If You follow the news Sony just announced couple new products, which bare (in theory at least) a significant impact on the whole camera market. Today we got:
- nex-6 - an inexpensive aps-c size mirror-less dslr with build in oled EVF - $999 - considering the price and size it's a direct competitor to Nikon v1
- rx-1 - FULL FRAME (24mpx) compact camera with fixed 35mm/f2 carl zeiss lens - $2800 - a holy grail for all photojournalists?
- nex vg-900 - FULL FRAME (24mpx) video camcorder with a more than bearable price-tag of $3300 - that's gonna be a direct competitor towards d800 (in the video market) and also it shows what Sony can do, as it's also the first device that uses the new E full frame mount... imagine nex-8 with full frame capabilities :)
New Sony announcements - what does it mean for Nikon shooters?
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Posted 8 months ago #
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the a99 is nice and i would get it... if i didnt have so much nikon glass ;)
i like the 35 1.8 OSS for nex... might get mex if its any good... welll we'll see how it compares against the 18.5 1.8 nikon 1
Posted 8 months ago # -
This is small because it is lacking a viewfinder which can be had for $600. And the $179 lens hood and $250 thumb grip. This fixed lens camera is over $3800.
Looks like Sony is doing it just so they can say they did. At the very least, the next version with the interchangeable lens may be a nice camera assuming Sony has found a way to get the camera to follow focus in rapid fire mode. I could not figure out if this has some type of semi transparent mirror, or if it uses the sensor image to focus.
I think I will just have to wait....for the new X Pro-1A :-)
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@msmoto - it's still cheaper than leica M9, a direct competitor considering the size of this camera.
@d400 - I haven't forgot the a99, IMHO it doesn't bring anything new to the game, at least not at the price it brings
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@ adamz.... yeah, but it lacks that red dot :-) I think at the price of $3800 for a fixed lens, the folks buying this are possibly in the same league as those who can have an M9...or M10. And with only one lens...just too much. Regarding the size, my old Canon 7 was small, but like a Leica, had a viewfinder built in.
The impressive part is the full frame sensor with native ISO of 25,000.... if this really works, wow...
Posted 8 months ago # -
it will be impressive if the af is impressive. otherwise it will not.
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be impressivePosted 8 months ago # -
Just curious, why did Sony go with the full frame E mount? Would it mean that it's incompatible with older Sony lenses?
That really is an impressive product announcement!
Kudos to Sony.
Posted 8 months ago # -
Many people with large amounts of disposable income will buy the RX1, whether they shoot Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Sigma, Samsun, Sony or Olympus. They'll buy it to have it, to brag they have it, to make other jealous, to shoot their cats. I hope they have fun with it and I'll hope to hit the lottery this Saturday. ;-)
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- nex-6 - an inexpensive aps-c size mirror-less dslr with build in oled EVF - $999 - considering the price and size it's a direct competitor to Nikon v1
Ehhh just another mirror-less camera. There are better performing IQ than the V1 already and it has held it's own- kind of. I do think Nikon needs at least a DX mirror-less system in the next couple of years to keep up. If they are smart, they will find a way to keep the F-mount. I believe the first company to do that and not make something ugly and odd as hell as Pentax did, will pick up sales like crazy with existing customers.
- rx-1 - FULL FRAME (24mpx) compact camera with fixed 35mm/f2 carl zeiss lens - $2800 - a holy grail for all photojournalists?
At that price and the 35mm limit, I don't think it is the holy grail, but dang close. Fun to see and dream about it - nightmare to add those $ signs up.
The holy grail would be a FX interchangeable and released a 25mm f2.8, 35mm f2, 50mm f1.2, 50mm f1.4, & a 90mm f4. If Fuji would fix their AF (sad to hear that is sounds like it is the lenses and not the body that is the problem) they would have me selling a bunch of stuff for it. Oly with the OMD-E M5 got it right with the stabilizer and better video - shame it is a m4/3rds. I think the steeple race is on for this mountain and get AP and Reuters to approve of them. I do wish I could find that list again.
- nex vg-900 - FULL FRAME (24mpx) video camcorder with a more than bearable price-tag of $3300 - that's gonna be a direct competitor towards d800 (in the video market) and also it shows what Sony can do, as it's also the first device that uses the new E full frame mount... imagine nex-8 with full frame capabilities :)
We have been waiting for this to happen and in the last couple of years these are finely starting to flow out. After seeing how much the "rig" add-ons cost, I think many will love to have one of these instead of a camera. A long time ago I said video in cameras will be huge, until something like this is released, then it will become just an afterthought or for some journalists. I believe this will be the turning point of that path to happen.
Hats off to Sony - they said they wanted to be #1 in this realm (everyone says that though) and they are putting their mighty development dollars behind it. They are building some very good systems for sure and are catching up fast. Now if they could only get the sound of the shutter to sound right they might actually move up! ;)-
Posted 8 months ago # -
@ TaoTeJared... maybe Nikon is actually putting some effort towards an APS-C mirrorless which will have the "F" mount? And, maybe that is why the D400 has been so slow to arrive....more development into the cropped sensor mirrorless....
I think you are correct about the "holy grail" being a mirrorless with an FX D4 or D800 like sensor, excellent focus in continuous servo mode, and an electronic viewfinder which is instantaneous and accurate and "F" mount.
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msmoto said:
@ TaoTeJared... maybe Nikon is actually putting some effort towards an APS-C mirrorless which will have the "F" mount? And, maybe that is why the D400 has been so slow to arrive....more development into the cropped sensor mirrorless....I think you are correct about the "holy grail" being a mirrorless with an FX D4 or D800 like sensor, excellent focus in continuous servo mode, and an electronic viewfinder which is instantaneous and accurate and "F" mount.
I seriously doubt we will see a F-mount mirror-less. It is the flange distance that adds the size, and when you can get more money from selling different lenses, why not? That's business.
Now if they released something like Oly, say a FM2n DX style camera, I would snatch that thing up and be fine with the D400 going away for that. If it was F-mount, rugged, weather sealed, I would pay $2000 for that at a drop of a hat. If I went a different route, that is how much it would end up costing me anyway and probably $1,000 more after getting fast lenses.
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I like the RX1 although at $2800, it's kinda steep. It does look like Sony wants to challenge Fuji's X series though. Although not sure what this will mean for Nikon. I'm really not that familiar with Sony's offerings after all and don't know anyone who shoots them save for the odd P&S's.
One question though. What happened to XQD?
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NSXType-R said:
Just curious, why did Sony go with the full frame E mount? Would it mean that it's incompatible with older Sony lenses?NSX, I think E mount is Sony's standard NEX mount except all they've only releases APS-C lenses on it so far and thus it's a new "full frame" E mount.
Posted 8 months ago # -
Can someone explain what the difference of the E-mount is? I can't find "Jack" on it that it is something vastly different than what they have now.
iris chrome said:
I like the RX1 although at $2800, it's kinda steep. It does look like Sony wants to challenge Fuji's X series though.People keep saying that they are taking a run at the X-series, but that is not remotely true. If you take a run at something in business, you don't start by raising the price by 2.5x times! This is something entirely new - Sony and the rest of the industry knows it.
At this price, you are talking about a steep premium for a one-focal length camera. It's hard to even make that a back-up or a second unit. I do have to say though, I do use my X100 many times with my D800 as my 2nd. FF body with a 35mm 1.4 would be more.
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TaoTeJared said:
Can someone explain what the difference of the E-mount is? I can't find "Jack" on it that it is something vastly different than what they have now.From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_E-mount:
"The E-mount is a lens mount designed by Sony for their New E-mount Experience (NEX) series of camcorders and mirrorless cameras.
Initially this mount is implemented in Sony Alpha NEX-3 and NEX-5. E-mount integration into Sony camcorder products is provided with the Sony Handycam NEX-VG10."The article also lists the NEX-VG900 as "E-mount (A-mount per LA-EA3)." So perhaps it's a full frame E-mount that can accept their alpha lenses?
TaoTeJared said:
People keep saying that they are taking a run at the X-series, but that is not remotely true. If you take a run at something in business, you don't start by raising the price by 2.5x times! This is something entirely new - Sony and the rest of the industry knows it.Maybe you're right but the X series has always struck me as a niche market camera where pricing was secondary (or even tertiary) to the camera features and the RX1 does seem to be targeting that same market albeit at a higher price. Maybe I'm wrong but Sony could be preempting Fuji by going full frame first. Just a thought.
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The LA-EA3 is their adapter that lets you put A-mount lenses on an e mount body. There are inexpensive adapters for F-mount lenses to mount on the e mount, as well, but as far as I know none allow autofocus.
Iris gave a good description, but let me add my two cents. The e mount is a mirrorless mount, which removes the retrofocus requirements of some SLR lenses (short focal length, mainly). I don't think they've taken advantage of that too much, though, and the lenses so far have been mostly more bulky than they need to be. This latest round of announcements is going to finally fix some things. I'm thinking the new pancake 16-50 is going to be awesome, and there are a few leica primes that look interesting.
This is probably a good place to mention that with all the hype on the D600, I totally missed the NEX-6 announcement. I think my D600 savings are going to take a $500 hit as I upgrade my NEX-5N this holiday season. It has the 2MPx electronic viewfinder with 1.09x magnification from the NEX-7, built-in wifi, an overhaul of the controls, and the addition of a standard flash hotshoe. I'll miss the touch screen but I think I'm in love!
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iris chrome said:
Maybe you're right but the X series has always struck me as a niche market camera where pricing was secondary (or even tertiary) to the camera features and the RX1 does seem to be targeting that same market albeit at a higher price. Maybe I'm wrong but Sony could be preempting Fuji by going full frame first. Just a thought.
Fuji could be working on new FF X-series camera:
http://www.petapixel.com/2012/09/21/fujifilm-may-already-be-working-on-a-full-frame-camera-for-the-x-series-lineup/Don't want to say I said so but I did : )
Posted 7 months ago # -
iris chrome said:
NSX, I think E mount is Sony's standard NEX mount except all they've only releases APS-C lenses on it so far and thus it's a new "full frame" E mount.I think I got confused with all the announcements. I think I got it right now- Sony now has a FF E mount mirrorless video camera, the VG-900.
So... I guess Sony has FF mirrorless in their sights too.
The E mount got really confusing, now it covers APS-C and FF.
Posted 7 months ago # -
E mount is just the mount spec. There are DX and FX F mount lenses, so it's no more confusing than Nikon's standard.
Now how they are going to make full frame lenses with that mount will be fun to watch. I'm interested to see what kind of quality they give even though I never see myself getting one. As it is I'm looking for smaller lenses (hence the plan for the NEX-6 upgrade).
Posted 7 months ago # -
iris chrome said:
Fuji could be working on new FF X-series camera:
http://www.petapixel.com/2012/09/21/fujifilm-may-already-be-working-on-a-full-frame-camera-for-the-x-series-lineup/Don't want to say I said so but I did : )
When I read the Petapixel story I knew someone got it wrong and was written by someone who really hadn't followed the Fuji X systems. Fuji on their site, videos, press releases all were talking about designing specific DX lenses for the system that could meet the higher demands of the more dense sensors of the DX format in the future.
Now what would be fun to see is a new Fuji Medium format GA645zi type of camera.
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TaoTeJared said:
debunked
http://photorumors.com/2012/09/21/fuji-now-claims-their-xf-lenses-cannot-cover-a-35mm-sensor-sony-and-panasonic-full-frame-cameras-are-possible/When I read the Petapixel story I knew someone got it wrong and was written by someone who really hadn't followed the Fuji X systems. Fuji on their site, videos, press releases all were talking about designing specific DX lenses for the system that could meet the higher demands of the more dense sensors of the DX format in the future.
Now what would be fun to see is a new Fuji Medium format GA645zi type of camera.
Yes, I thought that would be weird. The lenses would need to be pretty large in order to be forwards compatible with FF cameras.
Interesting to note, there has yet to be a mirrorless FF camera. Perhaps Panasonic will step up to the plate? But I think Sony might be eying it, because they seem to have every type of camera catering to every demographic of photographers. Considering that they have a FF mirrorless video camera, they technically have FF mirrorless lenses available or in planning.
Posted 7 months ago # -
In rethinking the original topic of this thread... my suspicions are that all the manufacturers are going strong on the development of some revolutionary camera, which will be possible to create in a P & S model, and with the various bells and whistles in a full pro model. Nikon developed the SLR and it just about killed Leica. And Nikon has been a leader ever since. The next big advancement IMO is that we will see the disappearance of the mirror, through some sort of electronic focus/viewfinder imaging technique, and that this will be the pro camera of the future. This is only my opinion, but it seems the logical direction to take, as the only real problem in the SLR is the fact the mirror must go up to take a photo and then come down to focus, then repeat itself. If this process can be accomplished with the same accuracy electronically, there is no reason to have a mirror. And, the Sony announcements all are about the move toward this end. Nikon is not going to just stand around and watch.
Posted 7 months ago # -
Okay, I'll say it, msmoto. You should buy an NEX-6 with me. Just ask Adamz about the NEX-5 handling—they really did think those cameras through well. I was infatuated with them from their announcement, and this NEX-6 has the potential to fix every complaint (mostly minor ones, but the missing electronic viewfinder as standard was one of them).
Nikon has been pretty much setting the bar for on-sensor autofocus. I'm really impressed with the AF of the Nikon 1 cameras. The capabilities of the 1" sensor that admin just posted on the main blog are pretty impressive, but I wish they had gone with APS-C for their mirrorless format. Oh well, in the meantime the NEX-6 will do nicely...
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