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should i wait? (d7000/d7100)

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  • Started 1 year ago by JC_Biggs
  • Latest reply from monty11
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  1. JC_Biggs

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    im looking to get into photography, and im going to be buying a dslr. i am not pressed to buy one right away. i have done alot of reading reviews and what not, and i think the d7000 fits what i want to do the most. (action and astrophotography shots) BUT, it doesnt have hdr or a articulating screen. so would it perhaps be in my best interest just to wait until the upgrade of the d7000?

    that is what brings me to this site. is there any rumors of what the d7100 specs will be? i read somewhere that the processing software in the 7000 was actually quite old and that perhaps that would be upgraded as well? thanks for any comments.

    JC

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  2. PB PM

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    If Nikon maintains their upgrade cycle there wont be a D7000 replacement till next summer. Far to early for any rumors.

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  3. JC_Biggs

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    perfrectly fine waiting till then. im just going off of the current features offered on the 7000, and looking at what is on the 5100. i dont think they would put out a replacement 7000 that didnt have at a minuminum the same features as the 5100. guess we will see.

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  4. heartyfisher

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    ??
    The D7000, though older than the D5100, is the better camera.. What are the features that you think the D5100 has that is is not in the D7000? I dont think the D7100 will have an articulating screen. The non articulating screen is a "feature" that is on the D7000 making it that little bit more robust with one less thing that can break/fail.

    If the D7XXX class of cameras is what you are thinking of getting, then I would say do not wait. You can make a lot of memories in one year!

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  5. JC_Biggs

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    i would disagree... i feel that a articulating screen is much more valuable than a non... i like to get weird angle shots and can see the need for it. every once has different preferences i suppose. the only thing i really want the 7000 doesnt have is in camera hdr. i know the best way is to do it with PP, but 1) i dont know how yet and i can get better shots NOW until i do learn and 2) sometimes that quick picture for a friend that you print out at the local walmart doesnt really require you sitting in front of a computer screen. so having it in camera (imo) is a benefit.

    i dont want the 5100 because it doesnt have the af drive, if it wasnt for that i would scoop that one up pronto. and i still might just until a 7100 comes out.

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  6. TaoTeJared

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    Honestly trying to predict what a D7100 is foolish at this point.

    If the New D400 has an articulating screen then the 7100 will have one for sure. If not, well we are just as we are now. There was a debate on here a while back that you may want to read. I would say people are 50/50 split on putting articulating screens on the better cameras as they are more prone to break and the better cameras are more prone to be used harder.

    In camera HDR really is nothing more than expand Active D-Lighting and doesn't compare at all to Photoshop.

    There are some add on mirrors that may help in the meantime.

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  7. Super Shooter

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    JC sounds like you would be better off getting a point & shoot Sony camera instead of the mystical *D7100*.

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  8. Rx4Photo

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    JC_Biggs said:
    im looking to get into photography, and im going to be buying a dslr.

    JC

    I wasn't going to post on this discussion but can't help but to wonder .... If you're so interested in "getting into photography" why are you willing to wait 1+ years before you actually buy a camera that nobody knows the specs of yet? Also, if HDR is something you're really interested in why not learn it the "old school" way with exposure bracketing and processing (i.e. paying dues)? You might actually discover that you derive more self satisfaction from making those HDR shots yourself than a machine just pumping it out at the press of a button. Best of luck.

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  9. JC_Biggs

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    1st off, not that its any of your business, but im willing to wait a year because i dont make that much money and i only want to buy something 1 time and i want the best... is that a good enough reason for you? what is wrong with patience? 2nd off, i came here ASKING ABOUT THE SPECs.. is it unreasonable to beleive that a newer replacement model will have more features? O never said i wanted to go pro, i said i wanted to get into it...which means learning. there was once a time i didnt know jack about drag racing either but i bet neither of you would want to line up next to me... thanks for the sarcasm sorry i assumed i could get good advice from a bunch of people who sit around on a forum dedicated to what "might be coming"

    PB PM, TaoTeJared,heartyfisher thanks for the grown up responses.

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  10. Super Shooter

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    I was giving you genuine advice based on the features you said were important to you. Sony offers variable LCDs and in-camera HDR modes in their cameras. The Sony A-series is a good example. But you say my response was childish whereas yours wasn't? Eh, whatevs dude. Go back to street racing your PoS Neon and please, please take those VTEC and BMW stickers off of it because you aren't fooling anyone, lol.

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  11. donaldejose

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    Well, JC Biggs. There are two problems.

    First, the question you ask is just too far into the future to predict. A D400 and a D4 are coming out at the end of August and we still don't know what "improvements" they will have. There is much debate and speculation on what may or may not be in that camera. Thus, your question really cannot be answered at this time.

    Second, Nikon has camera "families" aimed at different users. It is not quite right to expect each camera "up the ladder" in price to contain more features. Sometimes the more expensive "pro" cameras are just built tougher with better basic features such as image quality, stronger autofocus motor and a longer lasting shutter. In other words the "pro" cameras don't necessarily have more "fancy" or "trick" or "fluff" features such as an articulating LCD screen because the highest priority for a professional camera is accuracy and robustness. Now the D3100 and D5100 are in the "consumer" family. The D7000 is in the pro-sumer family (as was the D90). The D400, D3, D3s, D3x and D700 are in the "pro" family. Each family emphasizes different features since they are built to appeal to and sell to people with different needs. So you cannot just expect a D7000 or D7100 to have everything a D5100 has and more.

    As to your plan to buy only once. That is a good philosophy but in the world of digital cameras it seems every two or four years enough technology changes to make a two or four year old digital camera obsolete.

    So perhaps you should wait until he end of August to see what the D400 has (which will cost about $2,000.00) or what the D4 has (which will cost about $5,000.00) and then pick from existing Nikons rather than wait for a D7100 which well may not have an articulating screen anyway (especially if the D4 and D400 don't adopt such a screen because it will be easily broken off in the real world of professional use).

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  12. Rx4Photo

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    JC, my comments and questions weren't meant to incite such emotion. Many of these discussions become more meaningful by questions being asked "of" the topic starter than just questions being asked "by" the topic starter.

    Secondly, I guess I'm of the thought that learning something first hand could be more rewarding than letting technology do it for you. In the end you tend to know more about the subject. Super Shooter's suggestion that you take a look at the Sony A-series is a good one. Not trying to lead you away from Nikon but those cameras do look promising. Also, if you don't yet have the funds I do understand... and you're right, it wasn't my business. You brought it up.

    Thirdly, I've gotta agree with Super Shooter...the "meet me out on the drag strip" comment...priceless!

    Best of luck.

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  13. Correlli

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    Just a thought: if I understand correctly you are new to (DSLR) photography. Why not get a used, inexpensive DSLR and start learning. This way you can find out what features you really use or which ones you miss. Once the D7100 comes out you can sell the old one (or keep it as a spare body). But by then you really know which features are a must have and which are nice to have.

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  14. heartyfisher

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    JC_Biggs said:
    PB PM, TaoTeJared,heartyfisher thanks for the grown up responses.

    ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY WE ARE BORING !!

    lol .. seriously though this is relatively a very Tame forum.. if you intend to post on forums you need to be a bit less sensitive and enjoy the experience and don't take things so seriously.. Written adhoc comments tend to be misunderstood eg the comment on the sony A series. just ask for clarification and not assume that it an insult! else you are a NOOB !! :-)

    ok back on topic. in camera HDR is nice and all but its only one feature out of a hundred.. maybe 200 .. consider your needs and compromise either on the HDR/articulating screen or the inbuilt motor. I think for your needs the D5100 may be the better option as all the new lenses doesn't need the in-body motor. However if you want to get older cheaper lenses that need the in-body motor then compromising on the inbuilt hdr and articulating screen that most pros don't need or want may be the option you want.

    GL HF posting ! remember to ROTFL once in a while!

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  15. monty11

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    You can't even start to compare in-camera HDR to what can be done in post processing. The first is just a bunch of algorythms used to put something together automatically while the second uses your own input and gives you the result that YOU want (provided that you have properly done shots). If you really are serious about photography, you will grow out of this function soon enough. All of those in camera gimmicks are just meant to lure in consumers to the low end cameras. The higher in the camera ladder you climb the less gimmicks you get and the more seious the bodies get.

    I also suggest you get a D5100 as your first camera. You will be using it as a machine gun in the beginning and wearing out the shutter and the rest of the camera isn't that unlikely. I think that you'd rahter wear out a low end camera than a more expensive one.

    Also when you get a lower priced camera, you have more money to spend on proper lenses. The low end lenses are all good an nice, but soon you will be pining for a faster lens.

    Also I don't get this patience thing. If you are really interested in getting into photography then it's not patience but delaying it. Also you can never keep up with the new cameras coming out, well you can if you have money growing on trees in the back yard, which you don't seem to have. There will always be a new model with better specs right around the corner and this way you can never buy one ... think what you would be missing out when the next camera comes out in a year, year and a half, etc.

    Get a D5100 and a Tamron 17-50 2.8 (the older version without optical stabilisation), enroll in photography courses and start shooting. Rent some longer lenses (e.g a Tamron 70-200 2.8) or a macro lens (e.g Tamron 90 2.8) and see how they suite you. I'd consider this delay a waste of time, as you can learn a lot during that time but you can't learn that without a camera.

    Also if you are just getting into DSLR photography, then if you jump in at the deep end it will be a lot harder to learn as the better the camera body is, the more complicated it is to use it.

    Before lashing out at people who are trying to help, you should consider that there might be a bit more to photography than just the specs.

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    Ive just read someone say the D400 is in the Pro Camera range, when will this be released??

    Any Ideas?

    Regards

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  17. donaldejose

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    The D400 is expected to be released at the end of August. It is expected to be the most "pro" of the DX sensor models. Some even are expecting it to have a 24 megapixel sensor. It should be a step (or two) above the D7000 and could be quite a camera. Some people are even suggesting it will be the most sought after camera this year. While the D4, also to be released at the end of August, certainly will have more features than the D400 (plus having a "full size" FX sensor) that D4 will cost more than twice as much as the D400. Hence, the D400 may be more desirable and obtainable for more people.

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  18. casperwb

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    $20.00 it is not out at the end of August

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    JC_Biggs said:
    1st off, not that its any of your business, but im willing to wait a year because i dont make that much money and i only want to buy something 1 time and i want the best... is that a good enough reason for you? what is wrong with patience? 2nd off, i came here ASKING ABOUT THE SPECs.. is it unreasonable to beleive that a newer replacement model will have more features? O never said i wanted to go pro, i said i wanted to get into it...which means learning. there was once a time i didnt know jack about drag racing either but i bet neither of you would want to line up next to me... thanks for the sarcasm sorry i assumed i could get good advice from a bunch of people who sit around on a forum dedicated to what "might be coming"

    PB PM, TaoTeJared,heartyfisher thanks for the grown up responses.

    Woa woah! JC JC JC, now I know you're new to the forum, so we need to cut you some slack, but that was uncalled for! Their replies were perfectly reasonable and meant to help you, and not be condescending, (as is this). They might not be the answers you were expecting, but contrary to your very unnecessary statement, when you post a question on the forum, it becomes everybodies business, because without delving deeper into your needs and wants, we don't have all the information to give you the correct answer. Sometimes even then we won't :-) Welcome to the forum, please don't think that some of us are out to make fun of you, in my experience everyone here is only trying to offer the best advise they can, and are a realy great bunch of people, sniff sniff, they are like family, tear runs down my eye :-). Seriously don't take any comments personally, and if you think something was meant offensively, better to check than get upset, or the first time Niko closes you down (and he will) you'll be in the local hospital with heart failure! Look forward to seeing you around the forum, for what it's worth I agree with all the members who have advised you not to wait. Your motives are sound, but if you wait for your perfect camera, you may be missing a lot of time shooting.

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    JC_Biggs said:
    1st off, not that its any of your business, but im willing to wait a year because i dont make that much money and i only want to buy something 1 time and i want the best... is that a good enough reason for you? what is wrong with patience? 2nd off, i came here ASKING ABOUT THE SPECs.. is it unreasonable to beleive that a newer replacement model will have more features? O never said i wanted to go pro, i said i wanted to get into it...which means learning. there was once a time i didnt know jack about drag racing either but i bet neither of you would want to line up next to me... thanks for the sarcasm sorry i assumed i could get good advice from a bunch of people who sit around on a forum dedicated to what "might be coming"

    PB PM, TaoTeJared,heartyfisher thanks for the grown up responses.

    Whoa. Unless you've got a 620 All Wheel Horsepower Evo VIII(I do), you should be careful throwing around statements that A) Have zero to do with the topic(this is a Nikon forum) and B) Nobody gives a damn(especially not here).

    Now that we have that out of the way - Buy a D7000 and be done with it. You siad you wanted the best right? Well, in the world of APS-C sensor cameras, the D7K is the top of the hill..... period. The D400 may or may not be released in August and we have no idea what it's specs are going to be, much less a D7100.

    By the way, in camera HDR is crap and nothing more than a gimick. Real HDR requires actual time amd effort. Shooting a multiple exposure bracket of shots(2 or more) and doing the rest in post. It's not that difficult really, just takes time to learn. The D7K can bracket 3 shots and really for most things, that's all you need. If you shoot raw(I do) you can extract more exposure brackets in post if you need more that 3 exposures.

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  21. tcole1983

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    Wow...D7100 wanting already? The D7000 just came out. Some will never be happy huh?

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  22. monty11

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    According to this hint (http://nikonrumors.com/2011/07/11/german-store-sent-invites-to-see-new-products-on-september-15th-2011.aspx/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NikonRumors+%28NikonRumors.com%29) we can expect something mid September. No idea if it cancels out the possible August release or not.

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  23. poster

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    I think it's very foolish for you to wait for the Nikon D7100. I think you should wait until the D7200 comes out.

    /sarcasm off

    Some of you need to lay off the herbs you must be smoking. the d7000 just came out and you already are asking whether you should buy the d7100. get a grip people.

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  24. casperwb

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    poster said:
    I think it's very foolish for you to wait for the Nikon D7100. I think you should wait until the D7200 comes out.

    /sarcasm off

    Some of you need to lay off the herbs you must be smoking. the d7000 just came out and you already are asking whether you should buy the d7100. get a grip people.

    well said poster

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    casperwb said:
    well said poster

    Well said casperwb!

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