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I have lightroom 3 with the 3.6 update. I check for update and it was up to date. I recetly got a d600 and took a few shot and now my LR3 cannot recognize the NEF file.
What do I do?
I'm curently downloading the 4.3 patch but I believe that the 4.3 patch is for LR4 not LR3.
the 4 in 4.3 is LR4. As LR4 is so cheap (thanks Aperture) and so much better than LR3, why not pay the £60 for the upgrade. You will not regret it.
I'm happy with my LR3. It not like don't want to spend the money to get the LR4 is because I do not find the need for it except that it open the D600 nef files.
Is there a way to make the d600 nef file work on the LR3?
KenRC51 said:
I'm happy with my LR3. It not like don't want to spend the money to get the LR4 is because I do not find the need for it except that it open the D600 nef files.Is there a way to make the d600 nef file work on the LR3?
No. 4.3 is mainly adding new models and a few bug fixes.
BTW: I have been using LR since LR2 and the improvement over LR3 that LR4 gives is worth every penny of the upgrade. If you haven't used LR4, you would not know.
You will need the latest version of Adobe Camera Raw (7.3) to open D600 NEF files in Lightroom or Photoshop. Version 7.2 had preliminary support for the D600 but for full support 7.3 from 12th December 2012 is required.
To get the 7.3 version of Camera Raw you will need to own Lightroom 4 or Photoshop 6. As I don't use LR I have no idea if LR3 would accept Camera Raw 7 at all (even if you got it from somewhere).
So if you want to use D600 raw files in LR there is no way around upgrading to LR4 for you.
Correlli is correct and that's just Adobe's money grab--no good. I was exceptionally comfy using LR3 and I can't stand LR4's filing system. Since I shoot D800, I'm stuck with LR4 too.
shawnino said:
I can't stand LR4's filing system.
I have use LR3 and now use LR4 I was completely unaware of any differences in the filing system
shawnino said:
just Adobe's money grab
considering the cost of "upgrading" to a D800, £60 for a software upgrade, does not seem to be a "money grab" to me , especially when you consider all the very big improvement to the shadow and highlight sliders
shawnino said:
, I'm stuck with LR4 too.
Not at all. There are alternatives, some of which are free . but IMHO non nearly as good as LR4
@Shawnino: I'm with seven on this plus I note you haven't mentioned any of the benefits of LR4 over LR3. Curious.
Can you expand on your bias?
7xing, s-n-p:
Maybe I'm not skilled enough to take full advantage of the LR4 enhancements. Maybe I need to fix my settings in LR4.2 and all will be well. I'm not computer savvy. But what I would say is this:
1) I had LR3 purring like a McLaren sports car. I spent the time to learn it. Bought Kelby's book (good) and Brampton's “missing FAQ” book (less useful for me) and went through them carefully.
2) Had to upgrade to LR4 when the D800E arrived. My filing system is shot. The keywords I loaded for pictures I used in LR3 don't bring up the images the way they always did in LR3. I know the photos are “there” (so it's not a pointer issue on my hard drive) because I can find the photos I'm looking for by date, but not by keyword. “Birthday” brings up nothing, but when I go by date and choose a friend's birthday, everything's there.
3) LR3 could always “find” my colorspace external hard drive when I plugged it into the back of my Mac. LR4 finds it 40-50% of the time (I just keep unplugging and replugging it in on the Import screen...gets there eventually, occasionally on the first go).
4) LR4 occasionally spontaneously quits. LR3 never did once.
As to the upgrade costing “only 60 quid” and that being rather less than the cost of a D800 so that makes it OK, I guess we must agree to disagree on philosophy. LR3 was released on June 8, 2010. LR4 was released March 5, 2012, after which LR3 stopped being updated. I paid $200 for LR3 (on sale), and when I pay that kind of money for software, I don't expect planned obsolescence in less than two years. Can you imagine Nikon saying "We're changing our technology so all our future cameras will not shoot the 50mm f/1.8D. 1.8G only. 1.8G costs much less than the cost of a body, so, no whinging"???
I'm going to keep using LR because I invested time in learning it, but I'm not pleased with the situation.
shawnino said:
7xing, s-n-p:Maybe I'm not skilled enough to take full advantage of the LR4 enhancements. Maybe I need to fix my settings in LR4.2 and all will be well. I'm not computer savvy. But what I would say is this:
1) I had LR3 purring like a McLaren sports car. I spent the time to learn it. Bought Kelby's book (good) and Brampton's “missing FAQ” book (less useful for me) and went through them carefully.
2) Had to upgrade to LR4 when the D800E arrived. My filing system is shot. The keywords I loaded for pictures I used in LR3 don't bring up the images the way they always did in LR3. I know the photos are “there” (so it's not a pointer issue on my hard drive) because I can find the photos I'm looking for by date, but not by keyword. “Birthday” brings up nothing, but when I go by date and choose a friend's birthday, everything's there.
So that the photos that I tagged in LR3 will not work? So basically I would have to find them an retag them?
That is so dumb!!!!
3) LR3 could always “find” my colorspace external hard drive when I plugged it into the back of my Mac. LR4 finds it 40-50% of the time (I just keep unplugging and replugging it in on the Import screen...gets there eventually, occasionally on the first go).
4) LR4 occasionally spontaneously quits. LR3 never did once.
Does it still quite on you? Are others experiencing the same problem?
As to the upgrade costing “only 60 quid” and that being rather less than the cost of a D800 so that makes it OK, I guess we must agree to disagree on philosophy. LR3 was released on June 8, 2010. LR4 was released March 5, 2012, after which LR3 stopped being updated. I paid $200 for LR3 (on sale), and when I pay that kind of money for software, I don't expect planned obsolescence in less than two years. Can you imagine Nikon saying "We're changing our technology so all our future cameras will not shoot the 50mm f/1.8D. 1.8G only. 1.8G costs much less than the cost of a body, so, no whinging"???
I'm going to keep using LR because I invested time in learning it, but I'm not pleased with the situation.
I'm on the same page as you. When I paid for my LR3 I didn't expect to have to upgrade in order for me to use any new gears that are coming out. I understand that I would be able to use the new features but at least make it compatible.
Because I have to upgrade to LR4 does that mean I need to upgrade my CS5 to CS6 to use with my D600 NEF files?
An alternative to LR 4 would be using Adobe's free DNG converter. It does add an extra step to the workflow though, having to create DNGs before importing them into Lightroom. But at least you would get the functionality of using "raw" (DNG) files with newer camera bodies.
@Shawnino: I agree that upgrading LR3 to LR4 was a pain, but I took it as my fault because I didn't do the research to know about how to upgrade without losing my develop history.
Another view is that if I upgraded to a D800 I would have zero problems because I already have LR4.3.
Do you not find the tools more intuitive and better developed in their effects?
LOL. To borrow your analogy, you bought a McLaren (D800E) and you think the gas (LR4) is too expensive. :-)
On a serious note, #3&4 sound like an OS problem. What are you running?
This isn't really planned obsolescence. It is hard (read expensive) to maintain multiple major versions of software compatability with an ever growing list of hardware. You have to draw the line somewhere...
If you already had LR4, 4.1, 4.2 & 4.3 would be free.
spraynpray said:
If you already had LR4, 4.1, 4.2 & 4.3 would be free.
If the Queen had a penis and testicles, well, she'd be King.
You write previously: "I agree that upgrading LR3 to LR4 was a pain, but I took it as my fault because I didn't do the research to know about how to upgrade without losing my develop history." Well, it shouldn't be a pain. If Adobe's going to charge us more money every couple of years, then they need to make the process seamless, or at least build functionality into the procedure so we have the ability to carry over our LR3 stuff as-was.
Ironheart's point about it being an OS issue are Adobe's claims as well. I'm on OS X 10.8.2 and I have 16 gigs of RAM (which is a ton). I had Apple phone support help me tear down and reinstall the OS. Hasn't demonstrably helped.
I'm in the minority here so I'll stop ranting and raving. What I will close with is this: in developing software, Adobe has rights (for instance, to charge what it sees fit when it sees fit) and two key responsibilities if it wants LR to be a success:
--Design the software for togs with a broad range of creative abilities
--Design the software for togs with a broad range of computer skills
In my case, I clearly fall at the computer skills hurdle. While I'm not entirely comfortable typing on these here newfangled Google-Machines, I do hold a postgraduate degree in Mathematics so I'm not exactly a member of the Great Technologically Unwashed. I guess it's my bad luck that in my number system, 3.6 > 4.3.
Ok, so I got the LR4 with the 4.3 and LR4 still will not let me upload my NEF files. Here is a screen shot.
Not sure about the update mechanism of LR, but with Photoshop updating Photoshop and Camera Raw (CR) are two separate things. So you might have updated LR but not CR. Please go to the Adobe website, find, download and install CR 7.3 and try importing the nef files again.
Hope this helps.
shawnino said:
4) LR4 occasionally spontaneously quits. LR3 never did once.
agree L4 seems more prone to the occasional freeze, then L3 but I suspect this may due to the D800 large files, rather than L4
That said simple closing an opening the program, quickly fixes it
as corelli says I suspect you need to install CR 7.3 independently of PS
If you subscribe to Kelby Training, Matt K has an excellent vidio on L4's new features
Thanks for the nod to the video--going to go and look for it. The Kelby book on LR3 was very well done.
Correlli said:
Not sure about the update mechanism of LR, but with Photoshop updating Photoshop and Camera Raw (CR) are two separate things. So you might have updated LR but not CR. Please go to the Adobe website, find, download and install CR 7.3 and try importing the nef files again.Hope this helps.
Ok, when I go to the adobe website it says that I need to download the CR 7.3 through the CS6 but I don't have CS6. I only have CS5. So I opened up my PS CS5 and click update there was not any CR 7.3 file to update.
What I did download from Adobe was the DNG converter 7.3 but it didn't work.
CR 7.3
windows
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5519
Mac
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5518
Can you launch an updater from within LR4? That should show all updates for that software including CR. I have PS CS 3 and 6 installed on my Mac and the Updater from Adobe that came with CS3 does not show any CS6 updates. So make sure you launch the right updater.
Btw, I am only guessing that CR7.3 is missing from the symptoms that you showed us. I don't use LR nor Windows.
@sevencrossing: your links point to the DNG Converter, not CR...
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