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NikoDoby

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The canon 60D just got announced and it's basically a plastic 7D with a hi-rez 1040k dot 3.0" LCD swivel screen! It has a MSRP of $1099 (body only $1399 kit) so it's cheaper than the body only 50D MSRP of $1299 at introduction. Anyone see a similarity in that pricing versus the D90 and "D7000"?

Interesting that canon has dropped the all metal body on the 50D replacement in favor of plastic. Whereas Nikon is rumored to be putting a metal body on the replacement of the "plastic" D90. Switching to a plastic body has saved the canon 60D a whooping 8% in weight *rolling eyes*. So I guess that means the D7000 will be 8% heavier than the D90 :^)

OR should we now consider this 60D competition for the D5000 replacement? Interesting how Nikon's and canon's lineup is changing. Exciting stuff indeed :^)

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Not sure what its competitor is -- with a MSRP of $1099 body-only, it makes you wonder what the D7000 will launch at.

Overall, this photo-only-not-interested-in-video Nikon fanboy wasn't really impressed with the 60D. It certainly delivers video features a lot of folks are clamoring for. The wireless commander mode is nice. Half of the in-camera editing features seem interesting, the other half seems cool but a little hokey. Didn't see anything in regards to GPS or AF micro adjustment. Listed ISO specs didn't set me on fire.

I'm sure this camera will be a nice upgrade for current 40D owners or first time enthusiasts, but nothing here to make me switch. I love competition though and can't wait to see Nikon's response.

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NikoDoby

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That swivel screen is very nice though. The highest rez screen to date AND it swivels!

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Yeah, high res screen looks to be quite nice, but I'm not an articulated guy, but for those that need it -- great. Looks like the folks over at the canon site are very underwhelmed; no af micro adjust, and the 7D is only a few hundred more. It appears as though the D7000 leaked specs have set certain expectations for the 60D.

I guess Nikon owners aren't the only whiners. :)

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NikoDoby

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LOL actually Nikon "users" never complain they just use the cameras the have :^)

But yes the D7000 is going to be an amazing camera.

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NikoDoby said:

But yes the D7000 is going to be an amazing camera.

Yes it will! The d90 was one of my favorites. And was and still will be a amazing camera

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Interesting move by Canon, it is basically a rebel with a xxD style body. Smart move in some ways, push the demanding hobbyists and semi-pros to the 7D, but give the Rebel users something to move up to, that is in a consumer friendly price range. Kind of funny that it is the opposite of what Nikon is thought to be doing with the D90 replacement, as Niko pointed out.

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This 60D announcement from Canon -- along with the recent D3100 announcement -- makes things really, really interesting. What will happen to the D5000? I can't see Nikon slotting a new D5100 between the D3100 and the soon-to-be-announced D7000.

And then there's the name change from D90 -> D7000. Does anyone sense how this is sussing out? Nikon releases an absolutely rock solid entry level D3100, lets the D5000 quietly die, D7000 replaces the D90 with a moderate bump to image specs but adds decidedly semi-pro body features... where does Nikon's DXX line stand now?

I completely agree with PB PM, Nikon seems to be moving in the opposite direction of Canon. I sense Nikon consolidating, and Canon covering a spread between consumer/prosumer with an additional model.

Cruising various forums, reaction from Canon users to the 60D appears to be overwhelmingly negative.

I was in a tough position 4 months ago. Last year I had to sell my D80. This May, I had saved enough money to buy another DSLR, and since I was not invested in glass I had given Canon a serious look. I loved my D80 and the ergonomics, I generally dislike Canon's menus/UI but the higher specs of the 50D/7D were very tempting. I chose the D90 knowing that in a few months a D90 replacement would be announced.

I've been thrilled with my D90, and I'm sure if i had gone with the 50D I would've been happy as well. But if I had gone Canon 50D, the 60D offers nothing that would've made me want to buy it... in fact, there seem to be too many features stripped out.

Is it just me, or does Canon seem more 'market focus group' oriented than Nikon? I can see Canon becoming bifurcated with an eye on high end 1D Mk line, and the other eye cramming as much video features into an entry level DSLR as possible.

How the !@$# do you remove the af point selector joystick but keep the quick print button on an $1100 body-only DSLR? Are consumers so fixated on getting HD 60fps that they don't care if it's only 5fps with no af selector joystick? I just don't get some of the decisions with the 60D.

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It is one confused little camera, IMO. I took a look at Canon Rumors website last night, at least a dozen people were saying they would switch to the D7000 if it comes out as spec'd as a result of what Canon did with the 60D.

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Yeah, really odd choice with the 60d, especially at that price point.

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Not impressed here. Just another piece of plastic crap by Fisher Price, errrr Canon. Certainly nothing that would entice me to jump ship from Nikon.

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They say the grass is greener on the other side, but it's looking a tad parched at the moment.

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Well,I'm not a Canon or Nikon Fanboi :) Even,though I shoot with my D90 (use Canon Pns ).

those who have rebel and got lots of canon lenses ,then this looks like a good choice if they need video .

50D users will need to Move 7D route in order to upgrade .Canon looks dumb ,but they are quite smart too .
though I agree they shouldn't have called it 60D :|.

New 8-15mm Fish eye from canon looks amazing though :)

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enesunkie

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The 60D has a new creative filter called "Toy Camera". That's too appropriate!

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aslightdelay

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Oh. So they're going after the hipster/lomo fanboy market. Any word on whether this will be the first camera with ironic facial hair?

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jonnyapple

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You're nuts, ASD.

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aslightdelay

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Not at all. Think of the possibilities! They could branch out into Photoshop plugins, too... have one that frames every shot in clove cigarette smoke.

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haha, I love it! Canon seems to announce two cameras for every one of Nikon's, but it's starting to look like that's really not the way to do it. The D7000 and 700 replacement (PAH-LEASE come before next summer!) will do more than hold their own against the two or three Canon competitors they're matched against.

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has nikon announced release date of d90 replacement?

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PB PM

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No announcements from Nikon yet, they never announce a product before it is released. The latest speculation points to a release on the 15th of September, which means it would become available in mid-late October.

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Man....It looks like the Canon folks are ready to riot in the streets in response to the specs of the new 60D.

As a long time Nikon shooter,(Label me fanboy if you must)I rarely read the Canon forums....so I'm mostly used to Nikon shooters who seem to use their cameras for door stops saying...."If Nikon doesn't do this"...."If Nikon doesn't add this" yada,yada, then I'm jumping ship for Canon.

It's ironic that Canon has inadvertently caused so many of their fanboys to yell that they are jumping ship for the yet unannounced and unreleased Nikon D7000!

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NikoDoby

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You know I just don't understand those who say it's "stupid" for canon to have both the 7D and the 60D with pretty much the same features,except for a few different controls and a metal instead of plastic body. "Why would you NOT go for the 7D for only a few hundred more?", they say. Well that's what Nikon's doing for years with the D70series and D100 series. However now that the D90 and D300 "might" merge into one badazz MotherF'er people start saying THAT would be "stupid". I don't get it.

Why is it "stupid" for canon to have two similarly equipped "semi-pro" cameras around the same price. But the D90 is Nikon's "greatest" camera and a better "deal" than the D300?

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Niko, they are Canon fanboys, nothing they do makes sense. Mind you, the same can be said for Nikon fanboys. Anyway, each camera user has a different set of needs/desires in a camera. For some it is a D90, for others it is a D300. For some it is a camera like the 50D, while others it is a Rebel. Point is, most of the users who are wanting to jump ship are previous xxD users, who don't want a body as big as the 7D, but still want the tougher body. At the end of the day that is what it comes down to, from most of the comments that I have seen.

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NikoDoby said:
You know I just don't understand those who say it's "stupid" for canon to have both the 7D and the 60D with pretty much the same features,except for a few different controls and a metal instead of plastic body. "Why would you NOT go for the 7D for only a few hundred more?", they say. Well that's what Nikon's doing for years with the D70series and D100 series. However now that the D90 and D300 "might" merge into one badazz MotherF'er people start saying THAT would be "stupid". I don't get it.

Why is it "stupid" for canon to have two similarly equipped "semi-pro" cameras around the same price. But the D90 is Nikon's "greatest" camera and a better "deal" than the D300?

It's stupid because of expectations and perception.

Let's suppose the D90 replacement had been called the D95. One could reasonably expect a modest bump in specs considering it was a newer camera and and was in the DXX family. If Nikon had simply upped the mp to 16mp, added some questionable features, didn't add some were looking forward to and dropped some key features, there would be a lot of people calling for Nikon's head. That's what's happening to Canon right now.

The 60D is ostensibly the successor to the 50D, but it's hard to consider it such looking at the specs. There's a modest mp bump and not a whole lot more. Some 'lateral' upgrades, some missing features, and some features dropped altogether. So it doesn't feel like a true successor to the 50D but instead is perceived as a 'Super Rebel.'

Canon may have been wise to go the Nikon route of managing expectations -- don't name it a 60D; that infers that it's a successor/replacement body.

With the naming of the D7000, Nikon managed user expectations a lot more than by calling it a D95 or D90S or something that tied it much more closely to the D90.

I don't necessarily agree 100% with the reception of the 60D, but this is how I interpret it. I can see why users wouldn't be thrilled with the announcement.

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swartzfeger said:
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Let's suppose the D90 replacement had been called the D95. One could reasonably expect a modest bump in specs considering it was a newer camera and and was in the DXX family. If Nikon had simply upped the mp to 16mp, added some questionable features, didn't add some were looking forward to and dropped some key features, there would be a lot of people calling for Nikon's head. That's what's happening to Canon right now.

The 60D is ostensibly the successor to the 50D, but it's hard to consider it such looking at the specs. There's a modest mp bump and not a whole lot more. Some 'lateral' upgrades, some missing features, and some features dropped altogether. So it doesn't feel like a true successor to the 50D but instead is perceived as a 'Super Rebel.'
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but don't You think it's our (customers) fault. we expect don't know what. I'm not agains progress, but it has to be made in a good way. and for me, this what happens right now on the digital camera market is unhealthy. there's too much new cameras on the market. the prices are dropping too fast right now - I know that companies are trying to get new customers, but I think they have crossed the thin line between new customers acquisition and price drop of cameras that are already on the market

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