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D400 vs D800

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  1. aetas

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    I did a search and got nothing so im interested and want some ideas from my fellow nikon rumor readers. I see alot of people saying how they just cant wait for nikon to get off their @$$ and get out a d400 or d800. That they already have the money and they just want the camera to buy.

    Now here is my question. Wouldn't the d400 be a crop and d800 be a ff most likely. It kind of seems like two different markets. Are these people just complaining for the sake of it or is there a reason for someone to want both these cameras to come out now.

    I realize "some" people might want to upgrade both at the same time, both formats have advantages but not as many people would do this as I see complaints. So what do you all think?
    ~Cheers

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  2. elvishefer

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    I think that if I was about to buy a DX camera, I would be clamoring for the D400. Given lottery freedom, I'd upgrade my D300s too, just for kicks, provided the D400 is a stronger product.

    If I was looking to buy FX (I am), I'd be clamoring for the D800 (I am) - because why buy a D700 for reasons other than price if new, better tech is available?

    I think the DX crop factor, provided there's hardware to back it up that provides close to FX results in the new generation cameras, will appeal to consumers in the grey area between serious amateur and pro shooters. So it's not an altogether different market.

    Another way of looking at it is the D300 and D700 have been out for a while now, 'decades' in 'electronics years', and knowing an upgrade is due will have the tech head early adopters drooling no matter what.

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  3. aetas

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    I might not have wrote that right. I guess what I mean was some people are saying they want either one to come out so they can buy it. I would think there are not that many people with the kind of money you need for new bodies to not have a certain body crop/ff that they are waiting for. Sorry about the confusion I have been editing for hours. Its bedtime I think.
    ~Me

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  4. JY

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    I was one of those waiting for a d800. But looking at the released of d7000, (taken so long to get into the market since announcement) i decided to get a used d700 while waiting. I end up getting a brand new one for $100 more grey import. Can't be happier. Now I can shoot ff and if the d800 do come out I will determine at the time as I have no clue how expensive it will be.

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  5. heartyfisher

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    @ aetas : are you sure its the same persons wanting either the D400 OR the D800. like you say they are in different markets but I am sure there are people who will want and can afford either or both of them. I would be one of them (but my finances had taken a big hit with GFC) so I would have classed myself as well to do tech-head who enjoys snaps! :-) and could have afforded both! :-) I can also see that a pro could be interested in both FX and FX formats if their target market has uses for both formats. eg small news papers? specialising in wildlife?

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  6. casperwb

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    the question is: will a new more expensive D8xx or D4xx take better pictures than a 700 or 300?

    Better off spending your money on glass, however if you have a D2 or D90, then..........an upgrade will be worth it.

    the usuall suspects of ISO and Pixels [mega] are going to be used as marketing tools, so, can you do anything extra with a D8xx that you cant do with a D700.

    However I am sure you can add new dimensions to you photography with a 70-200, 300 with a TC, 12-24, 105 micro 18 1.4G etc.........that's where my money would go

    Unless I won the lottery, then............ sigh

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  7. aetas

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    I have the d700. I broke down and stopped waiting. My shoots needed a better low light camera and I got what I needed.
    @ heartyfisher ya I have seen the same person say they had the money and were waiting for either camera to come out. I wish I had that kind of money.
    ~Cheers

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  8. Funduro

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    casperwb: Why the heck did you have to mention "300 with a TC"? Now my savings will take a $1,500 hit!

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  9. Funduro

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    casperwb: I <3 you! Just placed the order for the Nikkor 300mm f4 with a Kirk lens collar. Will now have to contact my dealer and tell him forget the 1/2 kilo Bolivian marching powder order.(just kidding)

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    aetas said:
    Now here is my question. Wouldn't the d400 be a crop and d800 be a ff most likely. It kind of seems like two different markets. Are these people just complaining for the sake of it or is there a reason for someone to want both these cameras to come out now.

    I realize "some" people might want to upgrade both at the same time, both formats have advantages but not as many people would do this as I see complaints. So what do you all think?

    Seems like two market segments to me too, aetas. Personally, I wouldn't buy any DX body priced higher than a D7000. I would opt for the lowest-priced FX body instead. I barely have anything invested in DX glass, so, I'm chomping at the bit for an FX body. Others may have a substantial investment in DX glass, and may simply want the best DX body available (higher FPS, etc.). But the D7000 is so well-featured, that market may be waning. Still others like the 1.5x crop factor for its perceived "magnification."

    Since I won't be able to afford two FX bodies, I'll likely become a DX/FX shooter. Using DX when it's convenient, and FX for potential portfolio pieces.

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    Funduro said:
    casperwb: Why the heck did you have to mention "300 with a TC"? Now my savings will take a $1,500 hit!

    smile, I am saving and trying to justify the cost...... good luck to you, go for it if you have the funds, me, I have it on my birthday list......sigh

    300mm + f4 @ TC14 or 17
    add dx........wildlife, here I come

    better than hershys kisses

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  12. aetas

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    Like I said i just got the 700 but when I can afford it I would like to upgrade my second camera which is a d80 to a d400 perhaps. If I can get more low light out of it. So i guess if I had the money I could have wanted both to come out.

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  13. heartyfisher

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    You can get both the D300S and a D700 for approximately the price of a D3S. I think for many that is a much more flexible option. ie having both DX and FX the one lens like the 24-70 becomes 2 different kinds of lenses.

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    "people just complaining for the sake of it?" Yes, yes they are. Wouldn't the d400 be a crop and d800 be a ff most likely. Again I say yes. The D7000 falls short of the D300 in many ways and the D3s/D3x line is much more than so many need. I do believe there are at least two models between the D7000 and the D3 that really have large segments of photographers.

    I'm really on the fence on either body right now. It really depends on the true low light performance- not how high it can go. If one has the D3s low light performance (I could care less about MP) I will buy it. If the d800 turns into a 24mp resolution demon rather than low light, I will be pissed and sell my kidney for a D3s. Or maybe I'll just stop my feet a little. ;0

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    I have a D700 and I am looking forward to a D800 or D4 to get better ISO, a bit more Pixel, better dynamic range and good video. The idea of having both an FX and a DX is surely interesting. If the D800 or the D4 doesn't offer much improvement, then I may go for a D400 second-body. Right now, I am holding on my glass purchases to see what the new bodies will be.

    Who knows, maybe Nikon will come up with game-changing mirror-less that may obsolete many lenses.

    Looks like a year may pass before the new systems really become purchasable so there is plenty of time to build the cash.

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    I bought D90 early last year and am loving it But I'm hoping to upgrade it either late this year or sometime next year if nikon can provide an upgrade similar to what the D7000 did to the D90.

    Hopefully we can get more information in the coming months about these camera bodies...

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    Just went to a local camera store and played around a little with the D700 and D7000. Reports of the viewfinder being a 'night and day' difference between the two was my reasoning for going to check this out but frankly, I just don't see it. Yes, the full frame camera has a larger viewfinder. Only upon looking at these two bodies side by side though was I able to tell...

    I too am still very much on the fence here between DX / FX and would like to buy in the next couple of months...

    Jon

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    Drdobs said:
    The cost is not that much of a factor for me considering the 4-5 years worth of planned use..

    Jon

    If cost is not a problem then why not rent a D7000 and a D700 and compare the difference yourself

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  19. Drdobs

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    Well, I have thought about that but to rent both would probably put me back around $500 for a weekend, maybe more and that just to find out what to buy... I didn't say money was no object, just that when you spread the cost of a body over 4-5 years, the difference between $2000 and $3000 really isn't that much in my eyes...

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    Drdobs said:
    , the difference between $2000 and $3000 really isn't that much in my eyes...

    To take full advantage of the FX format you're going to need some of Nikon FX lens, for example the holy trinity, these tend to be a lot more expensive than their DX prosumer counterparts

    my D90 and 3 lenses cost approx £1,500. The D700 and 3 lenses cost over £5,000

    if you are looking at buget lenes stick with the D7000

    )Putting FX lenes on a DX Camera does not make much sense to me )

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    sevencrossing said:
    To take full advantage of the FX format you're going to need some of Nikon FX lens, for example the holy trinity, these tend to be a lot more expensive than their DX prosumer counterparts

    my D90 and 3 lenses cost approx £1,500. The D700 and 3 lenses cost over £5,000

    if you are looking at buget lenes stick with the D7000

    )Putting FX lenes on a DX Camera does not make much sense to me )

    except you get to use th sweet spot all the time

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    Drdobs said:
    Just went to a local camera store and played around a little with the D700 and D7000. Reports of the viewfinder being a 'night and day' difference between the two was my reasoning for going to check this out but frankly, I just don't see it. Yes, the full frame camera has a larger viewfinder. Only upon looking at these two bodies side by side though was I able to tell...

    I too am still very much on the fence here between DX / FX and would like to buy in the next couple of months...

    Jon

    Would this local camera store allow you to put your own memory cards into each camera and shoot a few pictures so that you could take the cards home and view the images on you own computer? Personally, as much as I read and see on the internet about how much better the IQ of FX is compared to DX I'm a "gotta see it" kind of guy.

    You'd need a secure digital card for the D7000 and a compact flash card for the D700. Buying one or both would be cheaper than renting the cameras. As courtesy to the store you could offer to purchase the card(s) from them if they'd allow you to test the cameras. I would even be so bold as to take something like a live or fake flower in a vase and shoot it. Ask to go to a dimly lit area of the store to shoot at higher ISOs on each camera without flash.

    All of this is from my wacky immagination but I'd definately do it if allowed. My fear is that I'd fall in love with the FX camera after having just bought the D7000 last November.

    Good Luck

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  23. Drdobs

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    @Rx4photo..

    Wow this is a great idea and I hadn't even thought of it. When I asked to look at the two, to my surprise, the salesman grabbed a brand new D7000 and opened it up out of the box right in front of me to try it out. I should have had done what you suggested as I'm sure he would have been find with that...

    The decision to go FX is tough, as I know many others here have suffered through the same spot I'm in... Ideally there would be some kind of photography group in my area perhaps I could get involved with to talk to and see first hand some of these differences... sigh...

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    Rx4Photo said:
    Would this local camera store allow you to put your own memory cards into each camera and shoot a few pictures so that you could take the cards home and view the images on you own computer?

    I do this all the time. Often, I just take my body and try out different lenses on my memory card. Most dealers won't mind at all.

    sevencrossing said:
    To take full advantage of the FX format you're going to need some of Nikon FX lens, for example the holy trinity, these tend to be a lot more expensive than their DX prosumer counterpart.

    I wouldn't agree with that at all. Few shooters need all three f/2.8 zooms. Especially hobbyists. Someone with a new D800 would have loads of fun with just a 24mm f/2.8 and an 85mm f/1.8, and would have all of the benefits of shooting with a larger sensor. If budget isn't a huge issue, a new FX body would be preferred by most.

    Drdobs said:
    The decision to go FX is tough, as I know many others here have suffered through the same spot I'm in... Ideally there would be some kind of photography group in my area perhaps I could get involved with to talk to and see first hand some of these differences... sigh...

    Why tough? You already said that budget isn't your main concern. If you choose an FX body, I think you'll be happy you did. And, since it's a long-term investment, your cadre of FX glass will grow over the years. I own only one of the holy trinity lenses (70-200mm f/2.8 VR I), and I love it, but I also have no want or need for the other two, since I prefer even faster, fixed focal-length lenses.

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    I just tried out the 14-24mm f2.8 at samys on my D90 (I know but i dont own a ff and wanted to see its effect on a dx body)

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