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Backing Up Your Photos

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  1. NSXType-R

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    How do you guys back up your photos?

    I'm asking because I have 2 external harddrives I back up to, both of which are USB harddrives- one is a 250 gig and the other one is 160 gig I think.

    Plus my laptop has a copy, probably until space runs out on it. Issue is, I want to see my photos too, which is why I put one copy on my laptop too. It would be really annoying to have to pop in an external hard drive to take a look at photos.

    Just wondering if this is adequate or safe enough.

    Of course, feel free to comment, and definitely suggest better ways, because I'm out of ideas.

    I was thinking about getting a NAS drive, but I'm not exactly sure how to set it up.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. NikoDoby

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    I've got several TB external hard drives. I also back up all of those files onto hardcopies like DVD, DLDVD, etc. (I've got a wall full) Lately I've gotten into uploading images for online storage but it's a pain with full resolution shots. Not to mention my faith was shattered because of what happen with Digital Railroad :0(
    http://www.nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2008/10/digitalrailroad.html

    I have had numerous hard drive failures throughout the years. I've really lost trust in all manufactures and types of hard drives. It's a matter of WHEN not IF your hard drive fails. NO warning just poof, gone. I use to be lazy about backups but I sure did learn the hard way :0( Nothing is really ever 100%

    I'm looking into getting a personal server just to keep offline and hooked up to my internal network.
    My brother wanted to split the cost of getting a heavy duty server and letting me dump files remotely but I don't know. I worry about it getting hacked or having too many users access it and goofing something up.

    I've heard good things about this one:
    http://www.amazon.com/HP-EX485-MediaSmart-Home-Server/dp/B001OI2ZG4

    I use to think keeping track of all my prints and negatives was a hassle, but this is the one part of going digital I hate! Not to mention the headaches HD video brings too!

    I'm sure adamz can give us more feedback on hard drives and server backups.

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  3. alphanikonrex

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    I use Aperture, so I use the vault feature to back up. I have one 500GB drive connected via USB and a 1TB drive connected via FireWire. I have a vault on each of those drives.

    I backup whenever Aperture tells me something's not backed up, whether it's an adjustment or a batch of images.

    I also plan on backing up jpg's of my best images on dvd, as jpg's have more chance of surviving time than RAW files. Haven't gotten around to it yet though.

    I'm currently in a bit of a pickle though. My photo library grew from nothing to 70GB in just over two months, and my computer only has just over 4GB of space left. Since I'm averaging over 30GB of photographs a month, I may have to move my library to my 1TB drive (still working on a better plan). This will probably screw up my backup plan.

    The only thing I can suggest to improve your backup plan is to sign up on one of those online backup websites. That way if something happens to all your onsite backups at once there will still be an online copy.

    Edit: I agree, NikoDoby, we've gone through quite a few drive failures as well, can't trust any hard drive. Too many moving parts. Solid state drives look promising, but they're small and expensive. The best backups are the ones done automatically, like shooting on film. The film is your backup if you're working on the scans. Stuff the slides in one of those fireproof vaults and your set ;-). Same with camcorders that use DV tapes. Import to your computer, and keep the tapes as a backup.

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  4. seba316

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    Guys, remember to keep a copy at a different location. Hardware failure is one of the problems, but what happens if there is a fire? Or someone breaks in? You'll probably end up losing both the original files in the computer and the backup.

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  5. NikoDoby

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    Good advice alphanikonrex and seba316. Theft and fire are big concerns for me. Equipment is insured but unprotected files can never be replaced! I keep having recurring nightmares that I leave my camera bag behind somewhere and when I go back it's gone! My wife thinks it's cute, but I don't find it funny!

    Fire is my bigger worry. My wife loves candles!!!! We're always getting into arguments over HER candles. It never fails when we're out and about, she suddenly remembers that MAYBE she forgot to turn off a candle :( KNOCK ON WOOD nothing has ever happen, but GOSH woman!

    Off site storage is another big problem. I usually keep backups with family but with so many files it becomes a big hassle swapping hard drives and disks back and forth. Not to mention family keeps getting annoyed! You know it's like walking into a store only to use the bathroom and then walking right out kinda of a thing :^)

    Wow, this topic is really stressing me out! Thanks a lot NSXType-R! I think a need a chill pill now :)

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  6. adamz

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    I have my photos stored on an external HDD, which I upgrade once it's full - usually every half a year. As for having problems with HDD's, I never had any problems with them during my entire life, and I've also used many different brands.
    One more thing, I store only this pictures that are good, all the rest I delete - and I think alphanikonrex You are storing all the photos You take, change this habit ASAP, or You will have to invest a lot of money in HDD's.

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  7. NSXType-R

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    Wow, nice to hear other guys have these problems too.

    Sorry NikonDoby, I had to address it sooner or later! I have about 40 gigs worth of photos (not all from my D40).

    On a side note, my D40 just went past 10,000 exposures. Is that something to worry about? How long is the shutter rated for?

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  8. bmxdad

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    I use External HDD and also think this is the least liked part of Digital photography. I thought about mounting them inside a fireproof safe. At work we have lots of people bringing in their crashed HDD, computers etc and they had no backup. People just think a crash will not happen and have to learn the hard way, actually I did too a few years ago

    Your D40 should survive close to 80,000 exposures

    Pete

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  9. RobertD

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    NSXType-R:
    Ken Rockwell says "that as of May, 2008 he has over 20,000 on his D40 and it still runs and works like new."
    http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d40.htm
    This guy shoots a lot of stuff.

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  10. mb

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    Unfortunately everything breaks, and in computer industry hard drives break most frequently.
    If your pictures are valuable for you I could recommend WD passport external drives with mirror option.
    They come with all current interfaces (USB, Firewire, eSATA) and use 2 standard SATA drives up to 2TB in a redundant configuration so they are very safe.

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  11. warprints

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    I am a bit paranoid about hard drives - I run the computers at my office (about 18 clients and a server) and hard drives do crash (complete failures) and experience file corruptions. Photos at work are stored on a three drive RAID 5 server AND on daily backup tapes that are stored in a fire safe. Photos at home are on my computer, and are backed up on a RAID 1 (mirroring) NAS and on a hot swap removable drive. I turn off and disconnect the NAS after backups so that electrical surges, etc., can't fry it. All my computer stuff are powered by UPS surge protectors. I also don't automatically remove image files from my cameras until I am satisfied that they are on the computer and backed up. Did I say I was paranoid? I have had a complete server failure, and thank god I had tape backups.

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  12. NikoDoby

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    mb I've had Western Digital, Seagates, Toshibas, Iomega, LaCie, Maxtors etc. etc. all die on me throughout the years. I've come to trust NO BRAND! I've also lost files to random corruption!!!

    Warprints I know where your coming from. At a former workplace we had stringent backup procedures. Every night everything would get sent to magnetic tapes. Those tapes would then get sent to another physical location within the company. The problem would be that it became such a mundane procedure that coworkers wouldn't take it seriously or they'd forget to backup or even worst the tapes themselves would get misplaced!

    I lost my project files that way. I had to go search through a physical archive (stacks and stacks of poorly labeled CDs) for the original files that were several years old to start my project over again from scratch!!!! Poor little Niko alone in a hot warehouse digging through CD albums in filing cabinets :(

    Boy do I have some bad memories of file storage disasters!!!! Again, thanks a lot for starting this thread NSXType-R! :^(

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  13. NSXType-R

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    Thanks BMXDad and RobertD for assuring me that I have a couple more years life in my D40. :D

    When do you guys usually send in your DSLRs for general service?

    And NikonDoby, sorry for bringing up so much grief. :D

    I should get a NAS too. However, for some odd reason we've gotten 5 or so power outages for 2-3 seconds that probably killed my PS3. Thank god that it's still under warranty. I'm hoping it won't kill the NAS too.

    I have a partial backup of all my earlier photos on DVDs, but I stopped doing that when it got unmanageable, i.e. too much data to save!!!

    And for you guys who use magnetic tapes, how much space does storing all of that require? And they still make them for you paranoid guys? I thought it was used during the heyday of computers, before harddrives and such.

    You learn something new everyday.

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  14. Willis

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    Honestly, I fre about this stuff as well. I back up my photos to an e ternal drive and keep a second set on SD cards. It's not exactly cost effective, but a 16 gb card only costs about $30 these days. That's a lot more than I shoot in a month on my d40. It's also solid state. The trick is knowi g when you last backed up. The only downside is I only have the raw files. Not any edits I might have made. That's mostly just a workflow thing though.

    The other tip I would give is to delete your junk shots. I only ever look at about 10% of my shots.

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  15. Gentoo

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    I have of my finished photos (the ones I really don't want to lose) in online locations. I have 4 HD's in my computer. 2 of them are for backup purposes and one is still currently empty. I have over a TB of HD space. I have more than photos to back up. What I really want is a Drobo:

    http://www.drobo.com/products/drobo.php

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  16. NikoDoby

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    Gentoo I've heard bad things about Drobos. Glitch prone software with sudden mulitple harddrive "freakouts".

    Doesn't Buffalo make a NAS(Network Attached Storage) that is actually an enclosed fire proof safe?

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  17. adamz

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    Gentoo - You can also think about this one: LINK as lacie produces really good and reliable products

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  18. warprints

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    Oh yes, they still make tape back-ups. They're not cheap, but for critical backup work, they're pretty much the way to go.

    NSX - I really suggest you get a UPS (uninterruptable power supply)surge protecter for your hardware. They're not terribly expensive, and they may well save your equipment and data if the power goes all kaflitter on you.

    Check out http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/blogcategory/50/75/ for a wealth of info on NAS (Network attached storage) devices.

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  19. ash

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    the best and safest way to b/up is to save to dvd, i know its a bore but not as boring as having to pay to retrieve files from a bust drive (which happens aLL the time)

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  20. NikoDoby

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    But don't forget ash that DVD don't last forever. Most DVD/CDs have a life expectancy of only about 3-5 years. You'll start to get "read errors" and "corrupted" files after that. But I do use them to back up files I'm currently working on or to store photos that I've just taken and want to backup between backups (if that makes sense)

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  21. adamz

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    " backup between backups" - hmm... and do You backup Your backed backups?

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  22. NikoDoby

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    Ha read my other postings above adamz and you'll know why 8^@ I do infact backup my backed up backups

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  23. adamz

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    :)

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  24. NSXType-R

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    Thanks for the tips guys.

    And again, I'm glad I'm not the only photographer worrying about this stuff. :D

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  25. Technologic

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    @NikoDoby
    Yes the first Gen of Drobo's had some problems.. Though I can say that about anything out there. Try me. I will find a recall or a major problem that happened with any product you can recommend. Here at work we had 4 Lacie products fail in one year. We have 2 Drobos without any issues.

    The Drobo's advantages are just to good to not like. It's not a standard Raid like a lot of people think it is. Its more like a Dynamic Raid that changes depending on the drive configuration.
    If you lose a drive you can stick in any hard drive (newegg special) and while its rebuilding you still have access to your data. Try that with a normal raid. Cost wise when you want more space you just add a bigger drive. For normal users that would be a pain in the ass for just about any other normal raid setup.

    BTW I am Gentoo's infamous Room Mate. :)

    Posted 3 years ago #

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