So a 24 megapixel DX sensor at the bottom of the Nikon line up? Wow! What does that portend for the D5200 and D7200 and D400? Also, if you scale-up a DX 24 megapixel sensor to FX size what do you get, about 50 megapixels? How can this be? What kind of a world are we entering?
D3200 Discussion Thread
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I won't need a D3200. I could make do with a D7000 and that would be that.
So release the 24mp behemoths and I can get a D7000 for cheap.
Sweet!
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Bodes well for the D400... (or whatever it will be called).
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Look at the last consumer series D3100 (14mp), D5100 (16mp) and D7000 (16mp). Note the bodies above the D3100 had a higher megapixel sensor (and a better sensor). One could expect a similar patter of higher megapixel sensors for the new D5200 and D7200. But I have never heard of any DX sensor higher than 24 megapixels. Has anyone? Perhaps there is something new out there, a 30mp or 32mp DX sensor? Would Nikon market three bodies (and a D400) all with the same megapixel sensor? Seems unlikely. As for the D400 it must have at least a 24 megapixel sensor or I am starting to think it well may go FX and use the old D3s sensor if Nikon can do that at the price point of a D400.
Notice something else about the new D3200 sensor. The native ISO range runs up to 6400 ISO while the D3100 sensor's native ISO range ran up to 3200 ISO, a one stop expansion. Are we seeing the low light technology in the D800 sensor migrating down the line?
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If they are going to release a D400 or D7100, they better do it before a D800 becomes available to me!
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I absolutely hate the pixel wars and don't see any gain over 16 Mp. I actually thought the camera producers had realized that ( Many new FF's like D4 & 1Dx stopping at 16-18 Mp , 5DM3 staying at 21 Mp). Hope the D3200 does not come out with 24Mp but if it does , I'll just hope the pixel squeezing is limited to the beginner/entry level .
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Paperman said:
I absolutely hate the pixel wars and don't see any gain over 16 Mp. I actually thought the camera producers had realized that ( Many new FF's like D4 & 1Dx stopping at 16-18 Mp , 5DM3 staying at 21 Mp). Hope the D3200 does not come out with 24Mp but if it does , I'll just hope the pixel squeezing is limited to the beginner/entry level .They do realize that. However they also know gullible customers are still swayed by megapixels...
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kyoshinikon said:
They do realize that. However they also know gullible customers are still swayed by megapixels...Yeah, that seems to be the only number many people see. I work with kids and I've seen then talking about how their great photos (posted to facebook, of course) were taken with a camera that has thiiiiiiis many megapixels and other people deciding they need a new camera with more megapixels or other superficial wotsits. Shoot, one of my kids even has the red D3100... Any mention of dynamic range or ISO sensitivity or even focal lengths and apertures? Nope. Not at all. Not everyone buying cameras is snooping about on message boards comparing MTF curves after all. :P
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They will surely have to respond with a 5200 and 7100, not for any other reason than marketing.
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How long before the just released flagship D4 is the lowest resolution camera in Nikon's lineup.
Sheesh.
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You do have to wonder what Nikon is doing. Maybe they want to slap high res sensors into the D3200, D5200 as they are generally purchased by people who only look at MP counts? Nikon keep the low light sensors in the D7200 or D400, which are targeted at people who are less swayed by MP count alone.
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Dangit! I just bought the D5100 a couple weeks ago. I hope that the D3200 isn't better than my brand new D5100! Nikon usually gives their bodies about 1.5-2 years on the market, it would be early for a D5200, I was expecting that next year. However, we are about due for the D3200.
I too don't want any *more* pixels, I want *better* pixels. That's why I got the Nikon D5100 instead of the Canon T3i. While fewer pixels, I thought the Nikon sensor was better.
Is the reasoning behind the rumors of a 24 Mpix sensor because that is another of Sony's sensors? Isn't the current D5100/D7000 16Mpix sensor a Sony chip?
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Don't worry about your camera being out of date, it doesn't make it any less useful.
Nikon uses Sony made sensors in all of their currently available DSLR bodies, so it only makes sense that they would continue to use existing Sony crop sensors (16MP and 24MP).
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Willis said:
How long before the just released flagship D4 is the lowest resolution camera in Nikon's lineup.Sheesh.
Sure it would be what? 7 megapixels? But I would certainly not mind having a DX camera get a slice of the D4's sensor. Extremely powerful low light performance in an unassuming package? Yes please!
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Thanks PB PM, I know it won't make my D5100 any less useful, but if the D3100 actually ended up being better, it would be a little painful to be outdone by the lower model just a few weeks after buying the middle model. Sigh.
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Little surprised by disbelief at 24MP in DX. If you take the 2.7x crop Nikon mirorless (14.2MP) and make it a 1.5x crop size, don't you end up in that ballpark?
I suspect same sensor technology as those models for entry level DSLRs, whether they source from Sony or someone else.
I like medium format so happy to see a practical sensor with that high pixel count. Which lenses keep up?
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Paperman said:
I absolutely hate the pixel wars and don't see any gain over 16 Mp. I actually thought the camera producers had realized that ( Many new FF's like D4 & 1Dx stopping at 16-18 Mp , 5DM3 staying at 21 Mp). Hope the D3200 does not come out with 24Mp but if it does , I'll just hope the pixel squeezing is limited to the beginner/entry level .I agree- I'd rather have a 16 mp camera with excellent high ISO performance and dynamic range than 24 mp with only so-so performance.
spraynpray said:
That sounds like a plan!For once I probably won't be annoyed with thinking about a previous generation camera.
I hope. :D
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All of this talk about MP in entry level sensors is rubbish. 11 AF points, 4fps, high iso of 6400 bla bla. Where's the F-n D400! I'm getting tired of waiting.
Wifi is the real interesting thing. Probably be buggy but that could be really interesting to see what they do with it.
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I wrote tons and tons in forums about the 24Mp Sony and how the diffraction started at f5.9 and how useless all the pixels were beyond that.
Now I'll have to that once for the D3200 - if it comes out with the 24 Mp sensor .
And I don't, I don't, I don't want to see 24 Mp in the D400 ! ! ! Let's pray Nikon is just doing this to attract the beginners who think all you need to take good photographs is pixels.
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I am going to make a suggestion which "swims against the current." Perhaps the D800 is not out of line in pixel count. It seemed to be when first introduced. We were used to 12, 14, 16 mp sensors. We were getting used to and expecting 24 mp. 36 mp seemed "off the chart" and "out of line" with the slope of increased pixel count up the Nikon Line. But, just maybe, we had the wrong paradigm. Maybe there will be a new slope based upon new technology. 24 mp sloping on up not to 36 mp but rather on up to a 50 mp replacement for the D3x. Scale up a 24 mp DX sensor to FX size and what do you have? About 50 mp. Now is all this increased mp "foolishness" done at the sacrifice of high ISO IQ? It seems the answer is no. Look at the stats for the D3200. The top native ISO has gone from 3200 to 6400. That suggests new technology at work. Consider the DXoMark test results of the D800 at high ISO. Surprisingly good, not the IQ loss people had predicted for so many mega pixels at work. So I say we are entering a new world or new generation of sensors. 24 mp will be the floor. We will see a low 30mp sensor in the D7000 replacement and in the D400 if it doesn't go FX. We will see a 50 mp sensor in a D4x and yes the D4 will be the lowest mp sensor in the entire Nikon line up. But it will be the fastest fps. I could be wrong. Nikon could use the same 24 mp DX sensor in the D3200, the D5100, the D7200 and the D400. Nikon could distinguish those bodies by features rather than by sensor. But how likely is that? I think the D3200 will be the start of a whole new paradigm in sensors. Foolishness? Maybe. But a new paradigm nevertheless.
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PB PM said:
Which Nikon mirrorless camera uses 14.2MP? The V1 and J1 both use 10MP sensors.My bad. I got that # off an apparently inaccurate web site...
But my point is still the same. From hopefully more accurate site, if you compare size of sensor in mm between V1 and Dx, the chip area is about 3.2x larger, which means if you keep identically sized pixels packed in same way 24MP is not a big deal to achieve...
width height Area
V1 13.2 8.8 116.16
DX 15.8 23.6 372.88
Area Ratio 3.210055096It's an oversimplification, but my point is with V1 and Micro 4/3rds in the market with not horrible image quality smaller pixels shouldn't really be so shocking...
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Paperman said:
...diffraction started at f5.9 and how useless all the pixels were beyond that...Bogus. It is all oversimplified math from 100 years ago that does not take into account modern lens design. It didn't happen with the Sony NEX 7, nor does it happen with every digi cam with sensors 1/10th the size of a DX sensor. People were pounding that drum when 10mp sensors came out. One could argue that some film was finer than any sensor out there and it didn't happen with it either.
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Well I confess I did not see a 24MP D3200 being produced. Not that I know anything to begin with but, if I was betting on a horse this would have been my last pick.
I could see diffraction might start a bit sooner than on a 10 MP camera but at F5.9 I think is a bit much. I admit I do not go into the laws of physics and count pixel size and calculate that this is impossible using the formulas of the past. I agree with TTJ that modern lenses have calculated for such math problems with the cameras of today, maybe that 200 MP DX sensor of the year 2050 might have a problem with diffraction. I also agree that film would have at least started to show signs of it if this was the case.
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