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Leica M9

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  • Started 3 years ago by shutterdancer
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  1. soap

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    I think an advantage Leica has here (in convincing well-off people to unload their cash) is that the M9 is just the next step in their line of cameras. There is no reason to believe Leica is going to abandon their rangefinder system, no reason to believe they will ever break backwards-compatibility.

    Nikon has a better track record than Canon, sure, but any rangefinder from them at this stage in the game will either be a totally new lens mount OR a return to a long-forgotten one.

    I believe many consumers would be wary of spending that much on a new system without the track record Leica offers.

    I don't see a way for Nikon to compete w/o being labeled "the poor-man's Leica" - even if the accusation is unjust.

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  2. soap

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    Whoa double-post. Sorry. Delete me.

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  3. shutterdancer

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    soap...I can get on board with you on that one....It would probably be stupid for Nikon to try and compete with Leica on a rangefinder....if they priced above Leica, they would be arrogant...and if they priced below....they would be cheap.

    And priced at $7000.00 same ol' same ol'

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  4. NikoDoby

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    I disagree. Leica and Nikon were competitors for many years and no one thought of Nikon's rangefinders as cheap versions or wannabe Leicas. In fact, regardless of it being "cheaper", a digital Nikon SP would be Viagra for a lot of us old film dudes :^)

    And thanks for your comments Shutterdancer. Laughter heals the soul.

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  5. ted2001

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    You are right Soap, most of those I know buying M-9s are already deeply involved with Leica. The return to the long forgotten lens mount of my choice is the Contax G. The Zeiss (yes, made by Cosina, except for the Hologon) lenses were terrific. Small, not too expensive and optically superior to almost anything but Leica and Nikon's best. They are rangefinder designs made for autofocus and automation.

    The M-9 territory is not Nikon's. Their best chance would be to split the competition and go against the Canon G-11/EP1 with an APS-C sensor, more limited zoom range and charge $750.

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  6. shutterdancer

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    I hear ya Niko....just let Nikon release one, and the chips can fall where they fall.If your afraid to take chances...you never know what might happen....kinda like photography ;>)

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  7. NikoDoby

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    Kinda like making a camera with a built-in projector!

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  8. shutterdancer

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    "Kinda like making a camera with a built-in projector! " LOL,..talking about getting your priorities strait.

    I wish that we could have some die hard Leica users weigh in on this one. Like I said when I started this post....I have absoutely nothing against Leica...I just really want to know what warrants the extremely high price tag!!

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  9. shutterdancer

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    Also,I won't offend them by saying that they can't do a 1000 mile an hour drive by landscape shot out of their car window with everything remaining in perfect focus......JOKE...JOKE JK. See Dpreview for details.

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  10. adamz

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    "Kinda like making a camera with a built-in projector!"

    Was someone actually using the new coolpix with the projector? I wonder, how good it is?

    as for APS-C rangefinder, well $1.5k should be a reasonable price, if they manage to get the IQ from d3 :)

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  11. NikoDoby

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    I know the thread your talking about Shutterdancer. I was surprised how everyone turned on Thom Hogan for that one.

    I unfortunately am skeptical about Leica's foray into digital ever since the M8 disaster. The M9 is going in the right direction but image quality wise (sensor) I'm not 100% convinced yet. I'll know more when it actually starts shipping out to all the beta tester, I mean people, who pre-ordered one. I'd much rather put my money in a Nikon "M9" with a D3S sensor! :^)

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  12. adamz

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    can You guys bring up some more details, I don't follow dpreview

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  13. soap

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    I'd really like to know some hard figures on how much resolving power is lost doing software AA vs hardware AA. I totally dig where Leica has gone by not incorporating a hardware AA filter, but am curious as to the downside.

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  14. [NR] admin

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    ok, I will confess - I have sold some Nikon equipment to buy a Leica M9. I am not there yet (money wise).

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  15. NikoDoby

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    adam the dpreview post Shutterdancer is referring to was in the Leica forum. A member took a picture of a barn on a hillside with an M9. He said he was in a moving car doing about 75mph/120kph and he just stuck his hand out the window without looking and took a "snap shot" of the barn. The photo he posted was "perfect" with no blurring and a perfectly "filtered" sky and foreground and a straight horizon.

    TH stepped in and said there was no way that the photo was taken with an M9 at that speed without getting any blur, "filtered" sky, straight horizon, etc. The original poster later admitted that the photo was retouched (sky, colors) but was adamant he took it with an M9 while in a speeding car by just sticking his hand out the window.

    The thread turned into a TH "hate" and extensive techno babble fest. After they calm down "attacking" TH posters started "attacking" the original poster saying how irresponsible he was for driving while taking pictures!

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  16. NikoDoby

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    Blasphemy admin! This is the only forum I read because I'm such a loyal Nikon user ;^)

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    NikoDoby said:
    Blasphemy admin! This is the only forum I read because I'm such a loyal Nikon user ;^)

    Well, I haven't "sinned" yet.

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  18. NikoDoby

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    admin said:
    Well, I haven't "sinned" yet.

    My Spidey senses seem to be telling me otherwise ;^)

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    NikoDoby said:
    adam the dpreview post Shutterdancer is referring to was in the Leica forum. A member took a picture of a barn on a hillside with an M9. He said he was in a moving car doing about 75mph/120kph and he just stuck his hand out the window without looking and took a "snap shot" of the barn. The photo he posted was "perfect" with no blurring and a perfectly "filtered" sky and foreground and a straight horizon.

    TH stepped in and said there was no way that the photo was taken with an M9 at that speed without getting any blur, "filtered" sky, straight horizon, etc. The original poster later admitted that the photo was retouched (sky, colors) but was adamant he took it with an M9 while in a speeding car by just sticking his hand out the window.

    The thread turned into a TH "hate" and extensive techno babble fest. After they calm down "attacking" TH posters started "attacking" the original poster saying how irresponsible he was for driving while taking pictures!

    Wow, talk about insane. :D

    In any case, I wouldn't get a Leica either. First, there's no way in hell I can afford one, even the X1 is for the price of some seriously good glass for my D40.

    And don't even get my started with the Leica S2 mega super expensive medium format DSLR. The battery itself I think is $500.

    And even if Nikon made an interchangeable lens rangefinder, I probably wouldn't buy it because I'd need to invest in even more lenses.

    A high end fast lens compact- maybe. But it better not be more than $300, because when you get close to $500, that also could be a lens purchase for me.

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  20. ted2001

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    S-2 body and 4 lenses with copal shutters = $50,000. About the same as an E-350 Mercedes. Both German though... I think I can picture myself in the Mercedes first.

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    ted2001 said:
    S-2 body and 4 lenses with copal shutters = $50,000. About the same as an E-350 Mercedes. Both German though... I think I can picture myself in the Mercedes first.

    While your holding an M9 out the window as you drive while taking "snap shots"!

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  22. ted2001

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    Good idea Niko, but it's easier through the sun roof. Maybe I'll let my wife drive... no, I'll drive and take pictures too.

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    NikoDoby said:
    adam the dpreview post Shutterdancer is referring to was in the Leica forum. A member took a picture of a barn on a hillside with an M9. He said he was in a moving car doing about 75mph/120kph and he just stuck his hand out the window without looking and took a "snap shot" of the barn. The photo he posted was "perfect" with no blurring and a perfectly "filtered" sky and foreground and a straight horizon.

    TH stepped in and said there was no way that the photo was taken with an M9 at that speed without getting any blur, "filtered" sky, straight horizon, etc. The original poster later admitted that the photo was retouched (sky, colors) but was adamant he took it with an M9 while in a speeding car by just sticking his hand out the window.

    The thread turned into a TH "hate" and extensive techno babble fest. After they calm down "attacking" TH posters started "attacking" the original poster saying how irresponsible he was for driving while taking pictures!

    thanks niko, wish I were on that conversation. I have to agree with TH, impossible to have everything in perfect sharpens if You drive that fast. I guess some people will do everything they can, just to prove that their cameras are better than others.

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  24. NikoDoby

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    PDN has a "review" of the M9.

    Pros: Much improved image quality over the M8, Light and stealthy.

    Cons: "Flimsy" On/off switch easy to move accidentally, High ISO noise only use if
    you convert to B&W, poor LCD, You can only use up to 2gb SD cards, Time
    consuming to change memory cards (remove/replace base plate)

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  25. NSXType-R

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    WTF?

    No SDHC? My lowly D40 happily accepts SDHC.

    Mega fail.

    Posted 3 years ago #

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