Maybe... Hope they will anounce something at the "Photo Fest Ireland 2012" :-)
.... but probably not.. :-(
Will be there anyway, cause its in the middle of a short holiday... :-)
Hint at the "3 remaining" bodies to be upgraded this year?
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@TaoTeJared
Do you have the specs on the D400? Do you think it should be announced in a week or two? It would appear, if the process is to occur at a time to get the camera in the hands of those who will be showcasing them, the pros, then delivery should be in late May or early June. So, the announcement should be any day....
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I haven't seen a thing. My usual places (lurking on some's flickr and blogs who have had pre releases before) haven't had anything at all and they seem to be complaining like us.
Between now and July there are a handful of trade shows (quite a bit actually) that everyone is releasing stuff at. End of April is the Korea Photo show which is one of the larger ones.
The key date this year is July 27th - Opening ceremonies for the Olympics in London.
Nikon has released bodies in Aug and Sept on Olympic cycles with using that venue as the "Images taken by the Dxxx" but that was usually the D80/90/7000. We are now almost a full year overdue for the D400 and that would be right on cycle for a D7100. It could be perceivable they may release both at the same time. If that was the case, I don't see both having the same sensor as if they are, the D7100 would cut way too much into the sales of the D400. Nikon is a company 1st, they have always released products far enough apart so they won't cut into it's own sales.
It could be that Nikon will make a move that either the D7100 or D400 may be more cine centered to capture that market. i.e. D4/D800 for stills, DXX for video at same time.
Who knows - I just want them to hurry up so I can see what I have to deal with this next 12 months. Low light camera system needed (usable quality & 2500) and possibly a new computer to go with it.
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With the D3200 coming out at 24MP, is there really a need for four separate DX bodylines? We can break it down three different ways , but why have any more than three: entry level, prosumer, pro? If the entry level camera was still bouncing around with single digit MP, ISO 400, etc. I could see the call for four DX bodylines, or even five, but where the D3200 is even going to have wi-fi add-on capability, is there going to be enough to truly differentiate four lines?
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I was hoping the d400 was going to be the *REAL* d700/fx replacement, but it looks like that is not going to be the case. Any rumors around the d700 successor? (its not the d800).
Thanks!
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shawnino said:
With the D3200 coming out at 24MP, is there really a need for four separate DX bodylines? We can break it down three different ways , but why have any more than three: entry level, prosumer, pro? If the entry level camera was still bouncing around with single digit MP, ISO 400, etc. I could see the call for four DX bodylines, or even five, but where the D3200 is even going to have wi-fi add-on capability, is there going to be enough to truly differentiate four lines?+1
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There is a good argument I believe that companies could drop one of the 4 DX lineups, but that is at the bottom end (i.e. D32oo) as the J1/V1-m4/3rds are in that same price range and it is over-saturated in options. With the D3200 leaks, we can see that will not happen.
The real D700 replacement - HA! What the D800 isn't good enough? (Although I secretly would like to see a D400 FX) Nikon's production has not kept up with demand on the last FX cameras - if they added one more, at this point you may get it in had next year. Nikon isn't that dumb. They have stood up new DX plants not FX.
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TaoTeJared said:
There is a good argument I believe that companies could drop one of the 4 DX lineups, but that is at the bottom end (i.e. D32oo) as the J1/V1-m4/3rds are in that same price range and it is over-saturated in options. With the D3200 leaks, we can see that will not happen.Fair enough in what is getting labeled as "D3200", but could this just be a question of how things are named? I guess my point is that four lines could morph into only three, and the numbers attached to each wouldn't have much meaning to ancestry. Strict speculation, but, as example, the 3200 comes in as the entry level, 400 comes in at the pro level, and either the 5x00-series or the 7x00 series nominally bites the dust. Or the 400 never comes and the next iteration of 7x00 becomes the pro body.
I've never really understood why there is both a 3-series and a 5-series body anyway. What the difference in street price for those bodies? $200?
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@shawnino
You say "never really understood" and this says it all about retail sales. While we, the end users, most of the folks on the NRF are in the "pro" knowledge and ability class, seem baffled by the way NIKON and others market cameras, it is in a way like cars. There is no reason to have as many cars as one manufacturer may offer. In fact GM found the true as the industry collapsed, dropping Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Saturn, Chrysler dropped DeSoto, Plymouth, etc. There is quite possibly a minimal cost to NIKON to offer very similar products, the difference being possibly the frame and a few components, and this allows folks a choice. Plus, having a wide selection across a broad price range is also a marketing technique which covers all the bases.
Does it make sense for photographers.... well, not for me. But in the board room, the bean counters are no doubt very impressed with their wise decisions regarding the marketing of the products.
What we end up with is a wide range of cameras, of which the lowest price one will produce photos of almost indistinguishable quality from the highest priced one in maybe 75% of the shooting situations. it is the 25% for which we pay the extra money.
Now, if NIKON's rep follows this thread.....WHERE IS THE D400?
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msmoto said:
What we end up with is a wide range of cameras, of which the lowest price one will produce photos of almost indistinguishable quality from the highest priced one in maybe 75% of the shooting situations. it is the 25% for which we pay the extra money.Now, if NIKON's rep follows this thread.....WHERE IS THE D400?
Now where is the "like" button when you really need one?
Mrs M., I agree a million percent with what you wrote.
That last 25% is the trick - and how much more than 25% of case the manufacturers can squeeze out of us for it.
As you say: WHERE IS THE D400?
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Image quality is just about blah in my mind and over focused on- and I think it is in everyone's mind if you read between the lines especially below FX bodies. It will always be better in each new generation - Nikon has always shown that. What makes the difference between these bodies is all in the use. Better metering, AF, usable High ISO (Dynamic range, AF performance, Metering, color depth), build of body, custom functions, speed, handling, flash control, and the list goes on.
In the spring especially I bounce between my D300 and a D50-IR converted. D50 is showing it's age, but with 3 AF points, metering is not as good, I need that 2nd dial for manual control, MF is given with IR and it stinks with that small viewfinder. Playing with a D3200, it is not much different - better, but really not much. When you are use to 51-pt AF, the pro level metering, pro level dials and how much faster you can move through your shooting day, that makes a big difference.
The low consumer bodies are marketed towards non-photography obsessed people and focus on the camera doing all the work - and they do it well. As long as the stigma is that one needs a DSLR for good photos, they will continue to sell various bodies at every price point.
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TaoTeJared said:
The real D700 replacement - HA! What the D800 isn't good enough?.No it isn't. IMO, The d800 is not a suitable replacement for the d700. The d700 was the best affordable overall camera available, with a excellent mix between speed and iso performance. A four year old d700 can do double the fps of a brand new d800 for $1k less! The d700 has tremendous utility for a wide range of shooters, while the d800 is specialized towards landscape and studio work. As far as I am concerned d700/800 are apples and oranges. Even though I'm kicking myself for selling my d700, I can limp by with older bodies for another year till the real d700+ drops. Somebody in the know should throw us a bone...I know the roadmaps are out there....give us a taste!
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btdown said:
No it isn't. IMO, The d800 is not a suitable replacement for the d700. The d700 was the best affordable overall camera available, with a excellent mix between speed and iso performance. A four year old d700 can do double the fps of a brand new d800 for $1k less! The d700 has tremendous utility for a wide range of shooters, while the d800 is specialized towards landscape and studio work. As far as I am concerned d700/800 are apples and oranges. Even though I'm kicking myself for selling my d700, I can limp by with older bodies for another year till the real d700+ drops. Somebody in the know should throw us a bone...I know the roadmaps are out there....give us a taste!I don't see your point. You sold your D700 in hopes the D800 would be what you wanted without knowing what it would have. It wasn't focused in the way you wanted it with lower FPS and now you are upset that you have no D700. The D4 and D800 make sense to me. They made two pro bodies that cover all types of shooting. A fast, less MP D4 and a slower shooting, high MP D800. I don't think Nikon will make a D700x or other replacement of any sort. There will be a DX D400 that fills in between the D7000 and D800...so I wouldn't hold your breath.
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tcole1983 said:
I don't see your point. You sold your D700 in hopes the D800 would be what you wanted without knowing what it would have. It wasn't focused in the way you wanted it with lower FPS and now you are upset that you have no D700. The D4 and D800 make sense to me. They made two pro bodies that cover all types of shooting. A fast, less MP D4 and a slower shooting, high MP D800. I don't think Nikon will make a D700x or other replacement of any sort. There will be a DX D400 that fills in between the D7000 and D800...so I wouldn't hold your breath.Agree - The D700 cut the D3 sales badly and when the D3s came out, many didn't see the point in upgrading. Nikon has a responsibility to create a sustainable business model, if they continued that trend they would be just shooting their own foot off.
The replacement D800 may have not fit your needs, but it fit many, many others. Very few people need the FPS and those that do have the D4.
Nikon has never published "Road Maps".
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msmoto said:
@shawninoYou say "never really understood" and this says it all about retail sales. While we, the end users, most of the folks on the NRF are in the "pro" knowledge and ability class, seem baffled by the way NIKON and others market cameras, it is in a way like cars. There is no reason to have as many cars as one manufacturer may offer. In fact GM found the true as the industry collapsed, dropping Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Saturn, Chrysler dropped DeSoto, Plymouth, etc. There is quite possibly a minimal cost to NIKON to offer very similar products, the difference being possibly the frame and a few components, and this allows folks a choice. Plus, having a wide selection across a broad price range is also a marketing technique which covers all the bases.
Does it make sense for photographers.... well, not for me. But in the board room, the bean counters are no doubt very impressed with their wise decisions regarding the marketing of the products.
What we end up with is a wide range of cameras, of which the lowest price one will produce photos of almost indistinguishable quality from the highest priced one in maybe 75% of the shooting situations. it is the 25% for which we pay the extra money.
Now, if NIKON's rep follows this thread.....WHERE IS THE D400?
Well stated msmoto. Most of us here are looking for something special and/or exceptional. But that is not the reality of mass merchandising nor does it pay the corporate bill nor feed the corporate bottom line. To support the exceptional and all the required R&D there must be a product line that reaches far beyone those seeking only the exceptional. Hence a broad spectrum of products.
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I agree at first it seems silly to have 4 DX bodies, but think about it, the vast majority of the market is at the midpoint. I don't want a cheap low end model, and I think most of the features of the top end model are useless or not worth the money. While you need to have new budget models to get new photographers into the hobby and professional bodies for people who shoot for a living or are independently wealthy (think the "Apple tax") the vast amount of sales and interest occurs between these two extremes. Having 4 bodies gives me a "choice" of two models in the middle, instead of just being stuck with a "take it or leave it this is IT" lineup of one "prosumer" model. For example, I am debating whether to buy a D3200 or wait for the new D5200.
Now if I wanted to move up to the D7000 I would get more focus points (although it is rumored the 5200 will also have 39), weather sealing (only useful if you will actually use it in the rain), 6fps vs 4fps (both are fast, and D5200 will likely have at least 5), and one extra shutter speed of 1/8000 (I can't recall ever using 1/4000), but all this comes at a cost of 40% more weight, larger size, and 40% higher cost--no thank you. For the vast majority of photographers, no way is this camera worth the extra weight, size, and money--money much better spent on upgrading to a new camera *sooner* rather than later or spent on lenses.
But if you read sites such as this one, all you see is people drooling over some new FX model (I couldn't care less about FX) or some new high end camera. Just remember this is not the majority of the business, just the most vocal on rumors sites because these fans want the latest and greatest. I personally don't think a new camera will make me take much better pictures, but I would like to have on camera HDR and more focal points to get autofocus faster.
Posted 10 months ago # -
I wish they would release at least one big chassis (D300S) DX model. Anything else apart from the chassis size is irrelevant for me, as I believe the new thing will be better than the previous ones in most respects that count. I would be happy with 16mp and D7000 image quality though.
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We've had D4 and D800 which is at the pro end of the scale and we've had updates to entry level cameras, now we are waiting for the mid range where many people are at the moment. The last midrange is the D7000 but those who are prosumers and hobbyists and those looking to upgrade their entry level cameras are waiting for the new midrange cameras which is affordable with latest technology, I suppose Canon are in the same boat waiting to upgrade their 7D...we are waiting for the D400 or D600 to be announced...
Posted 10 months ago # -
Lets just get the D800 out to every one first!
Posted 10 months ago # -
One thought I have is if it makes sense for Nikon to release the D400, D600 and the D7X00.
If the D600 rumors is true in regards to it beeing a entry level FX with a 1500$ pricetag and they release a D400 I can see the D7k line getting the axe, or the line stays but its basically a slightly buffed version of the D5k line.
Would make sense to me if Nikon would want to push the D7k type customers towards the D600.
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