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Hi!
I got my D800 last friday. Upgraded from D7000. So far I did not see any issue with camera shake causing soft images. No difference compared to the D7000 in that respect.
I used it with 105mm micro, 70-300mm and 24-70mm zooms.
It is an amazing camera. Big improvement over the D7000
Best regards
Thomas
I have shot some 600 images with my D800 using a variety of lenses and I have not had any blurring problems. Yesterday I shot some longer exposures in shutter priority mode using a 24-70 f/2.8 with just a handrail or rock to brace against. Even at more than 1 second exposure the pictures were crystal clear. I have also shot considerable numbers of photos using my 14-24 f/2.8 without any blurring. Both of the lenses are non-VR so I believe that provides a good test. I have not done many low light or evening/night shots yet but I cannot imagine handdeld work being any different from any other camera. If the loss of sharpness is caused from the image moving off sensor pixel during exposure I don't see that it makes much difference whether the camera has 12 or 36 million pixels. Movement is movement irrespective of the level of detail.
This may be a stupid question so I apologize up front if it is. The MP would be amazing for some really detailed macro shooting and I know landscape work I would like it. Hell even for cropping when needed, but I shoot a lot of shows in a dark venue with stage lights. Right now I'm shooting with a d700. Settings are as follows for average. 2.8 200 iso 2500 Thats the speed to freeze a fast moving dancer on stage for me. A 36mp image is not needed for these events.
So now the question;-) If I choose to use a smaller file size, less mp would that help with focusing issues that some seem to be having?
Thanks in advance for all that help. Im thinking of pulling the trigger on the d800 but the d3s is still a viable camera for me. I love available light shooting and the d4 is out of the question. To much investment in a body for me.
aetas said:
This may be a stupid question so I apologize up front if it is. The MP would be amazing for some really detailed macro shooting and I know landscape work I would like it. Hell even for cropping when needed, but I shoot a lot of shows in a dark venue with stage lights. Right now I'm shooting with a d700. Settings are as follows for average. 2.8 200 iso 2500 Thats the speed to freeze a fast moving dancer on stage for me. A 36mp image is not needed for these events.So now the question;-) If I choose to use a smaller file size, less mp would that help with focusing issues that some seem to be having?
Thanks in advance for all that help. Im thinking of pulling the trigger on the d800 but the d3s is still a viable camera for me. I love available light shooting and the d4 is out of the question. To much investment in a body for me.
No matter what the file size, you won't get more focusing issues or motion blur issues than a smaller image.
What I was getting at was at 12mp you never heard of focusing problems. Now that we are looking at 36 its starting to become a problem to some. I wanted to know in my case the only time I'm not able to absolutely dial in the focus would be a stage show. I have never had a problem at 12mp. If I was using the d800's 36mp for landscape work could I then just scale down the file to i think there is a 16mp file. Would that bring me about the same focusing as the d700?
I don't think I'm doing a hell of a good job explaining my question. Thanks for the help though.
aetas said:
Now that we are looking at 36 its starting to become a problem to some.
Hi aetas
Who is having a problem ??
I have a 700 and an 800. The focusing on the 700 is very good, but the 800 is, without doubt, much better
If you shoot at ISO 2500 the IQ on the 800 will be better than 700 but not by a huge amount. The big difference in IQ between the 700 and the 800 is at the lower ISO values
I spent some time yesterday evening photographing a prominent citizen here in my town. She is 93 years old and has the wrinkles, longish peach-fuzz, and blemishes typical of a mature woman. All shots were hand held using the 105 mm micro-nikkor outdoors using natural overcast daylight only.
Resolution! And more resolution! I'll have to do some work in post softening the images. I've never had to remove peach-fuzz from someone's face before using Photoshop, and I'm not sure how to do it yet. But the eyes look terrific, even through her spectacles. The white hair seems alive, something I've never seen, even in film. I will be looking at prints later today to see if what I can get on-screen can be printed. Actually, I don't want to remove the peach-fuzz and blemishes, but that's what the lady wants...
What a great camera. This much resolution makes for a different set of problems compared to not enough resolution, but give me the resolution.
aetas said:
What I was getting at was at 12mp you never heard of focusing problems. Now that we are looking at 36 its starting to become a problem to some. I wanted to know in my case the only time I'm not able to absolutely dial in the focus would be a stage show. I have never had a problem at 12mp. If I was using the d800's 36mp for landscape work could I then just scale down the file to i think there is a 16mp file. Would that bring me about the same focusing as the d700?I don't think I'm doing a hell of a good job explaining my question. Thanks for the help though.
If you don't have a problem at 12, then you would never have a problem at 36.
Wataru said:
I've never had to remove peach-fuzz from someone's face before using Photoshop, and I'm not sure how to do it yet.
If you have Lightroom, the skin softening brush is quite good and easy to use, it does not have the control you can get using layer and and masks in CS5
sevencrossing said:
If you have Lightroom, the skin softening brush is quite good and easy to use, it does not have the control you can get using layer and and masks in CS5
Thanks, sevencrossing. I actually tried that last night, but I think I'm going with using layers and a mask that I can erase around the eyes and hair. First I'll try printing "warts and all".
I find this camera shake concern pretty interesting. In fact, the D800 IS more likely to capture camera shake then say a D700. But you have to pixel peep. For any degree of camera motion, and given the same image, that motion is going to fall across more pixels with the D800 than with any other Nikon camera. However, if you don't have a camera shake problem now, then with a D800, while you may be able to resolve shake where you couldn't before, the images are still going to be sharper at any given print size than what you had previously. The D800 IS NOT more prone to camera shake problems, but it can resolve camera shake under conditions where lesser sensors cannot. This is an impressive feature... not an issue that should generate concern.
sevencrossing said:
there is an ease "button" on the LR4 brush, which i use for just this purposethat said, I suspect layers are a lot more flexible
I did a lot of post yesterday, and the layers were the way to go.
That said, I love the new features in LR4, which is all I use for my industrial photos. I just installed LR4 at the sheriff's department for their forensic photos.
I've not printed portraits before and I'm disappointed in the output from my Canon 9500 mkIII printer. I've got to work on the settings or paper profiles. The monitor looks fine.
I was playing around with the D800 yesterday morning using a Nikkor 60mm Micro lens on a tripod with remote shutter button. The subject was a fern taken about 6 inches away on auto focus.
First, I tried it with the mirror up and then used the remote on the tripod.
Next, I did a normal shot with the mirror down and the remote.
Then I pressed the shutter on the camera with the mirror up.
Finally, I pressed the shutter on the camera as carefully as I could with the mirror down.
As would be expected, the clearest image was when the mirror was up, on the tripod, with a remote shutter switch.
Everything else caused the 'double effect', which was only noticeable when magnifying at 100% or more after importing into PP software.
This camera really emphasizes my poor hand holding technique. I either need to practice and change how I shoot, or carry a tripod wherever I go. This is an incredible camera, and I hope to someday to able to utilize its power.
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