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Review: Nikkor 135mm F2.0D DC AF Lens on D800

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  1. redirector

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    For those who, like me, have moved from DX to FX via D800, and are looking for great FX lenses, and ways to maximize the capabilities of the D800, I will recommend strong consideration for the Nikkor 135mm F2-D DC (Defocus Control) AF lens. For those who know already, forgive the redundant long review, but after just a single day of use on a job, I am now a disciple.

    This lens is over 20 years old from a core design perspective, but when paired with the new Nikon D800, the results are spectacular. I received the lens yesterday, in time for a studio-based product shoot. Under controlled conditions, when you need to deliver razor sharp images and control everything that's in the full frame picture, this lens gives you unrivaled options and amazing images. In just one shoot, this expensive lens produced a return on investment and gave me confidence that it will be a long-term value, rivaling anything else in my kit.

    I am taking it out for field/event type work this weekend, but here are my favorite first-impression features for studio-based shoots (many of these attributes will of course be valuable in the field, too)

    - Focal length: The first telephoto I ever bought was a 135mm, in 1978, for a Pentax ME. In the era of DSLR and 10x zoom lenses, 135mm is somewhat overlooked... I love this focal length, and have forgotten how useful it is right out of the box. Portraits, product shots, and collapsing the background are all core benefits of this Prime lens. It's certainly no Macro, with a close focusing distance of just under 4 feet, but to my eye, it presents an excellent compositional framework, particularly to bring a viewer into the setting. Picture a nice bottle of wine placed between two glasses, under candle light. This focal length can render the subtleties and beauty of that scene in a compelling manner, without being macro-close for unnecessary detail, and still allowing other elements in the scene to provide context.

    - Lens quality and form factor: It's a weighty, dense lens. Black, crinkly, metal. Exceptional build. Certainly no compact, it feels great mounted on FX, seems like a natural fit for the mass of the D800. No tripod collar provided or needed. The left hand under the barrel happens naturally, and allows you to focus easily when not using AF, support the lens, and compose. The metal threads for the 72mm filter mount provide a very close coupling with a B&W UV filter.

    - 5 Rings: Like driving a really good stick shift, this old pro design Nikon D AF offers lots of manual control, and all the components operate in satisfying, responsive manner. The M-A Ring button would be at your left thumb when holding left-hand under the barrel, so you can press and turn for manual or AF as you like. And for those times when you prefer manual focus, the focus ring is exceptional under manual control, with perfect damping, and a wide latitude for precision, which you will need with all the other features of this lens (great for live-view critical focus checking). There are two aperture control rings, the traditional F2-F16 ring close to the body has the orange tab to set at F16 to allow for fully automatic Shutter, Program or Aperture priority shooting. The Defocus ring is at the front. More on that below. And even the lens hood has a machined quality -- turn and lock into place.

    - Image quality: the color, dynamic range, saturation, and overall quality of photos rendered by this glass is superb. Bokeh is exactly as you would hope and imagine -- creamy and beautiful.

    - Sharpness: pinpoint sharpness at 100-200-300% on screen for clarity of output on products, lettering, logos, etc. Corner to corner, edge to edge sharpness. Sharp from F2 to F11, and an incredibly wide sweet spot between 4.5 and F9. Use max resolution 36MP D800 with mirror-up, delayed shutter release, tripod mounted, etc. All those sharpness factors that come with the D800, and this lens will not run out of resolution. Virtually perfect clarity.

    - Control: You have the quality built in to this lens to deliver amazing images at F8 without much effort. That's expected. But you also have the versatility of it at 4.5, 2.8, and 2.0, with delivered benefits of lower ISO settings, lower noise, shallower depth of field, faster shutter speeds if needed. And above F8 if you need to slow things down even more, you can still be assured of exceptional balance between sharpness and depth control. And the Defocus ring allows you to precisely contour blurred images, wherever they fall. In the studio, this puts you in touch with placement and detail across the entire frame. You can use images in background or foreground as much for color or texture effects, placing them just so, and still count on the sharpness and shallow depth of field from the lens to focus on your subject. You can use the DC setting to add a touch more clarity to the immediate foreground while maintaining background Bokeh, and play around with various combinations to satisfy the most demanding applications and sets. It's like being able to read a double-breaking putt on a fast, contoured green, strike it with perfect speed, watch it navigate its course, and drop in. Extremely satisfying when everything falls into place. And you can probably master this lens much easier than putting!

    Things to bear in mind when using this exceptional lens:
    - Working Depth of Field is extremely shallow. Can't emphasize this enough. At F2, from a distance of 4 feet, do you know how much actual depth of field you have? Just over a quarter of an inch! When you stop down to F8, you gain exactly one inch, for 1-5/16". This is a sliver, and the margin of error is tiny. It means precise focusing, zero movement, and perfect alignment. Even the curvature of a bottle will render curved label lettering out of focus at this range. At a subject distance of 8 feet, your DOF range is 1.75 inches at F2, to 6 inches at F8. Keep this in mind as you plan your shoot. Focus on the nose and you might miss the eyes. Did I say that working DOF is very shallow? it is! Nikon was helpful to offer a DOF table on P53 of the instruction guide. I derived and wrote down the working DOF values on the page to remind me how thinly sliced the prosciutto can be below F8!

    - Defocus Control changes the focus distance of the lens to the subject. So you need to be disciplined in using this feature. Set your main Aperture first, then the DC ring as desired, then refocus the camera thru the viewfinder or Live View. You will see the distance indicator measuring a different subject distance. A setting at F5.6, with subject distance of 2 Meters, for instance, has a variation between 1.7 and 2.4 Meters when adjusting the DC from null to 5.6 in either Foreground or Background extremes. So it is critical to maintain discipline, and why DC is a welcome feature for controlled environments.

    - This is not a Macro lens. As mentioned, the close focusing distance is about 1.1M, just under 4 feet. You may have a tendency to push up against this because the images are so exceptionally crisp, clear and bright. But this lens is not for small products or objects. It is for close-ups of larger items in context with an environment, great for head shots in a beautiful setting. I can use a Macro lens to fill a frame with a wine label, for instance. This lens cannot do that. It will deliver the bottle from base to just below the neck. Of course, with the sharpness and resolution, you can always crop...

    - This is not a 300mm telephoto. On DX, which I will try this weekend, it should prove to be a fine 200mm F2 lens, so there is a useful reach and speed with this focal length, but it's not a substitute for a long tele for wildlife. Perhaps with a teleconverter? 400mm F4 on DX... hmmmm! May have to rethink this one.

    - This is not a kit zoom lens for kids and pets on a Saturday in the back yard. The multiple settings create choices, and can require upfront planning for maximum results. For event work, I will simplify, set to AF, use a consistent Aperture and fire away. The AF speed is fast (not as fast as a silent wave) and precise, with occasional hunting. So it may yet prove to be adequate in the field. But in the studio, the various settings offer many ways to handle a shot. Personally, I prefer thinking critically about the shot before taking it rather than sitting in Post figuring out how to adjust it.

    - This is not a cheap plastic G lens. Nor is it a weather-sealed lens. At $1300 new, this is a precision tool, purpose-built to last a professional throughout an entire career provided they take care of it. One you will be happy to use every time the occasion calls for it. Curiously, Nikon does not ship it with a case. Unexpected at this price. But old Jaguar E-types don't have airbags. Get a case. And put a clean, new high quality filter on it moment it arrives. If you do sell it down the line, chances are you will recover a substantial part of your investment... maybe 75%?

    - This lens has no VR. Well, so? We landed on the moon without using Google Maps or iPhone GPS. That said, the size and mass will allow you to hand-hold shots in low light at 1/100, 1/60, even 1/30 on occasion. On a monopod, the original VR setting, this will be a great match.

    Bottom line, this is an exceptional lens, very satisfying to use and delivers amazing results. You get out what you put in, and in today's disposable world, it's good to know that some 20+ year old designs are still highly useful. You may find yourself pulling out this lens anyway, because it can produce images of stunning quality, and perhaps because you will find it a joy to work with. That it will be a 200/F2 on DX, and should be a beast for 1080p Video is icing on the cake. A special lens, I wish I had bought it sooner!

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  2. shawnino

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    Hallelujah. This is my favourite lens. I am on DX but I'm so pleased to know that if I jump to FX this lens is ready for the ride.

    The main blog is muttering about a new 135mm f/1.8 and as it sits I cannot see myself switching regardless of the pricepoint of that new lens. I find the DC super useful and cannot see myself longing for an extra third-of-a-stop, even if it has magic nanocoating or VR.

    You do touch on the point that it's not weather sealed. This is the only thing I dislike about this lens. It's coming with me on a long trip later this year and I hope I don't get caught in bad weather with it.

    really enjoyed your review, although I guess I'm biased.

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  3. SquamishPhoto

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    Someones hooked. Be careful, it doesn't take long before one can get fully infected with lens lust, which, when left unchecked, can lead one down a very expensive, razor sharp, buttery smooth, bokeh riddled path of lens acquisition. I know this because I've been left unchecked before and it can get messy. Like today, I found a store that has the CZ 100mm f2 on for $1649 down from $2099. Did I have the power to say no?

    Of course not. :]

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  4. shawnino

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    Squamish: muhahahaha.

    This is my current debate. I have the 85mm 1.4D (love it) and the abover 135 f/2. I am wondering if I need to squeeze something inbetween. So gar I have resisted mightily,and told myself to use my feet to frame shots. But I like the look of that CZ. I also like the look of the "little brother" described by the OP: the 105mm f/2 DC. I have not tested that lens, but everything I've read says "it's exactly like the 135mm, just shorter". Ah, decisions. For now it's neither, but it's great to know one's options.

    Please post your thoughts on the CZ.

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  5. redirector

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    @shawnino: Thank you. So you've already loved this lens on DX? Great. Do you have a teleconverter? I do not. And I'm with you... given this lens, I don't see myself adding or swapping out for the 135 f1.8.... ditto the 85 f1.8 (I do not have the 85 1.4). I have the 24-70mm 2.8, a 50mm 1.8, a 180mm Macro 3.5, and a 20mm 2.8D... that should cover that range for a while! And I have a couple cheap DX lenses for 200-300++ when necessary.

    But as @Squamish so clearly explains, it's a very slippery slope! I prefer to look for specialty lenses that suit unique applications. Which of course would bring me into P-C Tilt/Shift land at some point. Now there's an 85mm lens I can get excited about! Crap.

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  6. El_Pickerel

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    As if I don't already have enough pretty lenses, I'm currently debating on what's going to come next. I have the new Tamron 24-70 VC on preorder, but it appears delayed. Now I'm thinking about maybe dropping that preorder and going for the 28mm f/1.8G and 85mm f/1.8G. I know whatever I get, I will use heavily (except my 100mm macro... haven't used that too often thanks to having a 70-200...) and not be regretted (except for the Tokina 28-80 f/2.8, purchased to fill that range until somebody introduced a midrange f/2.8 zoom with VR, and then not really used at all due to heinous flare and softness...)

    @redirector Love the 20mm f/2.8D! In spite of me having the 24mm f/1.4G and 16-35mm f/4G VR, the little 20mm still spends some quality time on my camera thanks to its small size and light weight.

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  7. redirector

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    @El_Pickerel -- you hit another hot button for me... given the quality and range of the 20mm 2.8D, I am struggling to justify $1000++ for a WA Zoom like the 16-35mm F4, or gads, all the way for the 14-24mm 2.8. Either way it's at least $250 per mm to go wider than the little 20! I like to go big or go home, and so far I'm not going anywhere!

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  8. FrankieB

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    Thanks for the great review. I too love the DC lenses and the old school build quality. Having used the 105 DC on the D800 and reading some reviews, the DC lenses seem to shine on the D800's. I have read of some users having focus issues with the DC lenses on previous models, but for some reason they work really well on the D800. I really like the 105 for shooting indoors and in some what tight spaces (5-10ft) where it's not possible to back up, and it's not completely in your face either for a portrait. It's a fun, somewhat under appreciated lens, that may gain in popularity since it works well with such a great camera.

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  9. shawnino

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    Redirector: I do not use a TC, no. And by the way, I love the 20mm f/2.8. It doesn't get as much play on my D90 as the Sigma 8-16mm though (a DX lens). I haven't made up my mind about the Sigma: is it an amazing lens, or did I just luck into an amazing copy? Whichever--it's working for me.

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  10. redirector

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    @FrankieB -- don't start making me envy the 105mm now!
    I don't work in tight spaces
    I don't work in tight spaces
    I don't work in tight spaces

    What's the close focusing minimum distance, by the way?

    @Shawnino -- I was curious about the Sigma.. Glad it works for you. I have the Nikkor 12-24 F4 for DX wide (and am keeping my D90, no reason to let it go, it's excellent -- in fact the ergs are so easy I like it even better for fast paced events). And that 12-24 is still quite useful even on FX, it's a very good lens with manageable distortion. And at 18mm, a touch wider than the good little 20. Which is another reason NOT to spend on a 16-35mm ultra wide for FX. I am running out of reasons here!

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  11. msmoto

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    OK, OK, this is what is sitting on my D4 right now! I love this. The PAD photo was done with this lens on my D90. Incredibly crisp. And as SquamishPhoto has stated.... these things can be addictive, or like an infection.... lens lust. But, as one uses lenses and finds what one does, then it becomes more likely one can utilize the equipment better. For example... why not use the 24-120mm VR or the 70-200mm VR at or near 135mm? Well, the f/2.0 is different than f/4 or 2.8. The bokah is different. The contrast on the 135mm seems to be somehow more finely delineated on the detail. The lens, in my opinion, and memory (which may be defective) seems to have the look of the German glass of the older Leicas.

    Having said all that, it could all be in my imagination as well. One more point. When we use more non-VR lenses, I think we might actually maintain a better shooting technique. Squeeeeeze the camera release. Breath carefully. Sometimes the VR is so easy to shoot, one forgets these things.

    So, long live the Queen....er, the 135mm f/2.0 Nikkor

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  12. FrankieB

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    @redirector

    I am not an enabler
    I am not an enabler
    I am not an enabler

    If you really want to do this to yourself, I'll check.

    I am surprised that there is not a Nikon Acquisition Syndrome Anonymous!

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  13. FrankieB

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    redirector said:
    @FrankieB -- don't start making me envy the 105mm now!
    I don't work in tight spaces
    I don't work in tight spaces
    I don't work in tight spaces

    What's the close focusing minimum distance, by the way?

    It's about 33 inches from newsprint on the wall to the focal plane indicator on the camera with the 105 DC. Just after that it's out of focus. I used a D4 for the test since I sold my D800 to feed my NAS. I'll probably get another one though, or a D800E, or some more glass, or both.

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  14. redirector

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    @FrankieB thank you. About a foot better than the 135.
    Can we do better stopping down. In other words is that 33" a physical limit, or does F16 bring you in closer optically?

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  15. FrankieB

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    That's a good question, and I checked again. I have a little more time now so I set up the tri-pod and again, 32-33 inches is as close as I can get from f/2 to f/16 from a flat subject matter to the focal plane indicator (D4 and 105DC). That's the physical limit of my set-up regardless of aperture. For me, that's what makes the 105 ideal for indoor and cramped quarters. I can be in a room or patio and be about 5-8 ft from my subjects and get nice shots from the waste up, or turn the camera vertically and get full body shots from head to toe. I find find that when standing too far back to compose a shot is when I get people walking in front of me, and too close I start violating people's comfort zone. Like you, I am also considering the other half of the combo, and in my case the 135 DC. I like these lenses that much.

    Another aspect of this lens, beyond all the great points you mentioned in your review, is that the DC ring is reminiscent of shooting film for some reason that I find hard to explain. DSLR's are great, but shooting film back in the day was like setting up an easel (tri-pod) and painting a picture, and that's what using the DC lens brings back for whatever reason. I'm going to stop now before I get to far off topic and talk my self into an F5 that I saw for sale, which would work with all of my lenses. NAS gets me every time.

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    @redirector....well now I know what NASA stands for, ha, ha, ha....and they use NIKONS!

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    redirector said:
    @El_Pickerel -- you hit another hot button for me... given the quality and range of the 20mm 2.8D, I am struggling to justify $1000++ for a WA Zoom like the 16-35mm F4, or gads, all the way for the 14-24mm 2.8. Either way it's at least $250 per mm to go wider than the little 20! I like to go big or go home, and so far I'm not going anywhere!

    The 16-35 is a vastly superior lens to the 20 2.8d. Resolution, color, AF wise. There are a lot of bad copies out there tho. I bought mine on ebay and I requested sample NEF files before buying and only one out of five lenses was showing no signs of decentering and was sharp, needless to say I really had to fight in order to win the auction so I probably ended up paying a bit more than the normal used price, at least I've gotten a really good copy...

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    DOF on page 53 of the instruction manual?

    I only have 40 pages in my manual. You sure you don't mean page 35? Or, do you have a newer manual?

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  19. shawnino

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    The main blog picked up this review. Well deserved.

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  20. redirector

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    JK1231 said:
    DOF on page 53 of the instruction manual?

    I only have 40 pages in my manual. You sure you don't mean page 35? Or, do you have a newer manual?

    Double checked... P52 and 53 are two tables, in meters and feet... Focused Distance down the page, F-stop across the top, and DOF ranges for each combination, from 4ft to infinity, and from F2 to F16. I have no idea about earlier versions.

    @shawnino... Thank you for the comment, I wasn't aware they would do this!

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    I have rented both the 105 and the 135 at various times and they're really wonderful lenses in the way they render people. With this lens and the right lighting, every man is handsome and every woman is gorgeous--it's uncanny. The one thing I would say is that wide open and at middle distances, there is some purple fringing with the 135.
    But otherwise, these are awesome in the way they help a photographer create art in a way that some more "modern" lenses cannot.

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    FrankieB said:

    Another aspect of this lens, beyond all the great points you mentioned in your review, is that the DC ring is reminiscent of shooting film for some reason that I find hard to explain. DSLR's are great, but shooting film back in the day was like setting up an easel (tri-pod) and painting a picture, and that's what using the DC lens brings back for whatever reason.

    I can see this point clearly now, about the film quality and painting a picture... I took the lens to an outdoor event over the weekend, using it on the D800 for a few background/ambience photos to round out the product job for the client. Landscape scenes take on a combination of dreamlike gaussy softness in foreground and background, slowly tightening to a sharp focus on the subject. But it is more than just out of focus quality, there is something to the way the colors are rendered in the bokeh, it is like a bit of "Impressionism" on canvas. A simple scene of yellow wild flowers, sun dappled and drapIng the floor of an oak grove, takes on a deeply contrasting almost haunting quality. A shot of a long barbed wire fence line, receding to infinity, also lined with profusion of red and yellow flushes of color, takes on a vintage-like quality. The rusty posts, the sharpness of the barbed wire, and the wash of floral color "flowing" from an infinite point, to focus 2/3 of the way thru the frame, to mass out of focus the final lower third... Snapshots turned into well regarded ambient pieces.

    And to your point bout setting up an easel and painting, that's also true in process and sequence. You start with one setting, and keep layering on adjustments, elements, areas of emphasis, de emphasis, etc, one at a time, until your final shots have managed to capture the layered sequence of composition in total. It is very satisfying.

    I also can see the point of the comment on the main blog, regarding the suitability of this lens vs the 85mm f1.4 for action-based events, the latter which should prove superior in agility, and equal in sharpness. And perhaps at 85mm the DOF is not so critically narrow a often as I encounter with a 135mm.

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  23. bigeater

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    Geez, we gotta stop this or the used price of this lens will skyrocket....

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  24. framer

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    I've been using the 105 dc for years it's a must have never sell lens. On a 1 - 5 scale it's a 10. I'm sure the 135dc is as good.

    framer

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  25. jmc6155

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    Framer,
    my 105 dc is on it's way from Amazon. I understand I will really have to see for myself, but other than portraits, will it be possible to put a canon 500D on the front and use it for macros?

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