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SquamishPhoto said:
Camera likely would've been fine even if it had gone for a dip, but nonetheless the extra beef is more than welcome for me.
Ok, for a warzone AND/OR rock climbing AND/OR safari tour guide, lion taming, prison documentary, etc. a pro mag body is a good idea. But you wouldn't even be looking at a D600 for this kind of thing anyway, right?
For a lot of other stuff, polycarbonate is fine.
:)
It is all about the controls....yesterday, shooting a town on the brink of extinction, D90, D4, the controls of the D4 were so easy to change, the D90 a constant search for finding the focus change, then had to put on glasses to read, moving focus point, etc. And, while shooting, I am afraid I can be a little rough on equipment. I tend to be so mentally in to the particular shot, I forget where the second camera is going.
If the D600 has the "pro" controls it will be a great camera, If more the D7000 control interface....well...
Yes, you want the same controls on both bodies when using them interchangeably so you don't have to mentally remember where two different sets of controls are. Thus, the logical FX/DX pairings will be a D600 with a D7000 or a D4/D800 with a D400 because each pair will share the same control layout. The D600/D7000 pair will give you the benefit of lightness. The D4 or D800 with a D400 pair will give you the benefit of robustness at greater weight. Of course, there are other differences but as to body styles with the same or very similar control layouts I suggest the pairings above will make the most sense. This points out once again the need for a D400 based on the D800 body and how a D7100 or D7200, no matter how good the image quality, just won't substitute for a D300 because of its different size and control layout.
Here is an interesting catch by Darin from the main blog section:
The D600 is mentioned on Nikon's website under the notes section of the WU-1a adapter page.
http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Products/Product/Wireless/27081/WU-1a-Wireless-Mobile-Adapter.html
Here is the text from Nikon:
"The Wireless Mobile Adapter Utility Application must be installed on the smart device before it can be used with the WU-1b Wireless Mobile Adapter connected to the Nikon D600. The application can be downloaded free of charge from Google Play™. for use with an Android platform smartphone (2.3 series or later) and tablet (3.0 series or later). For the iOS mobile platform, the application can be downloaded free of charge from iTunes® online store on September 15, 2012 for use with iOS version 5.1 or 5.1.1."
Anyone has any idea what that means? Android/iOS compatibility?
Never mind my old post, I misunderstood what the adapter does in general.
Control from smart devices sounds great. It looks like I might be doing more iPad fun stuff with the D600 when it's in my hands.
It looks like the D600 is very real and may be on shelves sooner than we think if the software can be downloaded so soon too.
msmoto said:If the D600 has the "pro" controls it will be a great camera, If more the D7000 control interface....well...
I know the D800 is modeled to be similar to the layout of the D700, so aside from the dedicated metering switch around the AE-L/AF-L button, and how the AF area lock is located around the d-pad, and the ISO/WB/QUAL buttons on top instead of the back, what exactly makes the layout of the D700 or D800 more "pro" than the D7000? The only thing I can think of is you don't need to hold a button while spinning a wheel to change the metering. (not a big deal imho) Other than that, once you remember the layout, most settings can be changed with the VF at your eye.
I can see the intrinsic value of not having to remember WHERE a button or switch is when going from one body to the next, but I don't see which specific layout makes one more "pro" than the other, other than one happens to have a "auto" and scene modes (which I can't even remember ever using)
In fact, I would fault the D700 and D800 as being LESS pro by omitting the U1 and U2 feature. The ability to make one click on a dial change everything about the camera on the fly is about as "pro" as you can get. I can go from aperture priority to full manual mode for video with shutter speed, ISO speed, auto ISO, AF mode, etc all set instantly. It remembers everything. One of the most useful (and EFFICIENT) features on any camera I've ever used, and they don't put it on the pro bodies. Baffling.
R8R said:
Just installed the wireless app to my Galaxy SII. Now if only I had the damn camera...
I'm hoping that the rumors of the body only coming out long after the kit are untrue or else it may be longer before I can get one in my hands as well if the kit price is over my budget.
Prediction: D800 owners are going to rake this camera over the coals, because they are angry they spent too much on all those extra unused pixels...
:)
I kid though. Whatever body you shoot with, it's a good time to be into photography. Too many excellent choices in equipment = 1st world problem.
Australian vendor taking pre-orders for body only D600 at 2699 AUD (~2800 USD).
For comparison, same vendor has D800 for list price of 3899 AUD (~4000 USD).
Does that mean actual US price will be $2800 - $1000 = $1800?
http://www.ryda.com.au/Nikon-D600-Digital-SLR-Cameras-s/1346.htm
wow thats severe mark up iris chrome
iris chrome said:
Australian vendor taking pre-orders for body only D600 at 2699 AUD (~2800 USD).For comparison, same vendor has D800 for list price of 3899 AUD (~4000 USD).
Does that mean actual US price will be $2800 - $1000 = $1800?
http://www.ryda.com.au/Nikon-D600-Digital-SLR-Cameras-s/1346.htm
I suppose we shall see very soon. Very soon indeed.
starralazn said:
wow thats severe mark up iris chrome
I actually don't live in Australia so phewww but yeah I know what you mean.
OTOH, the prices I mentioned are list prices so guessing like Australian MSRP. The D800 is actually selling for ~3400 AUD on that website. I guess that's around 3550 USD.
rensuchan said:
I suppose we shall see very soon. Very soon indeed.
Uh...from that Aussie dealer:
"24.7 Megapixel
FX-Format (FULL FRAME) CMOS Sensor
Small and Lightweight body
EXPEED 3 Image Processor
39-point AF System
3.2" Wide Viewing LCD with 921k-dot Colour
Up to 4fps of Continuous Shooting"
Up to 4fps? I hope this is a typo or some people will blow a gasket.
I imagine if this thing is anywhere south of $1800 the price on used D700's and D7000's is going to plummet. Look for deals on Craig's List once this is announced.
You say that as though their prices haven't already plummeted. I only managed to get $1400 for mine. Admittedly it did have around 110,000 actuations so its not a huge surprise it went so low. But its easy to find a great deal right now if you're willing to roll the dice with shutter life, so no reason to wait - and I doubt it'll bump the price any further down than it is already even for newish bodies.
iris chrome said:
Australian vendor taking pre-orders for body only D600 at 2699 AUD (~2800 USD).
For comparison, same vendor has D800 for list price of 3899 AUD (~4000 USD).
Does that mean actual US price will be $2800 - $1000 = $1800?
If I am not mistaken they have to include taxes (VAT) in the stated price. That might be some or most of the difference.
R8R said:
...what exactly makes the layout of the D700 or D800 more "pro" than the D7000? The only thing I can think of is you don't need to hold a button while spinning a wheel to change the metering. ...
We have gone over this at length on the D300, D700, D3, etc. and what the differences are, including there are saved custom settings (I believe 99 in total) way beyond the D7000 level. The U1 and U2 was added to the "dumby" dial to accommodate canon users who moved over. I think I could store only 4-10 on my D80 in a similar way as my D300/D800. I wish Nikon would do a side by side of everything to put this to rest, but that probably goes against some marketing rule. There are literally 100s of different small features. If any of us would compile it, it would take having both cameras, both manuals and take days to compile. I wish I had the time to do it, but then again you could do it as well. :)
Some use them, some don't, most become accustom to a handful that makes their flow much better and that is why many (including me) find dropping down frustrating as hell. My workhorse camera will always have the pro features, but a back-up or secondary camera I'm not worried about. My X100 for instance sits on the same settings 90% of the time. The only thing I change is the auto iso settings. D300/D800 have 7 banks of settings that I move through all the time and I want to add about 10 more but just haven't. Personally I love buttons to change stuff without looking. If you are in bright sunlight, you really notice the advantage.
TaoTeJared said:
Personally I love buttons to change stuff without looking. If you are in bright sunlight, you really notice the advantage.
Well I guess they should just include a feature where you can set the Fn button to "Bank" and use the command or sub-command dials to scroll though the banked settings with the VF to your eye. Win/win.
Maybe I'll make some crazy feature comparison spreadsheet someday...
If that price in Aust is right, then expect the price in the US to be around $2k. The D800 was around $3,800 and for US is $3k. We can get the D800 for around $3.4k now. Yes, prices inflated in Australia....duty to taxes...
Wish I can buy overseas but the warranty is the issue...
Just reading more information on the product they say the price is a guide and it should not be exceeded but maybe considerably reduced. They say they are taking orders already and it will be received within 10 days.
They also say they are not 100% on the specs but would be made available as Nikon makes it available on the 13th.
I wonder whether other sites have some news...
Ouch...if the price is really $2700 I am in for none. Even if it is closer to $2500...still not. I would boot the extra $500 and get the D800 instead. Are we all underestimating the camera? In that price range it seems more like a D700 and something to compliment the D800 as a backup or maybe some more FPS without the high MP to have to be so precise. Seems like maybe Nikon was trying to expand their FX cameras to make them each have a specific use...at almost $3000 it is neither cheap or a "beginner" FX camera in my mind.
JohnSebs said:
Just reading more information on the product they say the price is a guide and it should not be exceeded but maybe considerably reduced. They say they are taking orders already and it will be received within 10 days.They also say they are not 100% on the specs but would be made available as Nikon makes it available on the 13th.
I wonder whether other sites have some news...
All the other sites quote NR as their source of information ;-)
As for the FPS...I assume there will be a grip and it would get the FPS into the 7-8 maybe 9 range.
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