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Finally what i've been waiting for.
Sony has at last put their backlit sensor tech in a phone. The new xperia phones all have the new "exmor R" sensor.
It's no D3s, but im pretty excited about having some decent low-light capability in my next phone!
check out the video:
http://phandroid.com/2011/02/16/seeing-in-the-dark-sony-ericsson-showcases-their-exmor-r-camera-sensor-for-mobile/
That seals it. I'm never going to buy a compact camera ever again. at this point why bother?
It's no iPhone :P. My iPhone does what I want it to do. I'm hooked no matter what sensor is in a smart phone. I'm keeping my ip4 and will use my dslr for my serious low light photography :)
Given Apple's emphasis on Image quality, i would imagine that the Iphone5 will retake the crown, but based on the spec sheet and the performance of exmor in other devices i think this takes the lead...for 3-4 months at least ;)
Of course I would love to go to a dark bar with my D7000 and a 35 1.8 But that's not always an option is it?
So given how crappy the "flashes" are on these things i'm looking forward to this phone more than most.
Let's NOT turn this into an Apple thread. There are several other "cellphones are over taking cameras" discussions. However, I'm leaving this one open as long as you guys keep the discussion on the Exmor sensor in a mobile phone and what that means for Nikon's cameras.
camera phones are for snap shots, and posting to facebook and such.
do a internet search for the upcomming Nikon camera with phone capabilities.
phones for taking pictures,,,,,,,,,blah
Maybe it's just me, but this doesn't seem that amazing. Maybe it's enough to bring cellphone cameras to the level of compact cameras from a few years ago, but that's still a long way from what I'd call decent low light performance. I guess we'll have wait to see pictures before we can judge.
Imagine, on a "serious" Nikon forum, discussing camera phones, and Nikon does not make phones.
really really interesting to Nikon owners and users.
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Yes I am interested in this topic as well. I will likely be getting a smart phone this summer and I really enjoy the fact that they offer decent cameras which can be useful for emergencies when you just don't happen to have your camera on you. Low light ability creating cleaner images is simply amazing in a camera phone!
casperwb said:
Imagine, on a "serious" Nikon forum, discussing camera phones, and Nikon does not make phones.really really interesting to Nikon owners and users.
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You're only half-right, in that they don't make phones. This user, at least, finds it interesting, especially given Nikon's recent partnership with a phone manufacturer (the specific one escapes me at the moment, but it was on the main blog some months back).
This points up a few possibilities: Nikon providing either the "guts" or the processor (or perhaps optics, such as there are) to the phone manufacturer, or the phone manufacturer providing some kind of WiFi stuff to Nikon.
Gelu, to your original point: The sensor will no doubt help, but there are still too many issues with these, I think, to make them all that useful for serious photography. For instance:
*Dark lenses
*Crappy optics
*Digital zoom
*Minimal image processing
I can't see a phone manufacturer seriously addressing most of this stuff, because to do it right, you'd have to graft a $200+ phone onto a $200-300+ camera. Theoretically doable, but I think a lot of people would balk at the cost... all the more so because anyone who's going to buy a higher-end phone generally is the type to upgrade relatively frequently, and that gets into some serious money. I think your causal shooter isn't going to spring for that kind of cash, and your more serious shooter is going to look at that as money that's better spent on lenses, bodies, and the like.
aslightdelay said:
Gelu, to your original point: The sensor will no doubt help, but there are still too many issues with these, I think, to make them all that useful for serious photography. For instance:
*Dark lenses
*Crappy optics
*Digital zoom
*Minimal image processing
Actually, the lens is a f/2.4 , and i am currently assuming that given the aperture the quality of the glass is decent as well.
I don't see what you mean about digital zoom, while you can do it, no phone/company i've ever seen pretends that its any good. I don't see how that's an issue
And image processing is what is getting me really pumped up. I know you mean the on sensor circuitry, but i'm excited by the masses of awesome apps that i can get. One i love turns my phone into a lensbaby, and there are a huge number of high quality filters and photo manipulation apps available.
I think you should go to flickr and check out the iphone 4 pictures that are being taken, as well as other phones. There are some seriously amazing pictures that can and have been captured. The biggest thing is that a phone is something you always have with you, unlike a DSLR, so you're more likely to capture those random moments.
As for phones not being good enough for serious photographers.... behold:
http://morristsai.com/2008/05/iphone-photography-in-the-hand.html
And we all know that no "serious" photographer would ever document a war with a mobile phone right? Because mobile phones take horrible low-res pictures that could never be published.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/2010/03/24/captured-guttenfelders-iphone-photos/
I can't wait for the "Should I Buy A D400 Or Smartphone" thread to come up!
Given that I have my P&S with me pretty much all the time, I never really bought a phone for its photo quality, and I've been disappointed with the photos my phones have gotten in all but the best light. Checking out the links posted above, though... I stand corrected. Might be time to look into an iPhone. :)
No it's not just with the 5mp iphone. There are other phones with 8mp and 12mp sensors on the market now.
It's the photographer, not the smartphone :^P
NikoDoby said:
No it's not just with the 5mp iphone. There are other phones with 8mp and 12mp sensors on the market now.It's the photographer, not the smartphone :^P
Niko I stand corrected.
aslightdelay: I agree with you, a small nikon point and shoot or one from the big C will be so much better than a camera phone anyday, and look at how small they are getting. Nikon canon panasonic casio etc, you can slip them in you pocket and take pictures that are really usable.
I walk around with a Stylus tough, and i cannot see myself replacing it with a phone. I used to carry a TX1, but that has now gone to my wife and I carry the DSLR for planned occasions/shoots.
I use a blackberry and I still think that the photos you take with camera phones is geared towards people who share their pictures via the web/computer.
With point and shoots becomming so small, and of shuch high quality, [now I am really going to get stoned for this comment] leave the camera phones to the teenagers who spend most of their life on the phone texting, buy a Casio or S3000 or one of the new waterproof phones for those of you who like outdoors and slip it in your pocket.
you will be ready for whatever comes your way with "quality" photos.
p.s I just installed a large umbrella over my computer, so fire away guys......smile
Well, thats up to the market to decide.
You are correct that good P&S cameras are no competition for phones, but the fact is that the IQ from most smartphones is equivalent to a $100 camera, if not a $200 camera.
Your use of the tough proves where future trends are going. People who buy a dedicated camera will do so for a specific reason. Either exceptional IQ for high cost(LX3, P7000, G12, S95, etc), Super-zoom/travel cameras, "tough" cameras, waterproof cameras etc. These all serve specific purposes. BUT the $150 all-round basic camera will go extinct.
Or i'll use Thom hogan's favorite graph to illustrate the point:
Also i would add high end compacts such as the LX3, P7000, G12, S95, etc to the "mirrorless" category
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