My $3 dollar pinhole camera gives me "pin point" sharp pictures every time. So in your face to both of you :^)
What is with these new Zeiss lenses and lacking AF
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NikoDoby said:
My $3 dollar pinhole camera gives me "pin point" sharp pictures every time. So in your face to both of you :^)You are suppose to help me out on this one,
I still have not really figured out how to get my pin hole cap lens to take shots that I like, have you joke aside
Pete
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Sorry Pete I'll go play on the other side of the sandbox then :^(
But really who cares how or with what a photo is made with. Just be happy with what you have and go take pictures. I grew up with manual focus cameras and loved using them but I'm not going to give up AF except maybe for a Nikon rangefinder!
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Pete you might be hearing the wrong voice ...wasnt arguing ...maybe I have a loud voice, am an Aussie (Oi Oi Oi) afterall, am here to have fun thats all, if I want a barney I'll go to dpr, too nice and personal here so you must listen to my voice again, am a nice fella would never want to be heard any other way.
I'm also waiting on a rangefinder, I was going to upgrade to a D700/800 but you cannot swing them around like the D90. This rangefinder rumour is likely the most premature decision I have ever made on anything, its like not visiting New Zealand because one day you know they will work out teleporting. At one point I was thinking that I should have gotten the Zeiss in M mount and used an adapter on the Nikon but I've had Leica before but Im having more fun with Nikon.
As for Niko's pinhole ...well maybe you can get an ointment or something, sounds painful.
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And you guys thought I was bad! :^)
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˙ǝsɹnoɔsıp ǝɹnʇnɟ ʎuɐ uı ǝɯ ɥʇıʍ ƃuınƃɹɐ ɯoɹɟ uıɐɹɟǝɹ ʎllnɟʇɔǝdsǝɹ puɐ ʎʇılıqɐsıp ɐ ƃuıʌɐɥ sɐ ǝɯ pɹɐƃǝɹ plnoɥs llɐ noʎ ʇɐɥʇ ǝlqɐuosɐǝɹun ʇı ʞuıɥʇ ʇuop ı
˙uoıʇɔɐɹǝʇuı lɐıɔos ʎuɐ uı ʇuǝɹɐddɐ sǝɯoɔǝq ʇɐɥʇ uoıʇısodsıp ǝʇɐunʇɹoɟun uɐ˙˙˙ poolq pǝʇɐuǝƃʎxo ɟo sǝɯnloʌ ɥƃıɥ pǝɟ ǝɹɐ suıɐɹq ɹno ǝɹoɟǝɹǝɥʇ puɐ uʍop ǝpısdn uoıʇɔunɟ oʇ pǝɹınbǝɹ ǝɹɐ ǝʍ ʇɐɥʇ sı ǝɔuǝnbǝsuoɔ snoıʌqo ǝɥʇ ɹǝpun uʍop sı ɐılɐɹʇsnɐ ǝsnɐɔǝq
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Welcome to the forum exit here....I never would have realized that my Sigma was inferior if you had not posted with you superior expertise.....I shall of course trash my Nikons tonight, because obviously unless clad in Zeiss, they are worthless.
I look forward to a link to your award winning photos taken with the Zeiss.!!
As my old Dad used to say AF this MF. ;^)
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exit here said:
ıo ıo ıo˙˙˙ ǝıssnɐ ǝıssnɐ ǝıssnɐ˙ǝsɹnoɔsıp ǝɹnʇnɟ ʎuɐ uı ǝɯ ɥʇıʍ ƃuınƃɹɐ ɯoɹɟ uıɐɹɟǝɹ ʎllnɟʇɔǝdsǝɹ puɐ ʎʇılıqɐsıp ɐ ƃuıʌɐɥ sɐ ǝɯ pɹɐƃǝɹ plnoɥs llɐ noʎ ʇɐɥʇ ǝlqɐuosɐǝɹun ʇı ʞuıɥʇ ʇuop ı
˙uoıʇɔɐɹǝʇuı lɐıɔos ʎuɐ uı ʇuǝɹɐddɐ sǝɯoɔǝq ʇɐɥʇ uoıʇısodsıp ǝʇɐunʇɹoɟun uɐ˙˙˙ poolq pǝʇɐuǝƃʎxo ɟo sǝɯnloʌ ɥƃıɥ pǝɟ ǝɹɐ suıɐɹq ɹno ǝɹoɟǝɹǝɥʇ puɐ uʍop ǝpısdn uoıʇɔunɟ oʇ pǝɹınbǝɹ ǝɹɐ ǝʍ ʇɐɥʇ sı ǝɔuǝnbǝsuoɔ snoıʌqo ǝɥʇ ɹǝpun uʍop sı ɐılɐɹʇsnɐ ǝsnɐɔǝq
OHH Exit remember to turn on your Ubside downside converter on your next post, this kind of came to our side of the world the wrong way LOL almost broke my neck trying to read it
Pete
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shutterdancer said:
Welcome to the forum exit here....I never would have realized that my Sigma was inferior if you had not posted with you superior expertise.....I shall of course trash my Nikons tonight, because obviously unless clad in Zeiss, they are worthless.I look forward to a link to your award winning photos taken with the Zeiss.!!
As my old Dad used to say AF this MF. ;^)
I dont think Sigma is inferior ...my reply to mb was balanced to what he had said, it was not my opinion ...it was retort.
This whole thread was about MF ...I would on no occasion suggest that zeiss is superior to anything, my only fault is that I use them, nothing more.Posted 3 years ago # -
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I don't think anyone doubts the quality of Zeiss glass. The debate is whether adding AF motors would have a negative impact on image quality? The Sony Zeiss lenses I've used are outstanding and they have all had AF.
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adamz said:
sorry for taking this thread back, but I'm still under huge impression of zeiss 100/2, below You will find a link with a direct comparison between this lens and Nikon 135/2, for me the results are very impressive LINKPS:
this page is in polish, but images speaks for themselvesSome of it rings true for me, the detail in the bokeh is the thing I saw 1st when looking at the nikon 85/1.4. I had one lined up to buy and was relying on the praise of the lens and the references to 'cream-machine'. The deal fell through and I was off chasing another when a whole thread of 85/1.4 bokeh pics were posted on dpr.
I was mortified, they were like fat rather than cream ...all artifacts in the backgrounds were rendered invisible and then someone posted a zeiss pic, I will see if I can find it. Was taken along the side of a car and showed the busy city street and lights in the distance, someone replied this bokeh was nervous but it was 100% consistent with the scene ...it was then I understood what a pixel peeper was.The diglloyd review is an amazing review, unfortunately it is also a problem ...its a pay for review so the audience is limited to paying customers only. The review is exhaustive and even includes multiple copies ...by the way the zf100 has the lowest manufacturing variation of all the zf line, I believe its design is explanation rather than just the QC. The review conclusion, the 100 is in a class of its own and is likely the best lens the author has ever handled. To find acceptance of this you will need to subscribe didlloyd.com
I might post it over at dpr to see if I can get some noise, not sure what to make of it yet, was there wine involved, was the 135 out of tolerence ...never can tell. The 135 is a tad too long for me ...I like the 100 and likely the 85mm FL too.
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NikoDoby said:
I don't think anyone doubts the quality of Zeiss glass.I have a stalker on dpr that tells me that all lens characteristics are rendered the same because they are digital. His reference is a Sigma 150.
Its funny (not really) but as soon as the name zeiss is raised you are abused for owning one and references to snobbery are common. The bloody things are cheaper than the Nikon trinity and are the only primes that match them ...DOES ANYONE HAVE THEIR BRAINS IN GEAR ....I said cheaper.
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You can call me a snob, but it's my next macro lens :) unless I find the 105vr in a really good price
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Oh dear ...pity some things are not lost in translation, the 1st paragraph for example ...
I never did the test and I will not do terribly tedious job. Photos of the tripod shown a big difference in focus, which in this dimension do not see every day in pictures. Maybe 135 is a lightweight FF, but a correction in the corps did not improved the situation. Manual could be better on the border of perception. I was at autofokusie.
All the jpg straight from the D700, D2X profile 2 with sharpness 6 taken from different distances for each lens, the staff were similar...
My favourite Google translation comrade was
Te z ręki, pełna dziura
These hand full of holeWhich I presume = hand held
I love it when someone says ...'I just did a little test'. Its like saying 'IMHO' ...you just know that both are going to be utter crap
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NikoDoby said:
I don't think anyone doubts the quality of Zeiss glass. The debate is whether adding AF motors would have a negative impact on image quality? The Sony Zeiss lenses I've used are outstanding and they have all had AF.I was seeking AF, but not from adding complex AF motors, just a simple slotted drive screw AF system is all I am after (like you have on your Nikon 50mm F1.8), it should be cheap and relative easy to add, most people interested in a Zeiss lens would properly shoot with a Nikon body that can operate such a AF lens
And if that was actual offered then Nikon users could tell the Canon guys, sorry guys but our version have AF too, yours not
Pete
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bmxdad said:
I wonder how Nikon figured out how to make their pin drive AF work on their $ 140 50mm lens, You can not tell me that would that difficult to make $1000+ Zeiss lens have a Nikon pin drive AF with an Off switch for the people that have to have no AF functionAt a minimum you need to add at least one helical gear set to accommodate the AF screw, which would necessitate (again at minimum) a new case.
More probably you would need to add multiple gears, the new case, and a redesign of the rear end mechanism on IF and large aperture lenses. Not that any of that is impossible, but comparing the cost of a (very) high volume lens to these teeny-tiny volume lenses is apples to oranges. Zeiss would have very little volume in which to recoup costs and therefore consumer cost for the change would likely be significant. (Which is why IF they did it it would not make sense to do it for Nikon and not Canon).
But that's beside the point. They're selling "The Zeiss Experience" which is not 100% the same as "The Zeiss Performance" and therefore aesthetic choices are a large (and important) part of their product.
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exit here said:
And to those that suggest MF on and AF lens ...try it yourselfDespite the venom of your post, there is a serious point here. MF lenses can have a tactile feel unavailable to AF lenses. Without the need for design-around-AF you can really grease the heck out of a MF gearset, giving a feel not found on many (any?) AF oiled (or dry lubricated) gearset.
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exit here said:
Do you want to qualify your 'caustic' word usage .... where do you see venom?What kind of forum is this ...???
Suddenly my D300 will not auto focus, now all my lenses are MF, what have you done to me Exit, I think I have been cursed ;^(
Pete
BTW How is the weather down under, one the other side of the planet we are getting some show
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bmxdad said:
Suddenly my D300 will not auto focus, now all my lenses are MF, what have you done to me Exit, I think I have been cursed ;^(That does not sound at all good Pete ...hope your lens plan is up to scratch for that replacement D700 ...mine is (grin).
bmxdad said:
BTW How is the weather down under, one the other side of the planet we are getting some snowIts warm but the real heat is yet to come, our fire season has already started 2 months early, the big fires last year started in plain view of my place, we watched it as a small scrub fire ...then suddenly the wind came up howling, it took off faster than I could ever believe and we watched it race down the valley. Your own fire policies in the US have changed as a result.
We now have a fire warning system (just turned on today) that calls our home and cell phones ...with a get the heck out message.
Is warm but we are in a good spot and have had 80mm of rain over the last week, the heatwaves tend to blow above and below us. Last week Adelaide was 41+(106F) and I hear North was not far off 50 (122F).
In the cities, the train tracks buckle ....
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exit here said:
That does not sound at all good Pete ...hope your lens plan is up to scratch for that replacement D700 ...mine is (grin).To be honest my D300 is fine, just trying to break the ice. Wow I do not think I could live at your place, I am not great with 40+ temps
BTW great picture, you really should post some more pictures in the photo-a-day, even shots of the fire, flames, smokes etc
Pete
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