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Eric

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@R8R - The D3 is a great camera. The high frame rate is an incredible tool. I have a D3, D4, D800E. I had a D3S, but I sold it (then ended up buying the D3 when I couldn't get a D4). Thus far my favorite is the D4. The D800 and the D3 are really entirely different cameras. For sports, wildlife, events or reportage, I would prefer the D3 to the D800. For portraiture, architecture, landscapes or studio work I prefer the D800. As a single camera option, the build and autonomy of the D3 can't be beat (although the D800 build is very good as well). From experience I can say that the fps can be very habit forming.

I have several DX cameras, and I have become stuck on FX, I love the viewfinder and the wide FX glass. I have taken a lot of great shots at 12mp. I previously posted this Photo to PAD:

It was taken with my D3 and is on my wall printed at 42 x 28 ... it looks great.

Disclosure: I am going to be selling the D3 as I think I am through the infant mortality phase of the D4. Drop me a line if you want more info.

Posted 9 months ago #
crude

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i wonder if nikon is going to release a new battery grip for the d600?????????????????

Posted 9 months ago #
msmoto

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Maybe the real question would be "Is Vello going to release a new battery grip for the D600?" at $69.95 USD vs. $249,98 USD for the Nikon grip, LOL.

Posted 9 months ago #
Eric

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... and with the new grip and a different battery you pick up 1.5 fps more.

Posted 9 months ago #
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A comment Thom Hogan posted on August 8th:

"I'll have much more to say later in the month when some products for which I was under a gentleman's agreement not to talk about finally appear (I honor all non-disclosure commitments, even verbal ones)."

Thom is a big Nikon DSLR fan with a Nikon blog and likely he is not talking about a coolpix camera. Therefore, it is likely he is talking about either the D400 (note his phrase "finally appear" which certainly is true of the D400!) or the D600 or both. Let's hope both are out by the end of August with shipments starting in September.

Posted 9 months ago #
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I also took note of his use of the plural form, but just now I am reading an article by Thom Hogan where he talks about Nikon launching another DSLR shortly. This will most likely be the D600 and this leaves me a bit worried that there will not be a D400.
As regards the discussion about wether the D600 will have a D7000 style body or a D300 style body, my photo dealer is of the opinion that it will have a D300 style body despite the leaked photos suggesting otherwise. He does not claim to have any inside information. While I hope that a D600 will have pro body, I personally find it unlikely unless there is no D400 of course. I don't see any room for two pro bodies (DX and FX) in roughly the same price range. As I have lenses which will work perfectly with an FX camera, it is no skin of my back if there won't be a D400, but I do think it will be a mmistake for Nikon not to have pro-bodied DX alternative.

Posted 9 months ago #
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The announcements for both the D600 and D400 will be about 6:30 PM on Tuesday the 18th of September at Photokina in Cologne at a nice reception by Nikon for the elite few who get invited. Sprechen Sie Deutsche?

Now, if you believe all this, I happen to have some oceanfront property in Colorado for sale......

Posted 9 months ago #
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Photoguy said:
I also took note of his use of the plural form, but just now I am reading an article by Thom Hogan where he talks about Nikon launching another DSLR shortly. This will most likely be the D600 and this leaves me a bit worried that there will not be a D400.
As regards the discussion about wether the D600 will have a D7000 style body or a D300 style body, my photo dealer is of the opinion that it will have a D300 style body despite the leaked photos suggesting otherwise.

Size wise, I think it's going to be somewhere in between the D800 and D7000.

I've actually done the nerd-tastic thing where I held up my D7000 to the leaked pics of the D600.

What I've observed, but keep in mind this is from leaked cell phone pics with bad angles:

1) The top LCD looks to be just a tad longer than the one on the D7000. In turn, there may be just a little bit more grip room in the front, which is a good thing. The D7000 feels great, but it's a tad cramped at the knuckles if you have big hands.

2) The shoulder angles are much more curved and swooped, like a mini D800.

3) The Fn and aperture preview buttons are in similar positions to the D7000, with the Fn button being a little more tucked closer to the lens mount. This sets it out of the way of your middle finger a bit more, which is a good thing.

4) The top area around the shutter release is larger to accommodate the exposure comp, meter mode and record button. This and the longer LCD again lead me to believe the grip is just a tad wider than the D7000.

Of course all of this is meaningless until you pick up the camera and feel the grip, but it looks promising.

I am betting they use the magnesium/polycarbonate hybrid chassis style from the D7000 for the D600. It's actually quit robust but it will keep the weight and obviously the cost down.

Posted 9 months ago #
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Good Post R&R!! I have read Thom Hogan's prediction and think it is the D600 coming out. (NOT THE D400). It will be interesting to see the reviews. Since it will have a Expeed 3 processor (I believe) it will be somewhat ahead of the D7000?? Still I'd like to see the D400, but this could get sales of folks who have sat on the fence+a lot of newbies. I also hope the pipeline gets filled fast as the sales will be robust. Now of to try to check out TaoTeJared's assessment of D800 low light and video?? I bought my D7000 after it was out for some time. You can wait too long before buying which I would point out is why we check NR in the first place to get a heads up so we can plan ahead. I always use the camera I have or even a camera that has some age on it and is available for rough field work. But it is nice to know what is coming. Not that Nikon gives any of us much advance notice!!

Posted 9 months ago #
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And as Thom points out today due to the flap about the D800 left focus issue,many folks who need a new DSLR might not pre-order Nikon's next offerings,and instead wait several months to make sure that they are bug free.

Posted 9 months ago #
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So we now have more details

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/08/30/updated-specifications-for-the-nikon-d600.aspx/#more-44016
any one tempted to get one
any Fx shooters looking at this as a second camera?

one thing missing is fps with the battery pack

Posted 8 months ago #
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Stupid question here: if only the top and back part are made of magnesium alloy - what's the rest of the body made of? Plastics?

The specs are appealing ... wonder how the sensor comes out.

The comment on U1, U2 buttons made my laugh - for some people, who "support their growing family through their website", this will instantly makre the D600 better than the D800, I guess ;-)

Posted 8 months ago #
msmoto

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What is missing is a "pro" body configuration. The controls are menu oriented or at least less easily changed as on the pro bodies. What the body is made of, no doubt is what very other DSLR Nikon is made of except the D300, the D4, and their predecessors, and the D800 and D700. As an entry into FX, probably a nice way to do it at $1500. If the announcement is prior to Photokina, this supports the September 18 announcement of the D400. It could be, the logical plan will not hold true, however.

Posted 8 months ago #
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It is without doubt not aimed at the professional market - that much is clear for all to see. Would it appeal to me (amateur) as an entry into FX (instead of a good used D700)? That depends on the sensor. If it has D700 ISO performance and 24mp then maybe I can do without the missing pro features.

Personally I would lean toward a D400 instead....

Posted 8 months ago #
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kenadams said:
Stupid question here: if only the top and back part are made of magnesium alloy - what's the rest of the body made of? Plastics?

This means it is an FX D7000, as it has been speculated for some time now. Mag alloy rear and top plate (yeah, because these area are the most likely to take a hit in a fall???) while the rest will have a polycarbonate construction. So again, just like the D7000 the mount will be into plastic...

Posted 8 months ago #
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kenadams said:
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The comment on U1, U2 buttons made my laugh - for some people, who "support their growing family through their website", this will instantly make the D600 better than the D800, I guess ;-)

According to Ren the D7000 is a better camera than the D800 so it will be interesting to see what he makes of the D600

I think we would get into trouble if we stared a thread

"Ren Crockwell' s review of the D600 all speculation here"

Posted 8 months ago #
msmoto

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sevencrossing said:
According to Ren the D7000 is a better camera than the D800 so it will be interesting to see what he makes of the D600

I think we would get into trouble if we stared a thread

"Ren Crockwell' s review of the D600 all speculation here"

Yeah, a mod might close the topic and refer you here, as Ren may not be able to tell the two cameras apart, :-)

http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?id=6487&page=4

Posted 8 months ago #
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Seven, appropos of our conversation the other day (D400? D600? Both?), I'm inclined to get one D800 body and be done with it. I think it was the lack of a full magnesium body.

Posted 8 months ago #
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More specs released on Nikon rumors today. This certainly sounds like an exciting and relevant release by Nikon. I think the most exciting thing is the sheer weight or lack thereof and the potential price tag.

Posted 8 months ago #
msmoto

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What is really fascinating is the fact on the main blog, two completely different cameras are seen, both labeled D600. One is considerably narrower, almost to the point of appearing difficult to hold. With this large disparity in the photos, it makes me wonder if Nikon is blowing smoke our direction.

Posted 8 months ago #
kenadams

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MsMoto, as far as I know, one is a design mockup by an independent techie or photog for a German photo mag, done before the real images leaked. I guess it was more or less wishful thinking.. The camera looks like a D800 with different model tag. I'd say the actual leaked pics are more probable to be close to the end result.

Posted 8 months ago #
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Ok so I'm hearing of a price range around $2199 for the kit and $1899 for the body only with body only not being available until early next year...

So it's within the range everybody was expecting but a little on the high side. My take: I don't know. It doesn't add up. The lens most expected to be bundled with the D600 is the new 24-85 which retails for $599. So even if Nikon discounts the bundle, it still wouldn't be $300. If anything, I say one of the prices is correct but not the other.

What do you guys think?

Posted 8 months ago #
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iris chrome said:
So even if Nikon discounts the bundle, it still wouldn't be $300. If anything, I say one of the prices is correct but not the other.

What do you guys think?

I'd *LIKE* the body to only option to cost less than the $1899 rumor that is doing the rounds now. The $1500 price would be nice... is it realistic? We'll find out soon enough.

The lower the price, the more I am sure they will sell (and my wallet will be happier), but of course, what works best for the corporation, is not always the lowest retail price...

Posted 8 months ago #
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I'm going out on a limb here to say unless you are a war photographer, do you really need an all-magnesium body? Weather proofing aside, how durable do you need it to be?

Seriously, how many camera bodies, on average, die of impact compared to all other issues like shutter failure, water ingress, etc?

If you are a casual or even pro shooter, how much abuse do you really subject your camera to? Most people baby their gear.

So what if the D600 is not 100% magnesium. Even if it's partially polycarbonate in construction, that is an INSANELY durable plastic. I mean they make bullet proof windows out of it. Do this: take a Nalgene polycarbonate plastic bottle, and try to break it on the ground. Go ahead, throw it on the concrete. It will just bounce.

I had a D70s that I bought with a crack in it. The original owner ran it into a BRICK WALL while it was hanging at his shoulder. He was running with it. Hairline crack, that was all.

People make the biggest deal about "pro" bodies but in reality there are multiple features externally on lower end DSLR's that were not available at all on "pro" bodies not long ago.

If the D600 has as many or more external controls as the D7000, what more could you ask for? There may be only one or two switches or buttons missing compared to say a D700. (and don't forget the U1 and U2 that if you ask me, should be included on ALL "pro" cameras)

Posted 8 months ago #
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Its about dents and dings as oppose to cracks. My friend has beat the living shit out of his D3 travelling around Canada and the US climbing mostly in various desert locations,in the high altitude alpine granite of the Bugaboos and the very solid granite of Squamish. More than once the camera has smacked the wall with a good amount of force and each time its just a big scratch, dent or notch taken out of the body. My D700 smacked a big river stone with the 14-24 mounted on it while I fell into the river and nearly broke my wrist keeping the camera out of the water. Only a small scratch that exposed a bit of the magnesium alloy underneath the paint. I was on my way back to my camera bag after taking this photo, which you can see in the top of the photo right near where I ended up falling in:

Camera likely would've been fine even if it had gone for a dip, but nonetheless the extra beef is more than welcome for me.

Posted 8 months ago #