Unless you want the ruggedness so you can pound nails with it in a emergency, I would wait for the new tech and see the expected improvement in image quality. Higher MP means more room to crop. New tech usually means better.
D600 or D700 ?
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If you don't need the camera straight away, I would wait for the next crop of cameras and we believe a D600 may come and then compare and buy. Just depends how desperate you are on getting a camera and when you need it, I have a D90 and it will do me until I see the next line of cameras. Photography is an expensive hobby and you don't want to regret making purchases...cause for most of us hobbyists we buy cameras once every 3 to many years...so got to be happy with the purchase and no regrets...
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You could also just focus on making good photographs with your current equipment. Sometimes I realize I just don't have the money to get what I really want, I tend to fight that and buy something anyway, I believe there is a lot more going on here than your actual needs vs a desire that you want fulfilled. In the past I have even made film cameras out of cardboard boxes just for a change (pinhole film cameras). I say push your limits with your current equipment and wait, think about what you have in a different way. I want a 70-200mm 2.8 vrii, I could take that money and fly to alaska and live in the woods for a few weeks and come out with photographs that I couldn't even dream of having. Equipment obsession is something we all struggle with especially with forums like this feeding our insanity, I think it is incredibly difficult to just make sensible decisions period.
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Sonny said:
So I will be looking for some used D700 right now and if I find a good price the D600 wont matter to me much. Is 1300 euro a good price when it was used on 58 000 cycles?Btw just a thought: If I like to photoshop pictures how much of a difference there will be for me If I took pictures with D600 sensor or D700 sensor?
Anyway thank you guy's you have been great help to me. I hope I can someday return the favor or show you some pics. :)
If you're just an enthusiast, I think you're better off with a D600 than a D700. Most likely the 'pro' interface (though D7000's interface is already quite pro-ish) wouldn't matter much to you and also, you might not realise the benefit of the 'so called' better build quality. You might earn quite a lot from the extra image quality though. If you shoot RAW, the difference are enormous, especially dynamic range wise.
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msmoto said:
If the "leaked images" of the D600 have any relevance, this is not a pro body in any sense of the word. The controls, if one is used to a Nikon Pro body or D300, will be just as irritating as on all the cameras which lack the functionality of the D700, D3, D4, D800, etc.Thus, a used D700, which will produce photos of extreme quality will be much easier to use IMO, than a D600 if one is used to the pro bodies. And, I say this from my experience trying to move back and forth between the D4 and D90, which may be just senility, but I think is most likely because Nikon has made the pricey cameras easier to use for the professional photographers who will utilize the quickly changed functions available on the pro bodies.
Oh well... just another opinion of no more value than any other....
I suppose you don't remember pro cameras from a little while ago: none of the controls that are on D3/700/800/D4 style camera. Interchangeable finders, smallish bodies, sturdy, and very straightforward.
This idea that 'pro' means a million buttons is infuriating especially as it is propagated by gearheads and yes, even some pros. Proses vary as do noses. Some are flat, some are tall, some are wide, some are small. Some bleed, some drip, some suck. Pros can use a bloody D7000, and some I've met in the fashion industry do.
Not every pro needs 30 buttons and weather sealing. Not every pro needs small. Unfortunately, penis wagging is popular among gear heads and now, pro means big, bulky (Unlike a beautiful F/2) with squinty finders (in comparison to say, an FM3a), a million buttons, weather sealing, etc., and so on.
Good on those cameras, but what about 'pro' cameras for people who shoot in natural or reflected light, or even with strobes. We need: full size finder (FE/FM size), small size (for using in strange angles and so our subjects can see our faces), straightforward controls, and good flash sync capabilities.
Pro isn't an umbrella to mean gorilla. It just means money. Whatever gets you there - unless it conjures up penis envy.
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shigzeo said:
Not every pro needs 30 buttons and weather sealing. Not every pro needs small.
Sonny is NOT a Pro, Photography is his hobby
Yes I do remember "simple" SLRs I had a Nikon F and a 4x5 Plate camera before that
Do I want to back? No thank you, give me my D800 every time
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sevencrossing said:
Sonny is NOT a Pro, Photography is his hobbyYes I do remember "simple" SLRs I had a Nikon F and a 4x5 Plate camera before that
Do I want to back? No thank you, give me my D800 every time
Problem is, I don't think Sonny would really need the pro features of D700, so if a D600 is better than the D700 in every aspect except the pro features (buttons and weather sealing), why not?
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sevencrossing said:
Agree my Sonny has does NOT seem to happy with D3100, he wants FF and cant afford a D800The 700 really is the next best thing
Yep, it's currently the best FX he could afford if he can't wait. 5DM2 is also a good choice, since he didn't really invest too much into Nikon. D800 is way better than 5D3, but 5D2 and D700 is really hard to decide. Image quality is pretty much the same, with Canon having more resolution. 5D2 on the other hand has worse AF and metering system.
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I'm waiting on the announcement/previews/high ISO samples of the D600 before I make a choice about full frame.
As far as "pro" features and usability, I hope the D600 really is the FF counterpart to the D7000, because aside from the sensor size, the features of the D7000 are as "pro" as most anyone needs. Unless you are making money with your images and need everything that makes a "pro" body, what's the point? The D7000 is rugged enough, weatherproof enough and handles fast enough for most anyone. The only thing that I hope the D600 has is a slightly larger grip area. The D7000 is a bit cramped at times. (from the leaked pics, it looks like the top LCD is a bit longer than the D7000, so that is encouraging)
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If you wish to haemorrhage cash, then go ahead, by all means buy a D700. However, once the D600 is announced you can expect the value of your D700 to plummet as thousands of used D700s flood the market.
Why not wait a few more months, for what will be a superior FX camera; probably at a lower price than what you'll pay for a D700.
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Ikeshima said:
If you wish to haemorrhage cash, then go ahead, by all means buy a D700. However, once the D600 is announced you can expect the value of your D700 to plummet as thousands of used D700s flood the market.Why not wait a few more months, for what will be a superior FX camera; probably at a lower price than what you'll pay for a D700.
Or if you don't care about video, buy the D700 in a few months for less money.
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I can't see any reason for the price of D700 to drop in next few months
In the Uk at least, new ones are in short supply
and a lot of us who bought 800s are keeping our 700s as a second camera
Given the expected limited functionality of the 600, I can't see any reason why any one who would want to down grade their 700 for a 600
Yes the 600 has video but 700 owners who need video, also have a 7000 or have upgraded
to a 800the only camera that likely to drop in price is the 7000
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R8R said:
Which is what?Fewer buttons and dials are expected on the D600 than the D700 so you would be more dependent on the menu to change functions
If you are used to and happy with a D7000, but want to take advantage of FX lenses, then then the D600 should be fine
If you are used to a D700, it is unlikely you are going to happy with a D600, unless you intend to continue using the D700 for stills and buying the D600 to do the occasional video and as a spare camera
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sevencrossing said:
If you are used to a D700, it is unlikely you are going to happy with a D600, unless you intend to continue using the D700 for stills and buying the D600 to do the occasional video and as a spare cameraThis is speculation. There is absolutely no way to know if someone will be unhappy with the D600 in actual use. The D700 is four years old - that is a lifetime in digital technology terms.
The D7000 blows away any of the "pro" D2 series bodies both in image quality and ease of use. How are we to know if the D600 doesn't blow away the D700 in use? We haven't seen any high ISO samples and nobody knows what the back looks like. It might have MORE useable functions than the D700.
It definitely has the U1 and U2 on the dial which is a HUGE bonus already, not to mention the integrated AF mode button down by the lens release, a headphone out, etc. The only thing the D700 has over something like the D7000 is dedicated metering and AF area switches. The D7000 is a button hold + command dial spin for these functions, probably the same for the D600(which is easily accomplished with the VF still at your eye).I'll reserve judgement until it's released. Until then it's all conjecture and assumptions. Technology on cameras is a trickle down affair. Things you would get with "pro" bodies just a few years ago are common on many cameras now.
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R8R said:
...The only thing the D700 has over something like the D7000 is dedicated metering and AF area switches. The D7000 is a button hold + command dial spin for these functions, probably the same for the D600(which is easily accomplished with the VF still at your eye).There is much more difference than just a few buttons - that's not debatable. There are threads and various online comparison that due more justice on what those differences are.
Now do those differences make a difference to a particular shooter? That can only be answered by each shooter and their needs and desires. Personally I feel the same as sevencrossing, I had a very difficult time moving backwards trying a D7000 from a D300 and ultimately decided not to go the D7000 path. In my mind a camera is not just a sensor but a full package of tools.
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TaoTeJared said:
There is much more difference than just a few buttons - that's not debatable. There are threads and various online comparison that due more justice on what those differences are.Now do those differences make a difference to a particular shooter? That can only be answered by each shooter and their needs and desires. Personally I feel the same as sevencrossing, I had a very difficult time moving backwards trying a D7000 from a D300 and ultimately decided not to go the D7000 path. In my mind a camera is not just a sensor but a full package of tools.
I know the D700 is a better camera but the perceived "handicapping" of the D600 is ridiculous. The camera isn't even out yet.
And I was just stating the fact that the D700 only has a few additional external controls over the D7000, and the D7000 and D600 have some that are lacking on the D700. (U1 and U2 for instance)
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What I am pointing out and believe what sevencrossing was saying is that the additional feature set (including having many more "custom banks" over a D7000 that are not on the exterior) may be preferred by some photographers. I realize the D7000 image sensor was better than my D300, but the features of the D300 created a better camera for me a better opportunity for better images and is a better camera in my hands.
By Images of the body that have leaked out, point to a D7000 with a FX sensor. It is not a stretch to assume it will have the same feature set as the D7000 especially at a lower price point than a D800. There is nothing is ridiculous about that suggestion.
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I find the mode dial on the D7000 more of a liability than anything else when compared to the D300's. I do like the idea of the U1 and U2 until I'm thinking I've still got my (correct) manual exposure set and I realize I'm at shutter priority 1/500s, auto ISO because I bumped the mode dial into a user mode. Like TTJ, better for me was the D300 where I could set my settings and know I wasn't going to accidentally change them.
As someone who may eventually upgrade to the D600, I hope the mode dials are D300-esque. I think like some have said, it's hard to make judgments before the camera is announced (and even then, not really until you've held it in your hands and had some time with it).
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TaoTeJared said:
. There is nothing is ridiculous about that suggestion.Thank you
R8R said:
I'll reserve judgement until it's released. Until then it's all conjecture and assumptions.
jonnyapple said:
I think like some have said, it's hard to make judgments before the camera is announced (and even then, not really until you've held it in your hands and had some time with it).But the whole point of NRF is rumors :)
Posted 9 months ago # -
My local camera supplier is now stating in their online details that
"the D700 is now discontinued, replaced by Nikon D800"
So chances of getting a D700 is going to get tougher as new anticipated models start to emerge.
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