex

    this rumor is already getting torn up, but here’s another reason why I think it’s bull:

    I highly doubt Nikon will EVER make a camera called the “D4.” The reason is because the number “4” is considered unlucky in Japaan ( We’ve already seen one big camera company skip “4” in their line… CANON! Remember the S3 point and shoot? Remember what came after that? The S5!

    • Cluebat

      ORLY! I wonder about that little camera Nikon calls the F4… or are you part of the brigade that thinks photography only started in 1999 with the D1?

    • Mike

      D40, 40-800, SB-400, 400mm, 12-24 f/4. Canon 40D.

      By the way, totally off topic. The new 35mm is not Nikon’s first DX prime lens…. do we all quickly forget about the 10.5mm fisheye? Mine says DX on it! 🙂

      • Mike

        Ha, I’m tired. That should be 80-400! Can you imagine? 40-800? Yikes.

      • yes, Nikon messed up again
        they messed up also the number of blades

  • Jon Paul

    False or not, we should start up a lively DX/MX argument just because we can. Or maybe, more appropriately, we should start posting comments asking questions like, “Is FX dead?”

  • Chevypower

    When it comes to outright size, RED’s 261 megapixel 168mm x 56mm sensor seems to blow everything else out of the water

    • anselmej

      but who is buying REd ?

      • At this point, the RED One is purchased by the motion picture industry, since existing equipment is strictly limited to this market. Last I heard, over 4,000 have been ordered and over 2,500 have been shipped. The first camera first shipped in mid-2007. Even with being on the market for only about a year and a half, IMDB shows camera credits on 186 productions.

        Not listed are the industrial movies that are the un-applauded bread and butter of most working movie makers. While most units will be rented, the camera is cheap enough for a busy industrial production company to actually own, should they see this as economical. Most production companies own no equipment at all. Rival Panavision which has dominated theatrical movie making for decades, sells nothing. To shoot with a Panavision camera, you can ONLY rent.

        Its low price tag is not its big feature. Its modularity, versatility and quality is, along with the simplicity of editing 4K stock compared the the hassle of film. It can use film industry standard PL lenses, and has mounts for Nikon and Canon dSLR lenses as well. It can also shoot at 3K and 2K, Its output is easily downsized to HDTV resolutions or printed to film for theatrical release. There are 4K projectors now from Sony and possibly others.

        The going rate is $500 to $2,000 per day, depending upon the accessories, lenses, and so on. If you think this is expensive, consider that an A-List actor can top $20,000,000 in salary for a single motion picture, and there may be several on the shoot. With a director and a couple of stars pulling in a couple of million a day, the cost of equipment is trivial. In the case of industrial productions, commercials and the like, the rental costs are included in the invoice to the client.

        Most will be bought by such rental firms, who supply the industry.

  • anselmej

    who will pay 30.000 or 40.000 $ for a Nikon MX when for that price you can get a P+65 ?
    it will never come , never !
    and if Leica go on that way in 5 year it will be dead

  • Sounds a little costly. Crazy too.

  • William

    It sure would be nice though. Maybe this could the beginning of the downturn in expensive medium format digital cameras. Kinda like the first high end flat panel HDTV screen. Maybe 5 to ? years form now we’ll be able to buy a medium format digital for 8K….

  • Alan LaBaff

    I feel Nikon D1,D2H made some nice pictures for myself. I feel making a durable and decent quality camera last a million shutter releases is a key. I have owned F4,F5,F6. I feel film camera’s have less problems by far.. I am looking to purchase the NIkon D700, I think is is an outstanding camera.

  • BrokenToyShop

    This didn’t turn out so well.

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