So what was the 18-105mm kit pic about? At $899 with the 18-55mm, it's almost a T3i spec clone. Nikon has its HDR feature, the new night mode, and autofocus for video, while the T3i has more video modes and 18 megapixels. Of course, they still will handle slightly differently, but you can probably learn to work with either one. All in all, pretty much a draw unless Nikon's autofocus when shooting video is shockingly good, which is a lot to ask.
D5100 Announcment
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US price for the D5100 = FAIL.
Unless you already have Nikon DX lenses and want to keep them, it looks like the T3i is a better buy... it's certainly a lot cheaper.
Unless the Nikon is a LOT better...
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I agree with bj, especially if it's $999 for the 18-55mm kit -- unless Nikon shows off some spectacular improvements in its video autofocusing. But we may as well wait till tomorrow before making any more comments.
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Preview's up at DPReview.
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Engadget has some hands-On videos, full specs and the Press Release from London.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/05/nikon-d5100-and-me-1-external-mic-coming-april-21st-we-go-hands/Posted 2 years ago # -
You guys are all cheapskates. ;) That is less than the D5000 when released. Prices are dropping.
D5000
• Body only: £ 719.99 = $1,022
• 18-55mm VR kit: £ 799.99 = $1,135How short our memories are. :)
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Is it just me or do you get a pentaPRISM with the d5100 in Australia?
(so THATS what they mean when they say grey imports are inferior:P)"Viewfinder Eye-level pentaprism; built-in diopter adjustment (-1.7 to +0.7m-1)
Viewfinder Frame Coverage/Magnification (with 50mm lens at infinity; -1.0 m-1) Approx. 95%/ Approx. 0.78x"http://www.nikon.com.au/productitem.php?pid=1423-f4320ceaf9&display=technicalspecifications
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TaoTeJared said:
Not sure what you meant. All Nikons have pentaprisms.Actually, all entry level(eg d3X00, d5000) Nikons use penta-mirrors instead of penta-prisms, according to the Nikon US site
http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Products/Product/Digital-SLR-Cameras/25478/D5100.html#tab-ProductDetail.ProductTabs.TechSpecs
the d5100 will be using a "Eye-level pentamirror single-lens reflex viewfinder" while the Au site reckons it'll have a penta-prismPosted 2 years ago # -
Ahh - sorry I haven't looked at consumer cams in a while.
Now it is clear what you were asking. :)
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bjrichus said:
US price for the D5100 = FAIL.Unless you already have Nikon DX lenses and want to keep them, it looks like the T3i is a better buy... it's certainly a lot cheaper.
Unless the Nikon is a LOT better...
Why? It it clear they did away with the D90 now. One of the reviews I read even stated that. Makes sense to me really...the D5000 and D90 were close together. The only problem with the T3i is it is Canon...
Price wise it it where you would expect it...between the D3100 and D7000. Not really a ripoff IMO, but where you would expect it. Just like the D5000 to the D90 about $200 less. It is all about a shift and since the D5100 is replacing the D90 the price is where the D90 was compared to before.
Looking at the DPReview the sample shots looked "soft"...or at least their scene comparo between the other comparable bodies. Also if I remember correctly even the new Canon bodies still lagged behind the D90 and others when the new Canon's had higher MPs, and we have all learned it isn't just about how many megapixels the camera has...or at least I thought we had.
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aslightdelay said:
The question I'll put to everybody, then, is how much of a real-world difference is there between the two systems? How are they different, and how would I notice the difference, if at all?How many older Nikon cameras (with Matrix metering) have you used? Matrix metering itself works fine (ignoring the D80) with far less than 2048 points.
What is so cool about the ton of metering points in the D7000 is the improvements it offers the AF system. A higher resolution meter allows the camera to perform better subject recognition and better subject recognition allows better 3D subject tracking.
I sincerely doubt you'll notice a dime's worth of metering difference outside some corner cases they have learned to address over time.
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One thing I noticed about the D5100- the red stripe on the grip is more of a "red swoop", like a Nike sign. Not exactly the same stripe that's been on the Nikon lineup since I dunno when. I know the stripe hasn't stayed the same, but it had been relatively constant for the digital bodies.
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tcole1983 said:
Why? It it clear they did away with the D90 now. One of the reviews I read even stated that. Makes sense to me really...the D5000 and D90 were close together. The only problem with the T3i is it is Canon...The RUMORED price was higher than it is turning out. Now it is on par with Canon, so that's not a fail... is it a win?
Well, I still think if they were less, it would be a win, now they are about the same. Meh...
tcole1983 said:
Looking at the DPReview the sample shots looked "soft"...or at least their scene comparo between the other comparable bodies. Also if I remember correctly even the new Canon bodies still lagged behind the D90 and others when the new Canon's had higher MPs, and we have all learned it isn't just about how many megapixels the camera has...or at least I thought we had.Did I read in the DPReview, page that the D5100 has the D7000 sensor? I've not had my second cup of coffee this morning yet, so I'm not all there yet - LOL!
I agree about the 'softness' - that the T3i and the D5100 are actually very close, makes it a little hard to be a certain as I was about the D7000 being a great camera... Hmmm...
Still want a good review.... Even DxO ... HAHAHAHAHA!
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NSXType-R said:
One thing I noticed about the D5100- the red stripe on the grip is more of a "red swoop", like a Nike sign. Not exactly the same stripe that's been on the Nikon lineup since I dunno when. I know the stripe hasn't stayed the same, but it had been relatively constant for the digital bodies.Right...
I *think* it just reflects the changed profile of that side of the body.
Just so long as Nikon don't put "Just do it" on the front (or even some other marketing junk like the word "Rebel") then we'll be ok. LOL!!!!!!
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I am curious to see if anyone has been waiting to buy a D5100. It makes me a little jealous, but since I don't shoot video with mine, not all that much. I would only really gain some MP in that case and a few new tech items. But I have learned and my next body I will definitely opt for one with the built in AF motor...if the D5100 had that it would really have kind of set it apart IMO.
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I still haven't decided if I should by the D5100 or the D7000.
I think I would prefere the D5100 due to the swivel LCD.
My biggest dissapointment is though the lack of 720p60. I think 30fps per frames is way to low for tracking fast-moving objects in a video on a big 50inch tv. It looks like the objects are blinking around the screen, compared to the smooth video 60fps does give.
Since "all" people that buys this cam is likely to "always" show it on equipment that is 60fps capable, the omission of this is just sad.Posted 2 years ago # -
You keep using those quotation marks. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.
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tcole, I've been waiting for the D5100 and researching video integration because my primary passion is travel photography (see http://www.yellowstonecaz.com) and I'm interested in being able to switch between stills and video as the situation dictates. While I understand why Nikon did what it did, it's basically a disappointing announcement in the sense that the D5100 comes out of the gate slightly behind Canon and well behind the best in the mirrorless world. I wasn't expecting anything else, but I had to at least wait.
The bottom line is that if someone really needs video, Canon is a better choice for controlled video shot with manual focus, while the Panasonic GH2 at $999 is far better for those who need the autofocus capability. It's not that the D5100 will be a bad camera. It'll likely be very competent and will fit well in Nikon's product line. Unless Nikon has made a major breakthrough in its ability to autofocus though, which isn't likely, it just doesn't distinguish itself.
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Testing123 said:
How many older Nikon cameras (with Matrix metering) have you used? Matrix metering itself works fine (ignoring the D80) with far less than 2048 points.What is so cool about the ton of metering points in the D7000 is the improvements it offers the AF system. A higher resolution meter allows the camera to perform better subject recognition and better subject recognition allows better 3D subject tracking.
I sincerely doubt you'll notice a dime's worth of metering difference outside some corner cases they have learned to address over time.
Thanks for the reply, Testing. I've only shot briefly with a (borrowed) D60. The only other SLR I've used was an older, all-manual Minolta... Useful information, though, and I appreciate the explanation.
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aslightdelay said:
Thanks for the reply, Testing. I've only shot briefly with a (borrowed) D60. The only other SLR I've used was an older, all-manual Minolta... Useful information, though, and I appreciate the explanation.Just to be clear:
I didn't mean to say "how many older Nikon cameras..." in an insulting manner like "You must be this tall to ride", but rather as an honest question. ;)I've used many Nikon cameras since the introduction of the Matrix meter and have noticed very very little behavioral difference in the metering between them. I can't speak for Canon (perhaps its the same) but I find this a real strength. One can discuss the merits of properly metering a difficult scene until they're blue in the face, but the fact Nikon cameras predictably meter a scene (pretty much) regardless of body is one of those things which makes sticking to the Nikon system so easy IMHO.
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I think the omission of 60fps has made Nikon loose out on serious customers. Yes people will say buy a dedicated camcorder, blah blah etc. But the truth of the matter is if 60fps matters to you for slow motion then why buy this camera at all?
And now that I think about it - if 60fps is not going to be given in a firmware update, then how long will us non-professionals have to wait until the d5200 or d5500, or d8000 is brought out with this? I think Nikon made a huge mistake by not including this, thats the bottom line from a DSLR video user. I don't want to buy a t3i but, Nikon, your pushing me away.
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Well I think it has been established for a while that Canon is the video king in the war, but how I see it is. Nikon = better pictures regardless of how many MP everyone advertises and video is somewhat of an after thought. Canon = can't win at taking pictures so they have worked on perfecting the video to at least win those people over.
It is a shame Nikon doesn't make it more usable for those that want it...there has to been someone out there telling them what they were missing with current video.
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Agreed, but I am deeply annoyed they didnt include it. For me and millions of others thst was the deal-breaker, shame Nikon never saw it that way. Going to try out a t3i and see what I think, doubt I will prefer it, but video's video and this is the revolution..
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All I can say about the video is that the samples on the nikonusa web site (as we are not to post external links, go to the product page and under the sub-heading "Full HD 1080p D-Movie with Sound", there is a link called "View D-Movie Samples") are not too shabby at all.
Ok, so they had 'actors' and a crew of 36 to set it all up, but the results are not bad, or am I as a "still" photographer, not looking for the right things?
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