GETTING FED UP WITH NIKON, ANYONE ELSE??

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GETTING FED UP WITH NIKON, ANYONE ELSE??

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dellaaa

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HEY WHATS UP WITH NIKON? THEY USED TO BE INNOVATIVE AND KIND OF KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH ADVANCED AMATEURS (F100, D200).

IF YOU TAKE AWAY THEIR OBSCENELY PRICED D3X, THE REST OF THEIR LINE IS SO MEDIOCRE ITS PITIFUL. 12 MEG PIXEL, WITH NO IN BODY STABILIZATION IS THE BEST THEY CAN DO? SONY HAS TWO 24MEG PIXEL CAMERAS WITH STABILIZATION FOR ADVANCED SHOOTERS (900 AND 850), OLYMPUS AND PANASONIC HAVE VERY COOL INTERCHANGEABLE LENS RANGEFINDERS, CANON HAS THE BEST P&S IN THE G10 (WHICH I USE NOW) AND A 20 MEG SEMI PRO.

WHAT IS NIKON THINKING? THEY POSTED RECORD LOSSES, AND WITH THEIR PRODUCT LINE, I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY.

THEY MAKE NOTHING AT THE CURRENT TIME THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE, NOTHING. WOULDN'T YOU HAVE TO BUY THE INTERCHANGEABLE LENS RANGEFINDER IF NIKON MADE IT AND NOT PANASONIC OR OLYMPUS?

I HAVE A DOZEN BEAUTIFUL PIECES (16mm TO 300MM) OF NIKON GLASS FROM FILM DAYS, WHEN WILL THEY PRODUCE A 24 MEG PIXEL SEMI PRO BODY ALREADY?

I AM STARING TO REALLY DISLIKE THE COMPANY AND WHAT THEY PRODUCE, DOES ANYONE ELSE FEEL THIS WAY.

THE SONY 850 AT 1999 IS LOOKING SOOOOO GOOD.

Posted 3 years ago #
Regulator75

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Wow, easy on the CAPSLOCK button... Why are you yelling?

Posted 3 years ago #
ted2001

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I love my D90. I think the price/quality very competitive. I also find 12MP more than adequate for all of my needs. I'm also not so sure I care about IS in body - since I don't think it would any more effective when working at macro distances than VR in lenses.

Mounting SLR lenses on a rangefinder doesn't take advantage of no-mirror-in-the-box. If you've seen the lenses from Leica and Contax (for G2), and then looked at SLr lenses the difference is obvious.

Most of Nikon's financial losses are from their semi-conductor equipment division, not photographic products (please get your facts straight).

Canon reduced the MPs for the successor to your G10, so you certainly wouldn't want "upgrade" that.

Posted 3 years ago #
dellaaa

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I am glad you are happy with the D90. I consider it a yawn, sorry but I do, its so middle of the road, nothing special, not the type equipment I was attracted to Nikon to 15 years ago.

Yes in camera stabilization has no performance advantage over in lens, but with non a VR lens it has a huge advantage over in lens stabilization.

12MP may be enough for you, but not for me. In the film days people would lug huge equipment to get higher resolution and image quality. Why would you not want more resolution if you could have it? If your D90 could be magically transformed to full frame and 24MP would you say no?

I wasn't talking about mounting SLR lenses on a rangefinder, I was talking about the new PEN and GF1, they are small, innovative and very cool.

Canon introduced the G11 for improved low light quality, the g10 will out resolve it in bright light at ISO 80 for sure. The Nikon answer to a pro point and shoot, the P6000 has been discontinued.

Posted 3 years ago #
heartyfisher

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All that shouting !! LOL!

Posted 3 years ago #
Robb Mann

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Nikon wisely discontinued the P6000 because it was a sad example of a "pro" P&S when compared to the LX-3 and the G10. Simply put, Nikon brought a knife to a gun fight.

The D300 was so good that it took Canon two years to respond to it. No one in the industry has yet responded to the D3/D700 -- no one has chips that produce such clean images and capture so much shadow detail (apart from MF/LF).

Canon has finally caught up to the D300 with the 7D. Good for them. Perhaps next year we'll get a true upgrade to the D300, but they didn't need one this year.

The Cameras Nikon came out with in 2007 were so ahead of their time that two years later, we're only just seeing them matched. Consider yourself lucky if you bought a Nikon in the past two years - your reward is you get to skip this upgrade cycle. Invest in glass, it'll outlive any body anyway.

If you want to jump ship - go for it. Without competition the industry would stagnate, and SOMEONE has to buy Canon and Sony. It sure won't be me.

Posted 3 years ago #
mgblack74

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15 years ago a digital camera like the D90 would have been pro. Heck, other than FPS, it has better low light ability that the D2Xs and that was and is still considered a pro camera. At 12 mp. Just goes to show you how spoiled we are with technology and camera technology that the D90 is "boring". The D90's sensor is twice as big as your Canon G10's 14 mp sensor. Bigger pixels will always be better. But seriously, I'm getting tired of the "Nikon sucks because...." mentality. Sell your Nikon stuff and buy Sony. It's no skin off anyone's back if you do. These forums will be a quieter place. While Nikon has record losses, they also had record camera sales. The losses stem from their Stepper technology and currency exchange rates, not from camera sales. What prevents you from taking a great image now vs when 12 mp was "it" 2 years ago? In camera IS is handy yes, but you don't always get the image you're after due to sensor shift. You may frame your image perfectly through the view finder, but when you press the shutter the sensor is moving and the final image may be shifted up, down, left or right. With in lens VR, what you see is what you get. But seeing as how you are interested in the a850 with 97% viewfinder coverage, this may not be a concern to you, which leads me to question the type of photography you do that you "need" 24 mp and are ready to divorce Nikon for not making one for $2000.00 Buy Mazda if you can't afford a BMW, but don't complain about the price of a BMW.

Posted 3 years ago #
snaketail

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Yell all you want - I doubt Nikon will hear you. I think someone in Japan has a plan for the company that we are not privy to. Maybe someting great on the horizon...maybe not.

I've been complaining for some time that Nikon is behind the times and losing ground. If I didn't have such an investment in Nikon glass I'd switch.

But this isn't the forum to get Nikon's attention.

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ted2001

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No I wouldn't necessarily want FX and 24MP. In many situations the 10-24 DX is a better solution than the 14-24 FX - it's smaller, lighter, takes filters (for me a very big deal - especially polarizers) and is almost as wide. I also have not seen an FX zoom that would function as well for me as my 16-85 VR. It's small, good focal length range, very sharp and takes the same 67mm filters as the 70-300 VR.

Further, I tend to crop my pictures in the viewfinder (perhaps from years of shooting slides) and find 12MP file sizes already too large to share as it is. When displayed on large screens the images are dazzling. If you cannot create images beyond a yawn, perhaps you should look into another field. A D40 in the right hands is capable of remarkable images.

I would prefer a D300s to a D700. I want 100% viewfinder accuracy and would like to meter AIS lenses (not available features on D90) and available on the D300s. I also prefer the 1.5x factor when shooting macro.

Posted 3 years ago #
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Hi dellaaa

Don't slam the door when you leave, I hope that Sony will allow to finally take great pictures. It is so frustrating to use poorly designed camera gear. Every time I use my D300 I can't help but thinking how poorly the focusing system is working and why I can't buy something better and 12MP just can barely enlarge to a 3 foot poster, just kidding

Yes maybe right today the D300s is not the best value in the APS-C area, maybe 14 - 18 MP would make it the best again. Yes it would be great to have a 24MP D700X option, but for some the current 12MP might be better.

Pete

Posted 3 years ago #
monty11

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I also hate my Nikon ... I left it in the woods for a whole day and it didn't take even one decent picture ... now go figure :S

Posted 3 years ago #
dellaaa

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You guys are missing the point. I took great pictures with my Coolpix 8400 and now with my Canon G10, that's not the point. A camera isn't only a utilitarian tool, its a cool piece of machinery, the great ones are almost alive (SP, F2, F100) and unfortunately save for the F3x Nikon has given up on making that kind of thing.

If you slavish pine on every morsel of Nikon news minutia and then blindly praise every mediocre piece of equipment they produce, you will be doomed to using D90s. I would rather not. Granted it takes good pictures, my Coolpix 8400 did, that again isn't the point.

Given your argument, 12M pixels is all anyone needs, lets just scrap the R&D department and continue to make D90s until the end of time, I mean, it is all anyone needs, isn't it?

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Moving from 12-18 mp only gets you around 20% boost in resolution... I suppose that's helpful, but I wouldn't pay more for it unless you could guaranty I'd get the same low light performance. Otherwise its a downgrade for me.

I'm also confused as to why you don't think Nikon will be releasing a D700x. They dropped the D3x on us last December, I'd say the 700x is right on schedule.

I'll grant that nikon's P&S lineup is crap but you've already got the best P&S on the market (G11 is a downgrade in my opinion). I've shot with a G10... I love it. As for sony... I'll defer to Tom Hogan on that one: http://www.bythom.com/sonyenvy.htm

And BTW - Don't ever pull that caps lock crap in here again. This isn't DP Review... we like our civility around here.

Posted 3 years ago #
NikoDoby

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Hi dellaaa welcome to the forum (I think). NICE FIRST POST :^)

Let me get this straight, you own a canon G10 and a Coolpix 8400? So you praise your Coolpix but you trash the D3X and Nikon's other DSLR's because of image quality and features?! WOW :^)

I vote that you get the very first NikonRumors Forum WTF award of the year.

But seriously thanks for waking the forum up, :^)

Posted 3 years ago #
Connor Broaddus

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You tell him Willis!

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HUeMAN

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Dellaaa, what type of photography do you do? How would more than... say 12ish megapixels help you? I upgraded to the D300s from a 6.1 megapixel D70 and I could make awesome 11x14 to 16x20 prints with it. I shot a tassel of low light indoor pictures with the D300s a couple days ago at 6400 ISO with only a slight grain - NO noise that I can find. Personally, I would rather have an outstanding 12 megapixel image that I could make posters from (if that's what I wanted to print) than a 24 megapixel image that wasn't of equal quality. Besides, 24 megapixels is only an upgrade of 25% resolution from 12. It is my feeling that Nikon is leading the way in quality while not caving in to the cries for more pixels. Of course, more pixels will come as the sensors/cameras are capable of delivering superb quality. Heck, I want to see what happens when we get to 200 or so megapixels but I currently don't see that I'll have an actual 'need' for it. Ok, I'm finished rambling.

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kellenfreeman

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I don't understand all the D90 hate...

I'm a student that cannot afford a D300 (or the new one) or anything above that. I especially can't afford the lenses for the full frame sensors either. The D90 fits a gap between the cameras that are out of my price range and the cameras that are seriously lacking in features (like the D40).

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ted2001

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As a very happy D90 owner (I wouldn't carry a D3 if you gave it to me) I think it's just compensation for other shortcomings. MP envy kinda thing...

Posted 3 years ago #
QuadraPixel

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Nope, nuh-uh. Not disappointed one bit. I sell all these brands and would (and do)shoot Nikon any day. Go away CAPSLOCK man.

Posted 3 years ago #
NikoDoby

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ted2001, whoever is giving you the D3 you don't want please send them to me. I'll be happy to take it.

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ted2001

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but I would leave it on a tripod at home. Probably with the 200/4 micro, that might be almost handy!

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bmxdad

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dellaaa You really should try to CAPSLOCK on DpReview they just love it over there, actually just copy your first post and post in one of the Nikon forums any of them would do just fine, have fun over there

pete

Posted 3 years ago #
sep1766

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I'm really fed up with Nikon and I'm gona go out and get D3X tomorrow, can you loan me 8 grands dellaaa ?

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ted2001

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Why ask for a loan? I'd ask for a gift first, avoids all that messy paying back stuff.

Posted 3 years ago #
dellaaa

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I can see that I am wasting my time with this crowd. I was hoping for intelligent conversation, but I guess this isn't the time or the place.

The majority of the posts were comments about the CAPS LOCK (EXCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSS ME). Such a sensitive group.

You know, I thought it over. 12M pixels is way too many, the APS format is way to big, image stabilization in body is probably the most ridiculous idea yet and yes $8,0000 plus tax is a fair price for a camera body.

Be content in you meritocracy brethren, resistance us futile.

Live long and prosper.

Posted 3 years ago #