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msmoto

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Could it be this thread is related to our fears regarding the current economy, and the potential for less income for many of us? Credit cards are a modern invention in one sense. There was a day when we purchased something by going to the bank or by saving up cash and then we ordered the item.

If a large company is to allow us to use a credit card to order merchandise, we are saying we are good for it. Thus, for the amount of the item, we have actually reduced our ability to pay by the amount of the item. On the other hand, if we have the ability to pay for a large amount of goods, then the idea of "authorization" on one's credit card is really inconsequential. Having the amount on our card locked in, actually protects us so we do not overextend ourselves. And thus we are able to pay for the amount of our credit limit each month.

Hope this is helpful and not offensive to anyone....

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Although the intent of OP was something else while starting this thread, I see it as a progress report of a much anticipated D800 I would like to get my hands on.

Adorama has a brand ambassador visiting this forum, hope B&H does too.

Come on B&H make me a proud customer.

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Nikoner said:
Although the intent of OP was something else while starting this thread, I see it as a progress report of a much anticipated D800 I would like to get my hands on.

Adorama has a brand ambassador visiting this forum, hope B&H does too.

Come on B&H make me a proud customer.

Actually it is the AF-S NIKKOR 85mm f/1.8G, due in my warm little hands tomorrow! if UPS cooperates! From B & H

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I don't really find the practice of b&h when ordering any different than other merchants from other venues. Many places that take pre-orders or preregistrations at least put a hold on the card if not out right charge you. It is good to know someone is doing it before they do it, but it doesn't seem "bad" as maybe it was made out to be. Some places don't charge until the item is shipped, but in the case of something that is this expensive I think they are justified in the practice of putting a "hold" on the credit card. If you can't manage with having the hold on the card then cancel the order and buy it when they have them in stock and you aren't waiting months for the order to come in...I guess if you want to order something months ahead of time then that is the price you pay IMO.

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Did anyone receive an vague status update email from B&H about how they don't know how many and when will they receive shipments of D800? No dates mentioned in the email, on site its still March 22nd.

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"Thank you for your pre-order of the exciting new Nikon D800digital SLR camera.
We know you're excited about this camera and we're as enthusiastic to get it to
you as you are to receive it.

"This moment we do not know how many cameras we'll receive from Nikon USA nor do we know the exact date we'll receive each shipment from them. As this situation evolves we will update you with whatever information we're able to share.

Your patience and patronage are both greatly appreciated. Thank you."

Maybe they are lowering expectations.

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On the blog there are people claiming I am 2nd, or 7th, or 1st in the queue for the elusive D800, why don't B&H tell its D800 customers their number in the waiting queue?

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Nikoner said:
On the blog there are people claiming I am 2nd, or 7th, or 1st in the queue for the elusive D800, why don't B&H tell its D800 customers their number in the waiting queue?

What is the benefit to B&H to divulge that information??

I guess I don't understand the competitive or financial advantage to be gained from providing that information.

Let's assume that places like B&H and Adorama started divulging where customers lie in the wait queue. Products like the D4 and D800 generate serious hype, and many people place multiple pre-orders. If you placed multiple pre-orders found out your place in line at Adorama was #57 and at B&H you were #299...you may be tempted to cancel your pre-order with B&H figuring it may be months before you receive your camera. And....if you find out you are #299, chances are you may divulge that information to other potential customers who feel they may have a better chance to score a camera if they place their order with Adorama versus B&H. My point is that by providing that information to the customer the retailer introduces the possibility of losing sales.

Besides even if retailers provided that infomation, how would you know it's accurate? What is to prevent retailers from telling multiple customers who placed pre-orders you are #7 in line? If the retailer deceptively informed you of your place in line, chances are you might not feel the need to pre-order the product from another retailer. What if in reality you were #200 in line, and if you would have placed your order with another retailer you could have been #79?

Don't get me wrong, as a consumer I would love to have accurate information regarding my spot in line. But I would be fearful that information would be deceptively or inaccurately provided to customers in order to enhance sales. Not trying to disparage B&H or Adorama, but we live in an environment where deceptive sales practice have unfortunately become the norm.

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Nikoner said:
On the blog there are people claiming I am 2nd, or 7th, or 1st in the queue for the elusive D800, why don't B&H tell its D800 customers their number in the waiting queue?

Oh, gosh, old folks love it when someone gives us a straight line....

And the answer is...... Because if B & H told us and we shared that information, it would really irritate a whole lot of folks who "think" they should be first. Once this camera ships, and we have it in our hands, then drop a photo onto Photo-A-Day, with the data it is a D4, 16-35mm/f4.0 VR Nikkor (this will be my first one out of the box) etc., then we will know our "pecking order". I can hear it now, that is if I get one from the first shipment, "how did that old lady finagle one of those D4's so quickly?

Maybe they will feel sorry for an old person? Who knows. And maybe the very first ones will get out there and a software glitch shows up. There are most likely about a trillion combinations of circumstances with all the variables that can occur in the shooting of photos, and no possibility of testing can find all the glitches. not even the simulations...

So, as I am now unpacking my new D4 body, let me get out and shoot some so I can post some photos.... just kidding folks, just kidding..... mmm...... gosh look at that instruction book..... mmm...... one never knows......

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msmoto said:
.... Once this camera ships, and we have it in our hands, then drop a photo onto Photo-A-Day, with the data it is a D4, 16-35mm/f4.0 VR Nikkor (this will be my first one out of the box) etc., then we will know our "pecking order". ....So, as I am now unpacking my new D4 body, let me get out and shoot some so I can post some photos.... just kidding folks, just kidding..... mmm...... gosh look at that instruction book..... mmm...... one never knows......

You're killing me! Maybe if I get my D800 they'll ask how that no-talent old guy got one so soon...I'm hoping to have the funds from this project to order a 12-24 zoom at the same time. I have never worked with angles wider than 28 mm before, so my first photo will be a picture of my dog's nose at 12 mm... Let me warn you. He is ugly.

I still think we will see the D800s on or about the last week of March. Since I have officially stopped shooting film I have to use a Canon point and shoot and a V1 to get by until my D800 arrives. (Although I get to do a lot of shooting on site with a borrowed D700 this week and I still have some work to do next Wed with the same D700. It is a nice camera, and I almost pulled the trigger on a newly discounted unit. Fortunately for my wallet, they sold out.)

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What happens when you pre-order from B&H?

You get something that was pre-ordered from B&H...

Lol Msmoto. I usually wait until about 6months after they started popping up on store shelves. Just in case a glitch surfaces late...

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kyoshinikon said:

Lol Msmoto. I usually wait until about 6months after they started popping up on store shelves. Just in case a glitch surfaces late...

I certainly agree, but when you are as old as I am, you just get on with it, Ha, ha, ha. I actually have some people I wanted to shoot for a special campaign, and so am putting off the shoot until the camera arrives.... if possible. May have to go with the D90 ISO 100, hold my breath hoping the quality is adequate. I do not own one of the FX cameras at present.

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This reminds me of the Acura NSX commercial where Jerry Seinfeld wants to be the first to get the new car but is told he's not. He then proceeds to try to bribe the No.1 guy with gifts and such, only to be one-upped by Jay Leno in the end. LOL.

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I received another e-mail from B&H, identical to the previous one. The talk about Amazon having a release date of 20 March while Yodobashi camera's website (along with other Japanese sites) gives the "first day of sale" is 22 March surprises me. I can't understand how Amazon can release on 20 March while Yodobashi has to release on 22 March, unless they are counting two days for delivery, so nobody would actually receive the cameras before 22 March.

I hope B&H doesn't disappoint me. I'm looking forward to using every possible photon entering my wide angle lenses again!

________

Dear ____:

Thank you for your pre-order of the exciting new Nikon D800digital SLR camera.
We know you're excited about this camera and we're as enthusiastic to get it to
you as you are to receive it.

This moment we do not know how many cameras we'll receive from Nikon USA nor do
we know the exact date we'll receive each shipment from them. As this situation
evolves we will update you with whatever information we're able to share.

Your patience and patronage are both greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Sincerely,

B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio
http://www.bandh.com/

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I received the same email from B&H. Please note that Amazon's site states: "Note on Availability: This item is in high demand and we have taken orders up to our initial allocations. We will continue to accept pre-orders and fill them as soon as additional inventory becomes available. We will not charge your credit card until we ship the product."

I, like most pre-orderers, am impatiently waiting. Last night when I looked at Amazon's website I saw they were taking orders and I don't believe the overallocation note was up. So I was wondering what was going on with B&H. Apparently nothing. I just need to wait patiently because at this point nothing will speed delivery.

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TEN...

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NINE....

Actually, as today is the 12th where I am, the count down is Three... on the 13th, TWO, and on the 14th ONE.

On the 15th, I am expecting an email from B & H stating the order (D4) went to "New Order Processing" and is shipping on the 15th.

And if this does not happen, then another email like the eight or ten I have already. The new cards are on a separated order and they are listed as "backordered" as well.

But, the real answer is most likely a proprietary issue and I think it may very well have to do with Canon, and possible hold ups in their new things. Canon and Nikon most likely discuss a lot of stuff behind closed doors. And it is doubtful there is anything unlawful about the way they do it. Both companies benefit from quality, and neither is immune to screw ups. So, they will hold each other's hand as a mistake in one company actually is bad for both.

And in another 48 hours I am holding my breath....

.....for about 30 seconds, ha, ha, ha.

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Wataru said:
I received another e-mail from B&H, identical to the previous one. I can't understand how Amazon can release on 20 March while Yodobashi has to release on 22 March, unless they are counting two days for delivery, so nobody would actually receive the cameras before 22 March.

As an Amazon Prime customer, you can receive one day delivery for $3.99. Per Amazon, my D4 should be delivered on Mar 21st...we will see.

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Beso said:
I received the same email from B&H. Please note that Amazon's site states: "Note on Availability: This item is in high demand and we have taken orders up to our initial allocations. We will continue to accept pre-orders and fill them as soon as additional inventory becomes available. We will not charge your credit card until we ship the product."

I, like most pre-orderers, am impatiently waiting. Last night when I looked at Amazon's website I saw they were taking orders and I don't believe the overallocation note was up. So I was wondering what was going on with B&H. Apparently nothing. I just need to wait patiently because at this point nothing will speed delivery.

I originally ordered my D4 via B&H, and then when Amazon re-opened pre-orders I ordered from them and cancelled by B&H order. I ordered from Amazon March 8th (early evening), at that time the overallocation notice was not up. If I remember correctly, a few hours later I checked back because someone else commented on the overallocation notice being up on the D800. When I checked back on the D4, the overallocation notice was up.

I took a chance by cancelling my B&H order, but I didn't want to clog up the system with multiple orders. Besides, B&H was going to charge me almost $90 for two day delivery, while Amazon was going to charge me $3.99 for being an Amazon Prime member. Also, Amazon gave me a specific delivery date, and B&H simply kept sending e-mails telling me they had no idea when they would receive their D4 shipment. Who knows...maybe I will regret it in the end, but Amazon has always done right be me.

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msmoto

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TWO.... days to the shipping of a D4 from B & H, hopefully

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NINE...

(TWO...)

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Rx4Photo

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Msmoto, I'm looking forward to seeing your UNBOXING VIDEO! ha ha...

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I pre-ordered a D4 from B&H and then the other day I got a strangely-worded email that basically conveyed the message "don't be too surprised if you don't see your camera for a while." Of course there were the obligatory phrases telling me how much they appreciated my business and how hard they were working, blah blah blah... I canceled my order. *sigh*

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Rx4Photo said:
Msmoto, I'm looking forward to seeing your UNBOXING VIDEO! ha ha...

Ha, ha, ha..... what might be seen is a photo of the camera as it will go out into the real world. I shoot with my cameras blacked out with gaffer's tape over all labels, so the uninformed will not be able to easily tell it is a D4 or even a NIKON.

A word to PitchBlack. We all get the same emails. Even NPS members get these. If B & H has 500 orders, gets 200 cameras the first shipment, then 200 the second, a week later, and so on, they do exactly what they promise. The orders are filled by the time stamp when entered.

Of course I am going to be royally PO'd if I do not have mine immediately! More laughing in the background..... (Carbear, Ferdie, and Dawg)

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I see that Nikon will be counting inventory from 24 March until 1 April, which means no shipments during that time. In a sense, that is a good thing, because shipment prior to then will make Nikon's FY results look good, and shipments after that will make the results look bad. (Inventory is evil). If they ship prior to 24 March they can book profits, they don't have to count inventory, and unsold finished goods will not show up on their balance sheet (which looks really bad to shareholders.)

Just being optimistic. My colleague tells me that there are pallets of boxes of Canon 5D Mk IIIs sitting in dealer and distributor inventory waiting for shipment by the end of March for the same reason. Has anyone seen similar stacks of D4s or D800s stockpiled for shipment?

EIGHT...

(ONE for msmoto!)

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