D700 upgrade will be an S not x, looks like - maybe

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jbl

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Yes I'm very disappointed by Nikon's D3s with only 720p. Pro body with amateur level video... this is unacceptable.

Even if I wasn't planning to buy the D3s (price and size of the body, however the 100% VF would be tempting) The fact that it was sold with 1080p with manual control would have give me some hopes for other bodies... However if the D700s or whatever gets the 1080p video, I wouldn't be surprised, it wouldn't be the first time that Nikon gives additional features to a smaller camera just because it's released a year or so after the pro version (d300 vs d90, the sensor cleaning of the D700 vs D3)

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Derek

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I really hope that the D700s will come very soon. I need to change my bodies before March and it will be so cool that the D700s will be disponible on this time !

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Grrrrrrr so frustrating that months later we are all still waiting-guess I am going to buy the d300s today and then just wait for the new FF release-if it ever comes!!!!!!!

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I agree I would be very upset if it is a D700s without improved resolution. I want the 5D Mark II equivalent and I think many others do also. We have the D3s already and the pro shooters can use that with their 5 grand. I want a $3000 D3x sensor in a smaller body. This release will be great for people regardless because the D700 will become very affordable and it is a wonderful camera. Maybe $1500 by summer?

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kanuck said:
I agree I would be very upset if it is a D700s without improved resolution. I want the 5D Mark II equivalent and I think many others do also. We have the D3s already and the pro shooters can use that with their 5 grand. I want a $3000 D3x sensor in a smaller body. This release will be great for people regardless because the D700 will become very affordable and it is a wonderful camera. Maybe $1500 by summer?

Sorry, but I want a D3S sensor in the D700S. I couldn't care less about more MPs if it comes at the expense of noise. And a 5D MkII equivalent? The D700 is already a better still camera for my purposes (low light). But I guess we all have different needs. It will be interesting to see what path Nikon takes.

One thing for certain is that it better have some good video capabilities and not be priced right. Otherwise there will be some people looking to make a switch

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i just don't know why everyone thinks 720p is amatuerish. . .how many clients actually have 1080p capability? How many have a blu-ray player that will play all those video clips?

I know I JUST bought a blu-ray player last weekend from PC Richards only because we had a gift certificate we received when we purchased our 1080p TV (in Oct 2009!!) that was expiring. . .with the coupon, it was $89, and I STILL thought that was too much given DVD players are going for $49 now a days. . .

So one has to really ask about audience, and I think Nikon is being smart in the transition. . even with a 1080p TV in the LR, I still find myself watching TV in bed with my wife on the 720p "old school" LCD :-?

The D700s was an obvious and predictable upgrade path, an SD card, new D3s sensor, and 720p video at 5fps keeps the D3s safe (dual CF and 9fps), D300s safe (100% view finder and 7fps), and D3x good. . .the D800/900 with the D3x will be an interesting release though. . .

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I'm seriouly looking at he D700 / 24-70 combo deal. I'd really like a piece of that D3s sensor though. D3s is out of my budget. So, is all this talk just talk for the sake of talk... or is there any meat to this?

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I started this thread way back before the D3S. The S model I was referring to turned out to be the D3S and not a D700S. Now the info is that there will be a D800(?) with more megapixels and better ISO performance but at the same range as the current D700. I'm thinking it'll probably show up sometime in early summer.

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kanuck

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Really a lot of people actually care about video in their DSLR? I am very surprised, this function has always been a waste of money for me whenever I consider buying a pro style body. I never shoot video as I just shoot photos. To me, adding video is just an excuse for the Nikon Corportion to justify a higher asking price when launching a new model. The other shooters I work with and the ones I in my club agree just give us image quality, iso, or more resolution please! Of the 20 photographers I know only 6 use the video option from a Nikon body...

Aaronphoto the D3X produces little noise with more resolution. It scores lower points in reduced light. My brother used to think that more resolution does not necessarily produce better images until he upgraded his 5d to a 5d mark II and right away he saw numerous improvements. He gets better depth of field, noticeable sharpness, and image detail is improved right away that I can see.

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Some art directors are asking about video. I'd love to be able to do some video added to the still shots...the problem is, I can't afford anything right now.

Jon

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kanuck

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Yes there is a correlation between photography and film and I can see the use of both in a DSLR. Adding video to your still shots would be nice especially if you are in a special place. I just wish Nikon continued working on making the best straight still shooting camera on the market first, but I guess they have to compete with other manufacturers.

JDeV is the D5000 enough video for you? Its not too badly priced.

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I need video on my next DSLR... video cameras that do what a DSLR with video capabilities do cost too much!!! look at the RED.. with a FX sensor... the lenses.. ouch.. I'd rather have a very good photo camera that is a very good low price video camera! what a deal! Why do you think videographer got interested in the 5d mk2? I can't believe people are still surprised that video in DSLR is a much wanted feature.. it's REVOLUTIONARY!

In the 60's the sony portapack changed the world for video artists and low budget filmakers, documentary film makers mostly. (because of how small it was)
In the late 00's it was the video feature in DSLR that changed the world for video artists. Make sure you understand how big this is.

about the 720p vs 1080p... I don't really need 1080p output.. but I want a very good 720p output and to get this, I'd like to shoot 1080p so I can crop, stabilize my frame.. do some crop&pan.. etc. it adds lot of flexibility..

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I would love to have a separate video camera from Nikon that uses the SLR lenses. That way you can re-use your lenses for both video and photo and still have a good machine for both, not some silly compromise that hardly keeps up with small video cameras. The only added value to the compact video cameras for dSLRs is the use of the lenses you have and the creative possibilities it'll give you. Right now without proper (or any at all) AF for the video, waste of money if you ask me.

As for the follow up on the D700, just give me way better HI ISO and I'll be just fine. Not going to use any more MPs anyway, and really, who does?

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Yes the lenses are the obvious advantage in using a DSLR to film... but you forget the large sensor. I wonder how much you have to pay for a FX sensor video camera... The RED ONE is not even FX... what about 35mm film? oh yeah right I don't have 20 000$ budget for the footage PLUS the very expensive camera... nothx.

currently, the video feature on DSLR is the only affordable good image quality video camera there is for me... I still don't understand how every time I say something like this people suggest me a camcorder.. maybe they think I need the video feature to film my kids or some shit (sorry if you have kids, I'm just frustrated) a camcorder offers NONE of the features I'm looking for: short DOF, wide angle lenses, wide apertures, good high iso performance.. camcorders are shit even if you pay 5 000$ I'd rather pay 5000-10000$ on pro level photography gear, enjoy a very fine camera, experience photography to the max, and still have the best video camera for the price which can do very pro looking jobs.

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HI jbl !

I don't know what is you're background film or photography but I feel exactly the same as well. I am a filmmaker but as a hobby i take photographs when I get the chance. I have been a Nikon user since 94 and been very happy with all my Nikon gear that I bought since then.

Back in October I bought a D300s because of the video option. Although I knew about the 5Dm2 and later one 7D I bought the Nikon D300s because of the lenses that I have.
Even though I knew that D-movie mode on D300s wasn't same as it was on 7D where every thing can be set manual I went and bought the Nikon thinking that it will catch up with a firmware update, which will fix the main problem that even D90 had back when it was released. Obviously that didn't happen all we got was few problem fixes with the batt grip and CF card.

Now that we are expecting something to come up on the 8th hopefully Nikon has build a DSLR camera with us filmmaker on mind. It will be nice if they released a firmware for a lot of people who own D90 and D300s to be able to control the camera.

It seems that a lot photographers over here didn't understand our concerns of wanting to have that extra feature on our DSLRs because at the end of the day they take photos and not videos, hence they don't like to pay that extra feature when they buy their cameras.

When I joined this forum I was suggested to buy a video camera as well if I wanted to record video but I guess by now a lot of member on this group are learning to accept that the video in DSLR is becoming a thing to have.

Jbl, lets hope that we get something interesting form Nikon this monday the 8th.
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Valonqe

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kanuck said:

Aaronphoto the D3X produces little noise with more resolution. It scores lower points in reduced light. My brother used to think that more resolution does not necessarily produce better images until he upgraded his 5d to a 5d mark II and right away he saw numerous improvements. He gets better depth of field, noticeable sharpness, and image detail is improved right away that I can see.

I never said more MP doesn't produce better images (in fact I know it's an advantage), I only said I wouldn't trade ISO performance for MP because it's more valuable to me for my purposes. Nothing will ruin a picture more than noise. The D3X is good in low light but nowhere in the same category as the D3S (Nothing else is) or even a D700.

As for video, this really is a revolutionary step for film making. Every film maker I know has a Canon of some sort because of this. The video solution is not perfect from a ease of use standpoint but the product produced is incredible.

Sure, maybe some/most photographers don't care about the video ability, but if Nikon doesn't catch up it's going to cut into their market share.

BTW, camcorders suck at what they're supposed to be good at anyways.

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When I started Cannonites were just popping up, and the main selling point for most of them was that the new system could interchange lenses with video cameras. Then again "pro"s were the ones who shot NIKON not Canon

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jbl

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Oh hi Valonge, feels good to see that I'm not alone.

Only reason the D300s did not really interest me is because I'd like to shoot in 1080p.. and I own a D300.. didn't feel like spending this much just to add the video feature.. Also, I'm waiting for FX.

my background is mostly photography, that's where I have most experience, but I did lots of video works video stop motion and a friend's D90 and other cameras as well.. I like both media a lot and I want a good camera for both.. that's why the DSLRs are so interesting.

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jbl said:
Oh hi Valonge, feels good to see that I'm not alone.

Only reason the D300s did not really interest me is because I'd like to shoot in 1080p.. and I own a D300.. didn't feel like spending this much just to add the video feature.. Also, I'm waiting for FX.

my background is mostly photography, that's where I have most experience, but I did lots of video works video stop motion and a friend's D90 and other cameras as well.. I like both media a lot and I want a good camera for both.. that's why the DSLRs are so interesting.

Tell me about as we say over here jbl.

I also wanted to have the 1080p when they where rumors that D300s was to come out. When it came out I was so disaponted but still went ahead and bough it. I told my self Nikon will soon release a firmware that will fix the problem. At the end of the day I didn't mind the 720p because it's double the resolutin of the Pal, which meens that we still can pan and scan. If only Nikon fixed the manual control I would of been a happy bunny wiht my d300s

I thing with in the next year or so all cameras are going to have the video as a must if they want to sell camereas so I am keeping my fingers corssed tha nikon will birng a camera that is FF sensor at afordable price, similar to 5Dm2.
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jonnyapple

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I don't think you'll be disappointed, Valon. I doubt Nikon would release a D800 without 1080p or that its price would start at much more than $3000.

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valonqe

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I seriously hope so Jonny. I hardly can wait for the 8th and se what comes up from NIkon
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jonnyapple

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On the 8th it's probably just about coolpixes (maybe an EVIL camera?) and the efforts toward a closer Nikon community. I'd think it would be summer or fall for the next round of updates, but what do I know? I thought for sure they would have a D700s out by now. Maybe that will come early spring and will have 1080p video and the D3s sensor. It doesn't hurt to hope, right?

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NikoDoby

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I'm not convinced we will even see a new COOLPIX on Monday jonny. It seems to just be a new marketing campaign and website launch for Nikon.

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jonnyapple

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Oh yeah, that's what I meant, Niko. Not new coolpixes, but a discussion about the ones that just got released. The EVIL is a long shot.

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NikoDoby

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We will see a Nikon EVIL at Photokina in September.

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