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(Nikon V1 and J1- Mirrorless Camera Discussion)

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  1. bjrichus

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    R8R said:
    Speaking of price....has anyone looked at the accessories for the 1 series?

    Nikon store has the grip for the V1 for $119.95... (part GR-N1000)

    IT DOESN'T TAKE A BATTERY...

    $120 for a grip. Seriously.

    They're smoking crack.

    Products like this (bits of plastic molding or leather sewn into odd shapes) have always been expensive from Nikon.

    I am sure there will be a brisk after market for these kind of things, especially for those of us who live in the Asia/Pac countries and want the bright bubble-gum colors.

    By the way, the OEM Sony NEX spare battery is $119 too (at least according to the Sony web site), which kind of sounds like making the most of a hot market to me :-)

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  2. bjrichus

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    Whoops... Double post.

    Still no "delete your own post" option?

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  3. jonnyapple

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    That battery is $50 at amazon, bjrichus. Maybe they want you to be scared then relieved when you find out it's not selling at the MSRP?

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  4. bjrichus

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    jonnyapple said:
    That battery is $50 at amazon, bjrichus. Maybe they want you to be scared then relieved when you find out it's not selling at the MSRP?

    R8R was using the MSRP from the web site... so was I.

    As you say, aftermarket and reseller prices will nearly always be lower than MSRP and some may even have better quality too...

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  5. Super Shooter

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    My girl bought a J1 and I must admit I really like it. The auto focus is very snappy and spot on. The auto focus on a friend's NEX5 was so sluggish compared to her J1. The NEX missed focus and hunted around a lot while the J1 was spot on every time with the same subject! The only time the J1 missed focus was during macro close-up shots. It never had trouble snapping into focus up close, it just sometimes focused on the wrong spot.

    The electronic shutter is lighting fast. There is no shutter lag. The J1 is so quite that I often mistakenly shot 3 or 5 photos thinking I'd only taken one. You can mute the shutter and AF lock sounds and have a completely silent camera which is really great. The NEX shutter sounds too much like a chipmunk sneezing. After shooting with the J1 I had a hard time going back to my loud and bulky DSLR.

    Even my similarly sized Sony Cyber-shot point & shoot handles like crap now after using the J1. The J1 menu is very clean and easy to use. I don't really like the cheapish feel of the smooth plastic body design but it's not as bad as I thought it would be to hold.

    Video is good but the built-in microphone picks up a lot of camera body noise like the neck strap moving around or your fingers changing grip. I didn't like the placement of the video recording button. I kept confusing it with the shutter but I got use to it after a while.

    The pop-up flash feels a bit cheap and it sticks so far out that I'm afraid it's going to get caught up on something and break off. The flash design seems very vulnerable to me and is also pretty weak.

    Image quality is very good. It's not DSLR good but it's much better than a point & shoot. I didn't pixel peep the shots too much but I liked what I saw. The use of a smaller sensor wasn't an issue against the NEX. A few high ISO shots did seem a bit too much like watercolors but not as bad as some Sony cameras I've tried.

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  6. JY

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    Good review Super Shooter. I have been thinking to get one myself, so far only the price keep holding me back. Hope to see the price drop further in the near future.

    Thanks & Regards
    JY

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  7. studio460

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    At first, I was dead-set against considering any ILC with anything less than an APS-C sized sensor. But, I recently tried out a Nikon J1, and found that I really liked it. It's wicked-fast. It fits in my pocket. It's beautiful. I'm probably getting one. But, still, the new APS-C Samsung NX200 is awfully tempting . . .

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  8. NSXType-R

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    I've been looking at some ISO 1600 shots from the J1/V1, they're about as clean if not cleaner than my D40 is at 1600.

    Yes, I know it's ancient stuff, the D40, but it goes to show how much work they've put into this tiny tiny sensor.

    I still hate the fact that its depth of field is massive though.

    That's what I hated about my first point and shoot, I couldn't get any subject isolation (except in macro).

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  9. studio460

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    NSXType-R said:
    I still hate the fact that its depth of field is massive though.

    Yeah, that's been a stumbling block for me as well. I still may get the Samsung instead. But, I really love the form factor of the Nikon 1 series, and I also really like its Motion Snapshot feature, and other cool video features. Plus, this thing is fast!

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  10. CaryTheLabelGuy

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    I have a V1, 10mm f/2.8 pancake, 10-30mm and 10-100mm power zoom I'm my hands right now. I'm actually very suprised at the IQ of this thing. It rivals low-end DSLRs. I'm actually very amazed and it's super fast! Everything it does is fast. The EVF is really good, too. I honestly can't believe how impressed I am.

    I will be doing a full review as well as comparing it with the Olympus Pen EP-3 w/17mm pancake. Stay tuned.

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  11. JY

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    @CaryTheLabelGuy, can't wait for your review.

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  12. NSXType-R

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    Digital Rev has a hands on.

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    I'm not a big fan of video, so I'm not into the video features of the V1.

    Seems like a nice little camera, I still can't get around the price and the lack of isolation. And the still relatively large lenses, especially the 10-100 superzoom.

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  13. bmxdad

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    Seems like a nice little camera, I still can't get around the price and the lack of isolation. And the still relatively large lenses, especially the 10-100 superzoom.

    Yes Nikon should have a smaller standard zoom to really make it pocket size, just picture a smaller version of this new Panasonic lens

    Panasonic 14-42 compact zoom

    Pete

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  14. jerl

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    Hmmm, seems like the Nikon mirrorlesses are better than what one would have suspected. The autofocus is starting to look pretty good and the high iso performance could be said to rival m4/3 cameras (at first glance anyway). This is good news because it means that Sony/Sony/Panasonic/Olympus are really going to have to pick up the pace.

    Personally, I'm less opposed to getting one than when it was first announced. Still, though I have my reservations- the lenses are still a little on the slow side, and the camera, with lens attached is still too big- the lens sticks out too much for me to be able to stick it in my pocket, and if I have to carry a bag or case, I might as well bring one of my larger cameras. Of course, these can be resolved with a bigger lens lineup with very compact fast primes, but we shall have to see.

    Some local stores say that demo models should be coming in soon, so I will have to look at one for myself.

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  15. bernard

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    I read that the V1 has two different shutter types: Electronic and mechanical. Can anyone explain how this works ?… Thanks !

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  16. NSXType-R

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    bernard said:
    I read that the V1 has two different shutter types: Electronic and mechanical. Can anyone explain how this works ?… Thanks !

    The mechanical shutter is a regular old fashioned shutter.

    The electronic one is a shutter based on the sensor I believe. If you "gather" data for only 1/4000 of a second, that would be you shutter.

    Haha, the V1/J1 aren't new technology, I have an electric shutter in my D40 too!

    It's just not silent- the mirror needs to move regardless.

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  17. bernard

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    Thanks NSXType-R, I understand what they are but I can't see how the camera - or the user - selects one or the other ?…

    Electronic shutters are a pain for people who photograph propeller driven airplanes. When I took a picture of one the first time with my phone, the propeller blades were so distorted that I could have thrown my phone away. In fact that's what I only use it for since then: To telephone :)

    Also, to video propeller driven airplanes, the shutter speed must be 1/30s or less in order to get a nice disc and not a propeller that appears to be static or slowly runs backward. Can the V1 do that ?

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    I guess what I dont get is the market. The market is to have a camera that you have with you at all times. So for a guy thats his pocket, and for a woman, her purse. (Im not being sexist, just talking about marketting).

    So it has to be small. This also means that while it can take many lenses, the market for these cameras should be one lense that fits the majority of what a hobbyist would need. (to replace Point and Shoots).

    But it seems to me that their zoom is too big for their market. And all the add-ons? Why would anyone really want the add ons? Doesnt that go against the whole reason for wanting this camera.

    Dont get me wrong, im interested in this technology. Im just not sure I understand its target audience yet.

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  19. NSXType-R

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    In that case wouldn't a decent camera phone do the trick?

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  20. jonnyapple

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    Mirtos, I agree with your questions. Watching me use my NEX-5 convinced three of my siblings to switch from Nikon DSLRs to the NEX system because, for what they do with their photos and videos they don't need an external flash (ISO 1600 is usable and the 5N has pushed that to 3200) or external mic (the built-in stereo mics are quite good out of the wind). it's not a pocketable system, but that's a sacrifice that was worth it to them considering the loss in bulk (now it's a camera and a spare battery instead of all the trappings of an SLR). One year on and I've heard nothing but praise from the people who switched.

    I still fear Nikon isn't going to be competitive on image quality with a sensor this small. If they had gone with DX (or FX!) in their mirrorless design I think it would have been better for them. If they had done e-mount to team with Sony to compete with m4/3 I'd be in heaven right now saving up some pennies for Nikon glass for my NEX-5N, whose real weakness now is a lack of good lens options (though Sony's new 50 1.8 is probably joining my crew this christmas).

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  21. jonnyapple

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    NSXType-R said:
    The mechanical shutter is a regular old fashioned shutter.

    The electronic one is a shutter based on the sensor I believe. If you "gather" data for only 1/4000 of a second, that would be you shutter.

    Haha, the V1/J1 aren't new technology, I have an electric shutter in my D40 too!

    It's just not silent- the mirror needs to move regardless.

    Just be careful to know the difference between electronic shuttering (no mechanical shutter) and an electronically controlled shutter (mechanical shutter).

    Sorry I don't know the answer to your question, bernard.

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    jonnyapple said:
    Just be careful to know the difference between electronic shuttering (no mechanical shutter) and an electronically controlled shutter (mechanical shutter).

    Sorry I don't know the answer to your question, bernard.

    From what I heard in a photo shop, the mechanical shutter is located within the lens (Like in the good ol'days :)
    I guess the electronic part of it comes from the brains in the camera ?

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  23. NSXType-R

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    jonnyapple said:
    Just be careful to know the difference between electronic shuttering (no mechanical shutter) and an electronically controlled shutter (mechanical shutter).

    Sorry I don't know the answer to your question, bernard.

    That was just a guess on my part, but I think it's mostly right.

    I thought you were an engineer? :D

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  24. jonnyapple

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    I'm a physicist, but even engineers don't know everything. ;-)

    Here's what I'm talking about:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal-plane_shutter#The_electronically_controlled_focal-plane_shutter

    This is what is found on DSLRs today, although that's not to say that there haven't been electronically shuttered cameras. I think you're right that the D40 is a weird beast in that respect. I never quite understood what was going on with it, but I think it is electronically shuttered at some shutter speeds. It's a CCD and I understand this is much harder to do on CMOS sensors like the Nikon 1 cameras have.

    The mechanical shutters these days are found by the sensor (they're called focal plane shutters). Shutters in lenses exist, but not on any of the Nikons we're talking about. Now the aperture blades are in the lens if that's what you're referring to, bernard.

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  25. bernard

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    jonnyapple said:
    The mechanical shutters these days are found by the sensor (they're called focal plane shutters). Shutters in lenses exist, but not on any of the Nikons we're talking about. Now the aperture blades are in the lens if that's what you're referring to, bernard.

    The guy I talked to checked one of the V1 he's selling and he stated that there is a mechanical shutter inside each lens… It's quite probable but I shall ask Nikon, just to make sure :)

    I just found something interesting in D Preview there:

    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1058&message=39695937

    I'm still puzzled about the results if I used a V1 for taking pictures of aircraft with a rotating propellers, since I need a sharp airplane and a blurred propeller.

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