Call me lazy, but I don't feel like digging through the specs looking for this. Does anyone know what the chroma subsampling is on the HDMI video stream that the D4 outputs? It would be a step in the right direction if it's not as heavily subsampled as the rest of the current offerings (all current Nikons and Canons that shoot H.264 are 4:2:0 subsampled, if I'm not mistaken).
Nikon D4 discussion
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Niz said:
With the D4 coming out I was just checking out the price of a used D3 and found they are going right around $3,200 on keh. Once the D4 is out and we get closer to April and May would it be silly to think we could see the price of a used D3 around $2,500-2,800 in that range. If so is the D3 worth the pick up or is it still "out of date" to be using as a pro photographer?Worth a look - yes, $2500 - doubtful for a long time, 2 years maybe. It will hover around $3k as the demand for shooters wanting to move to FX will be high.
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All I really know is that through uncompressed HDMI to a data recorder you can get 8bit 4:2:2 out of the D4. I really was hoping for them to unlock it a bit more and allow 10bit but things get even more pricey for 10 bit I guess.
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I'm not a video guru but isn't 10bit only in the $30,000 cameras now with high end solid state drives to handle that much data? Do the low end RED have that even?
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aesnakes said:
a used d3s here in vancouver is going or 2900,3300,4000...if i didnt need the 1080p uncompressed video it would be a no-brainerA used D3s for only $2,900? How many actuations? The high-performance video features of the D4 are really piqueing my interest, but for a D3s at a price that enticing, I'd opt for another D3s as a second body, instead of a new D4. [Note: I just checked US Ebay sellers' offerings--used D3s pricing is still hovering around $3,900-$4,200 USD.]
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TaoTeJared said:
I'm not a video guru but isn't 10bit only in the $30,000 cameras now with high end solid state drives to handle that much data? Do the low end RED have that even?Sony F3 - 4:2:2 10bit via HD-SDI Slog output
Red Scarlet shoots in Redcode raw
not many cameras do allow this. 10bit allows you to really grade these shots without the image breaking apart. Just dreaming that they would allow 10bit out to an external recorder but its not going to happen anytime soon I guess
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Here is 6400 from Nikon AU's site.
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6400 ISO certainly looks very usable to me, perhaps even a stop or two higher?
It does seem the D4 will provide one stop cleaner high ISO than the D3s and I would use that feature for indoor sports shooting but I don't even have a D3s! A lightly used D3s at half the price of a D4 is a better value for those who don't need the video features of the D4 or the extra pixels. One stop higher clean ISO for double the price? Not a good value for those who don't need the other features of the D4.
Also we don't yet have the D800 or the D400 for a performance/value ratio comparison. Likely, they will be a better value than the D4 unless you really will be using the additional features the D4 offers.
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Aside from the D4's technology I've read in more than one preliminary review that the camera's ergonomics are perfect - feels so good in the hands. That's the reason I bought the MB-D11 gip for my D7K - it just feels so "right" in the hands. I think the least I'll do when the camera is readily available is go give it a feel as I have never held a D3 or D3S yet.
Autofocus lag time is reported to be 0.042 seconds according to factory specs but I haven't read if that's on manual focus mode or other modes (auto, continuous) as well. That's pretty blazing fast.
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There are a few blogs releasing higher ISOs. The thing I am noticing the most is the color in the high iso - it is actually there and not washed out at all. From what I have seen 12,800 would easily be used for print/web and 51k matches iso 800 film in my eyes - especially in B&W.
If you haven't seen what the new metering does, you need to find the video descriptions on it - it has facial recognition not just for focus, but also it will automatically recognize there is a face, expose for that rather then the whole image. It is like an auto switching metering from matrix to spot. Gone are the days of a perfect background & a dark silhouette of a person that was suppose to be the subject of the photo.
Ahhh the word Value - everyone measures it differently based on how many of their wants and desires, their means will actually pay for.
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Rx4Photo said:I've read in more than one preliminary review that the camera's ergonomics are perfect - feels so good in the hands. - it just feels so "right" in the hands. I think the least I'll do when the camera is readily available is go give it a feel as I have never held a D3 or D3S yet.
The D3 series will be a very tough act to follow, it will be one of the things that I will be interested to compare when I get to play with one next month. If anyone has anything else they want me to look at (in the few minutes I'll have) that hasn't been covered in the numerous reviews that we can read, please let me know and I'll try and look for you.
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Can you help me get my head around this new battery issue. If I understand correctly the D4 takes a different type of battery to the D3 series because of new rules concerning safety and preventing inadvertent contact with the battery connections? Is that right? If so can you help me out here, I'm typing this with an old EN-EL4a in front of me, I can only just about see the contact points in between the plastic fins of the battery, let alone touch them, why is this design considered dangerous and how have they made the new D4 battery safer?
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@skintbritt - it's not about the pins it's all about the capacity of the new battery 2000mAh vs 2500mAh - new regulations in japan doesn't allow batteries over 2000mAh
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Rob Galbraith has an interesting article (interview with nikon) on how the new battery may outlast the EN-EL4a in actual shooting.
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adamz said:
@skintbritt - it's not about the pins it's all about the capacity of the new battery 2000mAh vs 2500mAh - new regulations in japan doesn't allow batteries over 2000mAhAhh, I see. It will be interesting to see if the article that JY mentions is correct, as the rumor that is last substantially less than the old battery would be a major drawback in my books. Hands on testing in the real world will show us soon enough. What bought about that new rule adamz? Is it something to do with terrorism?
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Sounds like the dreaded 'health and safety' to me...
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New Videos
The second video by Jo McNally was: "The video is a mix of D7000 and D4."
Cheers...
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Hey, anyone know when the first D4 bodies will ship out to those fortunate enough to have ordered them? And I noted early in this thread someone cooks with All-Clad... and I happen to love it, but the Calphalon Tri-Ply is as good and at TJ Maxx about 1/4 the price of the All-Clad. See, one can save enough to get a D4.
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Watch the Kelby video that Golf posted - NPS guys said February for NPS. It already has a back-order and they guess it will be over 6-months before they start to hit the shelves.
Hope you got your order in early!
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I guess the news about the firmware problem in the D4 is both good and not so good. At least I do not have one which is not working correctly. ha, ha, ha. And I can now quit counting the days and instead just count weeks until mid March. It would be worse to have had one in hand and then have to send it back.
Of course I had a fairly important shoot coming up in early March which was to be done with the D4, so I guess the art director will have to go along with my delay or I will do it on the small format.
If I keep chatting, I will eventually quit crying over my disappointment..... sniffle.
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The D4 user's manual is available for download (In Japanese only) at http://www.nikon-image.com/support/manual/d_slr/D4_(10)01.pdf
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good samples from a "production standard" D4 and good comparison tool on dpreview at:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/03/03/nikond4studiosamples
You can make a direct comparison at high ISO with the D3s and with Canon.
What do you all think? The comparison photos sure look great to me. I really want a D4, but just cannot afford it.
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For fun I put in (from Donald's link) the D4, D3s, D7000, Fuji X100 & even traded off and on the D3 as well all at 6400 jpeg. Interesting to see the differences or how little there is in well lit scenarios - look into the shadows and the D4 shines. All pixel peeping/splitting hairs.
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