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Wowwwww ! Nice video Nikodoby !
800 fps might be too much. 100 fps would be OK for me and filming of propellers to stop them from rotating backwards, being jerky, or even static at times.
Otherwise how about a 10000 Volts electrical shock when you try to take a picture with the horizon not level ? (I would have to wear gloves all the time ! :o)
PBrigido said:
I would love to see Nikon's VR technology built into the camera instead of the lenses. I know they will probably never do that just because they would lose tons of money from the lens aspect...but I can still dream!
You are probably aware that this would mean that you no longer get WYSIWYG in the viewfinder. Personally, I like the VR in the lens, because I can see how steady the picture gets. On the other hand, VR in the lens can only corect for pitch and yaw, while a VR at the sensor level can do pitch, yaw and roll compensation. For this reason, it would be nice if a future camera had roll correction at the camera level, but (in the spirit of the famous Nikon backward-compatibility) keep the pitch/yaw correction at the lens level.
@Recent Convert - Wasn't the advancement in the new Canon 100mm f/2.8 macro hybrid the fact that it cold compensate for roll? I could be mistaken, I don't keep nearly so close to Canon news as Nikon, but if so, it shows it's doable at the lens level.
Actually I wasn't aware. This is why I love NR.com. I can read stuff like that and learned me sumthin. Thanks Recent Convert! :)
Recent Convert said:
You are probably aware that this would mean that you no longer get WYSIWYG in the viewfinder. Personally, I like the VR in the lens, because I can see how steady the picture gets. On the other hand, VR in the lens can only corect for pitch and yaw, while a VR at the sensor level can do pitch, yaw and roll compensation. For this reason, it would be nice if a future camera had roll correction at the camera level, but (in the spirit of the famous Nikon backward-compatibility) keep the pitch/yaw correction at the lens level.
I agree I had a pentax K10 for a while, by far prefer the lens VR system, On Pentax I constantly taking pictures to see if the stabilizer actually worked. But if they could make a in body stabilizer that worked together with the lens VR system than I think we could have a winner, incl pitch/yaw correction
Pete
tai said:
@Recent Convert - Wasn't the advancement in the new Canon 100mm f/2.8 macro hybrid the fact that it cold compensate for roll? I could be mistaken, I don't keep nearly so close to Canon news as Nikon, but if so, it shows it's doable at the lens level.
Canon's "Hybrid IS" compensates for pitch (camera tilted up/down), yaw (turning camera left/right) and also (that's the new part) for lateral movement. This is obviously of interest to the macro-shooters (a field I am fairly ignorant about). What it does NOT DO is correction for camera roll, which is "turning the camera around the lens axis". A lot of beginners initiate roll movements when they press the release. I'm not a beginner, but I can see the value of roll-compensation . . .
Let's quickly rehash to principle of in-camera VR (or IS): if you pitch your camera up, you grab more "sky". The corrective lens (close to the mirror) get's pushed down, to correct for that, and put more "ground" on your sensor. The left/right mechanism works accordingly. The lateral compensation also shifts the corrective element, but the algorithm requires two motion sensors that look for sideways movement (somewhat trickier to do, because it requires precise inertia measurement, while tilting can be accurately sensed by gyroscopic effects, though Nikon does not use a gyro, it uses inertial measurement as well). If the camera gets twisted around the optical axis, shifting lenses will not compensate. Instead, the sensor needs to be counterrotated (Sony does that). The major drawback: sensor movement is not visible in the viewfinder, but it could be observed in life-view.
Would it be possible for a system to allow a 10-15% border and around which the image is continously digitally cropped within the border so that no internal motions need to occur? Granted you lose some image....but for a long focal length, it may be a nice feature. I don't even know if I properly stated my thoughts...so a translation may be needed to put it into more technical terms.
edit: What's more, you could have the option to control the amount of a border to have...essentially increasing or decreasing the amount of VR you have. The larger the border (or the smaller the picture) the larger the VR...and thus the more the image will be able to "bounce around" inside the border.
edit 2: In this scenario, all lenses would have VR abilities...including prime lenses. That would make for some really nice low light shooting.
Would it be possible for a system to allow a 10-15% border and around which the image is continously digitally cropped within the border so that no internal motions need to occur? Granted you lose some image....but for a long focal length, it may be a nice feature. I don't even know if I properly stated my thoughts...so a translation may be needed to put it into more technical terms.
edit: What's more, you could have the option to control the amount of a border to have...essentially increasing or decreasing the amount of VR you have. The larger the border (or the smaller the picture) the larger the VR...and thus the more the image will be able to "bounce around" inside the border.
edit 2: In this scenario, all lenses would have VR abilities...including prime lenses. That would make for some really nice low light shooting.
PS. I posted this exact message a few minutes ago...but it isn't allowing it to be seen. I think my messages are not being displayed by the spam filter sucks them up.
to the OP, AGREED!
Vari-angle live view is a must, I find myself in such awkward shooting situations (on the floor, on the grass, etc.). . .would love to shoot those shots with ease!
SD back up a must!!
And for the love of god, face tracking??!! Hello!! Just find the eyes and in mutli-point AF select it. . .
the rest I don't "need" but won't kill if I had. . .
@PBBrigido:
Phil, it's a good idea but computing will have to come a long way. It would involve taking multiple shots (imagine something like the 800 fps thing Niko posted) and then aligning them in camera before summing the signal to get the final image. Instead of having the border that gets automatically thrown away, though, you could have the camera autocrop the image to the best set of pixels (you might lose 1% or 10% of the image depending on how much the camera is moving). What I like most about this idea is that it's compatible with in-lens VR, so it could be part of a super-VR system that is only on pro cameras at first. Why pro only? Because you'd need some pretty amazing processors to align the images (even photoshop takes a long time with a pretty fast processor and a lot of RAM). But if you had hundreds of frames per second you could do it right now using photoshop to align the layers--that would just be really inefficient. It would be nice to have the camera put them together
How about this idea for taking the idea a bit further? Install in-camera gyros to track camera motion without a way to actually move the sensor like sensor-based image stabilization. Instead, using the data that the new gyros get during the exposure along with the lens data about lens focal length, you could figure out how the images should be aligned without actually running a processor-costly autocorrelation algorithm.
"My" video kinda brings up the fact that the camera used to make it (Casio EX-F1) can shoot HD video and take full res photos at the exact same time! It has separate video record and shutter release buttons. That's something I'd like to see on more DSLRs.
NikoDoby said:
"My" video kinda brings up the fact that the camera used to make it (Casio EX-F1) can shoot HD video and take full res photos at the exact same time! It has separate video record and shutter release buttons. That's something I'd like to see on more DSLRs.
Niko we are getting back to your old post Niko, about Integration of Video and Photo
http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?id=647
which BTW is a great idea and might just happen some day
Pete
@recent convert - thx confused yaw & roll.
Pitch black darkness shooting with no noise & absolute image quality :)
LOL:
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*Sensitivity equivalent to ISO 0
I am officially demanding batch raw processing and starring. I shot some stuff for my day job(design studio) on my D7000 (in Raw). Well apparently there is no camera raw update for Cs4 for that camera and I don't have view Nx here either...
Does the D7000 do the VERY basic in camera RAW processing of the FF models?
SkintBrit said:
Does the D7000 do the VERY basic in camera RAW processing of the FF models?
Yesish. While I've used the D3s and D700 alot I don't own them so I've actually never tried their raw processor. The D7000 has a robust raw processor but it converts the processed files to jpeg so I'm not sure of the full answer... I'm sure somebody knows around here though
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