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tcole1983

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I think I am curious to see what the D5200 will offer. If they beef up the AF and make some changes that make it more toward a D7000 then we might see the body lines of the D7000 replacement and D400 merge. I am just curious to see what the D7000 replacement would have since the D3200 and D5200 already have the 24MP sensor and the D5200 will have D600 metering. If they put the 39 point AF in the D5200 then there really isn't much for a D7000 replacement except for the controls and in body AF motor.

Just to think about.

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Kuv

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And on top of everything you just said, they could just release the D400 in January 2013.
I'd be fine with that.

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This thread has 677 posts and counting....I guess I missed the 677 post thread on NR where everyone was begging for a D5200 LOL!

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The issue is that Nikon doesn't read this site. Second issue, Nikon will likely sell 20 D5200's for every D400 they could possibly sell. With that in mind you can see why the marketing department would push for the release the D5200 in the pre-holiday season, rather than the D400?

If the D7200 and/or D400 were to come out this fall, along with the D5200, the Thailand plant would be trying (in vain) to produce volume of five highly desirable bodies released too close together. (1.D600 2. D400 3. D7200 4. D5200 5. D3200) Believe it or not the D3100, D3200 and D5100 account for more than 50% of Nikon DSLR's sold, so where do you think the priority for Nikon is?

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shutterdancer said:
This thread has 677 posts and counting.......

PB PM said:
The issue is that Nikon doesn't read this site.....

Of course Nikon read this site . They waiting for this thread to get to 1000 posts before they release the D400

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shutterdancer

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@sevencrossing, If I knew that would work i'd stay up all night posting ;-)

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681....

One more time..... D400

Actually Nikon does read this thread. But, the answer to it from a corporate perspective is just like asking Nikon technical support a question. Quite often it will be a complete non committal answer which suggests they want everything silent and secret.

And this is understandable with one exception. I would want Nikon to say something like the next generation of the D300s will be coming within six months....the problem is, once this is made, all the D300s bodes will have to be sold at 40% off retail...and the Nikon dealers would go berserk over this.

So, the "no news" policy is to protect dealers as well as to allow the other products to continue to sell.

mmmmm....

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Kuv

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PB PM said:
... Nikon will likely sell 20 D5200's for every D400 they could possibly sell...

msmoto said:
...the problem is, once this is made, all the D300s bodes will have to be sold at 40% off retail...

I don't think it'd be a 20:1 ratio. They aren't selling much D300s anyway. The issue is the D5100 is a newer than the D300s. A D5200 will rob the D5100 of sales, while the D400 would barely lower D300s sales (since not many people want to buy 3 (5!) year old technology.

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poopa

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Did someone post a short-list or requested D400 improvements?

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@ poopa..... in a few words.... the D400 must be a D300s with native ISO of 12,800, focus speed of the D4, at least 8 FPS. The sensor size is of no importance to me.....probably 16 Mp to get the Hi ISO.

If Nikon comes out with a D400 which has only native ISO of 6,400, it will be a bust IMO. The "pro" DX has to be just this... a mini D4.

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Thanks "Big Gun Cougar" so here is a new short list, most important improvement first.
. ISO at least 6,400
. FPs of at least 8
. Focus speed of D4
. 24 MP (from http://bythom.com/)
. Connectivity of D4 (I added this just for fun.)
. Smaller and lighter than D300s (I added this just to be mean.)

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I would be happy with 16-18MP poopa. I would preder to get cleaner high ISO, than the somewhat larger print size from 24MP.

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Kuv said:
I don't think it'd be a 20:1 ratio. They aren't selling much D300s anyway. The issue is the D5100 is a newer than the D300s. A D5200 will rob the D5100 of sales, while the D400 would barely lower D300s sales (since not many people want to buy 3 (5!) year old technology.

The D5100, like the D5000 before it will be disconnected on release of the D5200, so no issue of lost sales for Nikon. The D300s would likewise be disconnected. Once a new model enters production, production of the old model stops and the price is discounted.

I don't doubt that the D5200 would outsell the D400 (if there is to be one) by 20:1. The D3100, D3200, and D5100 each outsell all the other Nikon DSLRs by at least that much if the charts I saw earlier this year were correct.

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tcole1983 said:
I think I am curious to see what the D5200 will offer. If they beef up the AF and make some changes that make it more toward a D7000 then we might see the body lines of the D7000 replacement and D400 merge. I am just curious to see what the D7000 replacement would have since the D3200 and D5200 already have the 24MP sensor and the D5200 will have D600 metering. If they put the 39 point AF in the D5200 then there really isn't much for a D7000 replacement except for the controls and in body AF motor.

Just to think about.

So I am seconding this comment of mine...they are either ditching the D7000 line or the D400 line. Only thing setting the D5XXX line and D7XXX line apart now is the in body AF motor and some controls.

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Using what seems to be Nikon's current logic,I expect to see a D7000 replacement next,and if a D400 isn't released by 7/30/13, exactly four years to the day that the D300s was released,then we will never see one. I will wait at least that long and if we don't see one by then,I guess that come 8/1/13 , i'll use the money that I had planed on spending on a D400 and a 300mm f/2.8 on another guitar or two ;-)

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Kuv

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No D400 would mean that the first "big" body is the D800 @$3k.
There is a number of us who like the rugged D300(s) built, but can't justify that price.

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Champagne taste but beer budget eh? You have to compromise with D7000/7200 or D600 then....

That's not so bad is it?

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Kuv

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Niether is a large-body camera.

The D7000 is very close to what I need, but not quite there. The D600 has nothing that interests me atm.

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spraynpray

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Sorry I forgot to say put a grip on.

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Kuv

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Not nearly the same.

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So, Nikon with the D5200 now, then comes the D7200 or whatever, and in about three months...mid January D400. The clue will be the incentives offered on the D300s. Once we see these, I suspect the D400 will not be to far behind. And, it should have the same relationship to the D4, the D300 had to the D3 except the D400 will have native ISO of 12,800. It will have to stand alone from the other crop sensor cameras.

The alternative is a Crop sensor body which is a mirrorless hybrid type and will replace the D400....who knows...i am only guessing....

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Yes like many of you I am disappointed that the D400 wasn't next but it makes some sense. The D3200/D5200 Nikons entry level cameras needed to be out well ahead of the Christmas buying season and we want these cameras to be successful and for Nikon to make a boat load of money! I'm pinning all my hope on a Jan release date. And yes of course, those who wait will be rewarded with the finest DX sensored camera ever conceived and built. There will be much weeping and D4 owners will wonder if perhaps they made a mistake. Someone will start a thread is FX dead and there will be much rejoicing in the households of the DX photographers..... Perhaps Nikon could send us a sign....and as alway I will keep my eye towards the East. ;-)

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Kuv

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I poke my nose on CanonRummors every once in a while. They are expecting the 7D upgrade in Jan 2013 as well.

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Mihai CH

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Considering the price point of D5200/D7000 & D600, where do you guys see this D400?

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I'm afraid we're going to see a D7100 before a D400. It'll probably go like D3200/D5200/D7100/D400. And that means a D7100 in January (they most likely won't bring them out together in January) and a D400 in/after March 2013? A D7100 is not going to be what I'm looking for. I need top notch buffer, fps, build quality, AF... and that's where the D400 comes in. I can go D800, or even D4 for that matter, were it not that I'm a wildlife photographer who needs the extra reach that DX provides.

And somehow I can't image Nikon putting the same 24MP sensor in all of their DX bodies... just my 2 cents..

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