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iris chrome

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msmoto said:
A lot of times, a short discussion with suspicious individuals, i.e., law enforcement officers, can relieve their paranoia and get them sort of "on our side" or at least neutral.
So often, police misconduct is due to the fear involved and if we can decrease this, the misconduct diminishes.

You're absolutely right about that msmoto and I do believe majority of incidents could be completely avoided, however I believe there are two folds to this issue. First, photography by itself is not and should not be considered a suspicious act and therefore should not be treated as such in the first place. Second, not all cops are created equal and some cops will assume you guilty until proven otherwise... just look at the pepper spray cop of UC Davis for instance.

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I certainly agree..... There is a subset of LEOs who are there for reasons inconsistent with the external appearance. I have personally seen them in action, behaving in an entirely inappropriate manner to a situation. And, if we can talk with them, in virtually every case they will give themselves away by the irrational response to our positive approach. In this case, I retreat. No questions asked.

Also, there are many situations to which I have been privy do to the nature of my previous profession, which are areas best left alone. Folks engaged in unlawful activities will not hesitate to resort to extremely aggressive behaviors in order to protect their endeavors. And, unfortunately, this may involve LEOs on rare occasions.

So "No Photography Allowed" maybe needs to be something we decide from time to time if a situation is less than safe.

Posted 10 months ago #
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One has to decide IF it is worth, being handcuffed, taken to jail, strip searched, tossed in a cell with REAL criminals only to be kicked free in a couple of hours. Sure you can try to sue, but that is likely to cost you money.

Unless you want to experience the inside of a lockup, probably best to be cooperative. When you are on the street the police have ALL the power.

I'm not going to get tazed over a photo. (unless it is of Aliens landing ;->)

Posted 10 months ago #
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Geoff_K said:
When you are on the street the police have ALL the power.

I am reminded of an old Joke

"What do you call a gorilla with a machine gun ?"

One very important point many photographers get wrong

because somewhere is open to the public it does mean it is "Public Property"

In England, this applies to nearly all shopping Malls , some roads, most beaches , and a lot of open spaces

Posted 10 months ago #
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I was in a building in China a few years ago. In one of the rooms there was a sign that no photography was allowed. I didn't take a picture in the room, just a picture of the sign and got a lot of dirty looks from the Chinese people.
I was on the Great Wall near Beijing and walked into one of the "towers" to change film in my Rolleiflex. I happened to look into a cubbyhole and there was an open wallet with a bunch of Chinese bills sticking out. I guess that they were seeing if they could lure anyone into taking it. Needless to say, I got out of there fast.
The people I knew seemed like good people, but brainwashed and spied on by the government people.
Sorry, I didn't mean to get political. I just got carried away.

Posted 10 months ago #
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http://www.newson6.com/story/19014578/police-wear-lapel-cameras-for-their-own-protection

Here's the flip side! :)

Posted 10 months ago #
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Kinda funny this topic gets back brought up now...

I frequent many coaster/amusement park sites, one of which is Westcoaster.net. Recently they put up an update from Lakeside Amusement Park in Colorado. This park has a ZERO photography rule in place since the owner doesn't give a damn about the park and is letting it just rot out. One of the members didn't know about this until after he started shooting, but did get some good pix of the place in. Ridiculous how this is allowed. She should just sell the park since there's some amazing architecture/lighting there, as well as some sweet rides.

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@SilenceBrokenTT

Folks can Google "west coasters.net" if they want to see the photos as a question regarding a trojan on the link has been raised.

Posted 10 months ago #
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I must agree with Msmoto,it's all in how you respond to the situation. I was confronted by some security officers when trying to take night shoots of an oil refinery. I was polite showed them my ID (military id helped too) told them what I was doing and I was working from public property. They were polite and treated me respectfully. Now I know other photographers who are grade A A** ***es and would have asserted their "rights" in a manner that reflects poorly on all of us. I've never had problems and typically just chatting with the police works wonders. There are some sites out there with legal information but usually if you are on public property, you free to take any picture you want. Publishing rights are a little more complicated, but if the pictures are for a news outlet then again anything is fair game. Model releases are a must if you plan to sale photos of people. It seems everyone got a little overly sensitive after 9/11 but I think its getting better, well at least in my world.

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Seems it is not a good idea to film Bands in Northern Ireland

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18831140

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The above video does not play in some areas...but, below is the same video, I believe. It suggests the videographer responded with a confrontation of authority rather than an inquiry as to why the video might not be allowed. However, this type of authority figure is not uncommon, and I myself encountered this with border patrol when I turned around to take a photo of my son coming back in to the USA when we had been in Canada a few years ago on motorcycles. Almost exactly the "fly off the handle" type of law enforcement response as on the video. Shameful at best. CAUTION, VIOLENT LANGUAGE NOT SUITABLE FOR CHILDREN

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Posted 10 months ago #
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I thought I should clarify something which maybe isn't obvious to those that aren't familiar with the politics of the region; the video isn't of a police or security officer shouting at the guy filming - the people giving him hassle are participants in the march. The marching season in Northern Ireland causes huge tension and there is a feeling amongst the Catholic community that the marches are just designed to intimidate them (in this case they are going round in circles outside a Catholic church so you have to wonder). The guys in the hats are actually out of a marching band so the videographer was really arguing with another ordinary guy (albeit one in a uniform) not someone with any position of official authority.

Posted 10 months ago #
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It looks like all the fuss that has been raised over this issue has not been for nothing after all :)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/dc-officers-are-directed-to-leave-citizen-photographers-alone/2012/07/23/gJQAYKcI5W_story.html?hpid=z3

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