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I am not starting this post to knock Leica, because their cameras are "LEGEND",but REALLY, my first SLR was a Yashica Electro35....an extremely good camera in it's day for just shy of a couple hundred bucks American.
My question....Is a manual focus rangefinder camera...sans all the refinements of recent DSLR's really worth $7000.00 bucks? I don't think so......but,
I am open to having my mind changed.
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guys, what have You been taken recently ? :)
but seriously, for some kinds of photography m9 is a really great tool - reportage for example. basically rangefinders are good if You need to be discrete on one hand, and can't compromise on picture quality.
But $8000USD worth of discretion? I guess that's why the EP1 type cameras are getting so much coverage. They offer the same kind of discretion at a way lower price!
Oh and I guess I'm still just hung over from the Halloween party last night :^) I saw a lot of StarWars costumes.
adamz.....I agree reportage is what rangefinder Leica's are renowned for...I am just debating the asking price.If you take the Lieca sticker off and replace it with an off-brand manufacturer,even though the quality remained the same,would it still command
$7000.00 US.?
but EP1 is much slower than a true rangefinder, and I really wouldn't mind to get m9 with this 50mm/0.95f lens
That is precisely why I am waiting for Nikon to produce a good digital, rugged, simple, reliable, semi auto, rangefinder camera with a fixed twin focal length 35/75, lens (Not even a zoom).
But I think I'm a dreamer… :o)
I agree with shutterdancer. What if the "M9" was built by Ricoh and the price was $7-8000? Every feature was the same except for the red dot logo.
I have those same dreams too Bernard
I confronted the Leica pricing issue years ago when I needed a camera for a business trip to Rome that was more discrete than my 2 F3hp bodies and 5 lenses. So I went to buy a Leica M-6 and a couple of lenses. Bought a Contax G2 with 24/45/90 for less money then the M-6 body. For the short time the Contax Gs were around and despite their high prices ($1k body), they sold quite a lot of cameras. When someone else puts out a digital rangefinder with a high quality lens set, they might eat into Leica's market. Until then, Leica has the range to themselves. I personally don't believe a camera without a coupled rangefinder is really competitive.
Is the M-9 worth $7,000? If you had $10-20K in M lenses, it's not as steep a hurdle. Besides, an M-9 and 28/2 cost about $11K and represents the ultimate street camera (for me). A Nikon D3s and 600/4 represent the perfect birding set (for me) and cost $15K. I think it depends on what you want to do and if you can afford it. I have been surprised how many Leica M photographers use their camera's commercially.
I alsow wouldn't mind to see such a nikon rangefinder - for a reasonable price of course
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"I also wouldn't mind to see such a nikon rangefinder - for a reasonable price of course"
I will definitely agree with that adamz....If Nikon produced a reasonably priced manual focus rangefinder....I would jump all over that sucker!!
OK so what's the price your willing to pay for such a digital rangefinder from Nikon?
Full frame 12mp high ISO metal weather sealed body? I say $2-3000?
with a fixed lens I would say closer to $2k
Niko, If said product from Nikon would come to fruition,I would gladly pay $2000.00-$3000.00 for one....well maybe not gladly,....but I would buy one!
No, for a fixed lens I'd want to pay $1-1500USD. But it would be an APS-C sensor and not full frame :^(
But hey if they stick an improved D90 sensor in there then I could live without a full frame, no?
I'd pay $ 1500.00 too.
Put me on the waiting list please :o)
Wow....cool colors....with post counts even. I remember that an old guitar forum that I used to frequent, finally dropped the post count numbers because several people thought that if you didn't have high post count numbers you didn't know what you were talking about LOL.
The Leica X1 is 12.1 MP APS-C with fixed 35/2.8 (equivalent) for $1995. I doubt Nikon could charge more than Leica, unless it offered much more. A D90 is now $800, a 35/1.8 is $200, so...I would think it easy to do for $1,000. No mirror, no pentaprism, no lens mount (if fixed lens), should be cheaper to make.
Shutterdancer,I must be the smartest person here then :^)
Hey look my broken fork fits perfectly into this here electrical socket! I wonder what would happen if I....
$1500.00 would be cool...but I don't see Nikon playing in that ballpark. Hopefully I will be pleasantly suprised but Nikon has to one-up Leica...and they will not wish to be seen as the poor mans Leica!
Niko....I don't care if you have 1 post or a million...moderators who have a sense of humor are few and far between....I get a wide grin at almost everyone of your posts.
And yes....I know that sucking up won't keep me from getting banned....but I can try...right?
$1499 for a fixed lens APS-C digital rangefinder type camera would do well. But the EP1/GF1 sell for less and have interchangeable lenses. So Nikon would have to out do them with faster AF or D3S like high ISO image quality.
But the original post was for the Leica M9 so to go against that Nikon would need a full frame camera with interchangeable lenses. How about the D3S sensor in a rangefinder body?! Would you pay $5000US for that?
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