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Sonny

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Hello guy's, I currently own D3100 with 18-105mm 3.5-5.6 G and SB-700

I want to upgrade to a FF camera.

I was waiting for D600 but now i am not sure if It won't be better to just buy used D700 since if D600 will go for around 1500$ I can get used D700 for 1000$ in my country.

I dont own any FX lens right now but i want to buy (used) one of these for macro and portraits.
http://lenshero.com/lens/Nikon-105mm-f2.8G-ED-IF-AF-S-VR-lens
http://lenshero.com/lens/Nikon-Micro-60mm-f2.8D-lens

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Should i buy D600 or D700?
If D700, should I wait until D600 comes out for a price drop?
How will My SB-700 work on D700 and D600, will it work fully? (I use it as a remote slave right now)
Will I be able to use mounted flash outdoors with that 105mm for macro or it will just block the light?

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Be advantage of D700 its available now and one the best camera in the world
disadvantage no video

Advantage of D600 will almost certainly have video
disadvantage probably fewer buttons and dials, so you will have to use the menus more

the SB 700 will work on the D700 and probably on the D600

The 105 macro will block the flash @ 1:1 but not at normal working distances

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Sonny

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BTW: i forgot to say photography is just my hobby and after a year of using D3100 with 18-105mm it just feels like a toy in my hands.

I want to be able to do more things with my camera and again start to learn how this and that works and how I need to set it up. I didn't want to spend money on DX lens since i want to buy FX camera anyway so I was saving money for some FX lens.

Also i want to photograph in every situation: landscape, low-light, macro, portraits.... and lots of playing around in photoshop (That's why i wanted the D600 with 24mpx sensor)

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Sonny

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sevencrossing said:
Be advantage of D700 its available now and one the best camera in the world
disadvantage no video

Advantage of D600 will almost certainly have video
disadvantage probably fewer buttons and dials, so you will have to use the menus more

the SB 700 will work on the D700 and probably on the D600

The 105 macro will block the flash @ 1:1 but not at normal working distances

Thanks for the fast response sevencrossing. I did want to get into video when i got my D3100 but then soon realized that i need a lot more FPS for my slow-mo videos that I wanted to do so bad.
Like balloon full of water pooping... :) I dont even know if 5D mark III or IV can do that in a good quality.

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I'm suggesting D600 though.

D700 Pros:
Arguably better build.
Arguably better controls.

D600 Pros:
More software-based stuff, like video and things that can improve your daily shooting.
Much better dynamic range (less shadow noise), which is important for RAW shooting.

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Sonny

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MikeWhis said:
I'm suggesting D600 though.

D700 Pros:
Arguably better build.
Arguably better controls.

D600 Pros:
More software-based stuff, like video and things that can improve your daily shooting.
Much better dynamic range (less shadow noise), which is important for RAW shooting.

Dam... now it's pulling me back to D600 :D I do shoot raw, but will it matter much if I edit it and save it to jpg? Also I want to shoot lightning in the future so the better build/weather-seal body can help... the question is if there will be some major difference.

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we don't know the dynamic range of the D600. If dynamic range is important, then you need the awesome D800, wich I think will do your slow motion video

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Sonny

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I don't think I can afford even then used D800 (not that I seen any selling).
The 60 fps on 1280 x 720 on D800 did get my hopes up with D600, but the video is more just for fun.

Too bad my photography wont pay for itself otherwise I would buy D800 and be done with this nonsense.

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I'm going to step out and and say, why not the D7000? Performance in terms of noise is almost as good as the D700, has superior dynamic range, most likely more than good enough for hobby shooting. Yes it is still DX, but you will save money, and you can still add the 105mm macro.

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Sonny

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Yes D7000 is a choice but i decided I want to upgrade to FX and not another DX as I still can't find many reasons to get D7000.

I'm planning to buy used lens anyway.... so money is still an issue but I can sell them for the same price as i bought them.

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I guess I'm just wondering what you are hoping to gain by going FX? What reasons do you have for getting a full frame body over a DX body? If you like shooting macro, DX has an advantage thanks to having more depth of field.

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PB PM said:
I guess I'm just wondering what you are hoping to gain by going FX? What reasons do you have for getting a full frame body over a DX body? If you like shooting macro, DX has an advantage thanks to having more depth of field.

Well first i want a better iso performance, then the larger viewfinder, AF motor, weatherseal body and to be able to use any good lens.

But mainly i want a camera that will grow on me and i will use it for a very long time with lots of joy. I want to always have something more to learn and a lot of room for improvement with using the camera and photographing. I want to use it untill my kids kids will ask: "granpa, why do you use that shitty camera?"

Also, i see many hipsters with my camera or the D3200 using it just on full auto and it literary makes me sick and I suppose takes some of the joy away from using this camera.

Does any of this make any sence?

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Sonny said:

But mainly i want a camera that will grow on me and i will use it for a very long time with lots of joy. ......
Does any of this make any sense?

Yes lots of sense, so get the D700

I think the 700 is the digital equivalent of the Nikon F, which 40+ years on is still an excellent camera

The 700 is a well built professional camera only bettered by the D800 or the D4

We don't know the full spec of the 600 but its likely to lack many features found on the 700

Based on what we know of the 600, I would only get it if you need video

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Yes this is real tough choice because the rumor is that the D600 will be released this fall. The D700 is a wonderful camera though so you definately wouldn't be disappointed picking one up. Do you really need video?

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Sonny said:
Dam... now it's pulling me back to D600 :D I do shoot raw, but will it matter much if I edit it and save it to jpg? Also I want to shoot lightning in the future so the better build/weather-seal body can help... the question is if there will be some major difference.

The whole point of shooting RAW is to edit it and convert it into a real end product - JPEG/PNG/TIFF and so on. You'll definitely get the advantage. As for the weather sealing... So far no one can really prove it completely that D700 is better sealed than D7000 (supposedly that the D600 will have D7000 weather sealing). Maybe the D700 is hardier, but in real life, I doubt that you will see a difference.

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sevencrossing said:
we don't know the dynamic range of the D600. If dynamic range is important, then you need the awesome D800, wich I think will do your slow motion video

I'm guessing that the D600 will have a 24MP which equates to great dynamic range.

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PB PM said:
I'm going to step out and and say, why not the D7000? Performance in terms of noise is almost as good as the D700, has superior dynamic range, most likely more than good enough for hobby shooting. Yes it is still DX, but you will save money, and you can still add the 105mm macro.

Although my words contradict almost what everyone is saying... but, D7000 has better QE than D700... Which means that is has better noise performance than D700 if their lenses' equivalent aperture (entrance pupil) are the same (which means the lenses are usually the same size when they have the same focal range - FX f/2.8 is DX f/1.8).

About the money saving thing... I will contradict everyone again. FX is better value for money.

Let's talk about the two pro lenses.
DX 17-55mm f/2.8 $1400
FX 24-70mm f/2.8 $1900

DX seems cheaper eh? Now let's factor in crop factor (1.55x).
The 17-55mm f/2.8 is equivalent to 26-85mm f/4.3

Hmmm... Now FX is a better choice!
DX 26-85mm f/4.3 $1400
VERSUS
FX 24-70 f/2.8 $1900.

DX is indeed cheaper, but value for money wise, FX is far ahead.

Another comparison:
DX 26-85mm f/4.3 $1400
VERSUS
FX 24-120mm f/4 $1300

Things are getting even clearer.

And you haven't factor in the extra resolution...

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I suggest you shall wait for the D600 and see what happens. If it suits you, get it. If it doesn't, don't worry, get the D700 then. It's price will be really good by then and you can use the saved money for some great lenses.

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kanuck said:
Yes this is real tough choice because the rumor is that the D600 will be released this fall. The D700 is a wonderful camera though so you definately wouldn't be disappointed picking one up. Do you really need video?

I thought about it whole night and I guess I don't need video on my camera. If I can't have the video on D800 I don't really need some with less FPS since I won't use it anyway.

Btw If I compare just the look of the camera I like D700 a lot more if the D600 pics are legit.

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Sonny said:
If D700, should I wait until D600 comes out for a price drop?

in the Uk there seems to be shortage of new D700's from suppliers I would trust
There also seems is a shortage of mint second hand ones

Quite of few of us who bought 800's are hanging on to our D700's as a spare camera

and although in good condition they have had a hard life

so if you can find a new or mint 700, buy it . You wont regret it

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sevencrossing said:
Yes lots of sense, so get the D700

We don't know the full spec of the 600 but its likely to lack many features found on the 700

Yes the D700 makes probably more sense. I'm just curious how much of a difference there be in a picture if I compare the D3100 to D700 and then to D600.

Snapsort tells me its 20% for D3100 vs D700, even when there's 2mpx difference.

Ofc for the general using the camera i know that D700 will be a winner against D3100 and maybe a close call winner to D600.

Any thoughts?

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I think the big difference between the 700 and the 600 will functionality and build quality rather than image quality

Thousands of professional's have, and still are, very happy with image quality of the 700. There is no reason why you should not be as well

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If the "leaked images" of the D600 have any relevance, this is not a pro body in any sense of the word. The controls, if one is used to a Nikon Pro body or D300, will be just as irritating as on all the cameras which lack the functionality of the D700, D3, D4, D800, etc.

Thus, a used D700, which will produce photos of extreme quality will be much easier to use IMO, than a D600 if one is used to the pro bodies. And, I say this from my experience trying to move back and forth between the D4 and D90, which may be just senility, but I think is most likely because Nikon has made the pricey cameras easier to use for the professional photographers who will utilize the quickly changed functions available on the pro bodies.

Oh well... just another opinion of no more value than any other....

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sevencrossing said:
I think the big difference between the 700 and the 600 will functionality and build quality rather than image quality

Thousands of professional's have, and still are, very happy with image quality of the 700. There is no reason why you should not be as well

Yes it seems like it.
Yes if it is a good camera for a professional it is far more then a good camera for me. :)

msmoto said:
If the "leaked images" of the D600 have any relevance, this is not a pro body in any sense of the word. The controls, if one is used to a Nikon Pro body or D300, will be just as irritating as on all the cameras which lack the functionality of the D700, D3, D4, D800, etc.

Thus, a used D700, which will produce photos of extreme quality will be much easier to use IMO, than a D600 if one is used to the pro bodies. And, I say this from my experience trying to move back and forth between the D4 and D90, which may be just senility, but I think is most likely because Nikon has made the pricey cameras easier to use for the professional photographers who will utilize the quickly changed functions available on the pro bodies.

Oh well... just another opinion of no more value than any other....

I have never held a pro camera in my hands but the controls on D3100 are just bad as hell. I found myself many times when I shoot on manual (as I allways do) to miss the action since setting up the ISO just slows me down and I never get used to the fact that I have one tiny function button for that.

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So I will be looking for some used D700 right now and if I find a good price the D600 wont matter to me much. Is 1300 euro a good price when it was used on 58 000 cycles?

Btw just a thought: If I like to photoshop pictures how much of a difference there will be for me If I took pictures with D600 sensor or D700 sensor?

Anyway thank you guy's you have been great help to me. I hope I can someday return the favor or show you some pics. :)

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