I made a couple posts critical of NR for the hype in talking about new nikon cameras D400 even before nikon had delivered on current orders for the d4 and d800.
NR cancelled my posts and closed my registration.
NR has done a good service for the nikon users and i have used the forum for 3 years, but it has become a fully commercial site apparently dedicated to hyping Nikon.
The more power to you, but if you can't take a little criticism then you loose all credibility.
And yes Nikon does nothing to help people who had equipment stolen, and it's a shame because that could be addressed.
In fact what ever happened to that equipment stolen from a nikon official van in England? Anyone know of any reports on that?
NR is censoring criticism
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Posted 1 year ago #
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Really Maonua? The name of the name of the page is "Nikon Rumors" doesn't make to much sense to talk about rumors after a product is out. Then we'd have to call the site Nikon facts but that wouldn't be much fun would it?
Just to be sure I read everything on the main page about the D400, nothing I'd say qualifies as hype, maybe hope but not hype.
Really what should Nikon do for people who get their equipment stolen? When my car got stolen GM didn't help me other than offer to sell me a new one. What do you expect from a company?
Fully commercial? Well I don't think so but Admin could answer that. I would hope if it were fully commercial we could get some better intell on the D400.
Maonua, what do you expect this is a forum for people who really like Nikons. Stop whining or don't bother posting.
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Maonua , I dont agree your thoughts about D400. this is nikon rumor site and they should talk about the rumors. right?
however, id also say that i agree nikon rumor should be able to take criticism.
I also believe if nikon rumor does everything commercially and does not care about the readers, they readers will naturally leave this site. nikon rumor will end up closing.
I think criticism and suggestions is good for people although it sounds awful.
I hope nikon rumor continue add value to people and continue as a successful website.
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The discussion of new cameras on the horizon is nothing new here. It's what NR has been about since it was started.
Check out the thread about d800 supply issues and tell me you think the forum its somehow just an advertising vehicle for new nikon gear. I don't think you could count the number of threads where forum members give advice to newbies and they're not recommending the latest and greatest gear. Those posts don't mysteriously disappear.
I'll leave this thread open to let anyone else post about any censorship they've seen.
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I have been critical (constructively, I hope) of Nikon's product delivery process as well as some of their major Internet dealers on Nikon Rumors (who provide some level of support for NR). My posts have been accepted uncensored, and never has one been deleted. I find the information, PAD postings, and general discussion on Nikon Rumors both creatively and intellectually stimulating. It was also a posting by a Facebook member on the NR Facebook page that finally led me to a D800 delivery. I don't agree with everything posted or the sometimes wild speculation but I do value Nikon Rumors for what it is and believe their integrity to be intact.
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***PLEASE DO A FORUM SEARCH BEFORE STARTING NEW THREADS***
That is the 5th topic from the top.
The topic you started was when you ordered 2 D800s from B&H and when you received them and no other comment. That is clearly for "D800 orders from Amazon, B&H, Adorama, etc."
Having your thread closed because you didn't bother searching has nothing to do with censorship - it does has something to do with someone being lazy.
I do recall some vengeful and almost utter nonsensical threads disappearing. Don't know if they are yours or not. Glad they are gone either way. They added absolutely nothing to any discussion nor had anything to do with Nikon or photography. They were just a view into a life of a person who was frustrated at the world, and choose to purge their dissolutional reality onto this site.
Removing frustrated ramblings that have little basis of reality or with photography, are more then welcome in my mind.
Honestly if you don't like a site, don't go to it and don't post. It's senseless.
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Maonua said:
And yes Nikon does nothing to help people who had equipment stolen, and it's a shame because that could be addressed.In fact what ever happened to that equipment stolen from a nikon official van in England? Anyone know of any reports on that?
Nobody else seems to have picked up on this, so...
Is there something you want to share with us about this Mr./Mrs. Maonua?
Did you have gear stolen and Nikon did nothing to help YOU?
Are you an NPS member?
Did you have insurance?
I'm not trying to be insulting, just pointing out that if you have top end gear and rely on it for a living, which if you have two D800's you probably do, then if you don't have them insured, you can only blame yourself. Most professional associations also offer members policies to help out in these kind of situations.
Do you not think that blaming the manufacturer is a bit like blaming Honda/GM/Ford etc for all the thefts of or from Honda/GM/Ford etc cars?
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There is a 21 page thread about D800 orders...
There is a 5 page thread about D4/D800 issues...
There are a 5 and 20 page thread about D7000 issues...Seems legit to me.
And yes threads and posts can be deleted when they have nothing to do with the topics or are repetitive of other topics or like this thread are pointless...
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andrewz said:
Really Maonua? The name of the name of the page is "Nikon Rumors" doesn't make to much sense to talk about rumors after a product is out. Then we'd have to call the site Nikon facts but that wouldn't be much fun would it?Just to be sure I read everything on the main page about the D400, nothing I'd say qualifies as hype, maybe hope but not hype.
Really what should Nikon do for people who get their equipment stolen? When my car got stolen GM didn't help me other than offer to sell me a new one. What do you expect from a company?
Fully commercial? Well I don't think so but Admin could answer that. I would hope if it were fully commercial we could get some better intell on the D400.
Maonua, what do you expect this is a forum for people who really like Nikons. Stop whining or don't bother posting.
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You do raise an interesting issue of self-interest and censorship which actually applies to all similar websites. Let me elaborate.
Who owns Nikon Rumors? Who gets the money from the advertising? After expenses are paid how much money is left as profit or salary for the site owners? Are most of us spending our time creating free content for someone else to profit from? We don't know the answers to these questions. We never see the NR balance sheet do we? Why not? Because it is a private business and they don't have to show it to us. Certainly as we all post we are creating free content and certainly the owner of NR can keep any advertising income which exceeds expenses and certainly the more people who visit the site the more advertisers will pay to advertise here. Certainly, NR is a privately owned business and all of us who post are working for free providing value to the business. The same comments can be made about Facebook. All those people providing content free to Facebook which allows Facebook to charger advertisers a lot of money. What do we get out of NR? A service and some entertainment. What can we do if we don't want NR to make any money off our free labor? We can not post anything, just read the information on the main blog and read information posted by others. You can choose to "take" more than you "give" by reading and not posting. NR doesn't charge you to read this free content. It is true that underneath what appears to be a "club" of Nikon users is a business model and that model is necessary because some money is needed to pay operating expenses and some return is fair for the person who started NR and owns the site. Question: did Mark Zuckenburg get a fair return for the value he created for others through Facebook? That can be debated but those who used any site can be assumed to be using it because they find value in doing so.
Self-interest leading to censorship: Any business does have a self interest in wanting to stay alive and to generate a profit. NR wants to stay alive and generate a profit. This always creates to types of censorship issues: How much criticism do you allow of advertisers and how many links do you allow which tend to drive your traffic to other competing sites? NR doesn't want to offend and lose a big advertiser. NR doesn't want to send its traffic to other sites. Those are areas of self-interest where NR could put its best interests above those of its users. It is always a balancing act. I haven't seen NR removing criticisms of advertisers in order to protect is own income. But I am sure it is tempting and could have happened. After all I suspect NR has a way to simply delete a post rather than just close it so we would never know it was deleted. I have seen too many links removed in my opinion which seems suspiciously done to keep from diverting traffic to other sites. I sometimes see people discuss a particular product and tell us to search for it instead of just providing a link in fear that NR would remove the link. It would be much more convenient for us to simply follow a link than to have to conduct our own search. So I would say the "anti-link" policy of NR is a bit too restrictive and doesn't serve the NR user. I would say Moderators should simply follow a link and see if it is legitimate before censoring it. But then, I don't own NR and so I have no say in the policies it establishes.
There is a place for criticism, but at the end of the day NR is a privately owned business. We have to take what we can get here. NR is entitled to place its self-interest ahead of its users just as Adorama and B&H are entitled to place their self interest ahead of their customers.
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Good thoughts here, donaldejose. Let me respond to a couple of points.
First, as a moderator, my training consisted of...nothing...just admin and adamz pretty much saying, "Good luck, jonny!" There is no money involved—it's done completely on a volunteer basis.
Second, about links and negative comments regarding sponsors, NikoDoby was extremely strict about not posting links. If a user is brand new and posting links, I've seen adamz warn against and occasionally remove them. This to me seems less about protecting NR sponsors and more about not letting others use NR as an advertising vehicle. I haven't ever personally removed a link from anyone's post because I'd rather give people the benefit of the doubt, but have frequently deleted (disappeared) obvious spam posts that are filled with them. I agree with you about the link policy, but each moderator can read and enforce the forum rules as they interpret them. Removing links doesn't seem to help NR users short term (but it's only usually a minor inconvenience, anyway), but long term it may help keep the forum easier to use. As I said, it's a judgement call.
P.S. I don't even see the ads on this site or any site because I have adblock installed running google chrome. I don't think the site's sponsors would like to read that here, but it's not going to be censored, either.Great thoughts about providing free content. Admin, if you ever publicly list NR on a stock market, maybe you could give each of us users shares equal to the number of posts we've contributed. ;-) If that materializes, sorry about deleting your double post above, bjrichus!
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Good to hear about the "training" and "rules" moderators undergo and abide by. Sounds good to me. I was sure you folks worked for free. I am sure the owners of NR worked for free for months or years also.
I have noticed more links left in posts and I personally think that is an improvement. I especially appreciate links to discussions on topic posted elsewhere and links to products being discussed.
KR's website has a page just for links to other sites and to the work of other artists. I like that. I enjoy browsing through photos by other artists. I wouldn't mind checking out links people post to the websites of photographers they think are great. Perhaps NR could consider creating one spot (like PAD) where free advertising was allowed by posting links to other sites. We could go there and browse if we wanted to. Just a thought. I am well aware that NR can do whatever it wants. But anything which increases traffic will increase advertising revenue after all!
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jonnyapple said:
Great thoughts about providing free content. Admin, if you ever publicly list NR on a stock market, maybe you could give each of us users shares equal to the number of posts we've contributed. ;-) If that materializes, sorry about deleting your double post above, bjrichus!Darn it! There goes my fortune... LOL!
By the way, I know all the hardships of moderating on boards, it can be a nightmare, and you all have my sympathy on the admin team.
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I'm with donaldejose all the way on this one... especially the issue concerning outside links. I've seen many potentially useful links removed from threads without even a redirection or any allusion to what the links used to point to.
@ Admin & mods, is it possible to re-evaluate the link policy? I understand your concerns that others might be placing links solely for advertisement or to increase their ranking and in those cases I support your actions. However there are times when the links are essential to the topic of the thread or they provide a solution or some needed information. If you still must remove those links though, is it possible to at least place some hints as to how to arrive to that information (i.e. search for so and so)? Or break the links so that they don't contribute to a website's ranking.
I hope I'm not coming off as negative and too critical. I only meant to provide some objective and constructive criticism.
Posted 1 year ago # -
If the D400 hype is getting to you, just don't read it?
That's what I do. I find it kind of useless to speculate about a camera that isn't even out yet. Besides, I won't be buying such a camera anyway, so I just don't go to that section of the forum.
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donaldejose said:
Perhaps NR could consider creating one spot (like PAD) where free advertising was allowed by posting links to other sites. We could go there and browse if we wanted to. Just a thought. I am well aware that NR can do whatever it wants. But anything which increases traffic will increase advertising revenue after all!Such threads exist. Here's one from when there was going to be a wiki section of the forum. (The wiki itself was sadly overrun by spam and deleted.)
http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?id=472The forum used to be a much more link-friendly place. I used to put anchor tags within my posts, but then admin added an advertising add-on that made it hard to distinguish links that I was marking up in my posts from the ones that were added to keywords later, so I started posting entire urls. NikoDoby was very lenient with links as long as you had been on the forum for long enough that he knew you weren't just advertising—I don't remember ever having any of my links removed. I was careful to never do anything that could be seen as taking advantage of the forum—I never posted links from my ebay sales of photo equipment or anything. ;-)
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Thanks, never scrolled down the page far enough to find that Wiki stuff.
How about this as an idea?
Member to member sales? One spot where we can sell our gear to each other and pay by paypal? That might generate a lot of Nikon user traffic traffic and increase the "hit" count.
Posted 1 year ago # -
@jonnyapple....you mean you didn't get your salary check in the mail? Ha, ha, ha,..
As I read all the comments, I really have to laugh a bit. Was it Shakespeare who said something like 'you are complaining too much?'
And for those who know what is meant by this, it has a clear psychological meaning. When one complains or criticizes too much it is usually a projection of their internal issues, and may have little to do with reality.
See, now you may begin to figure what big gun cougar is about, ha, ha, ha....
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I love it. Some discussion.
I never posted any links to any of my sites, nor tried to promote myself through NR. Mybe I should.
Yes in fact I was insured, for a d3s and d700 and lenses that cost less than the replacement price. Of course the insurance was not enough. Lost my assignment and some work since. It did give me the chance to jump into the d800 and d4 order earlier than i would have. But I have had to endure 4 1/2 months with only rentals, borrowed and otherwise lesser cameras.
Nikon service centers in South America do not check serial numbers of material taken for repair against any list of stolen equipment. Nikon USA will only service equipment sold by nikon usa. Major retailers have their network of repair people who will not care where the stuff comes from. So I was told.
My previous alias account is showing as non existent.
Someone in here (you know who you are) went on a rant because i implied that NR is being paid off by nikon to hype new cameras and other gear. So is Ken Rockwell. I know everyone got make a living somehow.
Still waiting for the d4, working with the d800e and d7000. Just sold the d800 (on the way to Russia)so i can get some other nikon stuff. I have used nikon since the late 70's. Guess I fell under that spell and never left. Would like to know how many NPS's follow NR...
So far not tags on photos taken with my old cameras have popped up on the web. Just some feed back.
And by the way anything you say in here can be held against you in a court of NR users.
So go on ranting.Posted 1 year ago # -
donaldejose said:
Thanks, never scrolled down the page far enough to find that Wiki stuff.How about this as an idea?
Member to member sales? One spot where we can sell our gear to each other and pay by paypal? That might generate a lot of Nikon user traffic traffic and increase the "hit" count.
Normal people love the idea, but they get over run by scammers and spammers in no time flat.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Adding a PS to my previous post: Anyone remember my suggestion about implementing a per post ranking system where posts could possibly be down-ranked into oblivion?... it would have been useful in this thread... just saying :-)
Posted 1 year ago # -
How about this: you cannot sell on the members sales forum until you have been a member for a year and have posted at least 100 times? Then we would know someone selling was a real member and not a scammer or spammer? Scammers and spammers won't put in that much effort or wait that long?
By the way, I think all moderators should get a free D800 or D800e by Adorama and B&H jumping the mods ahead of all others on the waiting list. Come on camera stores, show some appreciation to our hard working moderators and write it off as advertising.
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spraynpray said:
Normal people love the idea, but they get over run by scammers and spammers in no time flat.NikonCafe has a For Sale forum that works rather well. These are their stipulations for gaining access to the For Sale forum:
"Eligibility. Members must have made at least 300 posts and been a member here for at least 180 days. This is an automatic part of the Nikon Cafe software; when eligibility has been met the member will automatically be given access to the For Sale forum. Repetitive, brief phrases or remarks do not necessarily count towards that total.
NO EXCEPTIONS."Most members have direct links to their personal photo pages in their signatures which makes it fairly simple to discern whether someone is legit or not. I've hear of hardly any issues resulting from sales, only stories of joy regarding the price and condition of the lens.
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Maonua said:
I love it. Some discussion.Rather telling you find this amusing.
Maonua, the rants are mostly about you, and your post being ridiculous - not NR. Your first post had 4 unrelated topics and now I counted 8 different topics in your last post. It appears you are trying to be just an antagonistic blog troll.
I started a thread for discussing allowing some links since I thought that was worthwhile. http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?id=6047
It seems rather apparent that the OP wants to amuse himself rather than actual discuss anything of importance.
I say we just let this thread die and move discussions to other threads.
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As for censorship, I have said more than one stupid thing here and never got deleted; I guess one has to be quite nasty...
I am all for deleting the trolls... Perhaps Maonua, you're not one but you can't blame the site if you sound like one, we get attacked all the time. Open your own rumors site and will see how you moderate it…
msmoto said:
...When one complains or criticizes too much it is usually a projection of their internal issues, and may have little to do with reality....That will teach us to argue with a psy... Now all of our inner working is exposed to all... ;->
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