As this topic will start sooner or later, let me be the first one to contribute.
IMHO, if You don't need the bigger body and weather sealing go for d7000 in other cases stick to d300s
D7000 or D300s
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I was about to start it too. ;p
I think the fact that D7000 has full HD video is factor too. Besides the weather sealing and tougher body is yet to be seen on the D700.
I wonder how comparable is the speed of the af motor. I like my D200's speed when using the Nikon 80-200 AF-D, I wonder what' sit gonna look like on the new puppy.
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D300s has more AF points and significantly more cross-type sensors, but...
D7000 has a new, higher res, meter - that might be interesting and might make up for the AF point difference as Nikon is claiming color-based subject tracking has been improved. Hopefully Nikon wouldn't be stupid enough to repeat the D80 meter debacle.
D300s takes your CF cards if you're deeply invested in them. Ditto 10-pin connector users and such.
D300s has commander mode for CLS, didn't see that in D7000 specs, shocked they wouldn't include at least one channel of CLS commander. Perhaps I missed the spec.
Dx00 historically is faster with non-AFS AF focusing. Yet to be seen if the D7000 is Dx0 or Dx00 speed.
D7000 is likely as weather sealed as well as D300s.
Very curious about the in-viewfinder display. Since the viewfinder has the same specs as the D300(s) I would hope all the same info is there.
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In addition to those points:
The top LCD on the D300s still gives you more shooting information. That is a size issue though, since the D300s body is larger.
The D300s can use EN-EL4a or AA batteries to shoot at 8FPS
Has more custom setting banks, which for a semi pro photographer, could be important.
The body of the D300s is also nicer, IMO, just based on the fact that it is larger.
I suspect the D300s motor drive is faster, it just has more space inside the body, so it is likely more powerful. This could be a big deal to people with older AF-D telephoto lenses.
CF cards, and a larger Buffer (17 12bit RAW frames). Those may not sound like a big deal, but if you shoot sports or action sequences it could make a difference.
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PB PM said:
The body of the D300s is also nicer, IMO, just based on the fact that it is larger.While I agree 100% on this point, I was trying to stay objective. ;)
PB PM said:
Has more custom setting banks, which for a semi pro photographer, could be important.I agree 100% with Ken Rockwell here. Nikon's old custom setting banks are broken, dangerous, and therefore nearly worthless. I was hopeful a Canon-style (gasp!) system would be on the D7000.
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PB PM said:
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The top LCD on the D300s still gives you more shooting information. That is a size issue though, since the D300s body is larger.not a big deal IMHO, I've switched from d90 to d300s recently and don't see a problem with the info on d90
The D300s can use EN-EL4a or AA batteries to shoot at 8FPS
that's exactly what I'm curious, have You seen the battery compartment on mb-d11, it looks excactly the same as the one from mb-d10, does it mean it will support D3 batteries? hopefully yes.
as for fps, unless You shoot sport or action there's not a big difference between 6 and 8fps for normal user...
The body of the D300s is also nicer, IMO, just based on the fact that it is larger.size does matter :)
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CF cards, and a larger Buffer (17 12bit RAW frames). Those may not sound like a big deal, but if you shoot sports or action sequences it could make a difference.that's certainly a big deal for all action shooters, one of the reasons I decided to upgrade to d300s - bigger buffer size
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adamz, it will be interesting to see what batteries the MB-D11 will accept, it looks very similar to the MB-D10. Keep in mind that the MB-D10 is deeper, because the D300/s body is bigger. I don't think the size of the body of the D7000 is deep enough for the EN-EL4a to fit. Of course, if dprview is correct the EN-EL15 should be able to take just as many photos as the EN-EL4a, so that might not matter.
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It sounds like people trying to justify their choice more than facts.
Yes, the D7k has multi-channel Commander mode.
Why assume the 3 year old CAM3500 is faster or better than the new CAM4800? It has more processing horsepower, a better sensor to work with, and additional development time.
Same with the new camera's buffer, multi-port memory is a lot cheaper and faster now. They came 100 shot sequences.The D7000, if built on the lessons learned from the D90 and D300(s) ought to be a better performer just because it is newer, has a more powerful faster processor, lower noise higher res sensor etc. If you like the D300, use it, but don't make stuff up to denigrate a more modern application of technology based on guesses and assumptions.
From initial impressions from pros who used it extensively, Nikon has a new winner on its hands. The people who field tested it are not bring up these grasping-at-straws complaints, they are raving about it. If there is any room in the line for a D300 style camera will be determined by how much more if offered in the D300 replacement than exists now. Don't like it, fine, no one expects you to buy it. Nikon will sell millions of them so this is a more important camera for Nikon than the D300 series.Posted 2 years ago # -
In terms of AF speed we were talking about the AF motor, it is almost a given that the D7000 will be less powerful, the space for motor to go into is smaller. It's just using reason, the D3s motor is even more powerful than that found in the D300/D700, because again it is larger. In any case, when I got my D300 there was no such thing as the D7000, well maybe on a Nikon drawing board somewhere...
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PB PM said:
In terms of AF speed we were talking about the AF motor, it is almost a given that the D7000 will be less powerful, the space for motor to go into is smaller. It's just using reason, the D3s motor is even more powerful than that found in the D300/D700, because again it is larger. In any case, when I got my D300 there was no such thing as the D7000, well maybe on a Nikon drawing board somewhere...How about Af-s lenses, are there any differences between speed for different focus systems?
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I still believe it will be iso performance of D7000 that will decide how much worth D300s is really .
Only in-depth review on ISO performance can tell that .right only posted iso3200 picture from d7000 looks very promising .
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karra said:
How about Af-s lenses, are there any differences between speed for different focus systems?AF-S lenses AF just about the same speed on all cameras that I've used. Where the difference comes in is low light conditions, where I suspect the D7000 will be at least as good as the D300s. The D300/s do have more cross type sensors, which does mean it has a slight edge due to better frame coverage. I think it really depends on whether all the cross type sensors are in the middle, like the D300/s or spread out. I'm guessing that the middle 9 points of the D7000 are the cross type ones.
As for ISO performance, I think it is a given that the D7000 will have better performance, considering that the Sony sensors used have already been shown to have 1/2 to 1 stop advantage, the question is, has Nikon been able to improve on that?
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PB PM said:
adamz, it will be interesting to see what batteries the MB-D11 will accept, it looks very similar to the MB-D10. Keep in mind that the MB-D10 is deeper, because the D300/s body is bigger. I don't think the size of the body of the D7000 is deep enough for the EN-EL4a to fit. Of course, if dprview is correct the EN-EL15 should be able to take just as many photos as the EN-EL4a, so that might not matter.it's big enough to handle 8 AA batteries, so EN-EL4a shouldn't be a problem, at least from this what I see when I compare this two on MB-D10
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it holds 6 aa's not 8
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+1 with AM-ExPat.
Some of you babies even said, "you're wrong Niko Doby the D7000 can't possible be better than the D300! That's impossible because the D7000 won't have enough external buttons for serious pro work! You're not my friend and I'm not talking to you anymore!"
Seriously that's how childish some of you are on this forum are when this subject came up in the past!
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Some people just take this all way too seriously. Its a camera. Buy one - take pictures. Leave the name calling to the actual children and let the mods just moderate.
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^
How dare you bring common sense here!
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Yeah I guess I should clean this thread up. Not to CENSURE anyone but because it's obviously going to start getting ugly like the last D300 vs D90 replacement thread.
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My d40 is better than the d7k
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my FM2 is better. no batteries, and full frame...
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I just think the D7000 opens the salvo of a new phase in Nikon progress - the new line of Dx000 overtaking the progress of the current Dx00 line (so expect some bigger development ahead in the Dx00 line?)....just like when the D300 overtook the flagship D2 (while the D3 opened up new territories)
AF-D performance depends on both the power of the screwdrive motor (which may be the advantage of the D300S?) & how much light the sensor is gathering affecting focus speed (possible a D7000 advantage?)...
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uyauabing said:
AF-D performance depends on both the power of the screwdrive motor (which may be the advantage of the D300S?) & how much light the sensor is gathering affecting focus speed (possible a D7000 advantage?)...The sensor is sleeping behind the mirror and the shutter, not gathering any light during AF.
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Im gonna go out on a limb here and say i think the D7000 should be able to focus AF-d lenses just as fast as the D300 or maybe faster. I dont think that body size has anything to do with it. its not like they are packing a chevy 350 in there, and i would think the size of the D300 is more about ergonomics rather than room under the hood for a massive AF engine.
the AF system in the d70/d80/d90 was just a lesser system in every way. Less AF points, less pixels on the matrix meter to aid in tracking color, they probably went with a cheaper motor as well.
the CAM 4800 is brand spanking new and Nikon knows this is going to set the standard for thier new AF systems and it had to perform. I dont see any reason that makes any sence that nikon would deliberatly put a weaker motor in it. And if room is a concern, im sure in the past 5 years they have managed to develop a motor smaller than the one in the Cam 3500 that is a lot more powerful, but i would suspect they put one in to match.
My buddy has a D700, he was over the other day and i put my 105 AF-d 2.8 on it which is one of the slowest focusing lenses ive ever seen. I put the cap on and focused a whole round trip from 0 to infinity back to 0, and then put it on my D90 and the difference in speed if any was very minor. However, popping from an object 8 feet away to 20 feet away, it clearly was faster. I think it might be less about the motor and more about the soophistication of the AF program as a whole.
Either way, i pre-ordered within 20-30 minutes of when pre-order was available the night of the release, i cant wait for it to come in, ill do some extenxive side by side tests to my D90, i also plan to do some side by side tests with my buddies D700
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For me the larger body means more direct controls and less time digging through menus. However, the HD video sounds very appealing as does the lesser price of the D7000. I'll have to wait and see exactly what controls are on the D7000 before purchasing either one.
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My way of handling this question is to buy the D7000 when it is available to me as the reviews and my tracking of all of this say it is right for me. Of my D90, D300 and D700 I use the D300 the most. It balances my lenses well and I like the features. DX does have some advantages over FX for me. My D700 with a big wide angle on it is large. It requires a different pack to carry it etc. I also do not have a tele that I like as well on the D700 as the 70-300VR is my favorite field lens for tele and i often find myself at 300 on DX and on FX it is often back to the crop situation. I don't own a 300s but as I have seen the work from it I feel it is a tremendously important camera. I see way more D300s in the field than D700 which is curiously absent where I shoot. I will predict that the D7000 will be cropping up darn near everywhere. That is good for Nikon to be sure and for us as enthusiasts. I also am sure that we using NR site are quite anxious to see a D300s update after this D7000 is available. The price though of these long awaited D300s and D700 replacements (with HD video etc.) will come at a price that will ensure the D7000 commands a pretty good chunk of Nikon's sales in DSLR. I think the D300s replacement and the D700 replacement will be priced out of my range for some time. I think that is precisely why Nikon released these DSLR cameras in the order they did. Full time pros with good enough budgets have the D3s or D3x and just use them until something better comes along.
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my new d300s just arrived.
i have a d700 with grip and l plate.
all menus have been set up exactly the same. buttons are in the same place.
has video (handy sometimes)
has dual card slot (probably handy too, but i got a 32gb extreme to go with my 16gb, so not exactly essential).
did i say it shoots exactly the same as my d700, shutter sounds different and shoots 7fps without grip, otherwise same.
i now have everything covered until the 35 1.4 comes out, then it's covered down to 35mm.
i have 105 micro
70-200 vr ii
50 1.4
300 2.8
tc-20eiiithe number of combinations i can now achieve is staggering.
if you have good glass and a d700, this is a no brainer.
if you have a d90 and dx glass, then i would probably go with the d7000, though i can't say.
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