So, who else will be tempted by a pocket sized camera, that in addition to a small pancake lens, would take any of your existing lenses
(Nikon V1 and J1- Mirrorless Camera Discussion)
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Posted 1 year ago #
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Only if the IQ was up to D7000 standards...
EDIT: I'd prefer it to be FF quality, but, meah... What faint hope have we? It'll be D3000 quality (or less).
EDIT #2: That's be one hell of a pocket to take a 300mm lens.... ;-)
EDIT #3: Is that a 400mm zoom in your pocket, or are you just pleased to see me? LOL!!!!!
(sorry, that was the pun that just had to be said)....
Truth be told, are we in danger of ending up with a lens that takes pictures?
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Has no interest to me what so ever. If I want to travel light I'll buy a compact, if perfect image quality is important I'll bring my heavy kit. Don't see any point in something in-between! (O.K. I've stuck my chin out, who wants to be first?)
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If its a P7000 with interchangeable lenses I'll buy it.
The IQ of the P7000 is pretty awesome for such a small sensor and being a Coolpix.
Also would love to mount the Nikon Mirrorless to my D7000 and shoot video while I shoot stills. Something I was considering picking up a go pro for, but would rather stick with Nikon.
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Not interested will not buy it,
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It's funny because u could pickup some 50 year old rangefinder for less money and get better images.
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don't know where the "take any of your lenses" came from, that is not pratical.
like 500mm, 800mm and 1000mm mirror lenses, weight would be a factor in putting a small light body on dx and fx lenses, the opossite to those lenses but a factor all the same.
as to a small mirrorless system, there is a place for that as discussed under evil.
however, the tiny sensor, now that is debatable.
very small high quality camera due to smaller sensor, makes the pot sweeter and the buyer stepping up from a point and shoot should be tempted buy into that system.
as to the dedicated DSLR user going for it,.......let the fur fly
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Such a small sensor with a high quality F mount adaptor would be interesting- I could attach it to my bellows or extension tubes which would make high magnification macro a lot easier. Other than that, I don't see much use, since Nikon is only releasing slow daylight midrange zooms.
Give me an ultra-wide zoom, or some very fast compact primes, and I might reconsider. I might be curious to see how well it works with longer lenses like my 135 DC, or even the 70-300VR (at shorter focal lengths obviously), but I don't expect outstanding results from anything.
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SkintBrit said:
Has no interest to me what so ever. If I want to travel light I'll buy a compact, if perfect image quality is important I'll bring my heavy kit. Don't see any point in something in-between! (O.K. I've stuck my chin out, who wants to be first?)+1 Another Nikon fail in the digi lineup for any serious amateurs or pros wanting good quality. High crop factor, small sensor = less bokeh, and less quality at high ISOs which is the crutch of every crop sensor. Adding a large lens to a tiny body just doesn't work.
The only way this could be a home-run is if it is styled like a Range Finder and it's lenses looked like the old RF lenses.
I've said it before, they are pandering to the consumer level buyer to make more $$$. Face it, there are more general consumers than pros and serious amateurs and this is where Nikon really makes it's money. Digi line-up has never catered to the serious amateurs or pros desires or needs and we should never believe it will. The P7000 will be as good as it gets if you want a Nikon - otherwise go to another brand.
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>>with a high quality F mount adaptor would be interesting- <<
That would shurely be nice and usefull, but seeing the pictures of the mount ( if ther's any real of them..) it does not look like an F-mount, and with such a small sensor / camera, i woul expect the mount and lenses to be a lot smaller too .....
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With a 2x crop factor and a F mount adaptor, it'll turn your 50mm lens into a 100mm.
I wouldn't want to put anything larger than a 50mm prime on it. A 24, 35, or 85mm 1.4 lens would be crazy.
I'm not sure why anyone would do that, but I guess we could stay optimistic?
At least Nikon is ahead of Canon in this, but that may not be a good thing either.
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Well isn't that why some of you love DX so much because of the crop. with this new family of cameras you will have a crop that's almost 3X!
Posted 1 year ago # -
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I'm very happy with my P7000 and its excellent lens.
Just waiting for the D400… SIgh… :)
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Not interested, I cannot hold those feather weight cameras still to get an acceptable shot. I'll take the brick thanks.
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Here are the unofficially official specs of Nikon's first mirrorless compact camera system. Let the "haten" begin :-(
"Update: I missed that one – the camera will have both phase and contrast AF detection
10.1MP
ISO range: 100-3200 (with H1-6400)
CCD sensor (not sure about that) – the whole mirrorless line will be called CX, similar to DX and FX
Both cameras will have 2.7x crop factor
3 in. LCD screen
The J1 model will have a built-in flash
The V1 will not have a built-in flash but it will have a multi-accessory port which will support external flash and a GPS device
There will be no traditional flash hot shoe on both models
There will be a F-mount adapter
Both cameras will probably be made of plastic
Full HD movie with many additional features
EXPEED 3 processor with 600 megapixels per second processing power
The four mirrorless lenses are (most with choice of colors, except the 10-100mm):
10mm f/2.8 pancake lens
10-30mm f/3.5-5.6 VR lens (very short and portable)
10-100mm f/4.5-5.6 VR
30-110mm VR
Some of the above specs could be wrong or lost in the translation."I changed the title of this thread from "X810" which was the supposed codename for the V1.
Do these specs change anyone's mind?
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That actually doesn't look too bad.
I just saw a Lumix LX5 vs. GF3 comparison- the GF3 with the 16mm pancake was pretty darn small. It looked barely bigger than the LX5 and in fact it was smaller in some directions.
With a 10mp sensor, it looks promising.
I doubt the price would be friendly though. Anything over $500 sounds reasonable for this, since the P710 sells at around that price.
Especially if the kit lens could collapse or if it's an electronic zoom like Panasonic's, it could be very small indeed.
With the right styling, like the Nikon rangefinders, it might be a winner.
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NikoDoby said:
Here are the unofficially official specs of Nikon's first mirrorless compact camera system. Let the "haten" begin :-(All IMO ...
The hate is because the on paper specs do not match up with many peoples expectations...
and then Nikon do not appear to match what most of the competition are doing...
and then the physics and track record of the downward sizing of the sensor means the IQ is more than anything else, likely to be lower than that of DX...
and then the price is going way upward - REALLY? - above what the competition seem to offer for what appears to be better specs (Ok. It's not out yet, so none of us really know)... Sample shots and comparative reviews are needed. Not 19 shades of body paint.
and then these kinds of products are not what most of the current Nikon dSLR users who are here on this forum need/want or appear to currently use.
While we as Nikon owners/user all *WANT* Nikon to succeed, it really does look to many (most?) who read this forum that products like this don't convince that this is going to help Nikon.
We all need to remember that a biggest percentage and certainly the bulk (if we look at the reported numbers quoted on here), of profit of Nikon cameras come from compacts and low end dSLR products, not pro-end devices.
Do those of us who do this for even a part (let alone all) of our income feel like the proverbial "red headed step child"?
Do we all feel that the gaps between product refreshes is too short/long? Do we forget that digital product life cycles are much shorter than for film products? I just finished a roll of film in my old FTn - so it's got to be 30+ years since I got it new and its still working well ... How many years will people keep a compact camera these days? Perhaps 2 and then 'upgrade'? What about brand loyalty? Where will Nikon be in 10 years?
Ok, I know... Way out of our league to answer, but this delay is only making things worse for those of us with a history and (dare I say it) care?
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Am I the only one that is on the edge of his seat to find out how they do the phase detected AF? If someone has any insight please share. That could be groundbreaking as the first mirrorless to do so (or have I missed anything?).
Other than that, I'm not impressed by the specs. Or the rumored price.
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jonnyapple said:
phase detected AF?Isn't that what Panasonic and Oly use?
The specs look a bit better than I anticipated and with a 10mp sensor they may be able to keep the noise down. I think it could be a decent system for some people. Mounting Nikkors to this I think is useless since the focal range for almost everything would be 100mm or higher- Mounting a 105vr would be a 284mm 2.8 that would weigh 7x more than the camera. I just don't see it very useful.
It doesn't fit into my shooting style (lenses way too slow) so I don't have an interest at all. Like I said, I think it could be good for some people.
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Just saw an interesting preview of the Pentax Q (similar sensor size), and it's ISO performance is very close to M4/3s. Maybe Nikon isn't as off it's rocker as we think?
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One area where Nikon seems like they're being prudent is having a pretty long list of potential lenses to release, if you can believe all the patent applications. M4/3 is way ahead of the other mounts on lens options, and Sony doesn't treat this like a priority. I know how you feel about Sony, PB PM. ;-)
Thanks for the tip, TTJ. I'll have to go look for info on that.
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