Wow, that is kind of awful if they don't have a policy to replace a broken camera. Well, at least, it seems like they agree that something is wrong, and hopefully they can fix it.
Nikon D700 Blooming/Banding [Picture attached]
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Posted 1 year ago #
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Naah ,They haven't agreed to replace anything till now .he was just explaining me that they can change the sensor if required .Right now ,I've mailed them files ,where I saw lines to let them investigate .I'm leaving for Rann of Kutch[ will take my d90 as well] on 8th and will be back by 16th .If things doesn't go well there ,then I may well sell it off [those lines are visible under certain conditions ].I will wait for D800 and if its too pricey I will buy Canon 5D mark ii [I know it has problem at lower iso i.e 50,but it doesn't have this kind of problem like I'm having with D700] .. Say TATA to nikon after 6 years .
My recent experiences with Nikon customer service as a whole doesn't bring smile .
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abhinav - I know that You are upset but aren't You a little overreacting. It's Your choice of course but maybe try the canon before You buy it as it may behave worser in high iso tahn Your d90, not to mention d700.
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I agree with adamz. I know several 5D MkII users who switched due to banding in shadow areas at many ISO sensitivities (something common to all Canon DSLRs that I've tried from the T2i and up).
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Any way to find out if that D700 had ever been purchased and returned in the past? When was it manufactured and how long had it been sitting on the shelf? Not that sensors should have a limited shelf life like drugs but I'd be curious. Much like the stuck pixel episodes of the early D7K's it's a shame to let one bad apple put a sour taste in your mouth.
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Perhaps the low price you got for the D700 is suspect?
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I have a D700 and I have tried to recreate banding as shown. It is possible, both in jpg (more so) and in raw (less so). In order to get results as shown here, I have to underexpose by three to four stops at ISO6400 (That is, I treat a low-contrast cubicle wall as if I used ISO 50000 to 100000). I was not able to create banding at ISO1600. It was next to impossible to create appreciable banding at ISO3200. When dialing in HI2, areas with low contrast tend to exhibit banding when underexposing by about two stops, but if I am critical, I can see some banding when underexposing by one stop. (On top of the banding, there is also significant amount of random noise at HI2, but that is to be expected)
I think Abhinav's pictures had huge contrast in them (night sky versus street lights). I understand the frustration when one hits the limits of one's tools, but this is no reason to abandon the world's number two low-light camera (after the D3S). Much worse banding has been reported from the Canon top products, so we have to deal with the issues.
In this particular case, there was ample room to get a bit more light onto the sensor, with 1/100s not being the limit of what can be hand-held with a 50mm lens. An aperture of f/2.5 on a 50mm lens also should not be the limit.Based on my experience, Abhinav's camera is not defective, but has been operating at the outer limits (very few photons per pixel in the darkest sections).
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i will take some high contrast shots today if i have time. i have seen noise at high ISO, but it is always pretty linear. i have never seen banding like that on a photo I have taken, even in similar lighting situations.
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Abhinav: One more comment, if I may. Every CMOS sensor experiences "dark current": some electrons get liberated in the silicone matrix of the sensor by thermal effects, rather than by photons that hit the sensor through the lens. This problem is exacerbated by temperature. For this reason, military style detectors are often cooled, sometimes with liquid nitrogen, to eliminate all thermal effects. Could it be that your camera was very warm (the manual defines operating range as 0 to 40C), when you took these shots? That would explain a reduced signal/noise ratio in the darkest sections of your picture, which contributes to the effect you (and I) have managed to create.
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Recent Convert said:
Abhinav: One more comment, if I may. Every CMOS sensor experiences "dark current": some electrons get liberated in the silicone matrix of the sensor by thermal effects, rather than by photons that hit the sensor through the lens. This problem is exacerbated by temperature. For this reason, military style detectors are often cooled, sometimes with liquid nitrogen, to eliminate all thermal effects. Could it be that your camera was very warm (the manual defines operating range as 0 to 40C), when you took these shots? That would explain a reduced signal/noise ratio in the darkest sections of your picture, which contributes to the effect you (and I) have managed to create.When it took these shots temperature was around 10 Deg Celcius or something .
NSXType-R said:
Perhaps the low price you got for the D700 is suspect?Nope ,I told you earlier Nikon India didn't raised the prices of their products like US did after tsunami in Japan.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Blooming or banding issue even at low iso like 320 too :O
Camera Nikon D700
Exposure 0.6Focal Length 155 mm
Focal Length 155.4 mm-[nikon 70-300mm vr ]
ISO Speed 320
Filter :Nohttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7022/6769780999_69bc360a3b_b.jpg
so doing bracketing at night is almost useless when scene is too contrasty ... wow
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That image look great! I don't see any banding. Is there suppose to be?
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yes, there is horizontal banding coming off the light on the top of the arch (i had to adjust my viewing angle to see it).
send it in and get it fixed. your camera is faulty.
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Tiled my monitor as well - yeah that is a f'ed up sensor. Lines are to straight and continual across the entire frame for it to be jpg banding.
Posted 1 year ago # -
just went out and took these to show you.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/garethoneillphotography/sets/72157629052281771/
(right click original size, EXIF in there)
The D700 is a FANTASTIC camera, these photos are all hand held shot in basic JPG mode at ISO3200.
I see a bit of banding in the second pic, from the second light down on the right. also in the 5th pic where I shot directly into the light.
I had to go a long way out of my way to emulate your results, of course I would use 14bit RAW if these were going to be serious images.
go an get you camera fixed.
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