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Nikon D4/D800 issues

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  1. msmoto

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    I agree about the costs of swabs and think this is a very significant production issue for NIKON. Most likely, or so I like to believe, is that it results from the new production facilities they were forced to construct after the Tsunami in Japan and floods in Thailand. However, I do hope it is corrected as the production is continued. Maybe this is one of the problems which has slowed down the supply line, getting the oiling process perfected. My D4 is one from early production, no doubt this is the oil problem. And it has only about 5548 clicks...the one above, so it is pretty new.

    Over all the performance of the camera is so phenomenal, I can forgive them as long as it does not get worse. I was at a venue last week where I first shot with an "F" body, Ektachrome, 300mm f/4.5 Nikkor in the 1960's, and the difference and ease of obtaining photos today is such a wonderful gift. And only about 50 years later....

    Hope your "oil" clears up or gets cleaned off gently.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  2. orangebox

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    thanks i hope so, if i have to do another clean after this time i will have a chat with NPS see what they suggest, its just an annoyance luckily i check my gear before going on a shoot and shoot tethered mostly so if they pop up i can spot any issues, however this could cause other people who shoot prof issues esp if there in the middle of say a wedding and unable to see any issues with pictures on the lcd.

    As you say im sure nikon will get it sorted, new plant new production facilities always bound to have "teething issues", like you mine is early prod model so they may have all ready made changes,certainly fewer people seem to be mentioning the issue.

    That D4 is an amazing camera i have been lucky enough to get one on loan, id love one one but the budget doesn't allow right now, and it would be a luxury rather than a necessity.

    As for advancements your right its a huge leap in last 15 years especially, i remember getting my first digital camera took floppy disks that could only hold 10 images lol how times have moved on.

    keep telling myself im going to get another F body and shoot some B+W film, i just love how it looks. i love digital but that feeling and texture with b+w film you cant get on digital, in my opinion at least anyways.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  3. Eric

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    I have a D4 with a spot (after 3 weeks) and I previously did continuous battle with my D3S. I finally discovered that I needed to gently vacuum out my camera using a small tube attached to a vacuum hose and then clean the sensor in the bathroom. Cleaning in any room with a carpeted floor created a problem, (too much dust in the air). My spots looked very similar to yours, but I am convinced that some (most?) were dust. I have become very picky about changing lenses.

    Has anyone tried the Arctic Butterfly as an alternative to swabs? It seems expensive, but then so are swabs. Of course it probably wouldn't work on oil spots.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  4. msmoto

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    I am very finicky about changing lenses, doing it inside the car, as best I can keeping the open body facing down. I have used the "clean air" from cans to blow gently into the body and this took care of dust, but the oil spots have not changed since new. It really is not a problem which is growing worse, at least I think this is the case, so I am going to wait awhile to perform any action like cleaning the sensor.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  5. Eric

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    @msmoto - I often store my camera without a lens on it. When I put on a lens I connect the body cap and the rear lens cap together to keep out dust. I also try to change out of the wind, body down and leave everything capped until the last possible minute.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  6. msmoto

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    Storm Hunter said:
    Hello guys,

    I've owned a D7000 for almost two years. It has the oil spot problem discussed on several forums. Now I'd like to switch to D800 but I'm quite disappointed reading that's a common issue of this wonderful camera as well.

    I wonder if it's a "serial number specific" problem (e.g. mostly tend to occur to the early versions only, or also may occur to the ones with higher serial number)?
    Is it true that the splashing of oil would leave off after a couple month of use?

    Thanks for your answer,
    Zoltan
    Hungary

    Posted 10 months ago #
  7. orangebox

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    i think its just the first production batch, i bought a D7000 a year after it came out as a second body and never had the oil issue which was a common issue with them at first release, as said before i think its just tweaking the production line to optimal during first production batches so first camera out are maybe a little over oiled.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  8. rplst8

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    I'm reading that according to Ming Thein, there is an official fix for the D800/800E focusing issue! Yay.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  9. orangebox

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    rplst8 said:
    I'm reading that according to Ming Thein, there is an official fix for the D800/800E focusing issue! Yay.

    and what is it??

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  10. rplst8

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    orangebox said:
    and what is it??

    Some combination of calibration and possibly updated firmware. We're not allowed to post links so i didn't bother linking to Ming's blog.

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  11. Eric

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    The blog seemed to imply that the info came from NPS and that the camera would need to be sent in.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  12. orangebox

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    i think im going to throw a wide angle on mine and test the focus, seems fine with my longer lenses have not encountered any issues to date but think i will check mine to be sure.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  13. OnTheRopes

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    Can anyone tell me which is the correct type of swab (if any) for the d800?

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  14. orangebox

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    yeah i use Photographic Solutions Sensor Swabs Pro - Type 3 Eclipse, as these are for FX format sensors, the good thing is you can either buy them dry and then buy the liquid or you can buy them per-pregnated with cleaning liquid, i prefer the later so i can throw them in the bag although i do have the liquid + dry swabs.

    one thing i will say is avoid cheap ones are there more trouble than their worth.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  15. OnTheRopes

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    Cheers Orangebox I shall order as you suggest. I have a few persistent spots I cannot seem to get rid of and having read Thom Hogans Blog on the subject I am more willing to give it a go.

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  16. orangebox

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    no problem, i will say this it takes a bit of practice to do it cleanly without streaks but its not hard to do. just make sure you sweep across the sensor in one movement without stopping otherwise you end up with a "mark" where you stopped.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  17. Rx4Photo

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    I've cleaned the sensor on my D7000 a couple of times in the past 1.5 years with the Eclipse solution and swabs. It's not as difficult as many people think. It's definately something that conjurs up a bit of anxiety in some since you are touching the "heart" of your camera but once you muster up the confidence to do it, it's quick and easy. Like orangebox said sweep across in one motion - not lightly either - apply a little pressure to the point where that plastic stick bends a little. I think that sensor is tougher than we've come bo believe.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  18. rplst8

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    orangebox said:
    i think im going to throw a wide angle on mine and test the focus, seems fine with my longer lenses have not encountered any issues to date but think i will check mine to be sure.

    For what its worth I was able to reproduce the problem with a 50mm f/1.8.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  19. Marklf

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    Just compared my first D800 with a second that came 2 months later and the first one is quite blurred in comparison and shows colour difraction on edges. Just sending it back. I checked for backfocusing and that was not the issue. i'd upgraded both firmware updates.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  20. mark_wilkins

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    rplst8 said:
    For what its worth I was able to reproduce the problem with a 50mm f/1.8.

    I just did a bunch of testing with mine using a 17-35/2.8 at 35, focus distance about 2.5 meters, and the left hand focus point yielded distinctly blurrier results. However, I was a little suspicious about this, because the blurring appeared to be primarily horizontal, which would be either symptomatic of camera movement (unlikely given that I was using flash at 1/250) or astigmatism, which is a lens characteristic.

    Repeated the test with a 35mm f/2 prime and all the images were sharp, with the left focus point being sharpest by just a hair.

    I have definitely seen test images from others that show serious problems with their left focus point that are way beyond anything I saw, so I believe it's a real issue for some cameras. However, I also suspect that people who test and return six or seven cameras probably should do their best to make sure they're not seeing aberrations originating from their lenses.

    Pro zooms have gotten good enough these days that people assume that they perform as well as primes, and in many circumstances the differences may not be important, but if any camera's going to show up the difference, it's the D800.

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  21. rplst8

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    mark_wilkins said:
    I just did a bunch of testing with mine using a 17-35/2.8 at 35, focus distance about 2.5 meters, and the left hand focus point yielded distinctly blurrier results. However, I was a little suspicious about this, because the blurring appeared to be primarily horizontal, which would be either symptomatic of camera movement (unlikely given that I was using flash at 1/250) or astigmatism, which is a lens characteristic.

    Repeated the test with a 35mm f/2 prime and all the images were sharp, with the left focus point being sharpest by just a hair.

    I have definitely seen test images from others that show serious problems with their left focus point that are way beyond anything I saw, so I believe it's a real issue for some cameras. However, I also suspect that people who test and return six or seven cameras probably should do their best to make sure they're not seeing aberrations originating from their lenses.

    Pro zooms have gotten good enough these days that people assume that they perform as well as primes, and in many circumstances the differences may not be important, but if any camera's going to show up the difference, it's the D800.

    This may be the case (many poorly done tests) but in my case, I tested on a tripod, mirror up, with a 20mm f/2.8 a 50mm f/1.8 and a Tokina 28-70mm f/2.8 at 35mm. With indoor lighting and an EV of about 4 or 5, I was able to achieve razor sharp results with the center and right sensors with all three lenses using NO AF fine tune. The exposure settings for the 50mm hovered around 1/60 f/1.8 ISO 400.

    The left was only sharp 1 out of 10 tries. I can't really explain the 1 sharp example from the left sensor, but each time I tested I racked focus to infinity so my guess is it just got lucky. That said, even when the left AF sensor was sharp, it was only "acceptably" sharp. It still did not compare to the center and right sensors by a long shot. Additionally, when focused with the center sensor, or LV, that same area on the left of the frame was rock solid sharp. I find it difficult to believe that in all of my trying I could achieve pin sharp results using center, right, and LV but nearly never with the left.

    I also did some tests with flash using an ISO of 100 and shutter of 1/250 (aperture f/1.8) putting the ambient light 4-5 stops below proper exposure (to reduce the affect of camera shake, if any). My results were the same. The left AF sensor never produced sharp results.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  22. rplst8

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    Another anecdote with my D800... I can walk out my back door in very bright sunlight and with the 50mm set at f/1.8 focus on trees ~200 ft away using the left AF sensor. Never have I gotten a sharp picture. So I think it's independent of distance and lighting levels. In this case we are talking about using ISO 50 or 100 and a shutter of 1/2000 or higher, even hand held camera shake should not be an issue.

    Again using center sensor, images are pin sharp all around.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  23. mark_wilkins

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    Like I say, I've certainly seen test images from people who are having significant, repeatable problems. I'm just making the point that it's important to try a prime lens (ideally, or at least different lenses) in the appropriate focal length range before blaming the camera.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  24. hbdesert

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    I stopped by El Segundo this morning to see about having my D800e looked at for the left focus issue. They said they were not aware of any new firmware or hardware fixes to address the issue. The only firmware fixes that they noted are those that are already posted.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  25. Pierre

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    I tested my D800 and found that the left point back-focus about 1 inch over a 5 feet distance at f/2.8 on my Nikkor 24-70 F2.8. In my test, the focus point felt at the near edge of the sharp DOF (which was about 2 inch deep) leaving the image slightly blurred. On thinner DOF, the image would be completely out of focus.

    I emailed to the shop I purchased it, will see what they say.

    Posted 10 months ago #

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