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  1. IainOb1

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    Wanted to say hi all. I have just found this site and have been reading posts today.

    I am a D-90 owner that has been traveling with this camera for the last year and a half now.

    I’m thinking at the moment of trying my luck at wedding photography, maybe later down the line after I get sick of my travels. I recently purchased a few lenses to complete my dx kit although I could maybe do with a good quality portrait lense.

    So I think down the line I will purchase my self the nikon d700 replacement (what ever it is) as I think when it comes out I will be ready for the upgrade and then I have a good backup camera.

    'So anyone with a good list of lenses for wedding use would be good info.'

    It has been interesting reading some of the posts, some of which remind me of an old Billy Connelly sketch about when someone sides up to him and asks him if his camera is a B52. The sketch ends with him telling the guy to f' off. So the posts of D3x and D3s and DX and VX put a smile on my face.

    I’m using what kit I have as it suits what I am doing. I don't need to or want to lug a d3x around with me on my travels and also my bank account doesn't need one either.

    People seem to have the right idea about how to choose between Nikon and Canon. They look at both pictures using comparative lenses and they see which photos look the best for what they do. They pick Nikon because of the picture quality difference or style of quality ( contrast or handling of colour preferences) Then if the bank balance doesn't allow a Nikon they may choose a canon and then go online and bash Nikon for not being as good as canon while secretly crying over a Nikon catalogue.
    It always seems funny to me that that process almost gets lost once they start looking within a brand. mega pix comes into play and the highest ISO gets in there too. Some go into bragging rights just like the old pc boys. Although theirs is frames per second.

    I was always told to become good with what you have first and get what is right for the job. Even if that means buying a lower mp camera or lower iso rate camera.
    So I'm taking pictures all the time I can using my d-90, then when I’m getting as hot as a few of it's pixels and good pictures are flying out like manure of a shovel, then I will look at getting a camera that will be best suited to trying my stress levels at wedding photography.

    I’m one for not having video on my SLR it just doesn’t go in my opinion. It’s like trying to stare into your microwave and hoping to pick up SKY television. Holding a SLR up like a camcorder or handy cam just doesn’t work for me and trying to do any zooming while holding that square body isn’t good. So I would rather have the video taken out and the money either put into other things or just taken out all together.

    I picked the d-90 because of price range to shot quality. I looked at pictures taken with a canon side by side and liked the Nikon better. Nikon seems to deal with colour that little bit better in my opinion. When I buy my next camera I will do the same again and put other brands side by side and choose.

    So that’s my advice to anyone don’t just look at stats and specifications. Go get a hold of the thing see what works for you, look at picture quality against price rather than ISO and MP hunting, as you may be surprised of what works best for you. I know for some people extra ISO would be good but that is what suits them or the job they need to do.

    Good site, will be picking peoples brains later for wedding photography tips. I’m busy reading up about it at the moment and will get around to being a gopher for a photographer at some point to see if my heart can take the responsibility before diving in.
    Right I’m off the watch the 9 0’clock news on my new FX2000 VGH VRO DXC s version 2 2009 microwave, 1200w you know!

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  2. NikoDoby

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    Welcome to the forum lainOb1 and congratulations on posting the longest first post in the history of 4 EVAR,lol :^)

    My advice to you is to make sure you have a backup camera if your going to do Wedding photography. It's not as easy as buying a camera and two or three lenses and start charging for photos. Things always go wrong and if your not ready for when they do...look out.

    First go along with a "pro" shooter and help out as a second shooter, if you haven't already. Weddings can get stressful if you don't know what your doing.

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  3. bmxdad

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    NikoDoby said:
    Welcome to the forum lainOb1 and congratulations on posting the longest first post in the history of 4 EVAR,lol :^)

    My advice to you is to make sure you have a backup camera if your going to do Wedding photography. It's not as easy as buying a camera and two or three lenses and start charging for photos. Things always go wrong and if your not ready for when they do...look out.

    First go along with a "pro" shooter and help out as a second shooter, if you haven't already. Weddings can get stressful if you don't know what your doing.

    I second that, wow that was looonnng. Hi hang out here again and don't forget to post something in Photo-a-day

    Pete

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    Welcome to the forum, Iain. Photo.net has some pretty thorough guides, complete with interviews with some real wedding pros. Check some of them out here. There are lots of guides for other types of photography. Some are more helpful than others.

    Weddings are stressful things. Niko's right--have a second camera and probably a second photographer if you can help it. Start with people who won't sue you if the pictures don't turn out perfectly and make sure they don't have higher expectations than they should (I'm often joking on the forum, but I'm being dead serious here). I think Topic 6: Contracts will give you some good ideas about that.

    Good luck! I love shooting weddings. I even enjoy the stress and the mayhem. When else can you find models who will pay you big bucks to take pictures of them when they're spending more time getting ready than any other day of their life?

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    Hey, Lain. Been a long time since I shot any weddings, but I certainly agree with everyone else. Weddings are high stress. Two cameras are almost a must. Something seems to almost always go wrong. Also, a lot of people don't hire wedding planners, and they expect the photog to become the director of the event. Best not to get sucked into that, but you don't want to piss of the families by refusing to help. Anyone have that same experince shooting weddings, or is it just me?

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    warprints said:
    Also, a lot of people don't hire wedding planners, and they expect the photog to become the director of the event.

    Yeah, warprints, I've been there.
    "So, it's a half hour past when you said the reception was going to end. Are you guys going to cut the cake and do the bouquet toss?"
    "Yeah, should we do that now? We've never done this, you know." (I know.)
    It doesn't really bother me, though. And I've actually never had a bride that's hard to work with (knock on wood). I have met some mothers of the bride that are a different story.

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    Hi Lain, and welcome to the forum. Hope to hear about (and see) some of your travels soon.

    I know quite a few Nikon wedding shooters whose primary equipment is the D700, the 24-70mm, 70-200mm (also a great portrait lens), and two SB900 flash units making a very nice living. You also need a back-up camera, and plenty of memory cards no doubt. I have known wedding photographers who try and get away with not having to buy a back-up, but what is cheaper, the cost of a body, or the cost of losing a customer and the bad press to go along with it should your camera fail. If it is your livelyhood, don't be cheap.

    I understand comparing the look of photographs side by side, but if you are going to shoot weddings, your RAW software will have a huge impact on your color. The biggest reason I went with Nikon is their never ending support for the lenses versus Canon changing their mount like the average person changes their underwear, and Nikon's focusing system is incredible. Since I always shoot RAW, I know I'll always have the color I am looking for.

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    Welcome Lain and the best of luck with your wedding shooting plans. I personally avoid weddings and funerals like I do the H1N1 virus....for some reason I always equate the two ;^). I have of course garnered from the Pro's that the mother of the bride....if displeased....will hunt you down like a rabid dog! ;)

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    This has become the wedding thread.
    Dancer - luckily, I've yet to be hunted down by the mother of the bride .... but then again, I keep moving around, and with the witness protection program and all .......

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  10. IainOb1

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    Thanks for the reply's everyone.

    The wedding photography is just something I am thinking of for later. At the moment I am just enjoying getting back into my photography. I think it may be good for me later in life as I want to be able to work for myself doing something I enjoy after the next few years of travel. I'm in Korea at the moment teaching, and will probs be heading for Japan next. So I have the rest of Asia, trekking in Nepal, then around Europe and then America last, before heading back home to the UK with the newspaper I said I was popping out for. Don't worry I got the mother a fridge magnet from the airport she will be sweet.

    I had read about the d700 being a very good choice for weddings, so it would be interesting to see what the replacement turns up like. Dual cards would be good.

    I would defo have two cameras and a back up. I have already just got myself a SB900, which I have yet to play with.

    I will be going along with a pro first to see if I think I could handle the responsibility of capturing someones big day. Then if that's not for me I will be offering my services at the model railway exhibition as a photographer a little bit safer lol, although they do get a bit rough if you say N gauge is crap.

    I started on black and white film back at college, a good few years ago now, and it wasn't until I was at Uluru( Aires rock) in Australia, with just a point and click camera that I thought I should get myself a decent camera again. The guide we had was a photographer with all the gear. So as soon as I got to a big city a camera shop was first on my list. The day the pound shot up against the Aussie dollar I was there with my credit card.

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    Hey Lain. Good choice with the SB-900. The only problem I run into with it is that it gets hot...not too quickly, but when it does, it is nice to have a backup in a bag or on another camera you can use until it cools down. If you shoot burst frequently on a wedding, it will get hot much quicker than you may expect.

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    PBrigido said:
    Hey Lain. Good choice with the SB-900. The only problem I run into with it is that it gets hot...not too quickly, but when it does, it is nice to have a backup in a bag or on another camera you can use until it cools down. If you shoot burst frequently on a wedding, it will get hot much quicker than you may expect.

    Yes it will, unless you are brave and turn off the "over heat turn-off feature", I am saving up for one more, unless Nikon makes that Pro Nikon http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?id=596

    Pete

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  13. PBrigido

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    True, I fall into the cowardly category instead of brave. :)

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  14. jonnyapple

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    Iain, you crack me up. It's refreshing to get a little dry British humor here to complement alphanikonrex and NikoDoby, the two stooges. The OP had me laughing. It sounds like you've got adventures ahead of you. Good luck with all of that.

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    jonnyapple said:
    Iain, you crack me up. It's refreshing to get a little dry British humor here to complement alphanikonrex and NikoDoby, the two stooges. The OP had me laughing. It sounds like you've got adventures ahead of you. Good luck with all of that.

    Hi Jon, I kind of fell left out, every body at work thinks that I am a stooge also, something to do with my dislike for screaming mothers looking for that last Nikon projecting camera thing

    Pete

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  16. IainOb1

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    The SB900 has been given a flash update which is said to sort out some of the over heating issues.
    I have yet to get batteries for the thing yet, as everytime I go into one of the Korean shops and ask for batteries I come out with a pack of three condoms, must be a size thing.
    So I will get around to playing with the thing soon, to find out if it's as good a flasher as that guy that hangs around Hyde park on an evening, although his is not the size of my SB900.

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    jonnyapple said:
    It's refreshing to get a little dry British humor here to complement alphanikonrex and NikoDoby, the two stooges.

    Me, a stooge? LOL—let's get admin to change "senior member" to "senior stooge" for me ;^)

    Welcome to the forum lainOb1! We're gonna have a lot of fun here together :^)

    I have found that even photography is very stressful when you don't really have the right stuff, or a back-up camera. An hour before an event I was about to shoot at I released that my backup camera (D70) was having a shutter error, so I had to go to the event with my D300 only. And then of course the photographer hadn't really been planned in, so the lighting was terrible, flash was not allowed, and of course my lenses weren't quite up to the job (yeah, it's hard dealing with a $10 weekly allowance budget). So I find myself shooting at 1/30s for ƒ/4 at ISO 6400! I'm having enough trouble trying to get a good shot, and then it turns out that I'm "in-the-way" of the show. Great. Just great.

    I managed. I got some good shots. But I came home exhausted, stressed about the work ahead of me. I had taken 14GB of images (1k+ in RAW) and I only had a few GB's left on my computer. But that's another story. I worked it out, approximately 5% of what I shot was released, and that was the end of that.

    Not very fun. Exciting, but not fun.

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    bmxdad said:
    Hi Jon, I kind of fell left out, every body at work thinks that I am a stooge also, something to do with my dislike for screaming mothers looking for that last Nikon projecting camera thing

    Pete

    Pete, I just didn't know how you'd feel being categorized with Niko or how Niko would feel being categorized with you. Three stooges, then: alpha, Niko, and Pete. I meant no offense and good luck with those PJ point and shoots.

    alphanikonrex said:
    Me, a stooge? LOL—let's get admin to change "senior member" to "senior stooge" for me ;^)

    Welcome to the forum lainOb1! We're gonna have a lot of fun here together :^)

    I have found that even photography is very stressful when you don't really have the right stuff, or a back-up camera. An hour before an event I was about to shoot at I released that my backup camera (D70) was having a shutter error, so I had to go to the event with my D300 only. And then of course the photographer hadn't really been planned in, so the lighting was terrible, flash was not allowed, and of course my lenses weren't quite up to the job (yeah, it's hard dealing with a $10 weekly allowance budget). So I find myself shooting at 1/30s for ƒ/4 at ISO 6400! I'm having enough trouble trying to get a good shot, and then it turns out that I'm "in-the-way" of the show. Great. Just great.

    I managed. I got some good shots. But I came home exhausted, stressed about the work ahead of me. I had taken 14GB of images (1k+ in RAW) and I only had a few GB's left on my computer. But that's another story. I worked it out, approximately 5% of what I shot was released, and that was the end of that.

    Not very fun. Exciting, but not fun.

    Sounds like a nightmare, alpha. I'm glad you survived. I think you point out something important, though—one of the crucial things for 'successful' event photography is for both sides to have realistic expectations. Communication is key! If the client puts restrictions on the photographer, they need to know how that will affect the final product. As long as everyone knows the rules and is happy with them and their consequences, both parties are less likely to get upset. (BTW, this is also good marriage advice. Most problems come from unfulfilled expectations, so you'd better either be a good mind reader or keep communicating to know what's expected.)

    ...And I've gone off topic again. Sorry about that.

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    Alpha I have been there, done that, I volunteer for the "Alberta Sports Hall of Fame" and it is so great to meet formers Olympics, Pros in all fields, but I have been showing up and being presented with very difficult conditions. Like doing a very important group shot, dark, not enough room, but you think fast and use your skills and usually it works out. However next years nominations into "Alberta Sports Hall of Fame" I am going to do some better planning incl more space, better light and an extra assistant to help in position people in that group shot

    Thanks Jon now I don't feel left out anymore, you know it has always been the 3 stooges right ;>)

    Pete

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    jonnyapple said:
    Sounds like a nightmare, alpha. I'm glad you survived. I think you point out something important, though—one of the crucial things for 'successful' event photography is for both sides to have realistic expectations. Communication is key! If the client puts restrictions on the photographer, they need to know how that will affect the final product. As long as everyone knows the rules and is happy with them and their consequences, both parties are less likely to get upset. (BTW, this is also good marriage advice. Most problems come from unfulfilled expectations, so you'd better either be a good mind reader or keep communicating to know what's expected.)

    Oh yes, I definitely learned something! Luckily I haven't heard any complaints about the images, but I better be careful next time. Shooting for the school is difficult. You don't get paid (unless you count my free yearbook), you deal with terrible lighting and strict rules, and the second photographer is a 6th grader with a P&S! Very difficult situation. I've decided that's the last Talent Show I'm shooting till I get an ƒ/2.8 lens—until then they can use that 6th grader :^P

    bmxdad said:
    Alpha I have been there, done that, I volunteer for the "Alberta Sports Hall of Fame" and it is so great to meet formers Olympics, Pros in all fields, but I have been showing up and being presented with very difficult conditions. Like doing a very important group shot, dark, not enough room, but you think fast and use your skills and usually it works out.

    You're right, a photographer has to learn to think fast. Real fast. I did that when I had my camera on ISO 1600 and my shutterspeed read 1/8. I made a jump to 6400 seconds before the show started.

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    Wait until you get a job at the "Daily Bugle". Then you'll wish you were back in school shooting a talent show with a point & shoot!

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    IainOb1 said:

    I will be going along with a pro first to see if I think I could handle the responsibility of capturing someones big day. Then if that's not for me I will be offering my services at the model railway exhibition as a photographer a little bit safer lol, although they do get a bit rough if you say N gauge is crap.

    N Scale is way too small, and the details are easily breakable. Better use TT, or even HO (my preference), or S!!!

    Anyway, as said a fair time above... weddings (and people photography in general) can get very stressful, because unlike Model Trains, people are impatient, and may think you are winging it. Trust me, I know that from experience.

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    NikoDoby said:
    Wait until you get a job at the "Daily Bugle". Then you'll wish you were back in school shooting a talent show with a point & shoot!

    I have no idea what that is.

    On the other hand, I would love to get a job this summer working for the local newspaper! $ + experience = better equipment and future jobs :^)

    I wonder if they hire kids?

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    I guess you never heard of Spiderman neither :^(

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    NikoDoby said:
    I guess you never heard of Spiderman neither :^(

    Oh yeah that thing. But what does the Bugle have anything to do with it?

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