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Abhay said:
looks like we are still waiting for two three DX level cameras to fill and match the price gap...I wish for following:
D400 at ~ $1750 - 16MP (same as D4)
D7100 at ~ $1250 - 36MP (same as D800)
D5200 at ~ $900 - 36MP (same as D800 but with articulated screen)
I *fear* you are wishing for prices too low but I *wish* you would be right... I'd go for a 7100 at that price.
Do I *know* if this is the case? Nope.
Come on Nikon ... get on with product releases. :-)
Abhay said:
looks like we are still waiting for two three DX level cameras to fill and match the price gap...I wish for following:
D400 at ~ $1750 - 16MP (same as D4)
D7100 at ~ $1250 - 36MP (same as D800)
D5200 at ~ $900 - 36MP (same as D800 but with articulated screen)
Are you serious!!? 36MP in an amateur body? Where are casual shooters going to get the storage/computer power from to handle these kind of sizes? 36MP in DX is ridiculous...
24 MP max!
I see many frustrated Nikon shooters blogging and posting to blogs around the net lately.The D600 is not getting very much love. Not pro enough for the pros and too expensive for the average consumer.It seems to me that the the pent-up demand for a direct replacement for the D700 is incredible.That sweet spot between the "too much" D800 and the "not enough" D600.
The demand is also there for pro built DX..AKA D400.Now that Nikon is through giving us what they think we want.....maybe they will get busy producing what we actually want!
shutterdancer said:
I see many frustrated Nikon shooters blogging and posting to blogs around the net lately.The D600 is not getting very much love. Not pro enough for the pros and too expensive for the average consumer.It seems to me that the the pent-up demand for a direct replacement for the D700 is incredible.That sweet spot between the "too much" D800 and the "not enough" D600.The demand is also there for pro built DX..AKA D400.Now that Nikon is through giving us what they think we want.....maybe they will get busy producing what we actually want!
I don't foresee Nikon selling very many D600's for the fact that they put it in a body with control similiar to the D7000. But, I could be wrong after I hold one at Photokina on Friday.
The D600 can use DX lenses just like the D800 and D4...either in DX crop mode, or with an interesting vignette. Nothing new here.
However, a small possibility exists, although I am told, very small, something may be coming from Nikon on Tuesday, the first day of Photokina......
So msmoto, how are you feeling on your previous prediction of tomorrow at 9am or whatever it was? I will be at a real crossroads with Nikon if we don't get a D400.
My D70 screams at me everyday "Im inadequate for your needs!".
Lol I have considered getting a D70 for the 1/500 sync :D
I wanted a D700 with video and a firmware upgrade... Ill probably get a used D3s as I cannot afford a D4 now. The D600 seems nice but being priced around the a900 with a few obvious cripples (1/4000 SS) it seems a bit late. You could get the D700 and 5Dmk2 for around $2100 refurb in the stores a year ago. The price vs the obvious cripple really don't make this camera to appealing considering what they are coming from.
A few months ago canonites were complaining that the 5dmk3 was $1000 overpriced. Then Canon rubs salt in the wound by putting a subpar camera in the price slot the 5dmk3 should have been. Many nikonians feel the same about the D700 vs the D600. If they didn't cripple the Shutter speed amd flash sync Nikon would have had many more happy buyers. Now they have no performance bodies in their lineup except the D4. The d90 was toolset, d300s was performance, the D700 was low light, The d3s was performance, and the d3x was resolution.
Now the D7000 is low light/toolset (Dx), the D600 is "low light" and resolution, the D800 is resoultion, and the d4 is performance...
People want either a cheap (sub $3000) performance body, or a Dx (crop sensored) performance body. The d600 is not a performance body so everybody is mad. We thought the D800 would be one but they pulled a 5dmk2 trick on us.
I personally may just get a used D3s for now because I cannot afford a D4
To be honest I feel the same way. I think a used D3 or D3s would be a nice addition. My D700 would then stay as a soild backup.
It would seem that most of us are in agreement then.....Nikon is not producing what the majority of us want or need.... Overheard on the street..."Ok the D800 is the closest thing to a D700,so I guess that I have to buy that,plus 100 TB of hard drive space,yawn"......"The D600 has a semi fast frame rate,so I guess I,ll have to buy that to get me a little less than halfway to a D300s replacement....yawn".This is the only time since picking up my first Nikon in the late 70's,that I have been really pi$$ed with their offerings.At present,I want none of their new bodies....except a D400,and possibily the D4....which I can't afford.
Now their stake in Nik-software is gone for good....a product that would have killed Adobe with just the smallest amount of investment and love....
It really pains me to say this,but bye,bye Nikon.....you were once my best photographic friend...RIP!
shutterdancer said:
Now their stake in Nik-software is gone for good....a product that would have killed Adobe with just the smallest amount of investment and love....
Nikon should leave the software business to companies that know a thing or two about coding and innovation ... so I say that's actually a good thing.
@kenadams....hopefully you're right....and I do like Google,but they are much better at building toys than they are at building work tools!
So we're just a few hours from msmoto's predicted time. I hope my heart isn't broken when I awake in the morning. ;)
Unfortunately, I'd prepare to be disappointed, Ben. I've Ben watching this site since 2007, and I've never known admin to miss a camera body, even if there has been a lens surprise or two now and then.
shutterdancer said:
I see many frustrated Nikon shooters blogging and posting to blogs around the net lately.The D600 is not getting very much love. Not pro enough for the pros and too expensive for the average consumer.It seems to me that the the pent-up demand for a direct replacement for the D700 is incredible.That sweet spot between the "too much" D800 and the "not enough" D600.The demand is also there for pro built DX..AKA D400.Now that Nikon is through giving us what they think we want.....maybe they will get busy producing what we actually want!
Oh the D600 is getting the love, those who have been waiting, just put an order in and no longer feel the need to write. Those who believed the $1,500 pipe dream are screaming. And now those who want a D400 are all that is left and are trying to continue to convince themselves to wait for a D400 release by trying to show how a D600 is less of a camera.
If you objectionably look at the D600, it is priced perfect and has the features (or the lack thereof) to position a full featured DX at about the same price or slightly cheaper. I think a D400 will come in at $1,800-$2,000 (same as the D300) but as usual with all the bells and whistles of the pro bodies. So the choice would be, full featured DX body or a limited featured FX body for $100 more. The thing that will trow a wrench in everything for everyone is if they are the same MP and the FX has better low light by at least a solid 1-2 stops. Then imagine the mess if the FPS are the same. Nikon could do that to push sales into a D600 and use that to justify no longer needing a pro featured DX. (Personally I think this is what will happen.)
Just for the record, my sources have backed off and indicated that the D400 may not be a Photokina option... And, one line of reasoning is clearly stated by TTJ. However, I think the goal of all the camera folks is to get to a mirrorless system which has all the abilities of the DSLR, yet will have unlimited FPS due to no mechanical mirror. The bugaboo is in focusing during the exposure and it could very well be Nikon is putting forth a large effort to solve this problem rather than develop a stunning D400.
We will just have to see...
Well I really don't know what to do. Im quite disappointed. I only have three lenses and a flash for my D70. Switching wouldn't be terribly difficult but I sure would love to stick with Nikon. :(
I'm genuinely in agony!
My D90 is held together with masking tape, and I am so desperate for a D400.
The reason being is although I have a nice Fx Dx collection, a D600/800 would have me screaming for the 24-70 2.8. I love my 17-55 2.8Dx on my D90.
A D400, even at £1800 would be a go-er,
The D600 is pricing in here in the UK at £1955, with the D800 only £300 more!! crazy.
So why would I go for the D600 over the D800? I'm not a sports shooter; family and landscapes/wide.
Ah, I would also need a new wide - so throw on another £1200!
That's £3-4k to move to Fx. It isn't looking likely.
ben_v3 said:
Well I really don't know what to do. Im quite disappointed. I only have three lenses and a flash for my D70. Switching wouldn't be terribly difficult but I sure would love to stick with Nikon. :(
Switch to where? The only DX system announced that is at that level is Pentax. It does look like a great system and their high end DX camera's have been arguably better than Nikon and Canon (except video) for the last 5-6 years. Right now, that is the only high-end option. But then again, it is buying new glass, accessories, flashes, etc. Which would eat up $1,600-$2,000 quick.
TaoTeJared said:
Switch to where? The only DX system announced that is at that level is Pentax. It does look like a great system and their high end DX camera's have been arguably better than Nikon and Canon (except video) for the last 5-6 years. Right now, that is the only high-end option. But then again, it is buying new glass, accessories, flashes, etc. Which would eat up $1,600-$2,000 quick.
I guess I was thinking a Canon 7D. It does 8 FPS. I'm just thinking crazy anyway. I could never leave Nikon. I like their system way too much. The waiting continues :(
Thom seems to think February for the D400 (check his D600 story and search for D400). "(Come February I suspect we'll get the next notch (e.g. D400 and/or D7200)."
I still have hope, especially considering what he writes about Nikon wanting us to buy the expensive upper models first. Seems logical to me, even though it's not very customer oriented from Nikon's side :p.
I read Thoms's post too,and he just may be right,give or take a month or two.To remain relevant, like it or not,Nikon has to produce a preformance oriented DX body..I will also go out on a limb and predict that such a body will surpass the sales of both the D800 and D600 combined.
Who's Thom?
I need it before Xmas! How can I justify that kind of spending in Feb!? I'll be making child maintenance payments if I try :)
@Peely22...Thom is a legend in his own mind.....I feel your pain ,and see a mid-level P&S coming your way sometime soon!
TaoTeJared said:
Oh the D600 is getting the love, those who have been waiting, just put an order in and no longer feel the need to write. Those who believed the $1,500 pipe dream are screaming. And now those who want a D400 are all that is left and are trying to continue to convince themselves to wait for a D400 release by trying to show how a D600 is less of a camera.If you objectionably look at the D600, it is priced perfect and has the features (or the lack thereof) to position a full featured DX at about the same price or slightly cheaper. I think a D400 will come in at $1,800-$2,000 (same as the D300) but as usual with all the bells and whistles of the pro bodies. So the choice would be, full featured DX body or a limited featured FX body for $100 more. The thing that will trow a wrench in everything for everyone is if they are the same MP and the FX has better low light by at least a solid 1-2 stops. Then imagine the mess if the FPS are the same. Nikon could do that to push sales into a D600 and use that to justify no longer needing a pro featured DX. (Personally I think this is what will happen.)
Or you could just buy a D800 and have both formats.
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