Sorry dellaaa,. but you do know that the response you got is you own doing don't you :-)
Just try this experiment .. go whispering to someone.. they will whisper back to you!! lol
GETTING FED UP WITH NIKON, ANYONE ELSE??
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Let me clean things up.
12 MP in late 2009 is getting low, the other brands make more mp cameras and it is true that the D300, D90, D5000 suite seems redundant with all the same sensors.. and now the D300s... and then a possible D3s and D700s upgrade with again, 12mp... These upgrades will have (and are already having) a hard time following the competition (7D, sony's new FX stuff, upcoming stuff from other companies.. maybe even pentax.. also the 60D and 550D) But in the end, Nikon cameras (D300 and up) still have superior quality build and weather sealing , superior AF and a great user interface. And that's why they are still great cameras.
When the D3/D300 combo got released, every other brand looked like they were behind... They (canon and maybe sony?) worked hard to catch up while Nikon is still working on their next big thing. In between, Nikon still wants to make money and offer new stuff to keep the attention on them.. that's what the S cameras are for. I wouldn't be surprised that the D4 and D400 retake the lead lost by Nikon the same way the D3 and D300 did.. I mean.. the D2xs and D200 were really outdated piece of crap by the time the D3 D300 got announced. (excluding maybe iso 100 performance)
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Sorry to offend you dellaaa we were just trying to move down to your level of intelligence, hope other forums will guide to your next photographic level, just show them how smart you really are and they will know how to properly help you out, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT. BTW there are actual a few on this forum that could have given you great equipment advice to make the most out of your Nikkor lenses, Nikon has what they have, they are/have been the best is some aspect of camera tech, but yes they are at this moment a bit behind in the MP war, if that is all that you think is going allow you to take great pictures, get the A850 and be done. Higher MP Nikon's will be made, I am certainly not waiting for them, but getting the best out of what I have now
Pete
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hehehe, it looks like I've lost a nice thread :) why this doesn't happen when I sit in front of my screen and only when I'm out... but... I actually get Your point dellaaa, indeed the sony pricing is really tempting, canons P&S are the best on the market, and interchangeable lenses from Panasonic and Olympus looks quite good, but OTOH I love my Nikon, the way I can control it (without thinking where something might be), and more over if I could find a reasonable explanation to get d3x, I would go for it, as it's the best landscape/studio 35mm camera on the market. It is ridiculously overpriced, but it's not a camera for daily uses. F**k, who needs 24Mp's for amateur pictures, moreover who needs 12Mps. IMHO only those ones who instead of taking pictures are willing to spend most of their times on thinking either d3x is too price or a850 is better than d300s. So my suggestion for You is: go out and start taking pictures, even with Your g10 You can take great shots and probably still this camera has much more features than most of us needs.
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Dellaaa I have a feeling you don't spend much time in internet forums. Well besides the Star Trek boards that is. If you did you'd understand about the All CAPS thing.
You see dellaaa the people on this forum are an extremely peaceful civilization. I find your response to be highly illogical. Perhaps you should beam into another thread and try asking a more prudent query captain. I also recommend, captain, that your away team's phasers not be set to "kill" upon first contact. As it will only complicate matters further.
Damn it dellaaa, I'm a photographer, not a moon shuttle conductor!
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Many, many thanks to all you kind, caring and nurturing souls who gave me not only PC forum etiquette pointers, but photo help as well. Again many thanks.
I guess anytime someone criticizes Nikon's equipment line, the standard answer are "You don't need it", "Go take better pictures" or "It wont make you take a better picture" Duh. Again that's not what this is about.
Fact is I did learn something from this
a) Despite what you think, I don't hate Nikon, I have boxes of their equipment. I hate the fact that they are slipping (look at the market share today, Sony is #1).
b) I hate the fact that they have really abandoned serious amateurs. If you want a middle of the road, very capable SLR, they got em. Want to sell a kidney, or first born to buy a camera, they got em. You are a serious amateur who wants an affordable kick ass, drool over, state of the art camera, ............... (waiting)
Fact is I really, really want a 24Mp body to use all my AIS lenses on.
SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers
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Apology accepted dellaaa :^)
Sony is not #1, they are in fact #3. Your reading the graph wrong. I agree Nikon's Coolpix line sucks and I wouldn't recommend any of them. I disagree that Nikon has abandoned serious amateurs. On the contrary, Nikon has a very strong entry level DSLR line up. Lots to choose from. From the time Nikon introduced the Coolpix 8400 to now, they have developed great DSLRs that have helped them GAIN against canon.
What's your idea of a "kick ass, drool over, state of the art camera"?
Panasonic doesn't have a rangefinder. The GH and GF are just EVIL (Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens) cameras. A rangefinder is something different.
Canon's 7D is 18megapixels not 20.
The 24mp Sony a850 is cheap but have you ever used a Sony DSLR? Or at least have you picked one up? Not very ergonomical. Button layout and menu is not good. They want to win new users on price and new camera intros every 6 months. Not with innovative new features and design. At least not yet.
And one more question dellaaa. What was in all those Nikon boxes you have?
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My boss always says that "Price only matters in the absence of value". I think that has some applicability here.
Is Nikon slipping on the innovation front? Maybe, but my guess is that this has a lot more to do with product cycles. That said, in the last 12 months or so, Nikon has delivered some pretty cool stuff:
October 2008 - The Nikon D90, The first SLR with video (can you believe its been out less than a year?
December 2009 - The Nikon D3x - The best 35mm digital camera on the market today
February 2009 - 35mm F1.8 DX Prime - Nothing revolutionary, but its my go-to lens for walk around shooting
April 2009 - 10-24mm zoom - The widest zoom available on any DX body... and it goes all the way to 24
May 2009 - Nikon D5000 - Nikon's first tilt screen DSLR (Not a market first, but they did beat Cannon)
August 2009 - The projector cam! - I have no idea why anyone would want this... but it is innovative.
November 2009 - Updated 70-200 f2.8 - Potentially the best tele-zoom on the market (We'll have to wait and see)So I don't think its fair to say that Nikon isn't innovating, but they do save most of their best stuff for the holiday season. So your seeing some of the other camera makers look like they are leaving Nikon behind. I think its important to note that the MP wars are coming to an end... at least on DX, which will probably top out around 24MP. You can't resolve today's glass past that point. It doesn't bother me that Cannon has a DX (APS-C?) body with 20% more resolution than nikon. I'd rather see Nikon steer their efforts towards usability and other features. I can wait a few months for more pixels.
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willis - "April 2009 - 10-24mm zoom - The widest zoom available on any DX body... and it goes all the way to 24" - and I was using my sigma 10-20 long before Nikon announced sth similar
"November 2009 - Updated 70-200 f2.8 " - IMHO sony's 70-200 is the leader, but I might be wrongdellaaa - once again I understand Your point of view that that Nikon is not deploying products some of us want, but do You really need 24mpx?
Niko - please don't forget about the new Leica M9 - I don't know if Leica already belongs to panasonic, or they only cooperating, as for sony - indeed the menu sucks, but button ergonomics doesn't, at least in my hands (and I have big hands) a900 feels very comfortable
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Nope Leica is still it's own company and Panasonic can't count the M9 as one of it's own.
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Fair enough adamz... I was kind of cheating on the 70-200. It's easy to declare something superior when nobody has a copy to prove you wrong :) I suspect the Nikon will be as good or better than the Sony. The old version was already pretty impressive, so you've got to step up your game if your going to charge an extra $500
As for the wide angle, I just meant that nobody has anything wider...
I'm just saying its not as though Nikon is just lollygagging around. I've been very pleased with some of their releases this year, and the year isn't over yet.
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Lollygagging?! Whoa what year is this? I haven't heard anyone say that since Ike was in the White House! Your making me feel damn old son!
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About the wide end...
Olympus has their 7-14 which gives an equivalent of 14-28.
Even if it's on 4/3, they are still wider.
We need a 9mm wide end on dx.
and I want a non-fish eye 12mm on FX.
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9mm?! What's wrong with the 10mm DX? You are one picky guy jbl :^)
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The 10-24 works well for me. If I need to cram more stuff in the frame, I use the 10.5/2.8 and correct for curvature in Capture NX2 or Photoshop.
If you need much more in the frame, get a Gigapan (cannot hold anything bigger than a D90 now) and stitch it all together.
For full frame, nothing on the market is better than the 14-24, even Canon shooters are getting it modified.
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to the OP:
If you think Nikon's line is slipping, first of all compare the resulting photos of all current dSLRs... remember we purchase cameras for their output not their tech specs. We all know MP is not an adequate measurement of quality.
go beyond the numbers... this is why a lot of my fellow engineers shoot canon, because numbers mean a lot to them. If you look at tests youll see Nikons equipment takes an excellent image, often better than its competitors in the same price range.
Now: pick one up. Compare the way it feels in your hand to its competitors. The ergonomics within the Nikon line are awesome(at least for my hands). They make their cameras comfortable and intuitive. I can't say the same about sony's products, and I find canon's amateur offerings to feel more cheap and not as comfortable in the hand. I can't speak for the cameras at the top of their line.
Its a matter of preference, but there is a reason Nikon is as popular as they are. And that reason is not Ken Rockwell.
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Innovation? I don't really think that Nikon can be thought of as particularly innovative. I would be more likely to call them somewhat conservative. I think this leads to some good, well thought out products that are reliable, handle and work very well.
As for offering something for advanced shooters I think that for overall handling and image quality the D300 is tough to beat. If you have a lot of old Nikon glass or you (or your ego) need full frame than the D700 is a great bet. Neither camera may win the megapixel race, but the image quality (esp at high ISO) is there.
As far as financial stuff goes, in DSLR sales Nikon is one of three companies to post a market share gain, being beaten out only by Sony.
Room for improvement, yes there is, but I think overall Nikon has a solid lineup that provides something that would suite the needs of many different photographers.
If I were king, I would love a camera body with the handling, controls, and basic feature set of a D300 in a D60 weight/size package along with a handful of compact, lightweight lenses to match, but nobody is doing that right now. (Although Olympus keeps inching closer.)
Bottom line is, if you don't like what Nikon has to offer, go buy something else. There are plenty of companies who would love to have your business. You seem incredibly upset (maybe that is the all caps posting.) It's just a camera after all.
Jim Couch
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Nikon has had a lot of "first" complishments lately.
First video capable DSLR, D90
First camera with a projector, S1000pj
First $8,000 dollar 24megapixel DSLR, D3X :^)
First 51 point autofocus
First 12800 and 25600 ISO
First with 921,000 dot LCD screen
First to get my moneyI strongly believe Nikon engineers are a very talented group :^)
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NikoDoby, I totally agree with you. I've been a Nikon man since I first picked up the D70. I had always used Canon and for medium format, Mamiya RB67. I was easing into digital and actually went into the store with the intent to purchase a Canon Rebel XT. I picked up the Canon.. put it down and tried the Nikon.. picked up the Canon one more time simply because I couldn't believe the very cheap feel and then purchased the Nikon. I read about the newer Canons but never considered not buying the D300s, which I'm happy to report that I'm very pleased with. Oh, and someone tried to compare his 50D to my D300s a couple days ago as he looked and touched with envy.
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I never plan to get rid of my D70.
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I wish that they would update their line up a lot quicker to the AFS version. (so I can snatch up cheaper the AFD versions). But seriously I want to see update primes sooner than later. And PLEASE don't do this supply and demand crap. I am tired of waiting months to finally get my new camera or lens. All the prices are highly inflated. Give me a break.
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poster - and I OTOH would love to slow the race down a little bit, we don't need new dslr every year, there are some lenses that needs to be refreshed in Nikon lineup, but firstly I would love to see the lenses that are missing
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The forum got it's first troll. That means you made it!
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This troll doesn't seem to be all that mean though. :D
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@NikoDoby: Me too! I love my D70! After all, it's the camera that made me who I am.
It's such a great camera—in fact in some ways better than the D80 and D90! Better flash sync, 1/8000 top shutter speed, and a 1005 pixel RGB sensor. I had always taken these features for granted, and was very surprised when I realized the D80 and D90 lacked them.
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