garniemand said:
yep to be more precise summer holidays
remember that Europeans need to utilize their 25-30d holidays ;-)
For as long as the economic austerity measures allow, right? ;-)
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to clarify it even more, holidays in Europe differ a little bit from country to country, but a term summer holidays in Europe generally means period from 1st July to 31 August, in Poland it's connected with the time kids don't go to school, so it's a little bit earlier, as usually the last day of school is 24th of June.
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yep to be more precise summer holidays
remember that Europeans need to utilize their 25-30d holidaysThat's not true - I only get 40 days :p
Back to the topic - My WAG is an announcement in the next month of a D7000 & the mythical D800. I'm basing that on the aching desire for a replacement for my D50 ;-)
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Welcome to the forum piobar. I don't think we'll see two models next month (JULY). We will probably get one model first and then the other will be announced right before Photokina in September.
Worse case scenario is that Nikon holds off announcing both models until late August or early September :^(
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Thanks NikoDoby, but you're ruining my Tecnolust dreaming ;-) All I can say is I'm really happy with the D50 and am willing to wait for a nice present (from myself) until Nikon deem I've earned it - while cursing them everyday like a true Nikon fanboy, of course.
Seriously though, what I really want is a nice wide angle DX prime - somewhere around 12mm/F2 would be great ;-)
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Have you seen what a 6mm f2.8 Fx lens looks like?
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/fisheyes/6mmf28.htmSo yeah keep dreaming of that f2 :^)
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piobar said:
Thanks NikoDoby, but you're ruining my Tecnolust dreaming ;-) All I can say is I'm really happy with the D50 and am willing to wait for a nice present (from myself) until Nikon deem I've earned it - while cursing them everyday like a true Nikon fanboy, of course.Seriously though, what I really want is a nice wide angle DX prime - somewhere around 12mm/F2 would be great ;-)
The 10.5mm 2.8 should be great for you, plus it'll autofocus on the D50. Excellent camera, by the way. It was the first DSLR I ever handled. I shot an event for a friend with a D50 and a SB-600.
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Oh, snap. My camera I bought from ebay broke shipping and they gave me a full refund. I payed $735 for the D90 body only new.
Any other recommendations on where to shop to get it at around that price?
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Most places are selling for $800-$830, so you'd be hard pressed to find it that cheap.
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NSXType-R said:
The 10.5mm 2.8 should be great for you, plus it'll autofocus on the D50. Excellent camera, by the way. It was the first DSLR I ever handled. I shot an event for a friend with a D50 and a SB-600.(Sorry for the late reply - I've been considering this).
I agree, I love my D50 - I don't need to upgrade but technolust is a powerful motivator. (this is slightly OT for this thread, but anyway)
About the 10.5 - I've never been sure that a fisheye would suit me. I've read a lot about it, and everyone seems to agree it's lots of fun. I'm really comparing it against lenses like the 11-16; 8-16 and Nikon 10-24. However, with my current WA lens (16-85) I notice that I primarily use it at 16mm and in the 50-85mm range; rarely in the 18-50 range. Plus, I'm planning a trip to some national parks for the summer (Canadian Rockies) so a UWA would be nice. However, I kind of doubt that I'll bring a third zoom (I plan on the 16-85, 70-300 & 35mm 1.8)
This is the advantage of being a Nikon user - I spend a lot of time thinking about buying bodies/lenses but not so much money, as Nikon conveniently takes ages to announce/deliver them :-)
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waiting for new rumors on a D90 refresh or else ;-))
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I bought a Panasonic GH1 a couple months ago, and that's basically what I want from Nikon for the D90. It has the following video upgrades:
Autofocus in video
Flip/fold out LCD
720p 60 fps (dramatically reduces rolling shutter)
Stock 18-200 look-alike lens has an infinite aperture for smooth adjustments of video
Microphone inputAs far as pics go, the D90 is fine for that... the improvements I want are all video-related. I keep waiting for some DSLR company to make an image stabilization technique that works in the body so any lens can be stabilized. Whoever does that first will be the one I switch to if it's not Nikon. I'd even give up the screw-drive AF motor to get that.
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NikoDoby said:
Worse case scenario is that Nikon holds off announcing both models until late August or early September :^(I've also been waiting for the D90 refresh ... seemingly forever. I purchased a D5000 for the interim, but suspect I'll hold onto it until the prices decrease on the new model ... which means I'm using this camera for a while.
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piobar said:
About the 10.5 - I've never been sure that a fisheye would suit me. I've read a lot about it, and everyone seems to agree it's lots of fun. I'm really comparing it against lenses like the 11-16; 8-16 and Nikon 10-24. However, with my current WA lens (16-85) I notice that I primarily use it at 16mm and in the 50-85mm range; rarely in the 18-50 range. Plus, I'm planning a trip to some national parks for the summer (Canadian Rockies) so a UWA would be nice. However, I kind of doubt that I'll bring a third zoom (I plan on the 16-85, 70-300 & 35mm 1.8)
I love my 10.5 and use it frequently. I find that It comes in handy when my 18-70 or 17-35 can't reach that far and is much sharper than all of nikon's fisheye zooms (excluding the 14-24mm ff). It surprisingly also makes a great walkaround lens too, especially on hikes and architectural shooting...
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Nikon had better get the D90 replacement out to consumers this year NLT September 1st. FACT there are Nikon serious users who ARE buying Canon DSLRs just for a better video feature. I own a number of video cameras but for my own PERSONAL use I have been recording some D90 video. I own bigger and more expensive Nikon DSLRs but have none that shoot video except my D90. When a Canon Rebel is available with a kit lens IT IS SELLING TO PROS to use for the video. The Canon Mark II D5 has cost more Nikon sales than any single camera out there. Nikon is failing to grasp the severity of their current inability to get HD 1080p video in a camera. If you THINK video is an unwanted feature LISTEN to what I am being told...."We NEED and EXPECT HD VIDEO on DSLRs". When I click on Nikon website or Nikon Rumors (which I have followed for about two years) I get Canon Ads....having seen the Canon HD video results....and the still photo quality I am convinced Nikon's position is being compromised. I use photography as a professional toolnot as a membership symbol.
A D90 replacement is OVERDUE. The D700 needs video added. The market is changing. More and more buyers look at video as ESSENTIAL, not a weird option. When I buy another car or truck I buy the best available at the time of THAT purchase. NIKON seems to think we won't switch as we own so much expensive glass. I own a LOT of Nikon FX and DX high end glass. I have also owned large format lens that COST MORE than most of those lens put together. A Canon with a pretty good kit lens costs less than a D90 today from a supplier who I can trust. So don't think lens owned will not stop Nikon to Canon switches. Nikon still makes a camera I trust more than Canon and I prefer many NIKON features. But if Nikon snoozes much longer the 12 megapixel status will
keep costing them first time amateurs while they continue to erode their pro base. If I had to pick one camera to take to the field today it would still be a D700 or a D90. Yet look at Nikon's D Movie site.....think video isn't TODAY?? Guess again....it is!! I just prefer 1080P!Posted 2 years ago # -
piobar said:
(Sorry for the late reply - I've been considering this).I agree, I love my D50 - I don't need to upgrade but technolust is a powerful motivator. (this is slightly OT for this thread, but anyway)
About the 10.5 - I've never been sure that a fisheye would suit me. I've read a lot about it, and everyone seems to agree it's lots of fun. I'm really comparing it against lenses like the 11-16; 8-16 and Nikon 10-24. However, with my current WA lens (16-85) I notice that I primarily use it at 16mm and in the 50-85mm range; rarely in the 18-50 range. Plus, I'm planning a trip to some national parks for the summer (Canadian Rockies) so a UWA would be nice. However, I kind of doubt that I'll bring a third zoom (I plan on the 16-85, 70-300 & 35mm 1.8)
This is the advantage of being a Nikon user - I spend a lot of time thinking about buying bodies/lenses but not so much money, as Nikon conveniently takes ages to announce/deliver them :-)
Sorry for responding so late too. :D
The D50 is amazing, if the screen weren't so large and the buttons so small, I'd love it.
Technolust is a big draw. I always want to replace my D40, but it hasn't died yet. I'll worry about it when it does die. I've always wanted these lenses though- the 70-300 VR, the 105mm macro and a wide angle zoom, preferably the 12-24 for it's pro-quality build.
I love wide angle lenses, I always wish they made a wider DX prime.
I already have a fast prime, and a slow zoom, the 35mm 1.8 and a 18-135. But like you said, this is a heck of a lot of money and all I can do now is dream.
Yeah, thinking about all the possibilities is a lot of fun. I can't afford half the stuff, so I dream about what would happen if I paired a 70-200 VR to my D40. :D
kyoshinikon said:
I love my 10.5 and use it frequently. I find that It comes in handy when my 18-70 or 17-35 can't reach that far and is much sharper than all of nikon's fisheye zooms (excluding the 14-24mm ff). It surprisingly also makes a great walkaround lens too, especially on hikes and architectural shooting...
Its rare I feel the lens is too wide and would recommend it to anyone needing a superwide...I don't think they make fisheye zooms, and I don't think the 14-24 is a fisheye. :D
The only issue with the 10.5 (that I see) is it's so specialized. I don't see that I'll be using it a whole lot unless I get really bored.
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DaveyJ said:
... More and more buyers look at video as ESSENTIAL, not a weird option. When I buy another car or truck I buy the best available at the time of THAT purchase.
It would be interesting to get some independent data on how much use dSLR owners get from the movie features and how much it influences buying.
I have a decent quality digital video camera that has been sitting unused in the cupboard for several years. I have used the video facilities on my D90 three times - once to try it out, and twice in anger with mediocre results.
Over many years I can think of a handful of occasions when a built-in video feature would have been useful to me. But it's a handy add-on that's of trivial significance to me - it definitely didn't affect my choice of camera..
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There are two parts to this:
1. I occasionally shoot indoor wedding video or some other professional video... not frequently (once or twice per year) so it's not worth it to invest in a $2k camcorder, but I need more indoor image quality than a $500 camcorder can provide. The D90's video capability is perfect... if the things above were fixed (AF, body-stabilization, mic input, no rolling shutter, longer captures, more manual control).2. This may be blasphemy, but there's really nothing more I want as a photographer from the D90 (and I actually shoot the D80). Sure, I would love more fps, more dynamic range, and better high ISO but I really have no complaints with it as-is.
My thinking is that if I can upgrade to what I need in #1 for what I get for my D80 + $500-800, that would be perfect. I'd get much better low light and DOF control than the $2k camcorder for less money, albeit in an imperfect package.
For me, video is the primary reason to spend the money. If they don't improve the video in the D8000 (or whatever it is) dramatically, then I'm probably selling all my Nikon gear and going to another system.
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JoeFresco said:
My thinking is that if I can upgrade to what I need in #1 for what I get for my D80 + $500-800, that would be perfect. I'd get much better low light and DOF control than the $2k camcorder for less money, albeit in an imperfect package.
Sorry, Joe, I don't follow this.
What you're saying is you want a quality $2k camcorder, PLUS a great dSLR (D90 currently about $850?), all in one package for about $1,000?
Don't you think you're being a tad optimistic?
Incidentally, Sony make "an image stabilization technique that works in the body so any lens can be stabilized", but my Sony A350 was a pile of @@@ compared to my D90.
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Anaxagoras said:
It would be interesting to get some independent data on how much use dSLR owners get from the movie features and how much it influences buying.A popular photography site did a poll a few months ago on this, and found that 44% of DSLR users who have the ability to do so use video in their cameras.
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Anaxagoras said:
It would be interesting to get some independent data on how much use dSLR owners get from the movie features and how much it influences buying.I have a decent quality digital video camera that has been sitting unused in the cupboard for several years. I have used the video facilities on my D90 three times - once to try it out, and twice in anger with mediocre results.
Over many years I can think of a handful of occasions when a built-in video feature would have been useful to me. But it's a handy add-on that's of trivial significance to me - it definitely didn't affect my choice of camera..
Yes, for many, the video feature on a D-SLR is an unnecessary add-on.
However, in my case, I'm a filmmaker, and I bought the D90 SPECIFICALLY to shoot video. Many of my friends have purchased 5Ds and 7Ds, also, specifically for filmmaking applications. Of course, once I realized Nikon was never going to issue a firmware release to resolve the manual ISO and shutter speed control issue, I started taking pictures again with my D90 instead.
Filmmakers are a new market for cine-capable, D-SLRs. Micro-budget filmmakers finally have decent "D-cinema" tools in the new D-SLR product offerings. These new tools are affordable, use great lenses that many of us already own, make the use of shallow depth-of-field technique a breeze (which was near-impossible on 1/3"-2/3" video cameras), and have great cinematic image quality. It seems every day, I hear something new: "this commercial was shot on a 7D," "that pilot was shot on a 5D," etc. This video-on-DSLR stuff is really starting to take off. Unfortunately, only Canon and Panasonic have workable offerings at this point. Nikon really needs to gain functional parity, quickly, in at least one of their models to accommodate this fast-growing market.
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Anaxagoras said:
What you're saying is you want a quality $2k camcorder, PLUS a great dSLR (D90 currently about $850?), all in one package for about $1,000?
Don't you think you're being a tad optimistic?Not exactly. A $2k camcorder is going to have features I'd never expect in a DSLR, such as powered zoom, phantom-powered XLR mic inputs, a good onboard mic, and absolutely no rolling shutter.
All I'm saying is that the D90 is close (and for that matter, the GH1 is basically there) to being exactly what I need to use with video, and I think the $1-1.3k range for just the body is realistic. If the D8000 ended up being the GH1 mashed with the D90 sensor, I would buy it for $1k.
The stabilization thing is important, though, as any video I shoot handheld with a DSLR must be run through post-processing stabilization to be remotely usable, which reduces the field of view and requires a fair bit of time on the workflow. It'll also be useful for regular pictures as some sort of stabilization could be used with any lens. At the same time, I'm afraid it's wishful thinking with Nikon.
But when someone does do stabilization/AF well for the right price, I'm there.
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JoeFresco said:
All I'm saying is that the D90 is close (and for that matter, the GH1 is basically there) to being exactly what I need to use with video, and I think the $1-1.3k range for just the body is realistic. If the D8000 ended up being the GH1 mashed with the D90 sensor, I would buy it for $1k.Exactly!
However, rolling shutter is going to continue to be an issue. Even a $17,500 RED ONE (body only) has rolling shutter issues (albeit, quite a bit less than a D90's).
As for stabilization, a decent fluid-head tripod, or a good handheld bracket, and good handheld technique is all you should need. I have a cheap handheld bracket I bought for a miniDV camera years ago, and it works perfectly with my D90 mounted on it. Even though a D-SLR body doesn't have the mass to contribute to your stability, adding a bracket allows you to perform silky-smooth handheld shots with a bit of practice. However, the current high degree of rolling shutter in the D90 makes fast-moving handheld work virtually unusable. However, if image-stabilization were to be added, it may be a welcome feature in certain circumstances (e.g., vehicle-mount or helicopter work).
As for auto-focus capability, manual-focus is almost universally preferred for motion picture camera operation, and most operators wouldn't need or use an AF feature. Although, such a feature could be useful in supplementing tape measures or "Panatape" type rangefinding devices for verifying focus marks.
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