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Wedding Photographer Upgrading Camera - D800 or D4 or D3s

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  • Started 1 year ago by Jonmphotography
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  1. james.mannequindisplay

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    I to have the D700 and I had my D300 as a back-up camera and my main 3 lens are the 70-200mm 2.8 VR2 - 24-70mm 2.8 and the 14-24mm 2.8 as I was caught with the same question as sure lot's of people want to go with the D800 due to the 36mp sensor but all my clients don't want a image that size or have the computing power to deal with them. I went with the D4 as to it's high ISO, it's long shutter life and it's strong build. And if you not shooting weddings you can have the speed as well if you want to take in some sport games for some sun action shots. Lot's of people will like I said will choose the D800 for the price but I have a bad habit on killing Shutters ever two years for the amount of images I love to shoot as my D700 is at Nikon getting repaired and I still waiting for my D4 to arrive

    On another note the D3S had a better ISO range over the D3X so the D700 was after the D3S

    Posted 11 months ago #
  2. Jonmphotography

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    Ok Im back after a long summer of photography, and a lot of decision making. I ended up buying the D4. and keeping my D700 as backup. I got rid of my other cameras as they were rendered obsolete with the new D4.

    My set up now consists of the D4 and D700 bodies, 18-35mm, 24-70mm, 50mm, and 70-200mm lenses, a SB-600 and SB-700, and a pocketwizard transmitter and transceiver with assorted filters and accessories.

    I did so much debating before deciding to bite the expensive bullet that is buying the D4. I thought the D800 would do, or even just going with 2 D700's. Now that I do have the D4 I can tell you that it was money well spent. It is on a completely different level than the D700. The D800 would have been a giant mistake due to the massive pixel count. The D4 is amazingly fast and easy to use. The pictures are better than any i could produce prior to owning it. The autofocus improved on what was already the best autofocus out there. The dynamic range is spectacular. I can go on and on to why the D4 is superior to any other nikon camera (probably most if not all canons too, but im not qualified to give a definite answer as all i have shot is nikon) but I dont have the time.

    And for all the pixel counters that claim the d800 is the d4 in a smaller body but with a even larger picture, you are just wrong. All you are doing is deceiving people out there that are doing their homework trying to make the best decision. After many discussions with professionals that have used both, and now my own hands on experience, there is no comparison to the quality and ease of use that the D4 brings. It is a camera geared specifically for professionals, with speed (speed to handle and shoot), ease of use and image quality in mind.

    The only slight that i have towards it are the two new joysticks that wont customize to many other features than the standard, and that they removed the afc option on the front switch along with the focus type on the bottom right of the lcd screen. These have been replaced with a button to press where the af or manuel switch is. You hold it and wind the thumb dial. Its a little more of a pain, but nothing i cant get used to.

    So if you are a photographer that legitimately makes a living doing photography, buy a D4, dont cheap out and get a D800 (unless your only goal is to get a great landscape shot) or the new D600, those each fall short in one area or another, the D4 is the complete package, and im excited to own it for the years to come. The shutter is rated at 400,000 shots, so im guessing ill be looking at upgrading to a D5 before that ever wears out.

    Now with that said, if you just cant afford the D4 the D700 is still a great camera, I know the D600 just came out, but you will be giving up some features that the D700 has like the 51pt autofocus for 39 and the max shutter speed, along with a few other things. It does have a larger picture at 24 mp, but to me it wasnt worth upgrading. You can decide otherwise, both are great.

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    Posted 8 months ago #
  3. msmoto

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    Gee whiz... as a paparazzi camera, the D4 is a sweet camera...and I will be trying it on a wedding soon... my youngest son's...They will let me do some candid shots after the ceremony.

    And, no question, the D4 does about everything....I think I have posted some candid architectural shots which demonstrate this. But, one can have two D800's or one D4....and in shooting weddings, I have seen enough examples to clearly demonstrate the D800 is excellent and with two bodies, it is so much easier to do the assignment than if one has to change lenses on one body.

    So, if money has anything to do with it...maybe two D800s trump one D4. On the other hand, If there is no money issue, two D4's would certainly be nice.... Or as a few of our members have...one of each.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  4. sevencrossing

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    Jon Photography said:
    The D800 would have been a giant mistake due to the massive pixel count.

    Jon
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    Thanks for all the feed back Jon

    If I ever went back to doing weddings, you have convinced me, a D4 would be the way to go

    I shoot mostly landscapes and have the awesome D800 ( the cost and weight put me off a D4)

    but I am intrigued by your massive pixel comment

    Have you tried a D800? and were do the problems occur?

    Posted 8 months ago #
  5. sevencrossing

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    msmoto said:

    So, if money has anything to do with it...maybe two D800s trump one D4.

    yes but Jon like many people buying a D4 already have a D3 or D700 as a second camera

    I have a D800 but if I did wedding full time , I think would add a D4, not another D800

    Posted 8 months ago #
  6. framer

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    One thing that's not been said. When shooting a wedding you are part of the show. A bigger camera makes you a bit more important in some peoples eyes. I should underline the word "SOME". A big camera bag and a good assistant also helps. D4, D3s wins.

    framer

    Posted 8 months ago #
  7. sevencrossing

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    framer said:
    A bigger camera makes you a bit more important in some peoples eyes.

    I am the only person who fits a battery back for this very reason ?

    there are times when I want to be a fly on the wall
    but sometimes it is important to "look the part"

    Posted 8 months ago #
  8. msmoto

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    Look the part.... the last time I shot the NAIAS, (Detroit auto show) I used a D200 on a monopod, D90 around the neck, carried a back pack, and when I walked through the crowd it was like the parting of the Red Sea. A great benefit, especially if one has a large credentials badge hanging from the neck. In a public venue, no crowd control, as in a wedding, sometimes one can get control of the situation better with the "look" of someone who is supposed to be there.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  9. Orange Lemur studio

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    I mainly do wedding photography and use D700 for last few years.I can't complain I'm very happy from my D700, maybe in the future I will keep it as a back up and buy D 800 but need to wait for more tests and opinions if its worth that price.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  10. donaldejose

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    Consider also a D600; if the size, build and weight are good for you. You can save $1,000 and the DxOMark scores are only one point apart. I cannot imagine any client wanting a print larger than the D600 can produce at top notch quality. Don't need the additional 12mp the D800 provides. Put a battery grip on for vertical shutter release and a more professional look.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  11. SkintBrit

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    msmoto said:
    Gee whiz... as a paparazzi camera, the D4 is a sweet camera...and I will be trying it on a wedding soon... my youngest son's...They will let me do some candid shots after the ceremony.

    And, no question, the D4 does about everything....I think I have posted some candid architectural shots which demonstrate this. But, one can have two D800's or one D4....and in shooting weddings, I have seen enough examples to clearly demonstrate the D800 is excellent and with two bodies, it is so much easier to do the assignment than if one has to change lenses on one body.

    So, if money has anything to do with it...maybe two D800s trump one D4. On the other hand, If there is no money issue, two D4's would certainly be nice.... Or as a few of our members have...one of each.

    Plus 1 msmoto. Your describing my future dilemma.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  12. SkintBrit

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    sevencrossing said:
    I am the only person who fits a battery back for this very reason ?

    there are times when I want to be a fly on the wall
    but sometimes it is important to "look the part"

    No you're not alone, and very much correct. When the brides father (normally) is being asked to part with a 4 figure sum for the photographer, he doesn't want to see the guy or gal turn up with a camera that cost a quarter of his fee. I have been itching to try and shoot a wedding with a couple of Fuji xpro-1's, as I'm sure they would do a pretty good job, and weigh about 100 lbs less than my current set up :-) but have concerns about their perception in this regard. Also with regard to having two different camera body's when shooting in a high stress environment like a wedding, when I finally change my D3s/D700 combo, I will DEFINATELY buy two of the same, as I find switching between the two slows me down currently, in spite of doing my best to exactly duplicate the controls on both the best I can.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  13. fishnose

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    Sure the D4 is a great camera - made for specific situations. And the D800 is a great camera made for specific situations. But both do very well in all situations.

    I've even used a D800 for action (Triathlon World Cup for instance) and it did a fantastic job. Only thing missing is high FPS, but that's about it.

    I've heard this nonsense about how the D800 is only suitable for landscape photography. A really tired old story. In fact it is a marvellous walkaround that can handle anything.
    Why do you think the D800 scores the highest in DxO tests of any camera ever tested? Because it's that good.

    Sure, the D4 is bloody marvellous and if you're a pro you're bound to have one. I wish I could afford both.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  14. fishnose

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    About 'looking the part' - yes this is very important indeed.
    I even have customers (mostly big companies) perusing my equipment and having questions and opinions about it - knowledgeable and interested people. You MUST have good stuff or they won't take you seriously.
    A grip on any camera that doesn't have an integrated grip is a necessity here.
    Dress the part, act the part, look the part, have the right stuff in your hand.
    Don't even THINK of turning up for a shoot with just a small camera (even a Leica), no matter how cool you think it is.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  15. toomsmith

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    Thank you for sharing this I am also a wedding photographer and want to upgrade my camera thank you for your review and suggestion.

    Posted 8 months ago #

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