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The Water Droplet Thread

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  • Started 3 years ago by NikoDoby
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  1. NikoDoby

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    Since no one has actually started a separate thread to discuss how they achieved photographing droplet's in mid...drop, I'll start it for you guys. I don't have any of my own to share but I'd like to see more examples from our members so we can freely discuss this technique without "hijacking" the photoaday thread. I hope this thread will inspire others to try it for themselves.

    Feel free to be as detailed as you like with your set up, etc. If you guys want to you can repost your photos here again from the photoaday thread. It would be nice to see them all in one place together. In the mean time here are a few examples that started the droplet "challenge" :^)

    http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?id=806&page=4#post-12852
    http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?id=806&page=5#post-12931
    http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?id=806&page=5#post-12953
    http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?id=806&page=5#post-12988
    http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?id=806&page=6#post-13209

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. jonnyapple

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    Well, I have to say I like PB's better but I'll say how I took mine, anyway. I had a saucer of water on a piano bench and a kids tylenol syringe to drip the water (this wasn't ideal--I like PB's ziploc bag of water dripping idea). I used a remote release and shot at 6 frames per second on my D300. Light was from a softbox placed behind the saucer from the camera (it's the bright white background in the picture).

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. Master_Shake

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    PB showed how he's getting the shots. Why did you buy the SU-800 for controlling the SB-900? Is the pop-up flash as controller not powerful enough or is it leaking too much light at the macro ranges?

    If it is leaking too much light did you ever try putting an IR filter over the pop-up?

    I want to get into CLS, but it feels like a waste to buy a SU-800 to use on a 100 series body.

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  4. bmxdad

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    I like this picture, I might actually try this but what if you added a strong reflective color just to the right or left or even color the softbox light

    What was your camera settings

    Pete

    BTW Jonny what part of Utah are you from?? Like I mentioned in the other Thread you sure live in one of the best places on this planet to take pictures

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  5. jonnyapple

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    Yeah, even the D90 does CLS through the pop-up, Shake. I'm curious why he used the SU-800.
    Mine was a third-party strobe (alien bees B400) connected through the camera's PC sync output. The camera was set at 1/250 and f/13 at 86mm (a Tamron 70-200 2.8). Color would be fun, Pete. Maybe next time I feel like having my wife make fun of me for spending an hour setting up for a shot...

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  6. bmxdad

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    I might spend some time today with my son, we tried before, but it newer really worked out right, my son is only 9 but is getting better at understanding what light is doing

    One of his shots having fun with light

    1b

    Pete

    Sorry for going off topic

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  7. jonnyapple

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    I'm assuming that's a model. That's impressive, Pete.

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  8. bmxdad

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    jonnyapple said:
    I'm assuming that's a model. That's impressive, Pete.

    Yes it is a model and he was shooting different toys in my light tent with a flash on the outside. I was helping a bit to help him adjusting aperture on his D80 and to show him what happens when you move the flash closer or away from the tent. most shots where overexposed until he noticed what happened from adjusting F stops and moving the Vivitar 285HV(either 1/4 or 1/16 power) flash away a bit. The plastic bike was his best picture, I like the way the light has exposed it

    Pete

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  9. heartyfisher

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    D70 1/8000 sec shutter speed! 18-200vr with 3 flashes. the popup flash triggering 2 flashes left and right.

    I used a clear bowl and put it under a fawcett with a high spout and then adjusted the flow so that it dripped. Then setup as described above and tried to time the shutter for each drop.

    Oh the back ground was really boring till I found a multicoloured plastic feather duster which I put behind the bowl.

    The flash trigger was the old sensor type that has a hotshoe where you put an old flash on and would trigger when there was another flash. No magic CLS was used. Had to adjust the aperture by trial and error.

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  10. wind

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    My attempt from a while ago:

    DSC_0375

    Would've been nicer to have it frozen without the blur though. I think it was a bowl underneath a tap on the kitchen sink lol.

    Will have to try again.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  11. alphanikonrex

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    I posted this on the photo-a-day a while back.

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  12. jonnyapple

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    Pete, I grew up in Logan and my mom's parents live in southeastern Utah near Moab. Right now I'm a grad student (physics) at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City.

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    Hey another local (for me at least), I live in Utah county. I didn't think there would be anybody in my area here on [NR].

    These drop photo's are awesome. I need to try them myself, after all I did just get my 3rd SB-600! lol

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  14. PABrigido

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    I'll "drop" some of my techniques here shortly. My wife and I have an open house tomorrow and we've been busy getting all set for it. Until then, here is one for ya.

    DSC_3819

    DSC_4112

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  15. jonnyapple

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    That is so cool, PB. I'm guessing the drop had green color and the pool had red. Or is it colored at the light source? Thanks for writing up a guide.

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  16. alphanikonrex

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    Beautiful!

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  17. PBrigido

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    Phil’s water drop technique

    Well here is my method of photographing water drops in motion. Let be first say that patience is a much needed asset for this process. I’ll start with my setup. I typically have my camera mounted to a tripod. I use my D700 (using between 5000-8000 shutter speed and between 10-30 aperture) with the 105mm macro lens set on manual focus mode. It allows you to get close to the image yet stay far enough away from it. In the picture below, I have altered a few things.

    Setup

    The first thing that was altered in the picture above is the method by which the drops are released. I used a plastic bag with a very small hole in one corner. After trying this, it yielded too small of a droplet falling and the impact was not “explosive” enough when coming into contact with another object (mainly water). I changed the bag of water to a 2x4 with a hole big enough to get an eye dropper through.

    The second thing I changed was the location of my remote SB-900 flash. I noticed that the greater the angle, the more the light penetrated below the surface of the water, capturing the color, texture, and appearance of the bottom of the water basin you are using. From the picture, I moved the flash to the surface level of the stove, keeping it an inch or two above the surface level of the water. This allowed me to “skip” the slight off of the surface of the water.

    The third thing I changed was the elevation of my camera. I tried to keep it slightly higher than the flash, so when the flash triggered, it didn’t shoot directly into the lens.

    The fourth thing was changed is the water in the basin. Even though changing the elevation of the flash to narrow the reflection off of the water, I was still getting some light penetrating below the surface of the water. I added just a bit of milk to the basin to eliminate the problem. The total amount of milk added was right about ¼ of a cup…just enough to cloud the water, but not enough to make the water drops opaque once they rebounded up from the impact of the drop. I still wanted light to penetrate through the drop with a sort of translucent effect. Notice in the below example how the water drop itself is 100% clear, but the rebounding water from the basin is slightly cloudy.

    DSC_3508

    The 5th thing I changed…well, added, was a remote trigger for my camera. I noticed that when I tried to shoot by using the normal trigger on my D700, it would ever so slightly change the positioning of the camera. With the 105mm macro lens in manual mode, even the slightest change to its focus would result in a blurry image

    The 6th thing I changed is the cans. I really don’t like beans, so I swapped them out for a more tasty selection of pie filling. This however, is best determined by the personal taste of the photographer.

    Outside of those alterations, I have found the optimal height from which to drop the water into the pan was between 12-24 inches. Anything lower than 12 inches didn’t have enough mass to displace sufficient amounts of water to get a rebound column for the next drop to collide into. Anything greater than 24 inches created more of a movement of water away from the impact area…creating more of a crater effect. See below.

    DSC_3002

    Through many trial and error shots, I have found the hardest thing to achieve is the actual releasing of drops with the proper spacing. The goal is to have 2 drops falling. By the time the first one hits and rebounds to create a water column, the next drop is right behind to impact with the top of the column. If it goes as planned, you will get a shot like this (or some variation of it).

    DSC_3819

    The other hard part is the timing of when to shoot the shot. Depending from how high the drop falls, I generally tried to take the shot almost immediately after the 2nd drop was on its way down. I will say that you may have the perfect setup, but just getting the feel of releasing the drops and triggering the camera to take a shot can be the most frustrating part of the entire process.

    Lastly, adding one color to the water basin and another color to the eye dropper gives you the ability to go in after the shot is done and do a bit of PP to the image to either enhance or change the colors.

    Before PP
    DSC_3338

    After PP
    Make an Impact

    My word of advice, be patient. Getting the shot you are looking for may take a while since the window of opportunity is so narrow. The best part about this whole process is that depending on the user, the results can vary greatly. I have enjoyed looking at each persons shots, they are all unique and bring a very different feel from one image to the next.

    Feel free to use my technique or one completely different. But don’t stop posting photos, water drop ones or not…there is a wide variety of talent here. I love enjoying what everyone brings!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  18. bmxdad

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    Thanks Phil for sharing, I am going to try this with my Son

    Pete

    BTW your shot are some of the best that I have seen

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  19. PBrigido

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    Anytime Pete! Just let me know if you have any problems.

    Happy shooting! :)

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  20. bmxdad

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    PBrigido said:
    Anytime Pete! Just let me know if you have any problems.

    Happy shooting! :)

    You know you above tip should be posted in the Nikon Wiki Section:

    Maybe a "how to shot water drops"

    This way I can go back and find and maybe other poster could post their way of doing it also

    Pete

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  21. PBrigido

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    I think I may have to do that!

    I was actually browsing the web and stumbled on this. Talk about taking water drop shots to the next level!

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  22. NikoDoby

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    That video is very neat. Especially the difference between shallow and deep water. You should sue them for copying your water droplet pictures ;^) I have to admit I'm curious to try this but my wife wouldn't like me cluttering up the stove like that Phil :^(
    She keeps me away from the stove at all cost ever since I burned my cornflakes one morning!

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  23. PBrigido

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    lol Niko! I feel your pain. Fortunately, my wife is a nurse and works only night shift. I typically get a few hours after she leaves for work so I can have my way with the stove.

    I am looking forward to tonight. This video gave me some ideas to try...I am curious to see the results!

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  24. NikoDoby

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    She'll be happy if this is the worst you sneak around and do when she's not around :^)

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  25. PBrigido

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    Very true! I like your perspective!! :)

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